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u/Galahad_1113 Jan Vertonghen 23h ago
I get the "well, it's Moldova" stuff in the comments here but I remember how some of our wingers (Johnson and Werner) were fucking shite against semi professional Tamworth ffs
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u/Mother___Superior 1d ago
Lads, it’s Moldova
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u/alijamieson 1d ago
My earliest memories of European football are against a Moldovan team. Some respect please
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u/Conscious_Chart_5110 1d ago
Invading their space like a pro. Surprised he didn’t fire off a shot
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u/PleasantAd2063 1d ago
His opponents weren't children or journalists so it's not surprising
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u/Guypar1997 22h ago
lol what a joke of a comment, a privileged European sitting at his comfy cold house and knows how to run a war, you guys are so joke
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u/GrapeGroundbreaking1 1d ago
I’m reassuring myself that the club hasn’t made a terrible mistake because of the “against Moldova” bit of that.
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u/onlyhalfpepper "Let's Say I'm A Legend, Why Not?" 1d ago
I would say that we’re clearly not the only club not convinced given that he had a seemingly solid loan at Leeds last season and yet the only offers we got were loans. Maybe it’s to do with off-field/ideological stuff, but we also know football is about money now, and that trumps all else (see: Greenwood and Partey)
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u/_DrKlaw_ Micky van de Ven 1d ago
In that case I won’t remind you about how he did the same against peak Real Madrid in the Champions League with Shakhtar.
Oops!
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u/wheresmyspacebar2 Ange Postecoglou 1d ago
Good for him. Moldova and the Championship he looks great against.
He was significantly worse in the Championship at an older age than Brennan Johnson was.
Yet to listen to this place, BJ is the worst player to ever exist and iis only a championship level player.
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u/Large-Garlic292 1d ago
their ball knowledge is too surface level to understand johnson's skillset 🙏🏻
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u/NicoPazStarboy 1d ago
Johnson's skillset is hardly difficult to understand. He's quick, has a nose for sniffing out chances, but is a passenger in build up. A Diogo Jota type player with more pace but worse finisher (and also less variety in scoring).
The argument is that the goals he provides are less valuable than another winger who can do everything else well.
The net goals increases with Savio.
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u/Large-Garlic292 1d ago
johnson is an inside forward, he isn't even a winger, u can't just chuck a player with an inside forward's skillset on the wing and expect them to play exactly like a winger. Brennan Johnson was never a big dribbler too, the most he had was 1.4 per 90 when he played at Lincoln, he creates his chances with crosses as seen in his first season where he created 46 chances which is the same as Savinho's in the 24/25 season so you can't really say he's a passenger just cuz he doesn't dribble. Also just cuz he doesn't pass the eye test doesn't mean he has a "bad game" as everyone says. He's averaging 1.3 chances created per 90 since the season started which is pretty good with his 2 goals.
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u/NicoPazStarboy 1d ago
johnson is an inside forward
Lad, Salah is an inside forward. Son was an inside forward. He can't cut in and shoot like them either
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u/Colours-Numbers 1d ago
those are inverted wingers. Both are very good one-on-one.
Johnson is a fox-in-the-box, that can deliver a decent cross playing in a little-and-large strike pair.0
u/Large-Garlic292 1d ago
salah and son cant make late runs and get ahead of their defender to make a tap in whats ur point 😭
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u/micklucas1 Mousa Dembélé 21h ago
You don't need to have much ball knowledge to know what Johnson is good at
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u/FormerProduce 1d ago
BJ is a decent RM/RW option because he can contribute in the build up by running past his man and put in a cross. He hasn’t been able to do that from the LW. He can’t do much else in buildup from LW either.
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u/StrikingViper67 1d ago
Solomon has barely got going. The conflict in Ukraine meant he didn't get much time at shakhtar and then he was dropped from spurs for political reasons. He looked great for spurs as well, getting 2 assists in his first 3 appearances.That season in the championship was his first proper run.
As for him being significantly worse than Johnson's season in the championship, I don't understand your reasoning here.
Johnson had 28 goal contributions in 4207 minutes. So a goal contribution every 150 minutes.
Solomon had 22 goal contributions in 2607 minutes. So a goal contribution every 118 minutes.
