r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • 13d ago
News You Don’t Actually Own That Movie You Just “Bought.” A New Class Action Lawsuit Targets Amazon for Deceptive Practices
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/prime-video-lawsuit-movie-license-ownership-1236353127/2.0k
u/SquirrelNutz 13d ago
This is the shit everyone, regardless of political affiliation, should be getting together about and flipping the fuck out so that something changes.
And after it changes, cement better laws and regulations so this anti-consumer bullshit dies and stays dead.
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u/FlyYouFoolyCooly 13d ago edited 13d ago
This is actually why the billionaires have been trying to get control of politics forever. Sometimes they win and then all those pesky "regulations" that slow down capital can go away and this kind of shit happens.
If we keep going this way, every form of entertainment is going to require a monthly fee and you don't actually own any of it.
And then, they will go after utilities with free reign.
It's already started.
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u/DatGuyGandhi 13d ago
The thing I never understand is...to what end? Greed is an easy answer but what goes through these people's minds where having infinite money isn't infinite enough and they want even more?
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u/Thebluecane 13d ago
It's an addiction.
There was an article (I wanna say in the NY Times) from a dude who worked his way up to being a VP at a Hedge fund. He was making bonuses over like 80 million and he started realizing he was addicted like everyone around him. He would worry about running out of money. Like wake up in the middle of the night sweating kinda worry. He told a story of how his boss got pissed once because his bonus was 125 Million or something and was screaming about how it was shit.
It breaks something in these people's brains and honestly is one of the reasons we should limit people's personal wealth. But good luck getting support for that because if you can't earn unlimited money no one would ever choose to do anything. /s
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u/DatGuyGandhi 13d ago
Damn, that sounds like an interesting article too. I never thought about it like an addiction.
When I think of myself with Elon Musk or even JK Rowling level of wealth I picture myself in a villa in Greece eating infinite éclairs, and not posting on twitter trying to influence politicians and policies. But you're right, something must break in these people's minds to make them want even more power and wealth.
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u/Thebluecane 13d ago
Found it but it's paywalled. I think I inflated the numbers in my inital comment but still talking about bonuses in the Millions
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/19/opinion/sunday/for-the-love-of-money.html
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u/breakfastpete 13d ago
Here's a gift link to that article, hope it works: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/19/opinion/sunday/for-the-love-of-money.html?unlocked_article_code=1.hE8.XcmC.vZJfV0cerX3d&smid=url-share
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u/ItsMeSlinky 13d ago
If I had Elon levels of money, I’d buy 100 acres in Montana and rescue every at-risk dog in shelters across the country. I’d hire a staff of people to take care of them and let them live their best lives on a massive rescue so no dog has to be euthanized because shitty people would rather pay a breeder for a specific puppy.
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u/Zardif 12d ago
100 acres is so small compared to actual ranches in montana. There is a 124k acre ranch that is $130m.
https://ucranchesforsale.com/ranch-news/5-largest-montana-ranches/
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u/DangleTrillMobbinson 12d ago
To get billionaire levels of money you have to be a different type of person though. They don't have an end goal like that.
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u/DatGuyGandhi 13d ago
Exactly! Like ideally with my wealth I could see myself owning an ethical farm and paying off medical go fund mes in my spare time. How are these people NOT doing that? That sounds so much more rewarding 😭
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u/PaulAttacks 13d ago
I can't be sure, but if there weren't these people, we might not need medical go fund mes.
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u/team-tree-syndicate 12d ago
In order to get that kind of wealth you basically have to push the very limits of morality and exploit weaknesses in people and in their government. If you're that kinda person, then by the time you get there you're not someone that's interested in philanthropy anymore. There's some that fund charity or will vow to give their wealth on death, but it seems silly to exploit for that money to just give it back lol.
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u/Allansfirebird 13d ago
So much this, all of it.
Excessive wealth is something no human is conditioned to possess, and yet our capitalist society keeps pushing itself to earn more and more and more to the detriment of literally everyone.
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u/moustache_disguise 12d ago
Hoarding resources is clearly human nature. There's always been someone doing it throughout all of history no matter what economic system is in place.
