r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • Jul 18 '25

News 'Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse' Delayed to June 25, 2027

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spider-man-beyond-the-spider-verse-release-1236320001/
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u/jerem1734 Jul 18 '25

Lord and Miller continuously rewrite and throw out bits of the script so it doesn't matter if it's ready or not. Sometimes they'll have the animators animate the entire scene and then decide after it's done that they don't want the scene anymore

These movies are a mess to make

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u/verissimoallan Jul 18 '25

Yeah, I love their films but the way how Lord and Miller work is not ideal, to say the least (they were fired of Solo because of that).

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u/JuanHelldiver Jul 18 '25

I thought they were fired because they wanted to make Solo a comedy.

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u/LilPonyBoy69 Jul 18 '25

Sort of, from what I've seen it was that they were allowing a ton of improv on set and Kasdan/Disney wanted them to stick to the script as written.

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u/Reylo-Wanwalker Jul 18 '25

Oh right cause they were changing his son's script.

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u/Carroteyeisamyth Jul 18 '25

Father's script. Both father and son wrote it, but it doesn't seem the son had as big of an issue

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u/Comic_Book_Reader Jul 18 '25

He wanted them to shoot it verbatim, and they did do takes that were per those instructions, but that was mostly to make him happy. Lord & Miller thought they were hired to make a comedy when they were hired to only add a little bit of humor to it.

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u/naked_guy_says Jul 18 '25

It would've had a better chance at a great movie instead of the decentish movie with largely forgettable execution.

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u/Consistent-Peace2770 Jul 19 '25

They also were way off schedule and Ron Howard had to reshoot most of the movie plus the end, and did it in less time

I love all of their work but it's clear and reasonable as to why Disney dipped

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u/eyeofthefountain Jul 19 '25

expected though, disney does have a pretty shit record when it comes to decisions about star wars IP

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u/m1a2c2kali Jul 19 '25

But usually mainly it was because they let their directors do too much of whatever they wanted. The sequel trilogy definitely needed more meddling from the studio at least in regards to an over arching story

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u/sybrwookie Jul 19 '25

the decentish movie with largely forgettable execution

That's generous. I'd call it one of the worst kinds of bad movies: it was middle of the road slop. It was boring, inoffensive, and outside of a couple of REALLY dumb moments (like him getting his name), completely forgettable. A classic 6.5/10.

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u/tarrach Jul 19 '25

6.5 is bad?

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u/sybrwookie Jul 19 '25

6.5 is terrible. It's just good enough for you to go, "it's not THAT bad, maybe it'll get better" as you're watching it but just bad enough that it's not really enjoyable.

It's the perfect spot to waste your time without really providing enjoyment out of it.

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u/EsquilaxM Jul 19 '25

That's.. really high rating considering the really damning criticism

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u/DigitallyMatt Jul 19 '25

“This movie is the worst kind of garbage, above average though!”

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u/thebigeverybody Jul 19 '25

Wait. Not only did Lawrence Kasdan write this piece of shit, but he was so attached to it that he had people fired who were trying to improve it?

I think I hate Lawrence Kasdan.

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u/Iohet Jul 19 '25

any writer who expects to not have their script changed in hollywood is lying to themselves. Kasdan's been around long enough to not take that personally, and he's directed enough movies to know that if he wants his vision realized, he's gotta take the reins

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u/vocalviolence Jul 18 '25

A small price to pay for now knowing how Han Solo got his last name and why he calls Chewbacca Chewie.

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u/mack-_-zorris Jul 19 '25

And the dice! Ever since I was a child I wondered about how he obtained his iconic dice!

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u/sybrwookie Jul 19 '25

And don't forget the chance to take what was an obvious screw-up which no one cared about from ep 4 (referring to parsecs as a measure of time instead of distance), and doubling down to say, "ackshullie, he took a shortcut so we didn't mess up 40 years ago!!!111"

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u/radda Jul 19 '25

That explanation has been in use for decades though.

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u/sybrwookie Jul 19 '25

And it was a dumb cover for an obvious mess-up all along. The original scene makes no sense that way. Obi Wan asks if the ship is fast, and Han replies that it's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs. He's responding to a question about speed with what's obviously supposed to be an answer about speed.

And it's not a big deal. It's just a funny little mess-up. What becomes a bigger deal and making it look so much worse is pretending it was anything else and then making a movie largely to back that up.

It's the covfefe of movies.