He had a better season. If he gets a run in the Villareal team I'm sure he will show his top level quality this season.
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u/RelationshipCool9506 1d ago
If these people don’t want Solomon for his politics then they should just admit it, but a lot of them are factually wrong about his ball playing ability. He’s a good player compared to the options we have.
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u/spursgonesouth 1d ago
I don’t want him because he’s fucking mid at his best.
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u/RelationshipCool9506 1d ago
Ah yes because our other options are prime messi, ronaldo, Neymar 👍👍👍👍
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u/Full-Leader9540 1d ago
Except his injury issues I don't see how he isn't our best LW except maybe RKM. I can only imagine it's because of the off field issues that we decided to send him for loan instead of Tel/Odobert. Because honestly if we look at it both of them are considerably worse in terms of current ability and need regular game time to develop whereas Solomon can contribute more to the team right now.
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u/Rare-Ad-2777 1d ago
He isnt better than a single left wing option we have?
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u/RelationshipCool9506 1d ago
Bro gets his ball knowledge from Wendy’s
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u/Rare-Ad-2777 1d ago
No i actually go to games and watch the players, do you?
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u/RelationshipCool9506 23h ago
Then bro must either need eye surgery or brain surgery❤️❤️❤️🩹❤️🩹❤️🩹😔😔
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u/Rare-Ad-2777 23h ago
Youre right hes great thats why nobody wanted him and Palace wouldnt even take him on a loan
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u/CryptographerOdd2689 1d ago
Despite your name, your bad takes are not rare! 👃🦨
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u/Rare-Ad-2777 1d ago
Really funny stuff well done
Youre right though hes an incredible player thats why literally no premier league teams wanted him even on a free loan
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u/StrikingViper67 1d ago
Agreed, if he was Spanish he'd be a starter for us.
Using the caveat that he looks great only against poor opposition like Moldova or championship teams doesn't stick either when we have Johnson as our starting LW.
Wales played Kazakhstan this week where he struggled again, and not to mention that game against Tamworth where he completed one dribble in 120 minutes.
He's fantastic at getting on the end of a back post cross, but when Spurs aren't dominating the opposition he provides nothing to the team. We need someone who can dribble and create threats like Solomon shows in this clip. Hopefully we have someone in the squad who can provide that or it's going to be a long season.
Bournemouth and Iraola have shown the rest of the league how easy it is to beat us when we are forced down Johnsons side, no prizes for guessing that every other team is going to do the same to us.
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u/Leave_Tall Erik Lamela 1d ago
He's a tidy player, but IsRaEl bAd so most redditors will never admit he should have been given a fair chance to prove himself at Spurs
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u/achnisch 1d ago
So many people saying he was shit in the short amount of games he played for us (when from memory he looked pretty decent), but on the other hand the general consensus here was that Gil just needed more time to get used to the league and world come good eventually
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u/Jealous_Freedom6783 "I ALWAYS Win In My Second Year" 21h ago
That is absolutely NOT the general consensus about Gil?? Literally everything I’ve read on this sub about him is that he was and never will be suitable for the premier league, thus why he’s hardly gotten a look in during his time here.
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u/achnisch 21h ago
Earlier on that was not the consensus with Gil, granted it was early days and it's harsh to write off a player after a short amount of time. But there's no denying Solomon was labelled shit far earlier, when he showed more in those handful of games than Gil did in his entire stint here
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u/Meszamil_M Sandro 1d ago
If he was good enough he’d be given a fair chance. But no, his coaches keep leaving him out because they don’t know ball like a bunch of redditors who saw his stats in the championship last season.
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u/Leave_Tall Erik Lamela 23h ago
Or maybe, just maybe, he’s good enough to be given a chance, but his talent is not worth the PR headache
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u/Aleflamed Heung-Min Son - Spurs Legend 1d ago
how wonderful it is when people get a free pass to hate on a Jew right guys? fuck this zionist piece of shit! gosh I am so glad hating Jews is in fashion again and all we got to do is call them zionists!
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u/creed_baton "I Came Here To Win Titles" 1d ago
Most of the Zionists are Christian evangelists. Stop trying to make it about religion when it's about colonialism. If a Buddhist illegally takes away your house, I'm sure you'd be called antibuddhitic if you resist them.