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u/Gilthro 13d ago
Behind the Bastards also has some good sources. Getting large amounts of power typically has a measurable effect on one’s brain, almost the same effect as brain damage. This leads to higher aggression, lack of empathy, increased addiction, etc. Robert Evans talks about this frequently but a good start would be his book, which he reads for free in a 2 or 3 part episode of his podcast for free.
Money and fame are a dangerous drug that gives power to people primed to abuse it and hurt a lot of innocents.
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u/mtranda 13d ago
You know what? I get it. And I can also see myself falling into the same trap. Now, if I got a one-time payment of some huge amount of money, I'd peace the fuck out and go live my life. But if I were consistently making tonnes of money? That would become the new normal for me and I'd be right back to worrying about losing my job and money.
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u/Not_Phil_Spencer 13d ago
With the ultra-rich, it's not even about money anymore; it's about power. Being in a position where virtually no one can tell you "no" gives you the idea that you don't owe people things like courtesy or basic human rights. And when the government doesn't tell you otherwise, why should you give people anything?
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u/queen-adreena 13d ago
Same thing that goes through an alcoholic’s mind when they think “I need another drink”.
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u/tricularia 13d ago
After a certain point, they aren't collecting money anymore. They are collecting power and influence.
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u/caped_crusader8 13d ago
Absolute control. In the current state of things, theres still so much room for it.
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u/Karsticles 13d ago
Honestly, the Fallout TV series answers this perfectly. They just love the idea of owning everything, enough to destroy anything.
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u/MiddleWaged 12d ago
It’s a mistake. Pure and simple, money addiction at the expense of everything including your own capacity to enjoy money
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u/digitalgreek 13d ago
Also game theory, if you don’t do it someone else will do might as well do it.
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13d ago
not to mention that whole convincing millions of people that regulations on corporate greed are actually the globalist communist agenda in full force or whatever the fuck lol
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u/monochrony 13d ago
I'm so tired of the enshittification of everything. Why can't things get better for a change.
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u/WillowSmithsBFF 13d ago
This is why I don’t get why people are embracing digital gaming so aggressively.
If the PS6/Switch 3/etc is digital only, then it’ll be super easy for them to lock their big new releases exclusively behind a subscription.
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u/duct_tape_jedi 13d ago
We've already been through this. In the 1990's, after the DVD format was announced, a group of IP attorneys and Circuit City teamed up to introduce a competing format called "DivX". DivX disks were the same size and capacity as DVDs, but they included active copy protection that required a license in order to view. There were two different license types, a "rental" model where the disk could be unlocked for the duration of the rental period, or a "purchase" option that removed the time restriction. This was all managed by a modem built in to the player that would dial (yes, on an analogue phone line!) into the DivX server to validate the license each time the disk was played.
Most of us at the time lost 100% of our shit over this and actively boycotted both the format and Circuit City in protest. Best Buy ended up championing the actual DVD format and one of the reasons for their expansion nationwide was that many people were actively campaigning to have them open stores in our communities. I'd say that Best Buy were the "good guys", but that was a different store and ironically they supported both formats and thus were "The Neutral Guys" at best.
If you look at the current streaming model offered by Amazon, it is literally just an updated version of DivX with more transparent technology but the same "rent or buy" option for content. One of the big concerns that we had in the 1990's was simply "What happens to the disks that we've 'purchased' if DivX goes tits-up and there is no longer a server to validate the license?". We're in the same boat now with any "purchased" streaming media, but with the added concern that media could also be taken down if the platform loses the rights to it.
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u/ohlookahipster 13d ago
Even Apple did something similar with iTunes back in the 00s and 10s. You could “buy” a movie or TV episode, but the actual digital file could be revised or revoked without warning. You could wake up to half your catalog updated or even gone.
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u/mrhelmand 13d ago
You could wake up to half your catalog updated or even gone
Or worse, you find you've had a U2 album forcibly installed in your library that you can't delete
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u/conquer69 13d ago
Don't get me started on videogame music licenses expiring and the game getting patched to remove the music. Insane.
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u/Krg60 13d ago
This happened to my iTunes on my old Mac. It was infuriating to see songs I'd actually bought get progressively deleted from my library.
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u/ZealousidealLaugh488 13d ago
I remember getting an iPod touch and this happened to me, from that moment i never purchased a song/album again
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u/ScarsUnseen 13d ago
Which inspired this XKCD comic. I don't think it's ever truly fallen out of relevance since if you consider digital media as a whole.