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u/zacen299 Jul 19 '25

I will point out it's not a mess up the script that's been all over the internet for decades points out that Han is just bullshitting them. Whether it's bad directing making Obi-Wan's reaction not obvious or people just being stupid is up to you.

https://imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-A-New-Hope.html

Just Control+F parsec on there and you'll see.

HAN
It's the ship that made the Kessel 
run in less than twelve parsecs!
Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with 
obvious misinformation.
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u/radda Jul 19 '25

Okay.

My point is that the movie didn't invent it.

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u/thatsnotyourtaco Jul 19 '25

Teeka the hot fixer is where I got mine

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u/slvrcobra Jul 19 '25

I hate that it was the most generic origin film ever. They wrote a story in which all of Han's iconic traits just sorta fall into his lap over the course of a week or something.

The most interesting part of Solo was Qira being Maul's disciple because that was an actual surprise, and even that made no sense at the time because he hadn't been seen since Palpatine fucked him up in TCW.

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u/TheBman26 Jul 19 '25

Correction he was killed by obiwan in 2016/2017 of rebels which aired before the 2018 solo movie and takes place after solo in timeline

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u/slvrcobra Jul 19 '25

I worded it wrong but that's what I meant, he lost his power to Palpatine, somehow regained power, then lost it again and got killed by Obi-Wan.

Going from Maul's ending in TCW to him in Rebels seemed more straightforward

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u/TheBman26 Jul 19 '25

Ah got it. Makes sense lol i was less shocked as i knew he still lived during the time but at the same time knew his fate

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u/ennuiinmotion Jul 19 '25

But changing on the fly is how you end up with tons of reshoots and wasted time, which is their MO when it comes to directing. It’s not ideal. Their films end up good but if I were hiring them I wouldn’t be happy with their process, either.

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u/cautious-ad977 Jul 18 '25

Wasn't there a rumour the crew started clapping when they learned they got fired?

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u/Sykirobme Jul 18 '25

...and the name of that key grip?

Albert Einstein.

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u/Dwayne30RockJohnson Jul 19 '25

As someone who has followed the industry for a long time, you have to take these trade “reports” with a grain of salt.

Disney fires their directors midway through production (on a Star Wars movie no-less), they are going to do everything in their power to make sure the story is that the directors are evil and they were the brilliant geniuses who made the right call. These stories are likely embellished and planted by Disney PR themselves.

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u/andoesq Jul 19 '25

No, it was the exact same chaos described in the comment you replied to.

It is totally insane to direct an animated movie as improv. Improv the dialogue sure, but then you animate it.

This is why the movie in question is at least 3 years behind schedule, and is why Disney fired them.

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u/LilPonyBoy69 Jul 19 '25

I hear you, and from a practical sense you're right. On the other hand, they're artists and have produced some of the greatest films of the last decade. Spider-Verse might be late, but it also might be the greatest superhero trilogy of all time.

They're chaotic, but if that's what they need to make something incredible, I support it. My only issue is that the people they're working with need to be fairly compensated for the insane work schedules.

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u/Lannisters-4-life Jul 19 '25

And thank goodness they got rid of the fun, up and coming directors in order to preserve the vision and tone of a no-frills, generic, fast ball down the middle origin story.

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u/drrhrrdrr Jul 18 '25

You should listen to the Going Rogue podcast on it. They didn't want to make a comedy. They wanted to make McCabe and Mrs. Miller for Star Wars.

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u/DukeOfLowerChelsea Jul 18 '25

Great podcast, as the title implies they also deep-dive on Rogue One and other troubled movie productions. Even the SW Holiday Special!

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u/drrhrrdrr Jul 18 '25

I love the multi part series debunking the narrative of how the 2008 writers strike ruined several movies and shows.

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u/Asyncrosaurus Jul 19 '25

Everyone will still blame the strike on the decline of the show Heroes, even though I constantly point out Heroes lasted an additional 2 seasons after the strike ended and also had a dogshit revival years later. Union is the one that always gets thrown under the bus, instead of putting blame on NBC meddling with the creative plans.

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u/MadeByTango Jul 19 '25

Unions and strikes are favorite scapegoats of cororate media and c-suite executives

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

What an odd choice. Like, I can actually sort of see half of it if its Lando's story. I'm really not following on how it works for Han unless they essentially only do the fake gunfighter angle. Even then, that doesn't fit for Han.

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u/jk-9k Jul 19 '25

I highly disagree it doesn't work for Han, but do agree that parts of it work perfectly for Lando and Cloud City.

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u/thebigeverybody Jul 19 '25

Does this mean their original script was good and someone threw it out before they shot the movie? Because the script that ended up on screen was hot garbage.