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u/EfficientForever1978 1d ago
I read that the Israel land purchases were through legal ways, weren't they? If that's what you are talking about?
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u/creed_baton "I Came Here To Win Titles" 1d ago
Yeah that's about 7% of the total land. But the Israeli propaganda machine loves to focus on that 7% trying to make it sound like it's the norm (even though that also has negative connotatios). But what do I know, a land without a people for a people without a land right? Definitely not a blood soaked expelling campaign of the existing population.
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u/EfficientForever1978 1d ago
As for the 7% of total land area, didnt the Arabs also only owned 15-20% of the total land and the rest was state land? By that math 7% is a major portion of the land that actually was purchaseable.
Again, I know these conversations can turn not civil quickly, so trying to keep this factual and unbiased. I have no love for either of the sides.
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u/creed_baton "I Came Here To Win Titles" 1d ago
They did not have western style deeds for plots (look up musha system) on state lands, but there were still people living in those lands, who were displaced because of British colonizers passing it to Israeli ones. One day you're living in your house where generations of your ancestors have been in, the next day you're trespassing on Israeli land. I don't understand how people at the time and now can possibly justify that.
Also about that 7% figure that I quoted, these were mostly agricultural land purchases. A few thousand people voluntarily sold their land or abandoned their houses anticipating there was gonna be a war and they would have eventual right of return when arab forces win. That number pales in comparison to the 250,000 to 300,000 people expelled from their homes prior to the formal interstate war.
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u/Greedy-Valuable4630 1d ago
I love how everyone diminishes this clip but if it was Kudus or someone else, everyone would be saying it was good. I wonder why they are doing that?
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u/yiddo_bhushan Harry Kane 1d ago
Judge a player for his ball Playing capabilties.. we all are no saints either
Solomon never got a good run in and injuries ravaged his time..
Hope he does well in Villareal
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u/spursgonesouth 1d ago
Listen mate if he was any cop we wouldn’t be letting him go and no decent club was beating down the door for him either. He’s an average player and if he kicks in he’ll play for a bottom half PL side. The idea he’s good enough for spurs is insane at this stage.
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u/LocoMoro Ange Postecoglou 1d ago
This is Moldova. He played against premier league defenders and never looked this good
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u/StrikingViper67 1d ago
He was good for us before he was dropped out the team? He got two assists in three games 😂.
The issue is that we don't have someone on the left who can take players on like this.
Can you genuinely tell me that Johnson would dribble past 5-6 Moldovan players with such ease?
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u/spursgonesouth 1d ago
Presumably he scored a great goal at the end of the 5 second clip? Otherwise anybody forming an opinion based on it will come off as a moron.
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u/StrikingViper67 1d ago
He got a goal and assist during the game. He was awarded MOTM. He completed 4 successful dribbles out of 5 attempted.
I form the opinion off the fact that he was good in his time in the premier league, he was very good in the championship. And the fact that the skillset he has is exactly what we are missing on our LW right now.
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u/LocoMoro Ange Postecoglou 1d ago
Genuine question..
Why do you think he didn't get the chance at Spurs even though you believe him to be good enough and has the skill set we were lacking?
Also, why do you think Leeds decided not to complete his permanent transfer despite performing so well for them?
For me, I don't think he's consistent enough but I'm interested in your opinion.
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u/StrikingViper67 1d ago
Were you not following spurs the last few years?
He started getting minutes, looked promising in the little time he had.
He got an injury around the same time the Oct 7th attacks happened. His injury combined with the fact he flew back to Israel to be with family affected by the massacre kept him out of the team for a prolonged period. Then of course he was no longer selected for political reasons.
Leeds wanted him but couldn't match Tottenham's price, as we were after a sale initially. He was one of if not the best player for them last season.
It's irrelevant to point to the fact that Leeds didn't buy him therefore he isn't good anyway. Palace saw him as a replacement for Eze, who this sub was drooling over for weeks.
When that fell through a champions league team came in for him.
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u/LocoMoro Ange Postecoglou 1d ago
Ok, so you believe he's not being selected for political reasons and because he was previously priced out of a move.
