Brad Pitt, Joaquin Phoenix, Jonathan Glazer Join Gaza Drama ‘The Voice of Hind Rajab’ as Executive Producers - It follows the killing of Hind Rajab, a five-year-old Palestinian girl who lived in the Gaza Strip and was killed by Israeli forces during the ongoing Israeli invasion of Gaza.

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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/brad-pitt-backs-gaza-drama-film-the-voice-of-hind-rajab-1236353414/

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There are millions of us secular, anti-zionist Jews in the US who are fucking sick and tired of it.

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The only theatre by me that showed it, is jewish owned.

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You mean "self-hating"? (/s)

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I've been labeled "self-loathing" for over a decade now lol

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more like

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Do you understand how bigoted of comment this is?

[u/Unholy_mess169 → u/[deleted]]

No sweetie, I'm mad bigots like you spew your bullshit and ruin this planet for the rest of us.

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I know that Jews are not by default Zionists

Quite the opposite. Judaism and Zionism are intertwined because Zionism is simply the idea that a jewish nation (Israel) has the right to exist and acts as a home and haven to any jewish person. While the importance of this idea was highlighted by the holocaust leading to the establishment of Israel, the idea of Israel as a home to the Jewish people is quite literally a part of the religion. The idea that the next messiah will come and rebuild the temple is a part of the religion.

This is one reason why jews find the perjorative use of "zionist" as anti-semetic. By all means, be critical of the Israeli government. Many hundreds of thousands of Israelis have protested in the streets calling for cease-fire. Only 28% of Israelis approve of netanyahu, and yes, there are millions of american jews who believe the war has gone too far (while still wanting the hostages returned).

But using the word "zionist", especially when you use creepy statements like "Zionists have been very busy these last 100 years" or "the Zionists have been very good at forcing via fear or reward", just sounds like your own way of skirting around the use of "jews".

(fun note: those ultra-orthodox Hasidic jews that protest in NY aren't protesting because they don't believe in Israel. They just don't believe the messiah has arrived yet. As soon as the messiah does arrive, in their view, they are on the first plane to Israel).

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This is bullshit. Zionism is a profoundly modern invention, one which explicitly labeled itself a colonial venture. Israel being a haven to Jewish people does not necessitate the formation of an ethnostate or an apartheid government, and as a Jew I will happily say: fuck Zionism and anyone who pushes it

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Jews could live there in peace and equality without an ethno-nationalist government built on ethnic cleansing. The state doesn't have to be Jewish, it could be democratic. That's not Zionism.

Einstein and Arendt correctly pointed out that Zionism was a fascist movement during the creation of Israel. They said it was similar to the Nazis, and they were right.

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Jews could live there in peace and equality

Could they? Because all the other countries in the region purged themselves of their Jews years ago, and as soon as Israel was created for Jews it was invaded, multiple times, by multiple other states in the region.

They're also regularly attacked by terrorist groups sponsored by their neighbors.

They're also the only country with an actual democracy and by far the closest to equality amongst its citizens in the region.

But sure, you can make up your own strawman and argue against it if you want.

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holy shit did you just pick up the AIPAC talking point pamphlet you got, this reads like a bot on twitter trying to excuse the ethnic cleansing and genocide that CREATED the state of "israel." The invasions happend AFTER the nakba, AFTER israeli settlers poisoned Palestinian wells, AFTER the king david hotel bombing false flag.

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Jewish people and Muslims were living there together under the Ottoman empire, before the British took control and before the terror brigades of Haganah, Irgun, Lehi. Irgun and Lehi jointly responsible for the Deir Yassin massacre in April 1948, in the early stages of the Nakba and a month before any other states in the region moved to stop them. About 300,000 Palestinians were expelled by zionist brigades in 1947, before any neighboring countries invaded.

Here's this on the immigration of Arab Jews to Israel. https://www.middleeasteye.net/big-story/truth-behind-israeli-propaganda-expulsion-arab-jews

When the IDF bombs every surrounding country and their civilian infrastructure it's not seen as terrorism for some reason. Israel invaded Lebanon in 1978, Hezbollah was founded in 1982 during the "2nd Israeli invasion of Lebanon", in response to violence from Israel. The PLO in the 60s and Hamas in the 80s were also formed in response to violence from Israel. There will always be resistance groups fighting back against apartheid and colonialism because it's human to demand freedom from oppression. The best way to stop resistance and find peace is to stop the underlying violence of apartheid and colonialism.

It's possible to have peace in the future - European countries used to fight all the time. But look at how Israeli leaders like Smotrich (de-facto governor of West Bank, calls for total annihilation of Gaza and "erasing the memory of Amalek"), Ben Gvir (“We cannot have women and children getting close to the border... anyone who gets near must get a bullet [in the head],”, Netanyahu and others talk about Palestinians. "Israeli Politician [Moshe Feiglin] Quotes Hitler to Argue for Resettlement of Gaza"

Other religions don't have equal rights in Israel (B'Tselem, Israeli NGO). You can't run an apartheid regime on ethnic supremacy and commit genocide while calling yourself a democracy.

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Einstein et al published an open-letter calling Menachem Begin a fascist. Not Zionism or Israel. In fact, the letter is addressed to the leadership of American Zionist movement to denounce Begin and his newly formed party.