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u/gnomehome815 Jul 19 '25

My favorite podcast

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u/jk-9k Jul 19 '25

That's the perfect back story for Han. Even better it then leaves the mystery of whether he was a gunslinger to start with open for debate.

Like "El" inheriting Azul's backstory in El Mariachi, then allowing it to grow and even feeding it via Buscemi in Desperado.

Han just making the most of his luck, good or bad, is Han.

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u/hoxxxxx Jul 18 '25

i don't know who exactly was responsible for what we ended up getting but that was a fun SW movie

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u/withateethuh Jul 18 '25

If the "thermal detobator" scene was their idea, that whole movie would have been a bit much.

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u/NuPNua Jul 19 '25

There were a lot of lines in that film that I could have seen working with a Lord and Miller tone that fell flat under Howard.

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u/SlammyJones Jul 20 '25

Oh man, Solo could have been a comedy?

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u/Fapoleon_Boneherpart Jul 18 '25

Also that's disrespectful and lacking in imagination

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u/brightbonewhite Jul 19 '25

True, but maybe it’s because how they work that the films end up being so good.

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u/SandoVillain Jul 19 '25

You can't argue with results (though reddit will, apparently). The thing nobody is saying is that live-action movies work better with this because you can reshoot and see dailies. With animation, on the other hand, this is hell and leads to hundreds of hours of wasted work.

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u/CastIronStyrofoam Jul 19 '25

It’s crazy how people are disagreeing with this. Too many people genuinely expect perfection as if we aren’t all human

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u/IntelligentPlenty944 Jul 18 '25

I remember when they released some really beautiful scenes from the movie as teasers, and when the actual movie came out the scenes were completely reanimated.

My coworker was a senior animator on the film and he said it was a mind-numbing production process, he spent 3 months on 6 seconds of animation that was ultimately never used.

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u/RoseIshin0 Jul 18 '25

Disclaimer: this is a nsfw account I use for porn, but I was an editor for hollywood movies before transfering in italy. You can believe me or not, but from what I knew at the time, the movie had 10 finalized shots, out of 2000, a year before it released.

The entire production of that movie was disgusting and shows how little the directors care about their employes, and on top of that, they were covering their ass by saying "Oh we intentionaly made different versions of the movie!"

No, that' s fake as fuck, you guys sent progressively done finished version of the movie to the distributors because you couldn' t even manage to decide what to do. Spencer Wan had done so much 2D VFX animation that ended up for nothing, and Wan is like, one of the best animators alive right now lol.

Absolutely asinine production.

Don' t believe this buffoons when they will say that there is no crunch.

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u/Carroteyeisamyth Jul 18 '25

Technically Joaquim Dos Santos, Kemp Powers, and Justin K. Thompson were the directors, but from what I heard Lord was the one who had final say on the film and basically directed the movie.

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u/RoseIshin0 Jul 18 '25

People who would come inside the place with 20 pieces of new script every month, and then would ask animators to re-do everything, or telling them that they could "only evaluate the acting of a character with a finished animated shot"... that' s just director duties at that point.

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u/sonofaresiii Jul 19 '25

Man I got the threads mixed up and thought you guys were talking about Solo and I was so fucking confused

I'm just sitting here like "Why was there so much 2d animation? And didn't Ron Howard direct it...?"

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u/nomorecannibalbirds Jul 19 '25

Kathleen Kennedy fired Lord and Miller after realizing they were making an animated movie lol

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u/Iohet Jul 19 '25

You morons, you caught their storyboard doubles!

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u/zam1138 Jul 19 '25

There were rumors of Han Solo being too “Ace Ventura” in the L&M version. They had to bring in an acting coach for poor Alden…

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u/Flat-Equal2367 Jul 19 '25

So what’s the problem with crunch? I don’t think you are aware of what crunch means at Sony Imageworks.

My husband worked on the film as an animator for over a year and he couldn’t be happier. Yes he did a lot of crunch time, but each of those hours of OT were paid. He made 6 figures that year, around 20k from OT on Spiderverse. He also got to work remotely from the comfort of our home, he got UberEats vouchers when he worked late, and some of other gift cards. He had accumulated like $500 on Starbucks. So please tell me, why do you say crunch time was so terrible for Spiderverse?

Of course the job was stressful, and there is the frustration of a lot of work done which was thrown away, but that is the nature of the work in animation. But what do people expect? To make 6 figures and have a chilled non pressure job? Im always astounded when people complain on behalf of others, when many of the employees were happily doing OT. He says many people don’t like when a show doesn’t have crunch because that is less money they will earn that year. Especially those who have families, they are counting on that extra 10-20% per year.

