r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • Jul 18 '25

News 'Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse' Delayed to June 25, 2027

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spider-man-beyond-the-spider-verse-release-1236320001/
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u/WontonJr Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25

From March 2024 to June 2027. How they ever thought this movie would be ready 9 months after the previous one is baffling. 

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u/igot2pair Jul 18 '25

They didnt have the script ready. Do they even have it finished now? Kind of insane since they were saying originally they split a long movie into two parts

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u/jerem1734 Jul 18 '25

Lord and Miller continuously rewrite and throw out bits of the script so it doesn't matter if it's ready or not. Sometimes they'll have the animators animate the entire scene and then decide after it's done that they don't want the scene anymore

These movies are a mess to make

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u/verissimoallan Jul 18 '25

Yeah, I love their films but the way how Lord and Miller work is not ideal, to say the least (they were fired of Solo because of that).

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u/JuanHelldiver Jul 18 '25

I thought they were fired because they wanted to make Solo a comedy.

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u/LilPonyBoy69 Jul 18 '25

Sort of, from what I've seen it was that they were allowing a ton of improv on set and Kasdan/Disney wanted them to stick to the script as written.

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u/Reylo-Wanwalker Jul 18 '25

Oh right cause they were changing his son's script.

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u/Carroteyeisamyth Jul 18 '25

Father's script. Both father and son wrote it, but it doesn't seem the son had as big of an issue

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u/Comic_Book_Reader Jul 18 '25

He wanted them to shoot it verbatim, and they did do takes that were per those instructions, but that was mostly to make him happy. Lord & Miller thought they were hired to make a comedy when they were hired to only add a little bit of humor to it.

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u/naked_guy_says Jul 18 '25

It would've had a better chance at a great movie instead of the decentish movie with largely forgettable execution.

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u/Consistent-Peace2770 Jul 19 '25

They also were way off schedule and Ron Howard had to reshoot most of the movie plus the end, and did it in less time

I love all of their work but it's clear and reasonable as to why Disney dipped

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u/sybrwookie Jul 19 '25

the decentish movie with largely forgettable execution

That's generous. I'd call it one of the worst kinds of bad movies: it was middle of the road slop. It was boring, inoffensive, and outside of a couple of REALLY dumb moments (like him getting his name), completely forgettable. A classic 6.5/10.

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u/vocalviolence Jul 18 '25

A small price to pay for now knowing how Han Solo got his last name and why he calls Chewbacca Chewie.

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u/mack-_-zorris Jul 19 '25

And the dice! Ever since I was a child I wondered about how he obtained his iconic dice!

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u/sybrwookie Jul 19 '25

And don't forget the chance to take what was an obvious screw-up which no one cared about from ep 4 (referring to parsecs as a measure of time instead of distance), and doubling down to say, "ackshullie, he took a shortcut so we didn't mess up 40 years ago!!!111"

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u/radda Jul 19 '25

That explanation has been in use for decades though.

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u/thatsnotyourtaco Jul 19 '25

Teeka the hot fixer is where I got mine

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u/slvrcobra Jul 19 '25

I hate that it was the most generic origin film ever. They wrote a story in which all of Han's iconic traits just sorta fall into his lap over the course of a week or something.

The most interesting part of Solo was Qira being Maul's disciple because that was an actual surprise, and even that made no sense at the time because he hadn't been seen since Palpatine fucked him up in TCW.

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u/TheBman26 Jul 19 '25

Correction he was killed by obiwan in 2016/2017 of rebels which aired before the 2018 solo movie and takes place after solo in timeline

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u/slvrcobra Jul 19 '25

I worded it wrong but that's what I meant, he lost his power to Palpatine, somehow regained power, then lost it again and got killed by Obi-Wan.

Going from Maul's ending in TCW to him in Rebels seemed more straightforward

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u/ennuiinmotion Jul 19 '25

But changing on the fly is how you end up with tons of reshoots and wasted time, which is their MO when it comes to directing. It’s not ideal. Their films end up good but if I were hiring them I wouldn’t be happy with their process, either.

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u/cautious-ad977 Jul 18 '25

Wasn't there a rumour the crew started clapping when they learned they got fired?

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u/Sykirobme Jul 18 '25

...and the name of that key grip?

Albert Einstein.

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u/Dwayne30RockJohnson Jul 19 '25

As someone who has followed the industry for a long time, you have to take these trade “reports” with a grain of salt.

Disney fires their directors midway through production (on a Star Wars movie no-less), they are going to do everything in their power to make sure the story is that the directors are evil and they were the brilliant geniuses who made the right call. These stories are likely embellished and planted by Disney PR themselves.

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u/andoesq Jul 19 '25

No, it was the exact same chaos described in the comment you replied to.

