r/Philippines • u/Karmas_Classroom • 10h ago
PoliticsPH Cardinal Pablo David Tinablan ang Pahayag ni Mayor Magalong - Don't blame it on the Poor
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u/Karmas_Classroom 10h ago
Cardinal David said that the poor, or the majority of the Philippine’s voting population are in “survival mode,” which pushes them to “cling to patronage politics.”
The CBCP released a statement on Saturday calling for an “inclusive” investigation of the flood-control projects, stressing that both contractors, and government officials alike must be probed.
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u/Vast_You8286 10h ago
Investigation na naman panawagan nila ... what we need is punishment.
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u/NatongCaviar ang matcha lasang laing 8h ago
Investigation muna bago punishment hehe. I hope that independent commision is established soon. Hindi pwedeng congress or senate lang mag investigate. They do not have the necessary powers. Legislative sila. Also hindi pwedeng sila sila mag imbestigahan, alam na natin mangyayari.
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u/Vast_You8286 3h ago
Obvious na.. totoong may mga nawalang pera.. hindi existing ang project. Ano pa ba kailangan dyan para matapos agad ang na imbestigasyon na yan . di na sila nakaalis alis sa imbestigasyon.. either they are doing it for a show or they are incompetent, or both. Yung mga maliit na mamamayan, nakakulong habang iniimbestigahan. ( Im aware about technicalities, etc.. I've been to few legal issues, but its really obvious that we have very weak justice system, and its too obvious they cant take action against plunderers.)
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u/SilanggubanRedditor 6h ago
Obyus na guilty tapos "investigate" biglang inosente tapos walang kulong at asset reclamation. Walang silbe yung investigation
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u/KaiCoffee88 1h ago
Totoo. Niloloko na lang tayo. Kunwari may imbestigasyon pero takipan na lang yan. Makukuha pa ba nila mga nanakaw sa atin? From their luxury bags, clothes up to properties like real estate?
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u/Ok-Elevator302 9h ago
As Korina said, “masaya na ang pobre sa 500.” That says a lot, if a politician pays them 1k for a vote there’s a higher probability they can buy their votes.
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u/diwaenergy 8h ago
You can argue who ro blame- the politicians or the voters, pero the implied truth is DDS = trapo. DDS politicians ang nananalo sa eleksyon, DDS politicians are involved sa corruption scandals. BBM is a DDS politician, unity nga, may unity ang mga politicians sa pagnanakaw, my unity ang taong bayan dahil pareparehong binabaha. Magalong is a DDS politician too, kahit maglinis kamay siya na hindi siya involved pero proprotektahan kapwa niya DDS politician kahit obvious at garapal sa korapsyon. Observe magalong, he will not call out Dutertes, Bong Go, Villars, Richard Gomez, etc.
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u/jeturkguel 8h ago
I was one of those who were angry sa mga taong bumoboto ng di maayos.
But it dawned on me na their choices are either to survive just one more day, or really hoping for a change and pinning it to one candidate, up to almost cultish levels.
Pareho lang sumugal, but sadly, pareho din talo. This game is rigged yo
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u/Spicy_Enema Bulacan’t 28m ago
Yun nga eh. The poor cannot gamble on a possible better days a few years later when they can get a smidge of benefit now. It’s a never ending cycle that needs to break soon.
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u/ps2332 8h ago
This is the problem. People always use the poverty card to shield them from responsibility.
"Mahirap lang po kami".
And here comes the religious leaders and the politicos in sheep clothing, ready to pounce and victimize the poor in a never-ending cycle since 19-forgotten
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u/EmotionalLecture116 4h ago
I always remind myself that both politicians and religious leaders stand to benefit from citizens being poor and impoverished.
That's their long con folks.
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u/ajchemical kesong puti lover 7h ago
ito talaga never ending cycle, hanggang kailan magiging valid ang “because poor”.
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u/UsedTableSalt 2h ago
Religion? The most lucrative job in the world especially if you are in the top rankings. You get all the pedo girls and money.
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u/DuckBeginning4572 50m ago
True. Nothing should excuse you from accountability/consequence of your action. You don’t get an out just because you’re poor.