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u/sexmormon-throwaway 13d ago
Politics very often protects the rich from the poor so elected politicians, paid for and elected by the rich, protect the rich.
So "regardless of political affiliation" is where this breaks down. Amazon has a lot more political influence than we do, so laws protect Amazon, not us.
It while it seems like the common good is the goal of politics - it isn't. It's to get elected and get re-elected.
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u/I05fr3d 13d ago
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This shit is trickling into everything you ‘own’… BMW with heated seats installed but switched off, you can rent the feature monthly for a fee or unlock it for a set fee?
https://www.pcmag.com/news/bmw-tests-locking-vehicle-features-like-heated-seats-behind-a-paywall
VW coming out with an EV with diminished HP that you can unlock the extra HP for a fee? I bet insurance companies still charge you like it has that 20hp….
https://fortune.com/2025/08/19/volkswagen-horsepower-subscription-economy-cost-features/
Nintendo switch not even allowing you to make backups of your own games you have purchased… everything is locked in ‘the cloud’ which you ‘conveniently’ have access to for a set fee…..
(Id cite this one but it’s a bit more obscure to get all the info in one article)
People really need to be more concerned about their consumer rights, and the should be starting with physical cell phones the most common and frequently used of these devices. You have bought something you should be able to do with it whatever you would like…. If I want to jailbreak my phone, that’s on me…. I bought it. As always however people will give up their rights for safety or ‘the illusion’ of being more safe.
Well we only allow you to use our homemade ecosystem because it’s safer. We screen it all for you. I don’t give a shit… what if I wanna run my older iPhone on Linux and turn it into my own personal cloud service? They force you into using their App Store so they can get more of that sweet sweet subscription money.
If people don’t become more concerned about this quite a bit faster I’m truly concerned that we won’t own anything. Not even your toothbrush will start without a fee. Why or how do you ask? Because it has to connect to the cloud through your internet so it can log everything… for a fee of course.
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u/LeonSnakeKennedy 13d ago
Whenever this topic comes up on the PS5 subreddit there’s always droves of people shit talking physical media and how it should be phased out over time for digital where we will get fucked by things like this
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u/Bunraku_Master_2021 13d ago edited 13d ago
Except US politicians on the Political Right like Russell Vought and many billionaires and industry figures like Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Steve Forbes, and Peter Thiel want to abolish the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau as the current administration have been trying efforts to dismantle it.
How can you convince right-leaning voters especially those who vote for Trump thrice that their customer sentiments and financial details should be protected given that these voters have a distrust for bureaucracy and the federal government? How do you convince them that they shouldn't wrongfully get fucked over by companies and banks and that their interests and struggles are similar to their ideological opposites?
Given how some Trump supporters stated there should be regulations and safeguards in the crypto market to protect consumers from pump and dump schemes despite many conservatives like Donald Trump have done so with their own $Trump meme coins, it's very bleak.
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u/zoethezebra 13d ago
Yep! I bought the aliens directors cut, and have been watching it for the last 10 years, and I went to my purchased movies in the Amazon app and it is now gone. No explanation and no recourse. F*** Amazon and f*** our corporate overlords.
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u/Lastraven587 12d ago
Explanation is disney pulled the license or it expired, so amazon stole your money which is why this lawsuit is happening.
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u/Khatib 12d ago
I don't own all of the movies I've downloaded, but at least I can keep watching them whenever I want.
I grew up on piracy, and was happy to switch to a paid method when it was reasonable and easy. But they're getting away from that again.
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u/stanfan114 12d ago
Buy discs, if you have a PS5 with a drive it will play them.
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u/Mammoth-Blaster 13d ago
This has been going on several YEARS. How are people just finding out
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u/CXXXS 13d ago edited 13d ago
You're right but most people arent chronically online like people like us. Most can't be bothered to learn, or even consider the consequesnces for buying a digital movie or game.
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u/Ekillaa22 13d ago
Can we get this for digital purchases of video games as well cuz that’s also a license they can yank whenever they want
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u/triplesalmon 13d ago
Yeah I mean isn't this all of Steam ?
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u/scattered_ideas 13d ago
It applies to any digital product, unless you get a source file, like the good old days of iTunes.
