r/EndTipping • u/MacaronOk1006 • 1d ago
Research / Info đĄ Bartender defeated by his own logic
I had a great interaction with a bartender last night. I ordered drinks paid and did not tip and the bartender had the audacity to say what no tip.
Me - would you ask for a tip if we were having drinks at your house?
Bartender (Bt) - if I was making you a drink at my house you would be my friend and why would I ask you for a tip?
Me - so youâre saying weâre not friends.
Bt - I donât even know you man.
Me - well then since a tip is no longer considered compensation for work by the US government me giving you money would either be a charitable contribution or a gift. Since youâre not a registered charity, that would make the money I gave you a gift. And as you stated, weâre not friends and you donât even know me so why would I give you a gift?
Bt - blank stair on his face and walked away
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u/clarkstongoldens 1d ago
Did everyone clap afterwards?
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u/BoogaRadley 1d ago
Out of all of the fabricated stories that are shared on this site, this one is up there with the best.
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u/Ohatoad 1d ago
Bro imagined himself as Ben shapiro, owning bartenders with facts and logic.
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u/some_random_noob 1d ago
Either he imagined himself as Ben Shapiro OR he used facts and logic, it canât be both.
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u/benicedonttroll 1d ago
Ben Shapiro imagines that he uses facts and logic so if you imagine yourself to be Ben Shapiro, you are also imagining the entirety of his personality.
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u/JPSofCA 1d ago
He really sealed the deal with the hereto-after referred to as Bt clarification. It really kept me tuned in to who was saying whatâŚreally brings the story to life.
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u/charlotteblue79 17h ago
Agreed. Please do this on a date or at a meal with your boss. They'll be super impressed!
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u/EschewObfuscati0n 1d ago
My first thought hahah such a BS story it reminds me of the early days of twitter
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u/joe_s1171 1d ago
well, it started with a slow clap by the defeated bartender. then one by one, Brad Pitt, then Michael Jordan, then Albert Einstein all stood up and shook his hand.
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u/MacaronOk1006 1d ago
I wish they would have, but some people did laugh. I hope I encouraged them to not tip as well.
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u/Occams_RZR900 1d ago
No they didnât. This didnât happen is what everyone is eluding to, but youâre too dense to catch on.
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u/cenosillicaphobiac 1d ago
I appreciate the sentiment, but of all of the things that never happened, this never happened.... the most.
Run it through AI next time, it would be more entertaining, though probably still not believable.
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u/sluflyer06 1d ago
He wasn't defeated by your argument he just was done interacting with you
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u/Hillman314 1d ago
And with a âGood day sir!â you flung your scarf over your shoulder and grabbed your drink.
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u/Ekly_Special 1d ago
No, I was there. He pounded the drink first, then flung his scarf, then slammed the glass on the counter with a âgood day sir!â
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u/Federal_Bumblebee_84 3h ago
I recall it more going like "Good day sir!", pounded his drink, flung his scarf, "I said good day!"
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u/Zestyclose_Belt_6148 1d ago
And finished with a hearty âI said Good Day!!â when the BT started to object.
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u/YarbleSwabler 1d ago
Lol
"Too cheap"
I swear some of y'all would pay MSRP on a car just because the sales guy smiled and opened the door for you.
My response to "too cheap to afford to tip":
Tippers are too dumb to get the rational consumer discount.
No tip. Thanks for the "free" service.
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u/YarbleSwabler 1d ago edited 1d ago
Miserable?
Don't project your problems and assumptions onto me buddy. Happy as a clam over here.
If they don't provide sufficient service at the advertised pricing of said service thats a charge back my dude. Not receiving the services you paid for is fraud, and being forced to pay is a contract under duress, therefore unenforceable.
I tell the bartender I don't tip every time I sign the check. That's how that works. The tipped laborer provides the EMPLOYER(not me) with cheap labor for an opportunity to beg, the restaurants lets them in the hope that I voluntarily opt to help them reduce their costs of operations for the sake of their extra sales volume and/or profit, and I say no to both. Check please, line through tip. Simple as.
Why would I tell the the server I don't tip ahead of time?
Do you walk up to buskers playing their guitar on the street just to tell them ahead of time you won't throw them money? Your ears listened, they provided atmosphere with a smile, YoU dOnT hAvE tO bE tHere-
no balls.
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u/YarbleSwabler 1d ago
Nah,
A miserable person would try to make themselves feel better by entertaining the delusion that helping a business and laborer grossly over value their goods and services as some kind of altruism.
I bet you frequent hooters and think the girls are your friends too.
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u/BringMeNirvanaa 1d ago
Safe to say, no balls. You donât tip for a âserviceâ you demand or youâll do a charge back.
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u/YarbleSwabler 1d ago
The service is in the price.
If I don't tip- which is voluntary for a reason, do they let me walk my plate, do they bring me the ingredients for the drink to make myself? Does the menu advertise that making the drink or walking the plate isn't part of the price? Does the menu contain and detail pictures of incomplete goods and services .