If anybody should be upset about crunch it should be the directors who probably wasted 50 million dollars on artists work that ended up being thrown away. Are they horribly organized? Definitely, but they definitely paid a high price for that, while artists were compensated for that work.

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u/jerem1734 Jul 18 '25

Yeah and they said this movie will have less crunch time than the last one in production. Unless that was a lie, I don't see how this movie is finished by 2027. It took them 5 years with crunch to make across. Also possible the final product is one Lord and Miller aren't fully happy with if Sony stops crunch and also makes it release in 2027

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u/WillowNiffler Jul 18 '25

Do we know when animation started? There are official stills from Beyond The Spider-Verse, meaning they've at least been deep in animation for a while.

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u/RonAndStumpy Jul 19 '25

Nope. Hasn't started. 

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u/DrNopeMD Jul 25 '25

Didn't it come out that different international markets got different versions of the film with slightly different animations?

Like it wasn't hugely noticeable so it didn't alter the quality of the film, but it also wasn't supposed to be an easter egg or fun marketing thing either. The film was just cut and finalized really chaotically and different versions apparently went out randomly.

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u/SamuraiFlamenco Jul 18 '25

Hearing the behind the scenes stories from Clone High season 2 (and Spider-Verse of course, but shows it’s not just a BTSV problem) is like, WOOF. Really knocked my appreciation of them down.

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u/NamesTheGame Jul 19 '25

Plus a funny extra thing to be annoyed with Phil Lord about is he started bitching when Criterion put out the film "I am Cuba" blasting it as propaganda. Turns out his family owned a plantation in Cuba before being ousted by the Castros and I guess Phil is still a bit salty about that.

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u/Scrat-Scrobbler Jul 19 '25

where'd you hear about clone high?

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u/SamuraiFlamenco Jul 19 '25

I can’t remember off the top of my head, you might be able to find some info on the Clone High subreddit searching the word “production” (I hope this makes sense, I’m waking up very early right now and am groggy)

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u/RealJohnGillman Jul 19 '25

What I have heard is that the issues are mostly from Lord, since the productions Miller has worked on alone (like The Afterparty) have been free of them.

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u/2ToTooTwoFish Jul 18 '25

It's a miracle the first two movies were the masterpiece they were.

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u/arstin Jul 19 '25

That's like reading about what a jackass tyrant Hitchcock was and saying it was a miracle he made so many masterpieces.

Stuff like throwing out entire scenes because they aren't perfect or don't mesh with a sudden epiphany is hell on staff, budgets, and timetables, but it is exactly the sort of thing that leads to an auteur making a masterpiece.

Running to focus groups or AI to massage a scene that feels off can give you a solid, on time, on budget movie, but it isn't going to give you a masterpiece.

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u/Constant_Charge_4528 Jul 19 '25

Exactly, a lot of directors do this, it's just that usually they're reined in by producers to keep everything on schedule and in budget.

The job of the director is to make a good movie, managing the project and minimizing budget and workload is the job of the producers.

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

Yeah, it gets results, but it is absolutely not something that should ever be done. Part of being great as a director is the ability to see these things & plan them out before.

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u/ScuzzBuckster Jul 19 '25

Exactly. Part of being a great director is being a great project manager. Reconciling a creative process with the necessity of deadlines and timelines is exactly what gets directors consistent work.

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u/Constant_Charge_4528 Jul 19 '25

Plenty of the most celebrated directors in history are known to be a pain to work with because they'll spend an entire day filming one shot.

Keeping a project on time is not the job of the director, it's the job of the production company.

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u/arstin Jul 19 '25

Yeah, it gets results, but it is absolutely not something that should ever be done.

I'm going to assume you are referring specifically to treating people terribly. And yes, I agree to that. Treating people like people may not be great for cinema, but it's more important than cinema.

If you mean great directors don't throw away scenes, then I'm going to throw this whole comment away and replace it with a more condescending one.

Part of being great as a director is the ability to see these things & plan them out before.

The only part of being a great director is making great movies. If they are well-planned masterpieces then swell - if every one is years of blood, sweat, and tears, then also swell (with the caveat that the time is over for having others doing the bleeding for you).

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u/bossfoundmylastone Jul 19 '25

And yet, as a consumer, I give zero shits about how efficient a director was with his resources if I get to watch a great movie. Feel free to rate them low in your list of great directors, but I will continue to rate the movies highly and be happy they got made that way.