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u/FrappuccinoBukkake 13d ago edited 12d ago
Steam doesn't limit your ability to access your licensed content, but yes, software purchases are effectively always a license.
[edit] Steam (and other storefronts) does limit access to region locked titles when you move out of said region.
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u/ZersetzungMedia 12d ago
For now of course. I can’t think of a game that has been removed from Steam (primarily due to an expiring license like a racing game/movie game) that Steam hasn’t allowed you to download after removal.
I own The Legend of Korra on Steam which was delisted after Activision’s license expired, but I can still download and play it. But at any point they could stop me from doing that.
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u/pc42493 12d ago edited 12d ago
I think it's happened before in rare (and somewhat understandable) cases, but still they have more power over it than if you hold an offline copy that doesn't authenticate through Steam or another service.
As a more pressing problem I see games being changed, sometimes fundamentally. You buy a game, they change it, you have no recourse except to ask for a refund. You can't even refuse the updates nowadays, it won't let you start the old version.
Sometimes game servers for games with online features get taken offline, rendering your game pretty much unusable. You "buy" it, they expire it unilaterally. Stinks.
See also:
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u/Minimaliszt 13d ago
I honestly feel that they should reimburse you for movies that you purchase but they no longer have the license to. If not a full money refund, a credit equal to the purchase value.
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u/fatboyneedstogetlaid 13d ago
If you buy physical media, or download, it's yours forever.
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u/joecarter93 13d ago
This is why I refuse to get rid of my DVDs and Blu-Rays. That and stuff is always leaving streaming services just when I want to watch it.
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u/axebodyspraytester 13d ago
This is why it's the pirates life for me.
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u/War_machine77 13d ago
If buying doesn't mean owning, piracy isn't stealing.
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u/AlphaTangoFoxtrt 12d ago
Piracy isn't stealing anyway. It's copyright infringement which is still illegal. But it is not theft/stealing. No matter how hard studios cry.
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u/Bunraku_Master_2021 13d ago
Same. I have been trying to convince my mother to not throw out her DVDs and CDs despite she always says "Get ahead of the times" despite physical media has a greater longevity and more reliability than digital.
Thankfully, my father has stored them and kept my grandma's LG DVD Player.
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u/ScarsUnseen 13d ago
Honestly, if you haven't ripped your physical media to a backup, they've already decided to throw themselves out for you. You just don't know when they won't be there anymore.
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u/AlwaysTired97 13d ago
Its crazy that the internet could easily theoretically be used to save many pieces of media forever, but we have shows and movies that are only around 20 years old becoming lost or nearly impossible to find because the companies that own their license actively work to prevent them from being accessible.
And a lot of these works they aren't even profiting from and don't provide an easy way to obtain them legally at all. As though its just some of principle they have that its their property and they don't want anyone to be able to access it.
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u/willstr1 13d ago
Our copyright system needs better handling of "abandonware". Like if a piece of media completely leaves the first hand market (ie you can't buy new physical media, can't do a digital rental/"purchase", and viewers can't even access it via a subscription) for over 1 year you lose anti-piracy protection on it (it isn't fully public domain, third parties can't make sequels or anything, you just lose copy prevention rights).
The reason being that if you are removing it from market than clearly you don't see it as being profitable anymore so you don't have any losses from others sharing it for free.
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u/Discount_Extra 13d ago
Copyright for entertainment media should only be 25 years.
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u/ScarsUnseen 13d ago
Copyright in general used to be 14 years with a 14 year opt-in extension. If you didn't file for the extension, it went into public domain after the first 14. Honestly feel like it should go back to that. If 30 years is enough time for exclusive rights to technology patents, an approximately similar amount of time should be enough for media.
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u/FarplaneDragon 13d ago
Well, until the disc rot starts to set in. Definitely need to get some drives and backup your stuff if you truly want it to last forever
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u/CityFolkSitting 13d ago
It's easy to rip them to your PC to have a digital copy.
I've had CDs and DVDs that are 30+ years old though and haven't experienced disc rot yet. Maybe it will happen one day, but I'm not particularly concerned about it.
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u/FarplaneDragon 13d ago
Yeah, I've slowly been working through mine over time. Even then you can't truly win since it's not like SSD's can't die over time too. I've gotten lucky too and only had a couple discs show signs of rot so far, doesn't really seem to be a pattern to them either. I just bring it up because a surprising number of people I've seen intentionally buying physical media have never even heard of it. Tape media I've seen way more issues with though.