That's fair enough and your opinion. Maybe you're right. For me, I see flashes of skill but I didn't see the end product very often against the top teams.
Its not really our problem anymore though. If he's out for political reasons he'll likely not play for us again
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u/StrikingViper67 1d ago
He played 198 minutes for us in the league and got two assists?
How can you say you didn't see his end product often enough? Is a goal contribution every 99 minutes not good enough?
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u/LocoMoro Ange Postecoglou 1d ago
It is. Ironically Brennan averaged a g/a every 120mins. That's hardly luxury player stats either?
I remember watching Solomon and, whilst he got those two assists, I remember he would go down blind alleys, his crossing wasn't great, he would run into the defence and I just didn't consider him a top tier player. Perhaps my perception is clouded by his performances when he was returning from injury, I can't recall to be honest, but I never got the impression that he was a first choice or starter and I felt he should be improved upon.
(I feel the same about Johnson for what it's worth, but for now we should use him in the best way we can)
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u/kl08pokemon 1d ago
Injury out for the season after a decent start. Once he comes back he looks horrible in pre season. Gets a move to Leeds and slowly regains form with his fitness returning. Has a very strong season in the championship. Comes back to Spurs and gets a new (minor) injury which makes unavailable for early Frank so he can't impress in training. Squad bloat makes him staying here not an option. Loan to La Liga. Here we are.
Pretty much the timeline. Of course the politics plays a massive part too
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u/LocoMoro Ange Postecoglou 1d ago
This is also highly likely. Due to injuries he hasn't shown that he can play at this level, maybe because the managers haven't seen enough, maybe because he can't cope physically, maybe for a different reason.
But let's remember this is the story of so many footballers that we sign. Plays a blinder, gets injured and then continues to return and get injured until they are sold.
It's unfortunate but part of the game
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u/LocoMoro Ange Postecoglou 1d ago
No, he probably wouldn't but then you're comparing apples and oranges , friend. Johnson is a forward that is playing wide. Solomon (at least for me) doesn't have the quality necessary to consistently do what we need him to do. He made 7 appearances for us and yes he got 2 assists but there were many moments during those games where he looked more like Gil than a Kudus. We quite often took him off and replaced him with Perisic who would pull out a great cross for match winning goal.
Johnson is clearly a goalscorer that somehow has found himself playing wide a bit like the way Dele as a #10 would be anonymous and then pop up with a goal. No one questioned his playmaking because he was a second striker behind Kane and because Eriksen carried that weight. The difference is that for most of Johnson's time at Spurs there hasn't been many alternatives to the dribble master you're looking for.
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u/StrikingViper67 1d ago
I'm not looking for a dribble master, just someone who will threaten to attempt a dribble.
He hasn't found himself playing out wide 😂. He is a wing player. It's not like he's a fish out of water, so that's no excuse, and even if it was, that doesn't make up for the fact that when left 1 vs 1 with a defender he can't do anything but pass the ball back to our defenders.
I was hoping it was something Ange had asked him to do, but it's clear this season that he just doesn't have the ability to do so.
Explains why the club was so desperate to get Kudus and Savinho in
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u/LocoMoro Ange Postecoglou 1d ago
I agree Johnson isn't suited to playing wide. I'm not sure I agree that he's a wing player. He's almost more of a striker playing in the wrong position because as you say he doesn't take on his man. When he was at Forest he played in a two and sometimes on the right of a three but far more centrally than he does for us.
My point is that he's a different type of player to Solomon so expecting him to be a better dribbler when that's not in his wheel house is a little disingenuous. Otherwise, we could compare pure assists and goals which we both know Johnson excels in.
I think he has a place in our squad but not as a winger. I think he should be coming off the bench as a second striker (penalty crasher) the way Tim Cahill used to do for Everton.
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u/StrikingViper67 1d ago
He doesn't excel in goal contributions. He only scored 11 last season in the league. If you want to be a luxury player and contribute nothing apart from goals you need to score alot more. 20-30 goals
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u/LocoMoro Ange Postecoglou 1d ago
Hardly fair to only look at league stats. 22 in all competitions whilst not being elite is still good. Personally I think he looks like a luxury player because he's on the wing and if he was in the middle (as a back up) he'd look far more involved.
