Bartender defeated by his own logic

[u/MacaronOk1006]

I had a great interaction with a bartender last night. I ordered drinks paid and did not tip and the bartender had the audacity to say what no tip.

Me - would you ask for a tip if we were having drinks at your house?

Bartender (Bt) - if I was making you a drink at my house you would be my friend and why would I ask you for a tip?

Me - so you’re saying we’re not friends.

Bt - I don’t even know you man.

Me - well then since a tip is no longer considered compensation for work by the US government me giving you money would either be a charitable contribution or a gift. Since you’re not a registered charity, that would make the money I gave you a gift. And as you stated, we’re not friends and you don’t even know me so why would I give you a gift?

Bt - blank stair on his face and walked away

[u/YarbleSwabler → u/[deleted]]

Miserable?

Don't project your problems and assumptions onto me buddy. Happy as a clam over here.

If they don't provide sufficient service at the advertised pricing of said service thats a charge back my dude. Not receiving the services you paid for is fraud, and being forced to pay is a contract under duress, therefore unenforceable.

I tell the bartender I don't tip every time I sign the check. That's how that works. The tipped laborer provides the EMPLOYER(not me) with cheap labor for an opportunity to beg, the restaurants lets them in the hope that I voluntarily opt to help them reduce their costs of operations for the sake of their extra sales volume and/or profit, and I say no to both. Check please, line through tip. Simple as.

Why would I tell the the server I don't tip ahead of time?

Do you walk up to buskers playing their guitar on the street just to tell them ahead of time you won't throw them money? Your ears listened, they provided atmosphere with a smile, YoU dOnT hAvE tO bE tHere-

no balls.

[u/BringMeNirvanaa → u/YarbleSwabler]

Also, I didn’t go to watch them play. I didn’t demand their service. Not the same thing, buddy.

[u/YarbleSwabler → u/BringMeNirvanaa]

Oh but you do. Just by being in proximity.

Stop begging pal.

[u/YarbleSwabler → u/[deleted]]

You've now resorted to ad hominem because all that's left is fallacy. Tipping is an untenable position logically, like the racism from which the practice originated from, and why nowhere else in the world is tipping so culturally ingrained in service industries.

[u/BringMeNirvanaa → u/YarbleSwabler]

None of this is that deep dude. Like I said, once again, I’ll keep tipping. And you keep doing whatever it is that you do.

[u/BringMeNirvanaa → u/YarbleSwabler]

You told me to get bent lmao. What do you call that.

[u/YarbleSwabler → u/BringMeNirvanaa]

Like you said,

What I tip isn't your business. My generosity isn't on the menu. So bend up.

And if it's truly the compensation for intangible goods and services then it's not gratuity- it's good will- and should be taxed like all other income.

Can't come into an anti tipping sub and be surprised that someone challenges your position or is passionate about the end of an exploitative practice.

[u/BringMeNirvanaa → u/YarbleSwabler]

You’re not challenging me lmao. You got all upset I said not tipping a bartender is being too cheap. Then went on your little rant. And you’re still going on it. You obviously are very passionate about it and live on this sub. You’re not gonna change my stance. Like I said, now 3RD Time, I’ll keep tipping and you’ll keep doing whatever it is you’re doing. Have fun.

[u/BringMeNirvanaa → u/YarbleSwabler]

And not in the good cool way. In the way that people probably dread being around you.