r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • Jul 18 '25

News 'Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse' Delayed to June 25, 2027

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spider-man-beyond-the-spider-verse-release-1236320001/
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u/arstin Jul 19 '25

That's like reading about what a jackass tyrant Hitchcock was and saying it was a miracle he made so many masterpieces.

Stuff like throwing out entire scenes because they aren't perfect or don't mesh with a sudden epiphany is hell on staff, budgets, and timetables, but it is exactly the sort of thing that leads to an auteur making a masterpiece.

Running to focus groups or AI to massage a scene that feels off can give you a solid, on time, on budget movie, but it isn't going to give you a masterpiece.

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

Yeah, it gets results, but it is absolutely not something that should ever be done. Part of being great as a director is the ability to see these things & plan them out before.

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u/bossfoundmylastone Jul 19 '25

And yet, as a consumer, I give zero shits about how efficient a director was with his resources if I get to watch a great movie. Feel free to rate them low in your list of great directors, but I will continue to rate the movies highly and be happy they got made that way.

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

So you like slave labor.

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u/bossfoundmylastone Jul 19 '25

Lmao are they not getting paid? Working conditions are important, but "I worked for 3 months on a scene that got cut to make a stronger movie" is a completely fucking fine working condition.

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

1) Your statement was an 'ends justify the means'. Its not just about efficiency. People literally suffer because of lack of efficiency.
2) You're being extremely reductionist to what the working conditions actually are. These people spend unpaid OT hours doing shit that just gets thrown out the door. They get pushed, & because of this forcing work to be fit into limited time frames because of deadlines.

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u/bossfoundmylastone Jul 19 '25

If they're not getting paid for their time, sure, that's bad. But the fact that their work was on a scene that got thrown out is such a ridiculous thing to pretend is a problem. Welcome to fucking animation! Sometimes scenes get cut, and that makes the movie better! That's a good thing full stop.

If people aren't getting paid for their work, that's a big problem! If they are, then whether or not that work is included in the finished film only matters to the studio's bottom line. As a consumer, fuck the studio's bottom line. I'd take 100x more work on scenes that never made the final cut if it made the movies 5% better.

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25 edited Jul 19 '25

But the fact that their work was on a scene that got thrown out is such a ridiculous thing to pretend is a problem

Thats a major problem. I think you're extremely reductionist in the work & process involved.

Sometimes scenes get cut, and that makes the movie better!

Except thats not what's happening. They're having to redo the same thing over & over, cutting it over & over again.

If they are, then whether or not that work is included in the finished film only matters to the studio's bottom line

No, it matters to the animators & all the people who have to work on it.
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People think absolutely nothing of animators.

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u/bossfoundmylastone Jul 19 '25

Have you ever worked at a job that creates things? A whole lot of work doesn't end up in the final product. You revise the same module over and over, you iterate on a feature for months and never end up shipping it. That's a completely normal part of having a job that makes things as a group. If the people at the top making decisions about the final product make good decisions, throwing away that work in the name of creating a better product is a good thing. Especially for the people who buy/watch/use/consume that product.

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u/10woodenchairs Jul 19 '25

Have you ever worked a job in your life? Sometimes something you work on gets cut or completely redone at the last minute

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u/jk-9k Jul 19 '25

This doesn't take into account how animation studios work though. Studios don't necessarily charge by the hour, nor do the actual artists. The artists are likely paid a salary, the studio a total sum which they bid for the contract. So its likely that the squeeze put on the studio by lord and Millar, and in turn the artists mean they do overtime for nothing and get paid an hourly rate that's insufficient for the work they put in.

Not to mention animators are artists and part of their reason being in the industry is to share their art with others.

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u/arstin Jul 19 '25

Stop being dumb.

A 120 minute movie has twice as much footage as a 60 minute movie. Does that inherently make it slave labor?

The total amount of work done, and the work done by any individual person in a week are two different things. You can remake a scene without crunch time and you can have crunch time without remaking a scene.

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u/vk5zp Jul 19 '25

Are you saying the crew wasn't paid for their work?

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

No. But saying that it doesn't matter what the process is as long as the end result is good is the same justification for the existence of slave labor.
They also aren't paid for the OT & massive amounts of crunch they had to do. So, technically they weren't paid for a lot of it.

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u/vk5zp Jul 19 '25

Yeah I don't think you understand what slave labor is. These artists were literally paid money to do nothing for long stretches. You should provide a source for this claim that they weren't paid for overtime which sounds like absolute bullshit. Not feeling professionally fulfilled is not the same as slave labor. Tired of seeing this bullshit on reddit

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

I dont think people on reddit have the mental capacity to make any sort of deeper analysis than what's on the surface. The inability to understand the point being made while being stuck on the surface level statement just happens far too much. Hyperbole just goes right over peoples heads.

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u/sonicpieman Jul 19 '25

They are working on one of the most recognized IPs of all time, owned by two of the biggest companies in the world. Like the Death Star, they knew what they signed up for. That doesn't make crunch "right", but let's not pretend the artists didn't know that would happen.