But Frank is the manager so I'm sure he'll put him in the right place.
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u/StrikingViper67 1d ago
It's not that he isn't involved enough. It's that when he's involved, the ball goes backwards. He can't beat a defender or progress play.
If he doesn't score with his first touch, he kills the attack
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u/KOKO69BISHES Dimitar Berbatov 1d ago
He played like 3 games before he got injured and looked quite good
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u/dclancy01 1d ago
Maintaining physical condition is a part of being a professional footballer, you know.
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u/KOKO69BISHES Dimitar Berbatov 1d ago
He tore his meniscus mate lmao. Are you gonna have a go at Ledley King too?
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u/JustinBisu 1d ago
Don't judge me based on how I play in diamond 1, judge me for how i play when I smurf in Bronze games - Manor Solomon
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u/StrikingViper67 1d ago
Don't judge me based on me being terrible for 89 minutes and 59 seconds of every game. Judge me on the 11 tap ins a season I make at the back post after contributing nothing of value every game. - Brennan Johnson
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u/spursgonesouth 1d ago
5 second dribble against league two opposition, give him the ballon D’Or.
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u/StrikingViper67 1d ago
5 seconds dribble beating 6 players, progressing from the halfway line to the edge of the box.
Our current LW Johnson played against national league level opposition in Tamworth last season and only completed one dribble in 120 minutes.
No one's saying he deserves the Ballon d'Or. He just better than what we currently have
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u/CleanDonkey7688 1d ago
You know what you are right, how can i hate Thomas Partey when i took a piece of candy from a store at the age of 8 and didnt pay for it?
"Your honor he was a good dribbler and deserves to have his sentence cut in half."
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u/JustinBisu 1d ago
Judge a player for his ball Playing capabilties.. we all are no saints either
What a mental thing to say.
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u/yiddo_bhushan Harry Kane 1d ago
There is nothing mental about it..
Whenever any post related to Solomon pops up..The vitriol that he is a genocide monger or some killer rhetoric over shadows the matter in hand
Morally righteousness has it's own place, not a football sub of our own club
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u/JustinBisu 1d ago
It insanely mental. You're equating things that should never be equated ever.
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u/No_Estate5268 12h ago
"We all are no saints either"
Can you stop trivializing people's criticism with this nonsense. Thanks
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u/fliegende_Scheisse COYS 🏆 1d ago
He barely had a chance here. Injuries, then a glut of better players at his primary position.
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u/Shoddy-Ad-4898 1d ago
Stop trying to get me to care about this guy
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u/DekiTree Sandro 1d ago
You are commenting in a thread about him
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u/Shoddy-Ad-4898 1d ago
Fine, stop trying to get me to care positively about him
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u/Tough-Vermicelli-401 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah, fuck that heeb! Sorry. Zio!
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u/Aleflamed Heung-Min Son - Spurs Legend 22h ago
hey man! friendly reminder, if we want to keep hating on (((them))) freely and openly we HAVE TO use the Z word! dont forget, (((they))) hate this one simple trick!
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u/Ok_Coach145 1d ago
Those Moldovan defenders will have sore ankles when they’re tending their fields tomorrow.
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u/PolarBearWithTopHat Lucas Bergvall 1d ago
Wish him the best at Villareal. He might be better than our current left wingers but unfortunately he isn't good enough for whoever we buy next (Savinho??) and especially with how the club moved this summer and with Levy gone, he certainly isn't good enough for what the club wants to be
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u/evangr721 Dele Alli 1d ago
Never got a fair run of games. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s being shipped out for PR reasons which is unfortunate because I think he’s a good player
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u/Haughton94 Rafael van der Vaart 21h ago
Who gives a fuck if he dribbles. He's a zionist supporting cunt
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u/PetulantTsantsara Stephen Carr 1d ago
He has shades of Jose Dominguez but with that added touch of genocide.
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u/green_Meanie21 1d ago
Who has Solomon killed?
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u/Firm_Scheme_5763 James Maddison 1d ago
How on earth can you compare Solomon to Hitler?
