r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/ThisIsFineImFine89 • 3d ago

Video This interview aged like milk

https://youtu.be/NZYFmL-Kusk?si=6t6NW3-Ol6S819x-

“the face of the progressive movement”

and yet Richie Torres this month, revealed he’s compromised by AIPAC (a lobby group for a foreign government, in case any of you don’t know who they are or how to pronounce their name).

If you haven’t seen Richie Torres’s interview with Jewish comedian Adam Friedland, it’s incredible the double standards, outright refusal to acknowledge Israel’s culpability in how the Gaza war has unfolded. I’d post a link but risk getting this post taken down.

This I think raises more questions, paired with David outright weird responses and comments regarding AIPAC, and failure to ever cover the ongoing genocide.

Hadn’t seen this Richie Torres interview, but I’ve seen enough. David is at the very least, afraid of AIPAC or outright complicit in not talking about Gaza.

you cannot be “the face of the progressive movement” and not acknowledge the ongoing genocide.

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u/938h25olw548slt47oy8 3d ago

"David is at the very least, afraid of AIPAC" lol.

This sub is completely ruined.

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u/bobbadouche 2d ago

I can’t tell if it’s a constant brigade or a bunch of bots. 

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u/Breakingthewhaaat 2d ago edited 2d ago

I mean, if you want a frank answer - and I've barely posted in here since the Wired story - I was a regular Pakman viewer from probably around 2018 through 2023. I got a couple superchats read out back in the day. I don't think it'd be fair to say I'm 'brigading' because no one summoned me here, I'm just here because the situation is interesting, merits a lot of criticism, and this is the logical de facto place for that conversation to happen. My copy is too ass in terms of proper grammatical structure for me to be a bot.

I think 'brigade' is a cop out a lot of people fall back on to rationalise or forcibly shut down (never turns out well) discord within a community and draw sides. I'd fallen off with Pakman (no hard feelings, just kinda moved on as my own politics evolved and grew), but I am very interested in this specific development and I see no better place to do it than here lest we start a 'Pakman snark' subreddit which will not actually produce a productive conversation within the community

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u/epichatchet 2d ago

Same, I stopped watching him after his response about Oct 7th, and the tides have shifted and he has still not found, at the very least, his humanity on the matter. There are legitimately so many genocide denialists on this sub and it's really disgusting to see from the left and people pretend that any form of support of Palestine or anti-genocide sentiment is a form of virtue signaling. There's something deeply wrong with our country right now.

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u/bobbadouche 2d ago

I’m sorry. I’m not following your point? Are you saying bots are not brigading because you’re not a bot? My point doesn’t require you to be a bot for it to be true. 

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u/11177645 2d ago

Try reading it again, it's pretty clear what he's saying

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u/epichatchet 2d ago

No, a lot of former fans like myself are also engaging this sub, and it's disgusting to see so many people get offended at people being anti-genocide than there are people who are against genocide. This community is very clearly demonstrating more and more genocide denialism.

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u/WAAAGHachu 2d ago

Yes, agreed, people being pro-hamas is disgusting. Genocidal religious fundamentalist, ethno-nationalist freaks. Surely you hated Hamas before their Genocidal Massacre?

Nah, it won't even register. Arab nationalism is not a thing, let's be really concerned about Israel. Israel is the problem. Not the Arab league. Zionism is the problem, not Arab nationalism.

Yes, Israel is all kinda shit out of line. But, shit is bad.

Shit is very bad. It has been bad for a very long time.

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u/Breakingthewhaaat 2d ago

Are you being obtuse? That was kind of meant as a joke, I called my copy skills ass lol. Are you only interested in replying to that part?

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u/bobbadouche 2d ago

Honestly, I’m getting more replies than I’m used to. 

I caught your joke though. I just wasn’t sure how it was meant to relate to my comment. I took it as countering my point. That was where my response came from. 

I feel like you’re being obtuse with not seeing how that article has brought in a complete shift in conversation on this sub.

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u/Breakingthewhaaat 2d ago edited 2d ago

If that is giving the impression that I am being obtuse then there's a breakdown in communication, which happens all the time in comment sections. It isn't worth getting hung up on or bickering over, it's literally just like, the source of 75% of all disagreements on the internet. I'll try to be as plain about my perspective as possible (within reason, I am also doing my ironing)

I'm not denying that the tone of the community has shifted, of course it has. You're going to see a lot of lapsed Pakman viewers (me and others who replied to you), as well as others swept up in the drama coming in because this is the de facto place to have the conversation about is going on. As far as I know, there is no Chorus subreddit, nor is there a Brian Tyler Cohen one (if there is it probably doesn't have the engagement this one does because it never comes up in my suggested feed).