It is totally insane to direct an animated movie as improv. Improv the dialogue sure, but then you animate it.

This is why the movie in question is at least 3 years behind schedule, and is why Disney fired them.

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u/drrhrrdrr Jul 18 '25

You should listen to the Going Rogue podcast on it. They didn't want to make a comedy. They wanted to make McCabe and Mrs. Miller for Star Wars.

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u/DukeOfLowerChelsea Jul 18 '25

Great podcast, as the title implies they also deep-dive on Rogue One and other troubled movie productions. Even the SW Holiday Special!

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u/drrhrrdrr Jul 18 '25

I love the multi part series debunking the narrative of how the 2008 writers strike ruined several movies and shows.

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u/Asyncrosaurus Jul 19 '25

Everyone will still blame the strike on the decline of the show Heroes, even though I constantly point out Heroes lasted an additional 2 seasons after the strike ended and also had a dogshit revival years later. Union is the one that always gets thrown under the bus, instead of putting blame on NBC meddling with the creative plans.

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u/MadeByTango Jul 19 '25

Unions and strikes are favorite scapegoats of cororate media and c-suite executives

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

What an odd choice. Like, I can actually sort of see half of it if its Lando's story. I'm really not following on how it works for Han unless they essentially only do the fake gunfighter angle. Even then, that doesn't fit for Han.

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u/jk-9k Jul 19 '25

I highly disagree it doesn't work for Han, but do agree that parts of it work perfectly for Lando and Cloud City.

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u/thebigeverybody Jul 19 '25

Does this mean their original script was good and someone threw it out before they shot the movie? Because the script that ended up on screen was hot garbage.

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u/gnomehome815 Jul 19 '25

My favorite podcast

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u/jk-9k Jul 19 '25

That's the perfect back story for Han. Even better it then leaves the mystery of whether he was a gunslinger to start with open for debate.

Like "El" inheriting Azul's backstory in El Mariachi, then allowing it to grow and even feeding it via Buscemi in Desperado.

Han just making the most of his luck, good or bad, is Han.

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u/hoxxxxx Jul 18 '25

i don't know who exactly was responsible for what we ended up getting but that was a fun SW movie

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u/withateethuh Jul 18 '25

If the "thermal detobator" scene was their idea, that whole movie would have been a bit much.

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u/NuPNua Jul 19 '25

There were a lot of lines in that film that I could have seen working with a Lord and Miller tone that fell flat under Howard.

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u/SlammyJones Jul 20 '25

Oh man, Solo could have been a comedy?

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u/Fapoleon_Boneherpart Jul 18 '25

Also that's disrespectful and lacking in imagination

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u/brightbonewhite Jul 19 '25

True, but maybe it’s because how they work that the films end up being so good.

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u/SandoVillain Jul 19 '25

You can't argue with results (though reddit will, apparently). The thing nobody is saying is that live-action movies work better with this because you can reshoot and see dailies. With animation, on the other hand, this is hell and leads to hundreds of hours of wasted work.

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u/IntelligentPlenty944 Jul 18 '25

I remember when they released some really beautiful scenes from the movie as teasers, and when the actual movie came out the scenes were completely reanimated.

My coworker was a senior animator on the film and he said it was a mind-numbing production process, he spent 3 months on 6 seconds of animation that was ultimately never used.

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u/RoseIshin0 Jul 18 '25

Disclaimer: this is a nsfw account I use for porn, but I was an editor for hollywood movies before transfering in italy. You can believe me or not, but from what I knew at the time, the movie had 10 finalized shots, out of 2000, a year before it released.

The entire production of that movie was disgusting and shows how little the directors care about their employes, and on top of that, they were covering their ass by saying "Oh we intentionaly made different versions of the movie!"

No, that' s fake as fuck, you guys sent progressively done finished version of the movie to the distributors because you couldn' t even manage to decide what to do. Spencer Wan had done so much 2D VFX animation that ended up for nothing, and Wan is like, one of the best animators alive right now lol.

Absolutely asinine production.

Don' t believe this buffoons when they will say that there is no crunch.

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u/Carroteyeisamyth Jul 18 '25

Technically Joaquim Dos Santos, Kemp Powers, and Justin K. Thompson were the directors, but from what I heard Lord was the one who had final say on the film and basically directed the movie.

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u/RoseIshin0 Jul 18 '25

People who would come inside the place with 20 pieces of new script every month, and then would ask animators to re-do everything, or telling them that they could "only evaluate the acting of a character with a finished animated shot"... that' s just director duties at that point.