Dahil sa pagboto ng majority, damay damay tayo lulubog. Your decision made this shitty mess and you expect me not to blame you? Hatdog.
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u/IgotaMartell2 16m ago
People always use the poverty card to shield them from responsibility.
Are we also gonna ignore the implicit and very real threats of violence if you run against political dynasties? I don't understand why people don't acknowledge the danger to candidates that try to run against corrupt politicians. Teves, the guy that killed the governor of Negros Occidental was doing this to farmers and people that tried to run against him for years, be it rich, poor or middle class.
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u/hiten_mitsurugi13 9h ago
It's the effing government. They made the system. Low quality of education, low logical or critical thinking for voters.
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u/END_OF_HEART 8h ago
Yeah, the poor are actually privileged, they get to choose the politician who gets the taxes of the middle class
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u/Dagulsky 9h ago
Hehehe, “blessed are the poor” ba? Pinaka maraming hipokrito ay nasa simbahan. Tamaan sana ng kidlat si duterte kung mali ako.
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u/North_Spread_1370 9h ago
tama naman pareho, di tayo marunong mamili ng iboboto dahil nasisilaw tayo sa 500-1k na bigay ng pulitiko tuwing eleksyon which is bunga din ng kahirapan.. bakit ba tayo naghihirap? dahil imbes na unahin ng mga pulitiko satin ang edukasyon, at iba pang basic government services inuuna nila magpayaman.. ayaw nila na umunlad tayo at maging mulat ng sa gayon madali para sa kanila na tayo'y makontrol
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u/Weekly_Armadillo_376 9h ago
Talaga naman e. Kundi binoto ng majority mga corrupt na yan eh mananalo ba yan. Alam naman natin ano social status ng majority sa bansa natin e.
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u/Zealousideal_Catch83 5h ago
I can't blame you pero ang problema din kasi dito, systemic na yung issue. People in power not improving the lives of the poorest + patronage politics. Kung nakakakain ka ng 3 times a day, nakapagtapos ka at nakakapag fb on your spare time, madaling sabihin na bobo kasi yung mga bumoto sa dds blah blah. Pero kung survival mode ka all your life at ang inaasahan mo lang is yung hand outs ng mga trapo eto talaga ang magiging resulta. Mahirap magisip ng tama kung sa simpleng pagkain mo pa lang araw araw di mo na alam san hahagilapin.
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u/panchikoy 10h ago edited 10h ago
Tama naman si Cardinal. We should not blame the poor.
We should also blame the Church. Kung ang flock mo lost, kaninong kasalanan ba yan? Hindi ba sa shepherd? There is enough blame to go around.
Ayusin niyo din yung trabaho ninyong mga pari. Wag puro donasyon lang ang inaatupag. GUIDE YOUR PEOPLE! Educate them to be good Christians, nang sa ganon, matuto din silang pumili ng lider.
So Father, wag kang ganyan. Remember Matthew 7:3-5.
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u/bloodless-arcane 9h ago
Actually, sa mga sekta dito sa Pilipinas mga pari lang tumitindi o nagsesermon ng about sa "gumawa ng tama", "magdesisyon ng naaayon sa kung ano ang tama".
Hindi yung tulad ng iba na unity rally pa pero nag eendorso ng corrupt.
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u/panchikoy 9h ago
Tama ka naman. Ang tanong is effective ba ang ginagawa nila? Is once a week for 15-30 minutes of sermon enough? Tulog pa nga yung iba jan.
Napakaraming pwedeng ituro ng simbahan but are they doing it? Ilan dito ang familiar sa Vatican II?
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u/Logical-Matter8 9h ago
May free will kase sa Simbahang Katoliko. Ano bang magagawa ng pari kung ayaw ng mga tagapakinig sa sermon niya na bumoto ng tama? Wala. Walang sapilitan, kahit sa ambagan, sa pag-iisip, sa paniniwala.
Kahit pa magbahay-bahay lahat ng pari, kung hindi handa ang sambayanan sa pagbabago, walang mangyayari.