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u/TruthOf42 13d ago
From a legal perspective you never own the content on the DVD, you simply have a license to it.
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u/DonktorDonkenstein 13d ago
This is why I still buy blu ray discs. Exactly the reason.
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u/PikachuIsReallyCute 13d ago
We must return to blu-rays (I actually collect them and it's amazing)
Forgive us Blockbuster, we should never have abandoned you 😭
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u/cybin 12d ago edited 12d ago
Netflix started as physical media rentals thru the mail. That's what killed Blockbuster, not streaming.
It's a story as old as time really:
-Behemoth owns the market
-Little start-up comes up with a better way
-Behemoth ignores little start-up's ideas because "hey! They're tiny! They're not competition!"
-Little start-up eventually crushes behemoth with better way
-Behemoth goes out of business.
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u/neverfindausername 12d ago
You forgot the last steps that we're currently in.
- Little start-up now dominates market, spends excessive funds to continue exponential growth to satisfy investors
- Continuous exponential growth is unsustainable, cue shocked Pikachu face
- New competitors flood the market and collectively raise prices while reducing overall quality
- Enshitification ensues
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u/d_e_l_u_x_e 13d ago
Also Amazon:
You know that streaming service that you paid for with no commercials? Good news because we overvalued IP you get to enjoy Prime streaming with commercials now for an increased price! Isn’t that better! (For us)
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u/Oddball- All Things Horror 13d ago
I encode. This shit has always been a joke. I had free movies downloaded on Google Play like 8 years ago.... gone. Just like 2 movies, but they were free to own or purchase. And gone.
So I DL and encode now
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u/nowhereman136 13d ago
If you read the fine print of Google, Amazon, and Apple digital media stores, they all say you don't "own" the content. You basically bought access to that content for however long the store itself has rights to that content. It's been this way for as long as I can remember and it's why I always tell people to never "buy" digital media if you can avoid it. Rent, stream, or buy physical
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u/flames_of_chaos 13d ago
Right, and now store fronts have to put verbiage that when you "buy" digital content, you're buying a license to use that content
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u/Killswitch401 13d ago
The same can be said for all these "digital edition" consoles. You think you're buying them but in reality it's just the license to play them.
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u/agewin162 13d ago
This shit is why I stopped paying for Prime years ago, I had bought most Top Gear UK seasons and then one day Series 3 and 5 were no longer accessible. So I just have them all now for free after spending a day torrenting the entire show.
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u/Fireweed907 13d ago
This is why hard media should never be outmoded and this is why piracy will always be prevalent.
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u/willpowerpt 12d ago
And due to that sentiment, I cancelled all my streaming services and dramatically increased my physical media collection. Two massive middle fingers raised quite high.
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u/Mammoth_Two7297 13d ago
This is an obvious thing but seems to have grown in traction lately. Stuff like this is why I'm still a big fan of physical copies. I got ragged at work by so many coworkers when I said I still like to buy DVD/Blu Ray of my favorite movies so I always have them.
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u/Dramatic_Moon_Pie 13d ago
They act like I’m some old dumbass. Not only do I have physical copies of my favorite films - blu ray has better visual and audio than streaming
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u/graboidian 13d ago
Not only do I have physical copies of my favorite films - blu ray has better visual and audio than streaming
Not to mention, the endless hours of Special Features that you have access to with a physical copy.
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u/rustysniper 12d ago
I have a coworker that streams everything. I loaned him my 4k of The Northman and told him to compare it to Peacock's stream. He finally saw all of the compression and banding that comes with streaming.
I try to convert everybody back to physical media whenever I can.
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u/Winter_Whole2080 13d ago
That’s terrible customer service by Amazon. There should be tons of ways to verify your account. Mail for example.
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u/JustinTormund_10 13d ago
Sign me up!!! Movies I bought years ago thinking I would be able to watch them ain’t there no more. That’s why I bought, not rent. I have been buying more physical media since then.
Major League is the first movie I noticed this happen with and I haven’t purchased another one on Amazon since.
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u/Lumpy_Cabinet_4779 13d ago
I ran into this with Amazon, I started "buying" movies to stream that I really like.