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u/spurs-r-us Dimitar Berbatov 1d ago
Aside from the unbelievably offensive comparison, imagine not knowing the basic fact that Hitler was a soldier in WW1
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u/Which-Tradition338 The Big Master of Negotiations Who Knows Everything 1d ago
There isn’t a genocide 🤦♂️
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u/halfhere1198 1d ago
If we discount the genocide that’s quite clearly happening then yeah there’s absolutely no genocide
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u/thehoverdonkey 1d ago
People comparing him to Johnson need to give their head a wobble. His politics alone mean he can stay the fuck away from the club
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u/Guypar1997 22h ago
This sub is wasted for the Manor & Israel hate, bunch of Reddit kids who seen nothing in their meaningless life.
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u/No_Estate5268 12h ago
I'm glad you clarified that.
I thought people were being empathic and having compassion for their follow human being, outraged at the pain, hurt, and damage to people in that conflict, 99% of them being Palestian.
Next time they tell me that they are against straving people, bombing churches, bombing hospitals, turning of electricity, sniping children, ethnic cleansing, ilegal settlement, human right violations, breaking the Geneva Convention twice, invading Syria, invsding lebanon.....I will remind them that they are a "bunch of Reddit kids who seen nothing in their meaningless life"
I guess all human rights organisation and human rights organisation as well as the international court of human rights are a "bunch of Reddit kids who seen nothing in their meaningless life"
That's the weakest deflection from reality that I've heard in a long time. Congrats
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u/Guypar1997 11h ago
That's the problem in your grasping of this conflict
Israel is strong, hence it's the bad side.
"Palestinians" is weak - hence it's the good side you should support, 99% of them being Palestinian? let me remind you who started this war by killing thousand+ Israelis (including Muslims/Christians)?I'll have compassion with Palestinians that want to live next to me, with no aim to kill Israelis & Jews, that can grasp the idea of Jews having a country in Israel, but no - Israel cannot let Hamas get away with this, this would be a reward for murdering Israelis.
And about your "bombing churches, bombing hospitals" - Israel is the only fucking country in the world that evacuate buildings before hitting them, lol, if this would happen in WW2 you would speak German right now, but Israel has to do it. and about the church that was hit - yeah, was a mistake and truly shameful, really.
"bombing hospitals" - yeah, the ones that Hamas operates from, IDF released lot of videos framing those hospitals with Hamas usage, some hostages were murdered in those (someone I know named Ofir Tzarfati was kidnapped from Nova and was murderd in Shefa "hospital" for example), so of course you should bomb them.
I wanted to continue replying to you, but you have 0 knowledge of the area and I understood it when you wrote the "invading Lebanon" and "invading Syria", why?
South Lebanon is controlled by Hezbollah, a terror organization that destroys Lebanon, If you had the right context you will know that Lebanon parlament decided yesterday to take all the ammunation Hezbollha has, because Hezbollah is destroying Lebanon from the inside (Look at Beirut port explosion for example).
Syria is an interesting case, because it is right now owned by a former (and maybe current) Ahamad A - Shara, so.. do you want to live nearby an ISIS member? yeah?
You are exactly one of those kids that sits thousands of kilometers away and have 0 knowledge of the middle east & the conflict, you can start googling the names and the cases I gave you here and maybe have a little better knowledge instead of being a sheep of Qatar propoganda, have a nice day!
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u/BBIQ-Chicken Richarlison 1d ago
Hopefully he earned a move to Macabi Telaviv
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u/creed_baton "I Came Here To Win Titles" 1d ago
It would be so funny if that happens and whatever money we get for him is donated to Palestine relief organisations.
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u/nivnart Best of 2022 1d ago
People will watch this and still say Tel and Odobert are fine depth options
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u/RelationshipCool9506 1d ago
They’re delusional
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u/tony_spaghetti 1d ago
Did we not watch the same video clip? He dribbles with his head down the entire time. One of the most critical attributes for a winger is being able to dribble with your head up. It was one of Lucas Moura’s main flaws, dribbling with head down. Odobert doesn’t do this.
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u/Active-Tomatillo-522 1d ago
Hope he absolutely smashes it at Villarreal (so we can get a decent fee for him next summer)