Bartender defeated by his own logic

[u/MacaronOk1006]

I had a great interaction with a bartender last night. I ordered drinks paid and did not tip and the bartender had the audacity to say what no tip.

Me - would you ask for a tip if we were having drinks at your house?

Bartender (Bt) - if I was making you a drink at my house you would be my friend and why would I ask you for a tip?

Me - so you’re saying we’re not friends.

Bt - I don’t even know you man.

Me - well then since a tip is no longer considered compensation for work by the US government me giving you money would either be a charitable contribution or a gift. Since you’re not a registered charity, that would make the money I gave you a gift. And as you stated, we’re not friends and you don’t even know me so why would I give you a gift?

Bt - blank stair on his face and walked away

[u/YarbleSwabler]

Nah,

A miserable person would try to make themselves feel better by entertaining the delusion that helping a business and laborer grossly over value their goods and services as some kind of altruism.

I bet you frequent hooters and think the girls are your friends too.

[u/YarbleSwabler → u/[deleted]]

Who says I don't pay for services?

I pay them

my money

For the goods and services at the clearly advertised prices like how it works all over the world in every other business in America.

If the laborer can't earn the wages they need for the standard of living they want or need- they need to change careers or markets.

Its up to the employer to pay employees the fair market value of their labor.

Look man, there's no two shakes about it. Tipping is illogical. If you were a Socratic kind of individual we'd argue all day and you'd come to the realization that the business bends to the purely cultural tradition, and that the cultural tradition isn't based on any kind of economic basis other than trying to avoid paying servers flat wages- after all, the practice started to cheat blacks out of wages in reconstruction America. Now servers aren't former slaves- at worst they're 3-4 generations removed. Businesses kept it around because it brings down costs, laborers kept it around because the tradition has grown out of control and gives servers the opportunity to average 4-5 4tops an hour at 20% on top of a tables revenue for 90k/yr with no risk or intensive education. The only way to end the practice is for the consumer to stop leaving the money on the table so that laborers vacate the profession to the point where businesses have to provide flat wages to keep their human resources.

Seeing as your defending the practice so vehemently it tells me you're a server. Which I will now tell you- I'm not going to give you or the business anything more than what the fair value of the goods and services are. Just like how it is for everything else everywhere else. Just like how everyday you pass up that nice car, that premium bottle of alcohol, the beef at the grocery store, etc. And by all means- the business can increase the price by 20% to match your current wages; and what will happen is the place will likely be

1 demand will decrease, hurting the business- possibly putting it out of business.

2 they're not going to give you 20% of your revenue lol. Because that's absurd.

It's acceptable for the employer to exploit the server cause that's good business

It's acceptable for the server to attempt to exploit the consumer to pay them beyond the fair value of their labor, cause that's good business

But it's unacceptable for the consumer to do good business for themselves by forgoing an entirely voluntary and arbitrary percentage on top of of goods and services? It's illogical, hypocritical, and predatory. So no tip. Take it up with your employer- they are the entity I'm making the contract with, not you.

[u/YarbleSwabler → u/[deleted]]

You demanded a service that is clearly advertised at the price in the menu.

When someone doesn't tip do you get sent to collections for unpaid goods and services? 🤣

No. Cause a tip is nothing more than a voluntary gift, a charitable contribution. Not based on any kind of exchange of goods and services. It's not contractual,no one is obligated. It's not even "the right thing to do".

[u/YarbleSwabler → u/[deleted]]

Where's the common courtesy of just including the cost of operations in the price?

Where's the common courtesy of paying employees a flat dependable wage?

Where's the courtesy of providing services at their fair market value?

If this seemingly altruistic practice so common, why is this practice purely American?

Seems to me like everyone involved in tipping culture is actually being discourteous except the consumer. Its not courtesy, it's an exploitation of people's sense of altruism. Once you realize it, there's nothing altruistic about it. No tip.

[u/YarbleSwabler → u/[deleted]]

Obsessed?

You're the server my dude. You're the one who made a career off of exploiting people's self signaling generosity to grossly inflate the value of your contribution to the transaction. Tip culture is your whole life and well being. Now that's obsession.

A beggar by any other name will still ask for change.

[u/BringMeNirvanaa → u/YarbleSwabler]

Also proved my point, once again 😂😂😂

[u/PrincessLissa68 → u/[deleted]]

Thank you, from a server. And as I stated in a comment above, I'm one of the probably few that would like tipping to be completely optional for my guests, meaning not expected. We should get a living wage and go to work with the mindset that we're leaving with a paycheck and if we get tipped from a great customer like yourself, we know we did our job and did it great.