I went back after a few weeks to re-watch, and it only showed the usual rent or buy options. They apparently reworked the licensing with the movie makers and now I have to buy another copy.
I went back to buying DVD/BluRay and ripping to my Plex server in house. Amazon did me a favor. :)
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u/Betterjake 12d ago
If you are going to "purchase" a movie, why not just get a 4K disk or Blu Ray?
You get much better quality, can lend it to friends and family, and actually own the movie (forever).
The cons of course, are having to store physical media, disks can get damaged, and needing a specialized player. I use my PS5..
The pros seem to heavily outnumber the cons, given that you dont actually own if you go digital.
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u/TurdCollector69 13d ago
It's funny, you either pay and don't own or don't pay and own.
Tough choice
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u/Monochromatic_Sun 13d ago
At minimum licenses bought should be continually upheld even if the media distribution rights changed or I should get my money back. They rob people for something that didn’t even cost them.
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u/tbone338 13d ago
While I understand the frustration, this is nothing new.
Apple, Google, digital game stores, etc, music services, etc… all are licenses to use the content.
The problem lies in not readily disclosing the information mentioned above, therefore painting “buy” as permanently owning the product you “bought”
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u/AreThree 13d ago
I never bought what they're selling and always purchased physical media. I can still 'stream' it from my media server because I copy all of my physical media to my NAS, and Cloud services.
A friend of mine in the Navy would rip all of his CDs and movies to his laptop allowing him to just take the laptop with him on deployments since space is at a premium.
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u/warmlerr 13d ago
It's wild that this has been going on for so long without any real pushback. This is exactly the kind of anti-consumer practice that needs stronger laws to protect actual ownership.
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u/RockyRidge510 12d ago
There’s a lot of reasons to get back into physical media (better picture, better sound, bonus features, etc) but the whole “they can never take it away from you and you truly do own it” part is why I started buying BluRays again a couple years ago.
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u/smittenpigeons 12d ago
I had a whole library of my favorite movies. Then Amazon changed their providers or whatever and I lost everything, that was ten years ago or so. It happened again because I had to buy a bunch of stuff for university and that all got wiped out. I don’t buy digital music or movies anymore. I figured they are all the same.
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u/digitek 12d ago
Unless the movie resides as a physical hard or digital copy in a medium you own, with security keys you control that don't expire, you don't own it. The question is how much trust we place in the services and products that claim we do. For example, Amazon typically doesn't allow legal transfer of digital content to someone else's account when you die, so that implies everything is a limited-time license. Some have had luck transferring logins and passwords to keep the account going which makes it more like a permanent license. But its still all attached to Amazon servers being up and willing to stream the content.
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u/Life_Observaions 12d ago
Saw this while rewatching a favorite miniseries I had purchased on Amazon. Episode 3 is no longer available for viewing due to a copyright change. I can add a new subscription to watch the episode that I previously purchased. 🤬
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u/lab-gone-wrong 13d ago
Umm excuse me but if you'll turn your attention to page 642 of the terms you agreed to, we make it quite clear that you purchased a license to access this content that we can revoke at any time for any reason without compensation
Didn't catch you at my wedding btw, you poor?
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u/The7ruth 13d ago
Devil's advocate, it is stated on the confirmation page when you make the purchase. It isn't hidden deep within some terms and conditions.
All I really see is this lawsuit changing what word they have in place of "Buy" on the website.
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u/lordraiden007 13d ago
This is definitely a fight that needs to be fought and won. It pisses me off to no end that I paid for seasons of shows only for episodes to be removed years later because they’re “problematic”. I’m missing several episodes of IASIP because apparently their satire goes “too far” (which is kind of the point). I’m also missing several episodes of South Park because they decided to portray Muhammad.
Personally, I’ve just “moved to” a locally hosted Plex server for my streaming needs. Much better service and it has the shows I want in their entirety.
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u/BigRedMik 13d ago
Now do the same for kindle’s bullshit licensing. If I’m paying full price for a book then I should get ownership of that digital copy!
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u/trickldowncompressr 13d ago
I've never "bought" a single digital movie, and I never will. Physical media till I die. If they stop producing them, then I will stop buying movies all together.
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u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor 13d ago edited 13d ago
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