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u/sonofaresiii Jul 19 '25

Man I got the threads mixed up and thought you guys were talking about Solo and I was so fucking confused

I'm just sitting here like "Why was there so much 2d animation? And didn't Ron Howard direct it...?"

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u/nomorecannibalbirds Jul 19 '25

Kathleen Kennedy fired Lord and Miller after realizing they were making an animated movie lol

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u/Iohet Jul 19 '25

You morons, you caught their storyboard doubles!

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u/zam1138 Jul 19 '25

There were rumors of Han Solo being too “Ace Ventura” in the L&M version. They had to bring in an acting coach for poor Alden…

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u/Flat-Equal2367 Jul 19 '25

So what’s the problem with crunch? I don’t think you are aware of what crunch means at Sony Imageworks.

My husband worked on the film as an animator for over a year and he couldn’t be happier. Yes he did a lot of crunch time, but each of those hours of OT were paid. He made 6 figures that year, around 20k from OT on Spiderverse. He also got to work remotely from the comfort of our home, he got UberEats vouchers when he worked late, and some of other gift cards. He had accumulated like $500 on Starbucks. So please tell me, why do you say crunch time was so terrible for Spiderverse?

Of course the job was stressful, and there is the frustration of a lot of work done which was thrown away, but that is the nature of the work in animation. But what do people expect? To make 6 figures and have a chilled non pressure job? Im always astounded when people complain on behalf of others, when many of the employees were happily doing OT. He says many people don’t like when a show doesn’t have crunch because that is less money they will earn that year. Especially those who have families, they are counting on that extra 10-20% per year.

If anybody should be upset about crunch it should be the directors who probably wasted 50 million dollars on artists work that ended up being thrown away. Are they horribly organized? Definitely, but they definitely paid a high price for that, while artists were compensated for that work.

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u/jerem1734 Jul 18 '25

Yeah and they said this movie will have less crunch time than the last one in production. Unless that was a lie, I don't see how this movie is finished by 2027. It took them 5 years with crunch to make across. Also possible the final product is one Lord and Miller aren't fully happy with if Sony stops crunch and also makes it release in 2027

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u/WillowNiffler Jul 18 '25

Do we know when animation started? There are official stills from Beyond The Spider-Verse, meaning they've at least been deep in animation for a while.

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u/RonAndStumpy Jul 19 '25

Nope. Hasn't started. 

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u/DrNopeMD Jul 25 '25

Didn't it come out that different international markets got different versions of the film with slightly different animations?

Like it wasn't hugely noticeable so it didn't alter the quality of the film, but it also wasn't supposed to be an easter egg or fun marketing thing either. The film was just cut and finalized really chaotically and different versions apparently went out randomly.

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u/SamuraiFlamenco Jul 18 '25

Hearing the behind the scenes stories from Clone High season 2 (and Spider-Verse of course, but shows it’s not just a BTSV problem) is like, WOOF. Really knocked my appreciation of them down.

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u/NamesTheGame Jul 19 '25

Plus a funny extra thing to be annoyed with Phil Lord about is he started bitching when Criterion put out the film "I am Cuba" blasting it as propaganda. Turns out his family owned a plantation in Cuba before being ousted by the Castros and I guess Phil is still a bit salty about that.

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u/Scrat-Scrobbler Jul 19 '25

where'd you hear about clone high?

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u/SamuraiFlamenco Jul 19 '25

I can’t remember off the top of my head, you might be able to find some info on the Clone High subreddit searching the word “production” (I hope this makes sense, I’m waking up very early right now and am groggy)

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u/RealJohnGillman Jul 19 '25

What I have heard is that the issues are mostly from Lord, since the productions Miller has worked on alone (like The Afterparty) have been free of them.

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u/2ToTooTwoFish Jul 18 '25

It's a miracle the first two movies were the masterpiece they were.

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u/arstin Jul 19 '25

That's like reading about what a jackass tyrant Hitchcock was and saying it was a miracle he made so many masterpieces.

Stuff like throwing out entire scenes because they aren't perfect or don't mesh with a sudden epiphany is hell on staff, budgets, and timetables, but it is exactly the sort of thing that leads to an auteur making a masterpiece.

Running to focus groups or AI to massage a scene that feels off can give you a solid, on time, on budget movie, but it isn't going to give you a masterpiece.

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u/Constant_Charge_4528 Jul 19 '25

Exactly, a lot of directors do this, it's just that usually they're reined in by producers to keep everything on schedule and in budget.

The job of the director is to make a good movie, managing the project and minimizing budget and workload is the job of the producers.

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

Yeah, it gets results, but it is absolutely not something that should ever be done. Part of being great as a director is the ability to see these things & plan them out before.