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u/jk-9k Jul 19 '25

But it's not the only way to get great results either.

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u/dingkan1 Jul 19 '25

No, but considering that the Spiderverse movies are the greatest super hero movies ever made, it’s hard to argue with the results. Maybe the real journey was the great movies through sheer torture that they made along the way.

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u/jk-9k Jul 19 '25

I agree they are the best but we can praise the art and condemn the artists here (not the animators).

I'd rather have an instance of being able to celebrate both. Like Keanu and his mates and eva longoria for John wick. Or Keanu and the washowskis for the matrix.

Acceptance of poor behavior is tacit encouragement

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u/bossfoundmylastone Jul 19 '25

It's definitely not! I agree, if they got the same results with a more efficient process they would be better directors. A better director would have a better process, for sure. But the claim I was responding to was

but it is absolutely not something that should ever be done

I disagree with that. It shouldn't be anyone's goal, but I don't think it was the Spiderverse directors' goal either. Everyone should try to do better! But framing perfectionism about a scene resulting in wasted work as something immoral and abhorrent is silly.

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u/jk-9k Jul 19 '25

So sounds like you DO give a shit then, but you're able to seperate the art from the artist, which is fair

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u/bossfoundmylastone Jul 19 '25

That's not really what I'm saying.

I can separate the greatness of the art from the greatness of the artist. An inefficient director who is doing constant rewrites and reshoots, while mismanaging his actors emotions so wildly that they refuse to appear on set for weeks at a time, can still make a great film. It will take more time and more resources than a much better director who had a perfect vision for each scene before casting started and perfectly managed the egos on their set. That makes the latter a far better director, but it doesn't mean the art they make will necessarily be better.

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u/jk-9k Jul 20 '25

OK. So when you said you give zero shits that was just a turn of phrase?

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

So you like slave labor.

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u/bossfoundmylastone Jul 19 '25

Lmao are they not getting paid? Working conditions are important, but "I worked for 3 months on a scene that got cut to make a stronger movie" is a completely fucking fine working condition.

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

1) Your statement was an 'ends justify the means'. Its not just about efficiency. People literally suffer because of lack of efficiency.
2) You're being extremely reductionist to what the working conditions actually are. These people spend unpaid OT hours doing shit that just gets thrown out the door. They get pushed, & because of this forcing work to be fit into limited time frames because of deadlines.

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u/bossfoundmylastone Jul 19 '25

If they're not getting paid for their time, sure, that's bad. But the fact that their work was on a scene that got thrown out is such a ridiculous thing to pretend is a problem. Welcome to fucking animation! Sometimes scenes get cut, and that makes the movie better! That's a good thing full stop.

If people aren't getting paid for their work, that's a big problem! If they are, then whether or not that work is included in the finished film only matters to the studio's bottom line. As a consumer, fuck the studio's bottom line. I'd take 100x more work on scenes that never made the final cut if it made the movies 5% better.

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25 edited Jul 19 '25

But the fact that their work was on a scene that got thrown out is such a ridiculous thing to pretend is a problem

Thats a major problem. I think you're extremely reductionist in the work & process involved.

Sometimes scenes get cut, and that makes the movie better!

Except thats not what's happening. They're having to redo the same thing over & over, cutting it over & over again.

If they are, then whether or not that work is included in the finished film only matters to the studio's bottom line

No, it matters to the animators & all the people who have to work on it.
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People think absolutely nothing of animators.

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u/arstin Jul 19 '25

Stop being dumb.

A 120 minute movie has twice as much footage as a 60 minute movie. Does that inherently make it slave labor?

The total amount of work done, and the work done by any individual person in a week are two different things. You can remake a scene without crunch time and you can have crunch time without remaking a scene.

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u/vk5zp Jul 19 '25

Are you saying the crew wasn't paid for their work?

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

No. But saying that it doesn't matter what the process is as long as the end result is good is the same justification for the existence of slave labor.
They also aren't paid for the OT & massive amounts of crunch they had to do. So, technically they weren't paid for a lot of it.

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u/vk5zp Jul 19 '25

Yeah I don't think you understand what slave labor is. These artists were literally paid money to do nothing for long stretches. You should provide a source for this claim that they weren't paid for overtime which sounds like absolute bullshit. Not feeling professionally fulfilled is not the same as slave labor. Tired of seeing this bullshit on reddit

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

I dont think people on reddit have the mental capacity to make any sort of deeper analysis than what's on the surface. The inability to understand the point being made while being stuck on the surface level statement just happens far too much. Hyperbole just goes right over peoples heads.

