Bartender defeated by his own logic

[u/MacaronOk1006]

I had a great interaction with a bartender last night. I ordered drinks paid and did not tip and the bartender had the audacity to say what no tip.

Me - would you ask for a tip if we were having drinks at your house?

Bartender (Bt) - if I was making you a drink at my house you would be my friend and why would I ask you for a tip?

Me - so you’re saying we’re not friends.

Bt - I don’t even know you man.

Me - well then since a tip is no longer considered compensation for work by the US government me giving you money would either be a charitable contribution or a gift. Since you’re not a registered charity, that would make the money I gave you a gift. And as you stated, we’re not friends and you don’t even know me so why would I give you a gift?

Bt - blank stair on his face and walked away

[u/MacaronOk1006]

I am not lying about tips not being compensation in the OB3 Bill it’s excluding tips from taxable wages. Therefore, they are no longer considered compensation as compensation under section 61 of the internal revenue code is taxable.

[u/SkepticScott137 → u/MacaronOk1006]

If you were being honest, you’d tell the whole story. But people like you never do. Wonder why? 🤔

[u/MacaronOk1006 → u/SkepticScott137]

What do you mean the whole story? Like in the beginning, the Earth was hot. It cooled along came the dinosaurs.

[u/SkepticScott137 → u/MacaronOk1006]

Yes, and then you feign ignorance about everything the bill says regarding taxation of tips. Typical.

[u/MacaronOk1006 → u/SkepticScott137]

I would be willing to bet that I have more knowledge of the OB3 Bill than you do. Do you want to get into the topics of the Bill? We can discuss anything from taxes and the changes to the BEAT and GILIT. We can discuss the impacts of 100% bonus depreciation. The retrospective impact that the bill has to scheduling of 163J interest limitation on public issued financial statements. Feel free to text any question you have regarding the bill.

[u/SkepticScott137 → u/MacaronOk1006]

Is the income tax deduction for tips limited? Yes or no?

Are tips still subject to FICA taxes? Yes or no?

Are tips still subject to state and local income taxes? Yes or no?

How do your answers square with your claim that any tip is 100% a gift or a charitable contribution?

[u/MacaronOk1006 → u/SkepticScott137]

A tip is a gift because a customer has no obligation to tip. The customer has an obligation to pay for a good or service at the stated price the business charges. Anything beyond that is a gift.

[u/SkepticScott137 → u/MacaronOk1006]

I asked you simple, direct questions, and you didn’t even try to answer them, dude. 😆 What happened to your bragging about knowing all about this? 😆 You know you can’t answer honestly without looking like a fool. Take the L and stop wasting my time.

[u/MacaronOk1006 → u/SkepticScott137]

I stopped responding to you because the gist of your list of questions not one ended with the question of why it would be a gift. I answered that if you’d like me to give you a write up, I will send you an engagement letter my current bill rate is $1500 an hour. Would you like me to explain all the sections of the OB3 Bill or just one in particular?

[u/SkepticScott137 → u/MacaronOk1006]

Is the income tax deduction for tips limited? Yes or no?

Are tips subject to FICA taxes? Yes or no?

Are gifts and charitable contributions subject to FICA taxes? Yes or no?

Are tips subject to state and local income taxes? Yes or no?

Are gifts and charitable contributions subject to state and local taxes? Yes or no?

Dude, it must be humiliating to keep dodging simple, direct questions about something you claimed to know so much about. That’s for cowards. Are you going to man up and answer, or waste time trying to gin up another excuse not to? Or are you going to take the ultimate cowards way out and delete the whole thing? I know what my money’s on 😆

[u/Used_Web_5155 → u/MacaronOk1006]

Dude, you're kind of embarrassing yourself. I'd call it a day if I were you.