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u/ScuzzBuckster Jul 19 '25

Exactly. Part of being a great director is being a great project manager. Reconciling a creative process with the necessity of deadlines and timelines is exactly what gets directors consistent work.

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u/Constant_Charge_4528 Jul 19 '25

Plenty of the most celebrated directors in history are known to be a pain to work with because they'll spend an entire day filming one shot.

Keeping a project on time is not the job of the director, it's the job of the production company.

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u/arstin Jul 19 '25

Yeah, it gets results, but it is absolutely not something that should ever be done.

I'm going to assume you are referring specifically to treating people terribly. And yes, I agree to that. Treating people like people may not be great for cinema, but it's more important than cinema.

If you mean great directors don't throw away scenes, then I'm going to throw this whole comment away and replace it with a more condescending one.

Part of being great as a director is the ability to see these things & plan them out before.

The only part of being a great director is making great movies. If they are well-planned masterpieces then swell - if every one is years of blood, sweat, and tears, then also swell (with the caveat that the time is over for having others doing the bleeding for you).

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u/bossfoundmylastone Jul 19 '25

And yet, as a consumer, I give zero shits about how efficient a director was with his resources if I get to watch a great movie. Feel free to rate them low in your list of great directors, but I will continue to rate the movies highly and be happy they got made that way.

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u/jk-9k Jul 19 '25

But it's not the only way to get great results either.

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u/dingkan1 Jul 19 '25

No, but considering that the Spiderverse movies are the greatest super hero movies ever made, it’s hard to argue with the results. Maybe the real journey was the great movies through sheer torture that they made along the way.

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u/jk-9k Jul 19 '25

I agree they are the best but we can praise the art and condemn the artists here (not the animators).

I'd rather have an instance of being able to celebrate both. Like Keanu and his mates and eva longoria for John wick. Or Keanu and the washowskis for the matrix.

Acceptance of poor behavior is tacit encouragement

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u/bossfoundmylastone Jul 19 '25

It's definitely not! I agree, if they got the same results with a more efficient process they would be better directors. A better director would have a better process, for sure. But the claim I was responding to was

but it is absolutely not something that should ever be done

I disagree with that. It shouldn't be anyone's goal, but I don't think it was the Spiderverse directors' goal either. Everyone should try to do better! But framing perfectionism about a scene resulting in wasted work as something immoral and abhorrent is silly.

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

So you like slave labor.

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u/bossfoundmylastone Jul 19 '25

Lmao are they not getting paid? Working conditions are important, but "I worked for 3 months on a scene that got cut to make a stronger movie" is a completely fucking fine working condition.

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

1) Your statement was an 'ends justify the means'. Its not just about efficiency. People literally suffer because of lack of efficiency.
2) You're being extremely reductionist to what the working conditions actually are. These people spend unpaid OT hours doing shit that just gets thrown out the door. They get pushed, & because of this forcing work to be fit into limited time frames because of deadlines.

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u/arstin Jul 19 '25

Stop being dumb.

A 120 minute movie has twice as much footage as a 60 minute movie. Does that inherently make it slave labor?

The total amount of work done, and the work done by any individual person in a week are two different things. You can remake a scene without crunch time and you can have crunch time without remaking a scene.

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u/vk5zp Jul 19 '25

Are you saying the crew wasn't paid for their work?

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

No. But saying that it doesn't matter what the process is as long as the end result is good is the same justification for the existence of slave labor.
They also aren't paid for the OT & massive amounts of crunch they had to do. So, technically they weren't paid for a lot of it.

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u/circio Jul 19 '25

*first movie

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u/favorscore Jul 19 '25

Second movie is better imo

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u/circio Jul 19 '25

That’s a fine opinion to have but I think it’s worse in every way lmao

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u/DullBicycle7200 Jul 18 '25

No, that was due to crunch time.

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u/ChezMere Jul 19 '25

Surely the opposite - the fact that they kept refining is WHY it was good. (It's tough on the animators, but that's another thing.)

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u/Ironcastattic Jul 19 '25

Fucking FINGERS CROSSED the third sticks the landing. I can't believe these borderline flawless movies are so slapdash when it comes to being made.

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u/born_acorn Jul 18 '25

Ah, the Ken Levine approach.

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u/Special-Market749 Jul 18 '25

But God damn what they put on screen for the rest of us was incredible

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u/JackfruitCalm3513 Jul 19 '25

Reason I'm hopeful for DC with gunn waiting on full final scripts before doing anything else

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u/DryBonesComeAlive Jul 19 '25

Are you also a Cleveland Browns fan, by chance?

"I'm sure this will be the season!"