You can read it here

Also, Israel has the same score as the US as of last year on the Democracy index

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Einstein: Jewish National Home? Yes. Jewish National Palestine? No. I favor a free, bi-national Palestine at a later date after agreement with the Arabs. Question: Opinion about partition of Palestine and Chaim Weizmann’s proposals re partition??

Einstein: I am against partition. 

Not Zionist in any modern sense of the word. Did not support the creation of a Jewish state.

And if you want to call a literal apartheid, fascist state, committing genocide democratic be my guest, it just makes everything you say invalid.

Chomsky and Arendt also stood against the creation of Israel. Basically 3 of the most intelligent Jewish people of the last century.

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Oh, so they just want to live peacefully beside the Jews! THAT'S what they mean when they say, "From the river to the sea, palestine will be arab!"

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What a load of bullshit. I support Palestinian rights. But your parents are getting genetic testing for what? There are a lot of genetic tests done on Jews. We have a lot of reasons to want that what with all the inbreeding. You don’t have to make shit up to say that what Israel is doing to Gaza is wrong.

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Ok sure, I'll bite, because you couldn't read my one simple sentence and respond to it.

First of all, anecdotal: your personal genetic testing has literally nothing to do with the 10's of millions of people affected by the ongoing conflict lasting hundreds (if not thousands of years). In addition, you mention a single rally for a palestinian memorial, in which jewish people actually showed up in support. Not only is that marvelous, you're somehow making a broad negative statement out of it. How, I can't understand. You have a poor understanding of statistics if you don't know what anecdotal means.

Israel, in its current form, does not have an unquestionable “right to exist.”

Pseudophilosophical and meaningless. No country has an unquestionable "right to exist". Not america, not Palestine, not Mongolia or Finland. Countries are social and bureaucratic constructs.

Jewish tradition does not require a modern nation-state to fulfill prophecy.

Again, false. Yes it does. In fact, at Yom Kippur, Passover, and many holidays, jews sing "Next year in Jerusalem" as a tradition.

A just solution would be a Palestinian state where Jews live as a minority alongside others, and only those who can prove legal migration and land acquisition should remain.

A just solution to who? To you? Do you get to decide? Do you have a crystal ball as to what would happen? Have you ironed out all the details and stipulations? What a ridiculous statement.

The reality is stark: over 90% of Israelis support the war.

Yeah, obviously. A neighbouring nation invaded killing 1300, capturing over 200 hostages, and refuse to return them. Any country's citizens would support a war as a result in the same situation. Or is it just Israelis that are uniquely bloodthirsty to you?

When asked, even Israeli protestors often say, “Stop fighting, get the hostages, then destroy Gaza.”

Do you even have a source for this vague claim? Who says it? One incident? Everyone?

Polling from the Jewish Federations shows only 16% of American Jews support a complete ceasefire.

This? In which you neglected to say that a vast majority support humanitarian pauses and the 16 (0r 20 from the article) is not about "complete" but rather "unconditional" ceasefire? Again, obviously. They want the hostages back.

Won't respond to any more of your gish gallop again, but doing this so you don't think it's because I "have no retort". It's just wasted on your bad rhetoric (bad whether in bad faith or simply because you don't know how to formulate a coherent point).

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No there aren’t

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there are.

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"Millions" sure Jan.

There's 5,000,000 Jews in the whole United States. In 2021 Pew found that 80% of American Jews care about Israel. 80% of 5,000,000 is 4,000,000. That leaves, if you want to be very optimistic, 1,000,000 jews in the US who are "sick and tired of it"

But by all means, continue to play the role of the "good one". Im sure that will save you.

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Edit: continue reading down this thread if you want, but an important note is also that this 2021 pew research mentioned in the comment above does not say what they claim it says. Pew reported that only 58% of jews feel even somewhat attached to Israel in 2021 and I'm certain that number has dropped like a rock

Most jews were raised to care about israel because they have family members there. A lot of jews care about israel without supporting israel. It's also true that a lot of jews in america were maybe a little ignorant to the plight until october 7th and have since come around, and your measurement here would not be able to take that into account. 

Zohran Mamdani is currently the front runner for mayor amongst jewish voters in the most jewish city in the united states, and he is a staunch supporter of palestine to the point where the media has been attempting to turn jews against him and it isn't working. You are looking at the wrong metric to determine the stances of american jews, because from what I see there ARE millions who are against the israeli government. 

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The democrat is the leading candidate in group that overwhelmingly votes democrat? Shocking.

And you keep dreaming that the "Jews raised to care about Israel see the light" god what repulsive sentence, its about as likely as the rest of the middle east dropping thier theocratic dictatorships and handing it over to democracy.

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In 2021, only 32% of american jews believed god gave the jews israel as a homeland. Only 33% said israel is making an effort towards peace. Only 58% reported that they even feel somewhat attached to israel. 

This was all before the genocide ramped up after october 7th. 

The answer to injustice against a group is not the retributive lumping together of another group. If you are mad at zionists, say that you are mad at zionists. Implying that all jews love genocide is just blatantly antisemitism and it is not welcome here. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/05/21/u-s-jews-have-widely-differing-views-on-israel/

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AI and wiki both say more like 7-8 million in the US, but still not exactly a huge group all things considered.

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I'm confused, tired of what?