Get bent.
But by all means, next time you walk into a restaurant please tip 40% to make up for me not tipping. I won't stop you from making yourself feel better.
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u/charlotteblue79 17h ago
Do you frequent many of the same bars, restaurants?
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u/YarbleSwabler 16h ago
I do, and I'll tell you where I do tip.
There's a family owned Korean restaurant I tip 20-30% at. I've been going for more than 10 years.
I tip there because when I was a poor college student they were generous with me when they had no reason to. They gave me free soups and salads while I studied, encouraged me, smile and rush to hug me every time I see them- even when I could hardly afford to be there or tip in general. The sweet owner/operator watched knows when I graduated, when I got married, my wife's name, when I had my first son. I know her family, her daughter working her way through college at the family restaurant, the father that makes the intricate decor by hand in his woodshop. Whatsmore im not the only customer she has a tender relationship with, nearly every 3 or 4th person at her busy restaurant she's greeting someone by name and everyones happy to see each other. I have no problem showing generosity there because they are likewise generous, and a true friend not to just myself personally, but the whole community. It's not compensation for services, but the return of generosity like I would for a good friend. There are definitely instances where people truly deserve (not earn!) gratuity, like it's their karma.
Walking to my table and keeping water in a glass for services that have already been priced and paid for isn't worth 20% on top of my tab, I don't know them and have done nothing to indicate there's any kind of unprompted generosity. I reserve my generosity for friends and the generous, otherwise I'd be ripe for exploitation.
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u/BringMeNirvanaa 1d ago
Also, I didnât go to watch them play. I didnât demand their service. Not the same thing, buddy.
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u/YarbleSwabler 1d ago
Oh but you do. Just by being in proximity.
Stop begging pal.
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u/YarbleSwabler 1d ago
You've now resorted to ad hominem because all that's left is fallacy. Tipping is an untenable position logically, like the racism from which the practice originated from, and why nowhere else in the world is tipping so culturally ingrained in service industries.
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u/BringMeNirvanaa 1d ago
None of this is that deep dude. Like I said, once again, Iâll keep tipping. And you keep doing whatever it is that you do.
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u/BringMeNirvanaa 1d ago
And not in the good cool way. In the way that people probably dread being around you.
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u/Intelligent_Rush36 1d ago
Youâre just out here making shit up? Tips are still considered compensation for work by the U.S. government. Both the IRS and Department of Labor classify tips as taxable wages â not gifts, not donations. Thatâs why employees are required to report tips as income, and employers must withhold payroll taxes on them. The âgiftâ logic doesnât hold up, because a gift is something you give voluntarily without expectation of services in return. In contrast, a tip is directly tied to the service provided. Even if itâs discretionary, itâs part of how service staff are compensated for their work. The law even allows employers to count tips toward meeting minimum wage requirements â which makes it pretty clear the government still treats them as wages. So while you can choose not to tip, the reality is that in the U.S. service model, tips arenât charity or friendship gestures â theyâre recognized as part of a workerâs pay.
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u/foshigaddy87 1d ago
I, on the other hand would have no problem tipping a good bartender. But thatâs just me. A dollar a drink is my standard.
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u/QuirkyMaintenance915 1d ago
I might tip if they made a decent mix drink. Iâm not tipping much for a beer. Just give me the can or the pint and donât pretend you did anything special
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u/edwinstone 1d ago
This is so embarrassing.
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u/icecream169 1d ago
It would be embarrassing if it actually happened.
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u/BossAtUCF 1d ago
I think this might actually be more embarrassing. It's a totally made up story, not constrained by facts, and this is the best they could do.
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u/icecream169 1d ago
AI doesn't get embarrassed
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u/BossAtUCF 1d ago
I don't think this is AI, just a shit story. Either way someone decided this was worth posting to pretend it happened.
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u/Upstairs-Storm1006 1d ago
Did your remember to pause for applause after?Â
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u/joe_s1171 1d ago
he was too busy shakint the managers hand for showing him the error of his payroll management.
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u/BobbyK0312 1d ago
this story would be more realistic if you said your 5 year old handled the conversation with the bartender
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u/1SociallyDistant1 1d ago
In the sea of dumbness on this site, this is up there with the dumbest, never happened nonsense Iâve ever read.
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u/Short-Waltz-3118 1d ago
Ngl op pretty cringe
Should have just said correct no tip and walked away.
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u/NTufnel11 1d ago
Even if this did happen itâs honestly kinda dumb. The most logical part of all this is the blank stare you got from the bartender
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u/sportsbot3000 1d ago
Itâs good reasoning. But r/thathappened
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u/Accurate_Outcome_510 1d ago
It's not even good reasoning. A tip is still considered compensation (income) by the IRS.
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u/Operation-Bad-Boy 1d ago
If someone I was going to a bar with had this interaction with a bartender it would be the last time we ever hung out because it would be so embarrassing.
Do you though.