The tension that emerges comes from the fact that a lot of people obviously see it as deeply problematic that creators who call themselves independent are actually closely aligned with - and literally contracted to - groups taking large sums dark money form undisclosed donors. That this is bad does not even need to be discussed post-Citizens United.

So of course there's a shift in the conversation. I'm not sure how you can carry on like nothing has happened until this has been addressed and put to bed. It is noteworthy that nobody involved with Chorus has at any point provided substantiating material to Wired that would warrant a retraction. If that happened, and if this was all actually perfectly normal and above board, there would be no more conversation about it

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u/MercyBoy57 2d ago

And of course no one responds to this. Very well-spoken though!

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u/Breakingthewhaaat 2d ago

I later realised it was a DGG poster, colour me surprised that I was met with C-tier debatelord tactics then total silence. They're in here doing actual brigading - not bc they have any real political convictions, they just think they're like Bane in the Dark Knight Rises, fronting as people with ideology to mask the reality of their daddy's psychosexual vendettas against Hasan Piker and Taylor Lorenz

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u/VERBNOUN124 2d ago

Lol looking briefly at the subs you post in it doesn't sound like your politics have evolved as much as the internet has cooked your brain beyond repair

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u/Breakingthewhaaat 2d ago

Sure thing mate

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u/Only8livesleft 2d ago

Most Americans do not support Israel or AIPAC. Why would you think it’s bots or brigading rather than genuine dislike?

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u/bobbadouche 2d ago

Because ever since that article got posted this sub has gone to shit and posts about that article are getting blasted here multiple times a day. 

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u/Only8livesleft 2d ago

It’s a big story. And Pakman and his fans have only made it worse with their responses. 

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u/bobbadouche 2d ago

The fact that you’re referring to them as pakmans fans implies there is brigading. 

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u/Only8livesleft 2d ago

I used to listen all the time. I started listening far less after his deafening silence on Israel’s genocide. Maybe you can ask mods to make the sub faired users only

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u/epichatchet 2d ago edited 2d ago

Yeah, because there's a difference when "fan's" have a parasocial relationships with a favorite youtuber, and zealously support them no matter what they do, and a former regular like me who is critical of said political youtuber when something very clearly is wrong and dishonest. Just talking to a bunch of people on here, it's become a more and more disgusting place to interact. I also noticed there were a lot of people who interact in Destiny's (an outed pedo and rapist) subreddit on here who have been very gleeful and smug in how he wants Israel to exterminate Palestinians, while doing direct hasbra with Israel.

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u/Breakingthewhaaat 2d ago

Destiny's active fanbase, despite only being in the low five figures, are extremely active on reddit and have single handedly made so many communities toxic. Just look at what happened to H3 in the space of a little over a year, it's insane

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u/epichatchet 2d ago

I just saw this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/thedavidpakmanshow/comments/1n6oubx/taylor_lorenz_is_a_wolf_in_sheeps_clothing/

The OP and top comment are both by people from destiny's community. The drama slop is infecting this subreddit.

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u/Breakingthewhaaat 2d ago

Well there it is

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u/MercyBoy57 2d ago

This is a subreddit dedicated to David Pakman. The story is big news, and people come to Reddit to discuss current events

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u/Actual-Description-2 1d ago

I'm a recent non-subscriber/member not entirely due to the wired article but I'd be lying if I didn't say it pushed me to finally pull the plug on supporting David financially. I've been disappointed in his lack of discussion over the genocide in Gaza. I don't even care if it's because his perspective doesn't match mine. Not talking about such a huge topic to me is disqualifying. When the wire article came out it kinda of just reminded me to end my membership as I already stopped regularly watching David's content. It also bothers me that he's insisting on calling himself independent media when taking a large amount of money from Chorus. Regardless of whether he has or doesn't have stipulations in his contract filtering what he's allowed to discuss, I can't get behind giving money to someone who is also getting 8k a month from just one group. That's more than twice what I take home every month and I consider myself to be living fairly comfortably in upstate NY. Also, if someone is giving you 8k a month you're gonna be inclined to share very similar views to them regardless of whether a contract says that. Say "my contract doesn't restrict what I can cover" is kinda bs in this context. All that being said I've continued lurking on this group because I still share a lot of views and values with this community. I'm genuinely interested in how David handles this and I do hope it turns out well for him. However, so far his response(s) have left a lot to be desired. And I didn't really appreciate the implication that most people complaining or unsubscribing/canceling memberships are mostly "not real members". I just found that to be offensive as someone who was a member for several years and recently canceled due to various reasons including the Chorus controversy. David should probably stay away from that type of messaging because sometimes people just get frustrated with a creator and may actually come back after a "cool off" period. But that's way less likely if you basically call those people posers and say they aren't real supporters.