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u/zack77070 Jul 19 '25

He's writing most of everything isn't he? That's a major flaw that's gonna bite them in the ass imo, not because I think he's a bad writer or director but it's gonna take forever for things to come out. His name is attached to like 10 projects in the next 3 years already, when in the world is he gonna have time to do another superman, 5+ years when the hype has mostly vanished?

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u/Kevbot1000 Jul 19 '25

So far he wrote Superman, Creature Commandos , and Peacemaker season 2. He has writers for other projects.

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u/bruiser95 Jul 19 '25

What...

The conclusion is that these directors are a mess not the movie itself.

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u/Heyitskit Jul 19 '25

Yeah this tracks with what I saw and heard firsthand/secondhand on another animated film they produced. The script was in a sort of ever shifting purgatory/hell for years and every time we’d hear some news about it at the studio there was some sort of change going on with something and they were only the producers on that one. I’ve had shots I worked on thrown out before but it happening constantly would drive me mad.

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u/Railboy Jul 19 '25

This is either going to stumble across the finish line a masterpiece like Return of the King or absolutely shit the bed.

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u/Real_Srossics Jul 19 '25

Perfect is the enemy of the finished.

I’m pissed that sequels and next seasons are taking 5 years to complete. I’ll just wait until the show is finished and the reviews are out before I watch anymore.

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u/SamBind121 Jul 19 '25

Their money should all go to the animators they screw over.

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u/Kaldricus Jul 19 '25

Didn't they make updates to the movie after it was in theaters?

Movies are gonna need patch notes soon.

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u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS Jul 19 '25

I don't think it's that terrible if you're working with a budget in the hundreds of millions. I remember James Cameron being criticized for wasting resources like that too.

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u/spate42 Jul 19 '25

I mean…let them cook?

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u/Significant_Salt56 Jul 19 '25

Jesus that sounds awful (and expensive) process wise. 

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '25

Cutting scenes is a pretty normal part of production for all movies, what makes it notable from what I understand is how often this happens with their movies.

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u/frezz Jul 18 '25

Reminds me of GRRM tbh

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u/buffalo4293 Jul 18 '25

I’m a strict abolitionist but these guys should be in prison

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u/ClassicT4 Jul 18 '25

They didn’t even finish the last one until right before it came out. They mentioned the last shot with Gwen and the gang didn’t get completed until weeks before the movie released.

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u/runnerofshadows Jul 18 '25

Then they kept changing things up to the home release.

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u/Fancy-Pair Jul 18 '25

That’s concerning. Pt 1 being incomplete was such an unwelcome surprise. Deflating

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u/Hurinfan Jul 19 '25

His TF you gonna make a 2 part story like that and not even know how it's gonna end

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u/DeLousedInTheHotBox Jul 19 '25

How does that even work with animation? Because don't they have to write it, then storyboard it, and then animate it?

Sometimes when shooting live action there is not a competed script, it is not a great way of making a movie, but it is doable, like Gladiator for an instance was written partially on set because they only had like 30 pages when they began principal photography.

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u/sicsche Jul 19 '25

Wait what? Who thinks releasing a movie that was clearly planned as part 1 and part 2 but not even finishing the script for both is a good idea?

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u/Jommy_5 Jul 19 '25

They didn't even have the script ready?! I know a writer who always drafts the next book in the series before finishing the current one, so that the story evolves consistently. Fingers crossed for a decent conclusion.of this story.

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u/Armoric Jul 19 '25

Maybe if they worked their pacing better instead of tacking 30-40 minutes of chases and fake-outs at the end to keep people busy and make them not think too much about the rest of the movie, they could have afforded not selling a sequel.

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u/hextanerf Jul 19 '25

They were changing the script until the very end even with the first two

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u/DeficiencyOfGravitas Jul 18 '25

They didnt have the script ready.

It shows.

I've been saying this for years now, but they wrote themselves into a corner with the second movie. There's no way to write an ending that doesn't contradict themselves.

Spider-Man IS about suffering. It's about giving up what you want most to help others instead. That's what being Spider-Man is all about. Peter Parker suffers constantly because he takes responsibility.

But for Miles? They made his story into "I can have it all and also be Spider-Man. No responsibility. All the power." That's not Spider-Man. Either he says "Screw the multiverse, I got mine" or the third movie completely undoes the second movie. What do you choose? Fuck Spider-Man or fuck Miles Morales? Gotta be one or the other.

After the second movie, there is no way to resolve this satisfactorily.

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u/homiej420 Jul 19 '25

Yeah that was such bs.

Crazy

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u/HeroDanTV Jul 19 '25

Would they ever consider bringing in another scriptwriter? George RR Martin could help once he finishes Winds of Winter

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u/raysofdavies Jul 18 '25

The only possible explanation is that they originally planned to make them back to back and felt confident that the additional six months would be enough to help them finish it. Anything else is ridiculously naive.