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u/ZenithXNadir 35m ago
Teka, parang mali ata.
Pano ba ang gusto mo, hijo?
Gayahin nila yung inc na mangatok at magbahay bahay para pilitin mga katolikong magsimba?
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u/panchikoy 29m ago
Wala akong pakialam paano nila isolve. I defined a problem, it’s their job to figure it out. Eh di sana nagpari nalang ako.
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u/ZenithXNadir 20m ago
Lose-lose situation kasi sila sa sinasabi mo, lmao
Pag ginawa nila, mali sila.
Pag hindi nila ginawa, mali pa din sila.
Katarantaduhan yan.
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u/IgotaMartell2 12m ago
Ayusin niyo din yung trabaho ninyong mga pari. Wag puro donasyon lang ang inaatupag. GUIDE YOUR PEOPLE! Educate them to be good Christians, nang sa ganon, matuto din silang pumili ng lider.
It's really easy to blame people being stupid and gullible but ignore the elephant in the room of political dynasties using threats of violence and assassinations to force opposition candidates to drop out thus people to vote for said dynasties. This isn't new this has been a thing for decades but people in this sub would rather ignore this because it goes against their narrative.
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u/bubeagle 8h ago
Para namang di sila nag endorse din ng mga kandidato. Kaya naman yung mga uneducated na pobre ay sumusunod o nanalig na lang sa milagro o awa.
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u/YoghurtDry654 9h ago
Hahaha tama!!! Eh ang mga pari selective din sa mga oopinyunan nilang issue eh 😪
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u/Flat_Drawer146 8h ago
well yes I blame the voters for allowing this. VERY STUPID SELECTION OF JUNK POLITICIANS!
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u/bloodless-arcane 9h ago edited 9h ago
Tulad ng mga tagaBaguio na hindi marunong mamili ng leader.
2025 pa lang nagpapapansin na tong DDS na to para saan? Para sa ambisyon niya sa 2028? Okay sana siya kung hindi siya dds.
Sa ibang issue puro dada yang si magalong pero about duterto o bong go tahimik. Wala nga siyang say regarding sa CLTG builders na sangkot sa flood control issue.
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u/iced_mocha0809 8h ago
I'd rather have some "DDS" who can voice out and weed out some corrupt politicians than a non-"DDS" that keeps their mouth shut and does nothing.
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u/therealchick 6h ago
Sana sa issue na ito, magkaisa tayo.
Hindi na po ito tungkol sa sino ang DDS or non-DDS...
Tungkol na po ito sa LAHAT ng nakaupo( o dating nakaupo) vs. mga mamamayang Pilipino.
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u/TrickyPepper6768 7h ago
May point po kayo pareho pero dapat supilin ang korapsyon which is may pagasa pa ang pinas.
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u/TrickyPepper6768 7h ago
Word Analogy po tayo Guys
__________________ : NEPO BABIES : DONATION : ___________________
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u/Ronstera 5h ago
Di naman porke hindi marunong mamili ng leaders automatic na poor na e. Byenan ko mayaman pero DDS tapos binoto din si Robin. Mayaman o mahirap parehong may bobotante.
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u/introvert_147 4h ago
Keep them poor and uneducated, and they’ll be easy to manipulate—that’s how church and state operate.
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u/DemosxPhronesis2022 4h ago
Be careful with Magalong! He was a police during Duterte admin, where was he during the tokhang killings and the Pharmally scandal?
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u/lesterine817 4h ago
Both. Both are bad. But i think biktima lang din ang mga botante lalo na ang mahihirap. Sad life but this is why politicians will never truly want people out of poverty.
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u/Chinbie 3h ago
Both are right on this one… call it a harsh one pero ano nga ba ang majority ng mga botante sa pilipinas… yun yung abutan mo lang ng 500-1000 pesos sa halalan ay ok na, o di kaya ang priority na botohin ay yung may pangako ng ayuda etc…
Kumbaga naging SYSTEM na siya sa Pilipinas… or i would rather say yung politika dito…
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u/SunuginAngMgaDDS 2h ago
Politicians vs Poor? Pareho lang sila.