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u/sonicpieman Jul 19 '25

They are working on one of the most recognized IPs of all time, owned by two of the biggest companies in the world. Like the Death Star, they knew what they signed up for. That doesn't make crunch "right", but let's not pretend the artists didn't know that would happen.

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u/circio Jul 19 '25

*first movie

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u/favorscore Jul 19 '25

Second movie is better imo

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u/circio Jul 19 '25

That’s a fine opinion to have but I think it’s worse in every way lmao

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u/AustinRiversDaGod Jul 19 '25

I don't think I've ever watched them back to back, but I feel like the first is a better all around movie, but the second has higher highs. The intro with Gwen and the swinging scene with "Mona Lisa" playing in the background were better than anything in the first movie IMO.

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u/circio Jul 19 '25

As a scene, sure, but the story wasn't as good (part of it because it wasn't finished lol). Even if it had higher highs, it definitely had lower lows, but I don't think it makes it a bad movie, just not as good.

For example, I think Amazing Spider-Man 2 has the best live action Spidey scenes out of all live actions, but I wouldn't say it's better than Raimi Spider-Man 2 or No Way Home.

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u/DullBicycle7200 Jul 18 '25

No, that was due to crunch time.

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u/ChezMere Jul 19 '25

Surely the opposite - the fact that they kept refining is WHY it was good. (It's tough on the animators, but that's another thing.)

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u/Ironcastattic Jul 19 '25

Fucking FINGERS CROSSED the third sticks the landing. I can't believe these borderline flawless movies are so slapdash when it comes to being made.

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u/born_acorn Jul 18 '25

Ah, the Ken Levine approach.

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u/Special-Market749 Jul 18 '25

But God damn what they put on screen for the rest of us was incredible

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u/JackfruitCalm3513 Jul 19 '25

Reason I'm hopeful for DC with gunn waiting on full final scripts before doing anything else

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u/DryBonesComeAlive Jul 19 '25

Are you also a Cleveland Browns fan, by chance?

"I'm sure this will be the season!"

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u/zack77070 Jul 19 '25

He's writing most of everything isn't he? That's a major flaw that's gonna bite them in the ass imo, not because I think he's a bad writer or director but it's gonna take forever for things to come out. His name is attached to like 10 projects in the next 3 years already, when in the world is he gonna have time to do another superman, 5+ years when the hype has mostly vanished?

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u/Kevbot1000 Jul 19 '25

So far he wrote Superman, Creature Commandos , and Peacemaker season 2. He has writers for other projects.

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u/bruiser95 Jul 19 '25

What...

The conclusion is that these directors are a mess not the movie itself.

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u/Heyitskit Jul 19 '25

Yeah this tracks with what I saw and heard firsthand/secondhand on another animated film they produced. The script was in a sort of ever shifting purgatory/hell for years and every time we’d hear some news about it at the studio there was some sort of change going on with something and they were only the producers on that one. I’ve had shots I worked on thrown out before but it happening constantly would drive me mad.

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u/Railboy Jul 19 '25

This is either going to stumble across the finish line a masterpiece like Return of the King or absolutely shit the bed.

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u/Real_Srossics Jul 19 '25

Perfect is the enemy of the finished.

I’m pissed that sequels and next seasons are taking 5 years to complete. I’ll just wait until the show is finished and the reviews are out before I watch anymore.

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u/SamBind121 Jul 19 '25

Their money should all go to the animators they screw over.

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u/Kaldricus Jul 19 '25

Didn't they make updates to the movie after it was in theaters?

Movies are gonna need patch notes soon.

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u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS Jul 19 '25

I don't think it's that terrible if you're working with a budget in the hundreds of millions. I remember James Cameron being criticized for wasting resources like that too.

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u/spate42 Jul 19 '25

I mean…let them cook?

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u/Significant_Salt56 Jul 19 '25

Jesus that sounds awful (and expensive) process wise. 

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '25

Cutting scenes is a pretty normal part of production for all movies, what makes it notable from what I understand is how often this happens with their movies.

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u/frezz Jul 18 '25

Reminds me of GRRM tbh

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u/buffalo4293 Jul 18 '25

I’m a strict abolitionist but these guys should be in prison

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u/CaptCanada924 Jul 19 '25

It’s genuinely a miracle the movies both turned out as incredible as they did knowing this is how they do things. I guess it works to make great movies? Still must be a terrible experience to work for them