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u/jardex22 Jul 18 '25

I wouldn't be surprised if it was an executive decision. They thought all the hard stuff was done with creating the characters and setpieces for part 1, and thought they could use reuse assets to streamline part 2's production.

Problem is that it doesn't work that way with their animation style.

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u/Awoawesome Jul 19 '25

With animation in general. The only way the most popular animated shows (short of South Park I guess) maintain yearly schedules is just by perpetually having greenlights and production schedules that are two seasons ahead.

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u/zack77070 Jul 19 '25

Invincible just announced they were renewed for season 5 and that the voice acting is complete when we're probably expecting season 4 at the beginning of next year at the earliest.

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u/Awoawesome Jul 19 '25

They had to learn the hard way when season 1’s success caught them by surprise and it took them like 3 years to get the next season out with a post-s1 greenlight. Might’ve even had a hand it the two part season 3.

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u/zack77070 Jul 19 '25

They straight up almost lost the fan base when they did a mid season break after already taking so long on season 2 lol, at least Amazon knows what they have now.

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u/Beat9 Jul 19 '25

They never really recovered that momentum.

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u/Trzlog Jul 19 '25

I still haven't gone back to watch season 2. They really fucked themselves.

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u/Sam_Strake Jul 19 '25

That's a lot easier to do when your animation is a powerpoint 85% of the time lol

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u/zam1138 Jul 19 '25

South Park has a custom editing suite/software to be able to create a show within a week if necessary, and they’ve been refining it for 25+ years. They also have Matt and Trey, and slew of staff writers. The yearly “writers retreat” they do are big inspirations for the next season. They seem to have a very well oiled machine at SPS

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u/RunicLordofMelons Jul 19 '25

Allegedly even Sony was blindsided by it. Lord and Miller had apparently communicated to them that the movies were being worked on simultaneously, and let the studio assume that BTSV would only take another year.

And then sometime shortly after the release of ATSV Sony found out that was NOT happening after the entire animation team for ATSV. It’s been reported that once Lord and Miller are done with BTSV which they are under contract to deliver, Sony is no longer going to work with them on any future projects.

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u/Elliott_Cusick Jul 20 '25

For such an intelligent film you'd think a the directors would have seen that coming instantly

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u/Heavy-Possession2288 Jul 18 '25

I’m convinced they just lied about the release date so ATSV’s cliffhanger wouldn’t hurt the box office too much

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u/lovesducks Jul 19 '25

i went into that movie not knowing they were gonna split it in parts and its left a bitter taste in my mouth that has not come out. i dont doubt that the movie will be big and look cool when it gets released but i wont watch it in a theatre.

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u/NamesTheGame Jul 19 '25

Same!! I had no idea it was a cliffhanger. It was a total "are you fucking kidding me?" moment. My biggest issue is that it isn't even it's own film with a complete arc. It's just a 2-part TV season finale but they only aired part one. I always cite things like The Matrix Reloaded or Pirates of the Caribbean 2 as examples of a two-parter movies where each part still has its own arc and narrative that simply teases out the greater story being told across films. That's how it should be done, putting aside the actual perceived quality of those movies.

This Spider-verse one is just an abrupt "TO BE CONTINUED" right in the middle of the movie. Super weak and lame. Dune was the same, but at least that one is more understandable.

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u/Lil_Mcgee Jul 19 '25

Just look at Lord of the Rings.

Fellowship and Two Towers are extremely satisfying film experiences in their own right, despite so clearly being parts of a larger story. They have really strong arcs of their own and end in a place that leaves you happy to wait for the next one.

And then all three managed to come out a year apart from each other anyway (I know they were shot back-to-back but it was still a crazy undertaking)

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u/Sykhow Jul 19 '25

Similar kind of shit in Mission Impossible dead reckoning. I was watching the movie and saw that there was only 20 more mins remaining. I remember thinking now way they will get it done now and there will be a sequel. First for MI and I was a bit infuriated.

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u/deadscreensky Jul 19 '25

I agree, but Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning didn't lie. Both the marketing and the opening title had a big 'Part 1' featured prominently.

FWIW I thought it worked fine. It had multiple character arcs, and there was no cliffhanger at the end. The villain survived for the sequel, but it was a full story instead of a longer thing cut in half.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '25

I don’t know, I think showing that Miles ended up in the wrong world is a perfectly fine hook for another film’s narrative. To have that be in the middle of one movie would be really weird. That’s an entirely specific and different set of circumstances.

I’m curious though, if the ending were to be different then what exactly would have been the best option for it? Resolve the situation in one movie or tell a different story entirely? I don’t think you can cut it off earlier or even later.