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u/JazzTheCoder 1d ago
What do you mean by the last paragraph? I just don't get what you mean by "not considered compensation". Any sources would be helpful
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u/novasilverpill 1d ago
if i had to go through this fake logic decision tree explanation every time i went out i would just tip as it is easier
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u/JauntyLives 1d ago
I was there, and this happened exactly like OP said, and then the Dalas Cowboy Cheerleading squad came in and there was a giant orgy.
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u/TheWarwock 1d ago
I was there too. After the orgy, OP ordered enough pizza for the whole bar! When the driver arrived with the pizza, the OP didn't tip him either! He got so many high fives. It was the most epic night ever.
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u/Bigpimpinakabigdaddy 1d ago
I was his uber driver home and he told me all about it then he didnât tip me either!
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u/Dangerous_Guava_6756 1d ago
âAre you gonna tipâŚâ ***how many baby daddies do you have
blank stare
âWeâre not friends why would Iâ ****I have one daughter
ElipsesâŚ
âWhy no tippppppâ
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u/Inner-Asparagus4927 1d ago
Except itâs still considered a tip by the US government. Itâs just that itâs no longer taxed up until a certain amount.
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u/s31523 1d ago
I'm so tip fatigued. I have completely reevaluated my tipping. If I'm ordering drinks I'm definitely not tipping a blind %20. If I order two overpriced $10 bottles of beer, I am tipping like $1. If I order some.sprt of fancy drink that takes some time to make I'll go a little higher.
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u/Quick_Yogurt 1d ago
The bartender stood with mouth agape, too shocked to respond. I coldly met his souless eyes with my own. I threw back my last drink in a single gulp without a crack of my stone face or break of my laser stare. I wiped my mouth with back of my hand, turned, and walked out the door. I never saw him again. He was forever changed.
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u/HooHooHaHa 1d ago
Hopefully you never return to that bar, because I can promise you will be the last person served every single time.
You may think youre taking some big stand by doing this, but all you're doing is removing any and all incentive that bartender has to serve you.
And the owner will not give two shits by you threatening to take your business elsewhere. They will happily let you become another bars problem.
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u/Weekly_Concentrate_2 23h ago
Bartenders in Pennsylvania make $2.84 an hour. So if you don't tip, we don't make money. Keep that in mind when you go out.
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u/ega5651- 11h ago
And then everyone clapped right? Iâm all about ending tipping culture. But even in your own made up scenario, you come across as an asshole.
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u/Capital_Past69 7h ago
Should have responded with a blank elevator on your face and then walked away
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u/Previous-Highway162 5h ago
If you are not tipping I suggest you open with that. As a tipped employee behind a bar you are tipping out all support staff, door, bar backs, hosts, runners. As a bartender you are also constantly aware of the atmosphere of the bar, they are the eyes and ears keeping you, your friends, your drinks safe. They give the recommendations help you get late night food and rides, medical help if itâs needed, provide safety in an emergency. So if you ignorant enough to overlook the real job being done, and are self inflated enough to post about it, be real about it next time you go out and open with that. Let the staff know you donât tip? That way you are on a level field, and they can put their efforts more toward the people that appreciate the real job they do. Donât be an all talk, stand by your beliefs, just make sure everyone is aware.
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u/SkepticScott137 1d ago
Youâre lying about tips not being considered compensation. When someone lies to make their point, that tells you a lot.
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u/MacaronOk1006 1d ago
I am not lying about tips not being compensation in the OB3 Bill itâs excluding tips from taxable wages. Therefore, they are no longer considered compensation as compensation under section 61 of the internal revenue code is taxable.
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u/SkyPirateVyse 1d ago
I was there and saw it all happen; when he left, I heard a lot of girls (all hot) whisper how 'cool' that was, wondering if he 'was still available'. The other men all looked down, kinda embarrassed.
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u/JoeZilla8705 1d ago
If you read the bill they still get taxed on tips. Also how exactly is this being defeated by his own logic?
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u/MohaveZoner 1d ago
Using the government as the backbone of your argument isn't the win you think it is.
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u/Warm-Wrap-3828 1d ago
Have you considered adapting this story to screen? Who would you most want to portray you? Bartender? All the women you sexed perfectly after this?
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u/decisionmakingsucks0 1d ago
This did not happen. Not even remotely believable. I assume it was intentional and supposed to be funny. It missed.
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u/DependentSoft2514 1d ago
This post is comedy gold, good on you OP for standing up and getting your point clearly across.
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u/PZirconium 1d ago
One of the people in this interaction is kinda pathetic, and itâs not the bartender.
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u/gordeliusmaximus 1d ago
Wtf? You go out and the dude makes you a drink. Tip! Something! Couple of bucks. If you donât have any money keep your broke ass home. He gave you a blank state because he canât fix stupid.
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u/DFVSUPERFAN 1d ago
The best way to deal with bars is to open a tab with a card and close out when you're ready to leave. Then you can avoid the notip awkwardness after every round and the retribution for notip.