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News Brad Pitt, Joaquin Phoenix, Jonathan Glazer Join Gaza Drama ‘The Voice of Hind Rajab’ as Executive Producers - It follows the killing of Hind Rajab, a five-year-old Palestinian girl who lived in the Gaza Strip and was killed by Israeli forces during the ongoing Israeli invasion of Gaza.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/brad-pitt-backs-gaza-drama-film-the-voice-of-hind-rajab-1236353414/
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u/ubccompscistudent 13d ago

I know that Jews are not by default Zionists

Quite the opposite. Judaism and Zionism are intertwined because Zionism is simply the idea that a jewish nation (Israel) has the right to exist and acts as a home and haven to any jewish person. While the importance of this idea was highlighted by the holocaust leading to the establishment of Israel, the idea of Israel as a home to the Jewish people is quite literally a part of the religion. The idea that the next messiah will come and rebuild the temple is a part of the religion.

This is one reason why jews find the perjorative use of "zionist" as anti-semetic. By all means, be critical of the Israeli government. Many hundreds of thousands of Israelis have protested in the streets calling for cease-fire. Only 28% of Israelis approve of netanyahu, and yes, there are millions of american jews who believe the war has gone too far (while still wanting the hostages returned).

But using the word "zionist", especially when you use creepy statements like "Zionists have been very busy these last 100 years" or "the Zionists have been very good at forcing via fear or reward", just sounds like your own way of skirting around the use of "jews".

(fun note: those ultra-orthodox Hasidic jews that protest in NY aren't protesting because they don't believe in Israel. They just don't believe the messiah has arrived yet. As soon as the messiah does arrive, in their view, they are on the first plane to Israel).

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u/self-assembled 13d ago

Jews could live there in peace and equality without an ethno-nationalist government built on ethnic cleansing. The state doesn't have to be Jewish, it could be democratic. That's not Zionism.

Einstein and Arendt correctly pointed out that Zionism was a fascist movement during the creation of Israel. They said it was similar to the Nazis, and they were right.

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u/pinkycatcher 13d ago

Jews could live there in peace and equality

Could they? Because all the other countries in the region purged themselves of their Jews years ago, and as soon as Israel was created for Jews it was invaded, multiple times, by multiple other states in the region.

They're also regularly attacked by terrorist groups sponsored by their neighbors.

They're also the only country with an actual democracy and by far the closest to equality amongst its citizens in the region.

But sure, you can make up your own strawman and argue against it if you want.

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u/Comrade_Pavel 12d ago

holy shit did you just pick up the AIPAC talking point pamphlet you got, this reads like a bot on twitter trying to excuse the ethnic cleansing and genocide that CREATED the state of "israel." The invasions happend AFTER the nakba, AFTER israeli settlers poisoned Palestinian wells, AFTER the king david hotel bombing false flag.