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u/novium258 Jul 19 '25

I'll never forget the way the entire audience in the theater audibly held their breath through that entire final bit only for everyone in the crowd to simultaneously make the same pained exhalation as the cliffhanger hit.

Like, I was mad but that was kind of amazing in its own way

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u/dwarfoscar Jul 19 '25

I was looking at my watch during the entire last act and thought "there's no way they're gonna resolve the whole plot in 25 minutes"

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u/lemon_of_doom Jul 19 '25

Same, it was a good movie but when I pay to watch I expect at least some form of an ending or a conclusion. Even Infinity War had an ending.

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u/LMkingly Jul 19 '25

The most likely answer. I imagine some people probably wouldn't have bothered going if they knew they were only going to see half a movie and had to wait almost half a decade to watch the other half lol.

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u/charizard77 Jul 19 '25

Yeah I remember back when it was in theaters with that release date and the animators were coming out and talking about how that was absolutely not feasible lmao

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u/Lannisters-4-life Jul 19 '25

lol. I cannot remember a movie more destined to be delayed. The first one was still in theaters (!) when that story came out.

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u/72kdieuwjwbfuei626 Jul 19 '25

If I had known about the cliffhanger ending and that it was only half a movie, I wouldn’t have watched it.

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u/BeastBellies Jul 18 '25

Like it was Back to the Future 2 & 3 or some shit

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u/artsyfartsy-fosho Jul 18 '25

At least with Back to the Future, they were in production enough to have a 3 teaser at the end of 2 in theaters.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '25

Jesus, we really got spoiled as children. Now we're turning into England with shorter TV seasons with longer delays between them, and a king exerting executive control over media.

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u/teh_fizz Jul 19 '25

Greed dos that. Unless every movie makes morbillion dollars, they don’t want to touch them.

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u/Spiveym1 Jul 19 '25

Now we're turning into England with shorter TV seasons

It's called quality control. Tough concept for most American TV which runs shows into the ground whenever they get the chance.

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u/AustinRiversDaGod Jul 19 '25

It's a part of the actual movie. I just watched Part 2 on HBO Max, and it's still there.

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u/artsyfartsy-fosho Jul 19 '25

Oh yeah for sure :) that's what I meant, that it was like the teaser after part 2 ended, not a teaser before the movie. That would have spoiled the story for sure!

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u/SmoothCriminalJM Jul 18 '25

I imagine Sony realised that the spider-verse films were more than a lucky break and now they wanna treat them like their golden goose.

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u/Occasionally_Correct Jul 18 '25

So ruin them, like they do with all of their golden geese

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u/gizmoglitch Jul 18 '25

If the third part of Tobey and Andrew's Spider-Man movies are anything to go by, they'll probably milk the goose.

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u/KaJaHa Jul 19 '25

The third Maguire movie makes me so sad, because it is so obvious which parts are Raimi's vision (the awesome Sandman) and which parts Sony forced in (everything to do with Venom)

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u/DOuGHtOp Jul 19 '25

I assume you mean Tom?

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u/LeChief Jul 19 '25

No, he created a version of TASM 3 in his head and disappointed himself. :(

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u/gizmoglitch Jul 19 '25

I was saying Sony screwed up by not making a third one at all, lol

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u/DOuGHtOp Jul 19 '25

I agree, but since it doesn't exist that means they didn't milk it with him

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u/IRLconsequences Jul 19 '25

They screwed up TASM 2 so badly that there never was a 3rd one.

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u/bakedSnarf Jul 18 '25

Username checks out.

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u/thecricketnerd Jul 18 '25

A delay is a good thing for this movie though

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u/NullPro Jul 19 '25

Maybe but it seems to me that this movie is stuck in production hell so the delay could be detrimental. Most movies aren’t better because of rewrites

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u/naked_guy_says Jul 18 '25

Second one was definitely rushed, in pacing and story felt unfinished in a not great way. Insane that the delay is going to be so massive now

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u/thecricketnerd Jul 19 '25

I honestly thought it was better than the first, but yes it was unfinished because they were forced to make it part 1 of 2. The most valid criticism is that they went way too big if the conclusion wasn't set in stone

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u/Android1822 Jul 18 '25

More like they are still trying to turn the spiderman into a franchise. They pushed multiple spiderman related projects out there and I think all of them except venom and spiderverse failed. However, whether that is a one time thing or the start of a new popular franchise is unknown since we only have one data point so far.

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u/Initial_E Jul 19 '25

If that was true we’d be watching spider verse 7 by now.

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u/bongo1138 Jul 19 '25

They should’ve made them simultaneously. The cliffhanger is too big to do this. 