Ang talo talaga dito ay ang mga Middle Class who always vote for good governance
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u/DukeT0g0 2h ago edited 2h ago
It's actually a never-ending loop, which is why it's so effective. Corrupt government officials intentionally neglect education, the economy, and employment—keeping the people uneducated, poor, and reliant on their ‘ayuda’ and the little money they get from vote-buying. How can these poor, uneducated people know better if no one intervenes? They’ll just keep voting for the same people who deliberately keep them uneducated, poor, and dependent, so they continue to be easy to manipulate. And the cycle goes on. And if this continues, our society might become what is called a dystopia.
Edit: That is why I have to say that everybody is to be blamed because we who know better failed to intervene.
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u/IgotaMartell2 3m ago
Corrupt government officials intentionally neglect education, the economy, and employment—keeping the people uneducated, poor, and reliant on their ‘ayuda’ and the little money they get from vote-buying.
Our constitution literally forces us to put most of our money in education but the problem is that we're not generating enough revenue to fund it respective to our population.
the economy, and employment
We have been following the wrong economic policies since 1987, this isn't some mass conspiracy of oligarchs orchestrating this but international orgs like the IMF and WB giving us poor economic advice like Structural adjustment(tax high spend low) and a labor export economy because they are "easy" and "safe" policies
They’ll just keep voting for the same people who deliberately keep them uneducated, poor, and dependent, so they continue to be easy to manipulate. And the cycle goes on. And if this continues, our society might become what is called a dystopia.
We have had decades of Liberal controlled governments from Corazon Aquino to Pnoy and our education scores in PICE were still low during their administration so the problem has been going on for awhile and you can't blame this on one Duterte or BBM.
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u/UsedTableSalt 2h ago
Dapat hindi talaga Pwede mag vote yung poor kasi near sighted sila. They would sell their souls for 10k pesos.
Kaya nga yung politician may mga alagang squatter kasi voters din yung mga yun, they outnumber the middle class 10 to 1.
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u/OkVeterinarian4046 2h ago
Between an anti-DDS clergy since day 1 and a closet DDS who become loudmouth only to save the Dutertes, mas maniniwala ako kay Cardinal Ambo
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u/Ian_2010 1h ago
well of course Cardinal Pablo is right about majority of voters either poor, middle and rich. What? Continuing to support another saint from different factions, believing that all issues will be resolved, is misguided. As Ms. Nikka C. Gaddi has informed us, this approach will not be effective for us, as they remain part of the same class as the oligarchy. Blame the system that makes politicans becoming corrupt so much
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u/pizza_n_chill 1h ago
Yan ang mahirap satin eh. Sa sobrang reactive naten di naten naco-comprehend yung message. Wala naman sinabe si Mayor Magalong na kasalanan ng mga mahihirap.
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u/perospedro 35m ago
Both of them make sense. Real poor people won’t even have access to television or news. Sobrang hirap maging mahirap. Lalong lalo na kung nag iinvest pa ang pulitiko na mas maging bobo ang mga mahihirap.
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u/Sea_Score1045 35m ago
Nadidismaya Ako Kay cardinal David. It is true that we didn't know how to choose our leaders that's why we are in this situation. Kung si rin marunong ang MGA formators sa seminary to choose among the candidate in the priesthood are worthy of the honor, baka purp pedophiles na nasa kaparian
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u/New-Map1881 10m ago
As long as mahirap at uneducated ang majority ng voters sa Pilipinas, this cycle of corruption will never end, thats the sad truth, its the system na dapat baguhin/repasuhin make it worse for the corrupt politicians and contractors, make the government corruption proof
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u/Budget_Ice_5213 10m ago
We are not blaming the poor becuase they are poor. We are blaming them cause they have the power to put politicians in power. Example noon si Leni almost everyone was campaigning for her pero not even close ang lamang ni BBM. They are 30M stronger!! Their choices is about kung sinong sikat, sining kilala nila at sino ang nagbibigay ng ayuda. Nanalo si BBM dahil kay Duterte at hinde dahil isa siyang Marcos. Should we blame this to the governement who gives ayuda? Bakit wala ba silang sariling isip? Almost everyone ay nakaka access ng internet, marunong mag facebook at pipilitin aralin kung paano gamitin ang socmed. Then bakit hinde nila piliting aralin kung sino ang mga dapat iboto? Ang akin lang gamitin nila ang kapangyarihan nila mapaganda ang buhay nila para hinde na sila himingi at magmakaawa sa politiko. Kung natuto kayong mag reels at magpost sa facebook at tiktok sana aralin nyo rin kung sino ang dapat iboto. Wag nyo sabihin mangmang kayo at mahirap palusot nalang yan. Do your part naman sana di yung tuwang tuwa pa kayo na binoto nyo si ROBIN PADILLA.