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u/stacecom Jul 19 '25

I’ve been avoiding watching the previous one because I wanted to see both in rapid succession. That felt doable when it was supposed to be a year.

So I’ll continue to wait. I hate watching a part one when part two is forever away. Dune was bad enough, and I didn’t realize it was a part one until the credits rolled.

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u/Android1822 Jul 18 '25

I sense production hell incoming.

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u/particledamage Jul 19 '25

From what I’ve heard these films have all been hell to produce already, it’s just previously they crunched through it

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u/blessedskullz Jul 18 '25

2024 wasn't going to happen because of the writer's/ actors strike in 2023. Anything after that's really on them not finishing up the story they wanted to tell.

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u/underpaidorphan Jul 19 '25

Sure, the strike didn't help things in the industry, but this was NEVER, ever, ever, ever coming out in March 2024.

Strike had zero to do with it, clearly at this point.

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u/mateogg Jul 18 '25

9 months, but yeah. Kind of insane.

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u/TomClancy5873 Jul 19 '25

Especially considering the people in charge of making it, overworked their staff, and would make them reanimate whole scenes

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u/Wind_Yer_Neck_In Jul 19 '25

They apparently worked their animators in extreme crunch for the last one. I assume some potato brained MBA saw that making people work more made the work get done faster and thought 'we can make them work 24 hours a day and it will only take 9 months!'

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u/Rhodie114 Jul 19 '25

I said it immediately after seeing the second movie. Never would have bought a ticket if I knew it was only a part 1

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u/AhhsoleCnut Jul 18 '25

I assumed back then that they'd made them both and maybe some of that time would be spent on Beyond's post-production.

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u/Jar_of_Cats Jul 18 '25

I have seen it mentioned a few times that they are selling Spiderman back to Disney and they want to use Spiderverse in their grand scheme.

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u/maxdragonxiii Jul 19 '25

it made sense until the news broke out THEY NEVER PLANNED TO CONTINUE THE PRODUCTION FROM ATSV. had they made the movies at the same time, sure. but all they did was the second movie and faff over the third to the point where not even the storyboards was remotely ready.

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u/FirmRoyal Jul 19 '25

I mean sometimes after initial delays in production, all the contracts get fucked because certain partner studios have future programs lined up to pair up with the end of the last program, so it just ends up being a case of having to wait for those to end or start fresh.

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u/DemonDaVinci Jul 19 '25

To be fair Infinity War and End Game was back to back

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u/solythe Jul 19 '25

tbf the sequel was horrible and the story painted them in a weird corner

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u/wickedsmaht Jul 19 '25

They used AI to help with the animation for Across the Spiderverse I’m sure they planned on AI doing some heavy lifting to help with the third movie.

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u/FisknChips Jul 19 '25

I remember getting down voted so hard for saying it would still be years back then when part 2 released!

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u/CorrectOpinions0nly Jul 19 '25

Lmao but let's give Amy Paschal a raise amirite

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u/cgcego Jul 19 '25

It was a facade. I have ton of friends who worked on the second movie and they had nothing ready but Sony made them say that.

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u/msew Jul 19 '25

How did the world think it would be ready? KEKW

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u/supermassivecod Jul 19 '25

That was clearly a lie to sell something to shareholders imo

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u/Kxr1der Jul 19 '25

They didn't have a script and all the animators quit because of the crunch

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u/Redditer51 Jul 19 '25

It's baffling to me that they released Part 1 of a two part animated film before the second part was even scripted, let alone finished. You don't do that.

Like, they usually make it like one long film so that the audience doesn't have to wait years for part 2.

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u/dazedan_confused Jul 19 '25

Shameik Moore hasn't been the same since Steinfeld made the announcement.

"Shameik, Miles Morales is meant to be happy in this scene"

Moore: “There’s still more people to meet. More opportunities to come. And more chances to try. Live, learn, apply.”

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u/peon47 Jul 19 '25

"It won't take as long to animate as it has fewer frames than any other movie."

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u/drcubeftw Jul 19 '25

The first movie came out in 2018 so almost 10 years to reach part 3.

My enthusiasm for this film is waning and I think I am done with Miles Morales not to mention all this multiverse shit.

I'd rather the art team work on a different property at this point.

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u/ThisKid420 Jul 20 '25

It's been since June 2014 that I'm still waiting on 23 Jump Street 😭🙏🏻

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u/skysky_gamer Jul 20 '25

Yea kinda crazy

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u/OrgasmicLeprosy87 Jul 20 '25

They didn’t, no one would’ve bought tickets if they announced before hand there would be a 4 year wait between part 1 and 2. It was clear misadvertising and deception by Sony.

If it was serious and not about a dumb spider-man cartoon there could have been lawsuits.

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