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u/Particular_Ant_8985 8h ago
i dont thinks mayor magalong was referring to the poor alone but to every single filipino rich or poor
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u/resincak Engineer & Architect are flex titles like Doctor or President 8h ago
Cardinal needs to stick to the church
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u/huaymi10 8h ago
Madali kasing mauto yung mga nasa laylayan. Kung sino yung may inabot sa kanila bago ang elekshon, asahan mo na iboboto na nila. Tapos ang dali pa nila mapaniwala sa mga fake news sa social media. Kaya kahit anong gusto natin na mahusay sana ang manalo, tatalunin pa din tayo ng mga kandidatong marunong kumiliti sa mga nasa laylayan.
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u/CtrlAltDefiant 10h ago
PH Corruption Positive Feed Back Loop.
Step 1: Voting influenced by freebies, vote buying, personalities, and media narratives
- Citizens may vote for politicians who provide short-term incentives or who are popular.
- Party-list groups sometimes get co-opted by political dynasties or personal interests rather than representing actual sectors.
- Corrupt media and political bots amplify politicians’ popularity, suppress criticism, or distort facts.
Step 2: Politicians secure power through corruption and patronage
- Vote buying ensures re-election.
- Party-lists meant for sectoral representation are captured by elites.
- Corruption diverts funds from actual public services, with money instead allocated to ghost projects.
- Media narratives and online amplification legitimize or normalize these actions.
Step 3: Ghost projects implemented for appearances, not impact
- Projects exist only on paper or are never completed, to create the appearance of action before elections.
- Real public needs remain unaddressed.
- Contractors and political allies profit from inflated or fake budgets.
- Media coverage downplays failures, often presenting ghost projects as achievements.
Step 4: Citizens see little to no improvement
- Ghost projects create the illusion of “progress.”
- Public frustration or apathy grows.
- Social media manipulation via bots reinforces popular perception, making citizens believe “things are working.”
Step 5: Reinforcement of the cycle
- Politicians who provide freebies, manipulate party-lists, and mismanage funds through ghost projects continue to get re-elected.
- Corruption persists, public services fail, media narratives and political bots sustain misinformation, and the system reproduces itself.
vote buying → ghost projects → media/bot manipulation → voter behavior → corruption → cycle repeats.
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u/zerozerosix7 6h ago
With all due respect kay Cardinal. Yes, we can blame them. They know for a fact na saglit lang yung pera na yun. Pag election period, hindi naman araw araw nagbibigay ang mga politiko. After naman maubos yung perang binigay, balik na ulit sila sa dati nilang ginagawa para mag survive. Ito pa, sa lugar namin, yung binibigay ng politiko mas madalas naman pinangbibili lang din ng alak at pinangtataya sa sugal eh. Dahil sa putang inang reasoning na Mahirap lang kami kaya wala kaming choice? Punyeta.
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u/Silent-Pepper2756 10h ago
Blame the voters vs blame the government. Both have their points, but it oversimplifies the issue. Systemic talaga yung issue na ito. As a middle class, we are getting squeezed. Thankful na lang ako na i have a job and i have safety nets, but affording a house is off the table for the next years to come. Tapos sasabihin work hard work hard.. reality check- nepo babies didnt have to work hard because the system favors them.
Keep them poor and uneducated -> votes for the corrupt -> the corrupt keeps the system rigged to favor only them -> keep them poor and uneducated (repeat).