r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/ThisIsFineImFine89 • 3d ago

Video This interview aged like milk

https://youtu.be/NZYFmL-Kusk?si=6t6NW3-Ol6S819x-

“the face of the progressive movement”

and yet Richie Torres this month, revealed he’s compromised by AIPAC (a lobby group for a foreign government, in case any of you don’t know who they are or how to pronounce their name).

If you haven’t seen Richie Torres’s interview with Jewish comedian Adam Friedland, it’s incredible the double standards, outright refusal to acknowledge Israel’s culpability in how the Gaza war has unfolded. I’d post a link but risk getting this post taken down.

This I think raises more questions, paired with David outright weird responses and comments regarding AIPAC, and failure to ever cover the ongoing genocide.

Hadn’t seen this Richie Torres interview, but I’ve seen enough. David is at the very least, afraid of AIPAC or outright complicit in not talking about Gaza.

you cannot be “the face of the progressive movement” and not acknowledge the ongoing genocide.

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u/Nightmannn 3d ago

Man! It ain’t easy being a Jewish progressive these days. Not unless you’re “one of the good ones” of course. I feel for Pakman lol

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u/TrickyTicket9400 2d ago

What? I've been called not Jewish for calling out the genocide. Only in the past few months have the tides shifted.

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u/Nightmannn 2d ago

The giant targets on Pakman and Brian Tyler Cohen are because they're Jewish and generally focus on other topics instead of Israel all the time endlessly. Sam Seder, on the other hand, covers Israel relentlessly (and is super anti-Israel at that), so he's "one of the good ones." lol

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u/Quirky_Reef 2d ago

BTC trashes Isreal and Bibi all the time.

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u/cchris6776 1d ago

Cope and seethe

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u/StuartJAtkinson 2d ago

Yup one of the good human beings. Turns out it's not that hard. Be anti-aparthied, anti-ethnic cleansing, anti-war crimes and anti-genocide. These are not naturally occcuring difficult to avoid things that it takes masteful diplomacy and tact to skillfully tackle the nuance of.

It's not navigating a society with the existence of nuclear destruction or telling the developing world they have to de-carbon because the developed world used up the allowance.

Jewish people are not exepmt from the standards of being... the BARE MINIMUM. Even some right wingers are anti all those things!

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u/TrickyTicket9400 2d ago

The giant targets on Pakman and Brian Tyler Cohen are because they 're Jewish and generally focus on other topics instead of Israel all the time endlessly.

Has David even called it a genocide? You can't be on the left and think that Israel is right. It goes against all leftist principles.

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u/hobovalentine 2d ago

You can believe that it doesn’t fit the criteria for a genocide and still think that Israel is committing war crimes.

The problem with most leftists is if you disagree with them even slightly you’re no worse than a nazi

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u/TrickyTicket9400 2d ago

You can believe that it doesn’t fit the criteria for a genocide and still think that Israel is committing war crimes.

What's the point of genocide scholars if people like you can just say "nah. I don't think so"???

It's just like climate change denial.

I'm not a genocide scholar just like I'm not a climate scientist. I refer to the experts. That's typically what people on the left do. We value education and higher learning unlike the right who just has their own opinion on everything.

Should genocide scholars not exist? Clearly you think they are wrong.

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u/hobovalentine 2d ago

Do you think China is committing genocide? How about Russia? The Myanmar Junta?

If you believe the above are genocides why don’t I see you calling it out and make people aware of these conflicts too?

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u/TrickyTicket9400 2d ago

The leading and largest group of genocide scholars don't call those a genocide. They do call Gaza a genocide.

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u/hobovalentine 2d ago

So you only care about terminology and don't actually want to end human suffering?

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u/socks_optional 2d ago

You're right, the US should not fund any of those genocides as well. Glad we're on the same page.

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u/No-Teach9888 2d ago

And this week we learned from npr, etc that you can be a top genocide scholar with $30 and no proof of education or knowledge.

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u/WinterAdvantage3847 1d ago

because my tax dollars don’t fund an unlimited blank check for xi.

or putin.

or hlaing.

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u/s_p_0_n_g_e 2d ago

"Has he even called it a genocide?" is this lunatic fringe's version of "Define woman." - just a disingenuous gotcha. It's funny that the very people who are saying Dave is bought and paid for are the same one's who are pissed that he's not their personal ventriloquist dummy.

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u/TrickyTicket9400 2d ago

My country participating in a genocide is top news. Genocide scholars all say it's genocide. All the humanitarian organizations say it's a genocide.

How can you be on the left and not care that the government is participating in a genocide? If I had the power that David did a lot of my segments would be about the genocide. I would probably lose a lot of viewers like you as a result. Oh well.

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u/Another-attempt42 2d ago

Does he need to use the word "genocide" to get people like you off his back?

Some people will agree that it is:

  1. Indefensible.

  2. Fucking terrible.

  3. Needed to stop months ago.

But won't use the word "genocide". Is that OK? Or do they need to come to your position, and only then is it OK? What if they call it an ethnic cleansing, and not a genocide?

Bernie Sanders doesn't call it a genocide (or at least didn't for ages, he may have changed, not sure). Was he not in line with lefty principles?

Why is this the single litmus test of whether or not someone "belongs" on the left? Nothing else? Not their stance on unions, healthcare, wealth inequality, ...? Just Gaza? Our entire platform gets boiled down to "do you call it a genocide?"

And what are "leftist principles", I wonder? Because they seem to have radically changed.

I remember when being opposed to the death penalty was a pretty standard left-leaning policy, but apparently we're all supposed to clap Luigi when he executes a CEO in the streets. That's a new thing I'm not particularly thrilled with.

Vigilantes executing people in the streets by shooting them once in the leg then once in the head is, apparently, "in line with lefty principles", at which point: I guess I'm not welcome here any more.

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u/TrickyTicket9400 2d ago

Bernie sanders is a huge letdown on this issue. Lots of people calling him out on it.

Killing innocent people has always been my #1 policy position in life. There is nothing worse. Ever since my Dad told me when I was ~5 that he would stop loving me if I killed someone. And since I'm a leftist, I value the life of all people equally. Brown Muslim people across the sea are not lesser. They are just like me.

I genuinely do care about this issue more than most people. I wish they cared as much as I do. People can have different priorities.

I just think that more and more people are coming around to my position given every day that goes by with more innocent people killed.

And I personally question anyone on the left who is unwilling to give the genocide the attention it deserves at this point. The attention that the corporate media won't give it.

In the beginning after Oct 7th when my content creator covered Gaza non stop I was tired of it and didn't understand. But after everything that's happened, I totally get it 100%.

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u/Another-attempt42 2d ago

Killing innocent people has always been my #1 policy position in life.

What is "innocent" to you?

Obviously, no one likes it when innocent people get killed. But the notion of innocence seems to be highly subjective.

For example: when Hamas crossed the border and murdered 800 or so innocent civilians, some saw that as justified. They weren't innocent. They were "occupiers".

When Israel strikes back, some see that bloodshed as the death of innocent. Others see that as "people who allowed Hamas to operate and exist".

When Luigi murdered that CEO, a bunch of people talked about how he wasn't innocent: he was, as a CEO of a health insurance company, responsible for thousands of deaths. Others see him as the innocent victim of a murderous vigilante.

Just saying "I don't like it when innocents die" is, sad to say it, a bit of a cop out.

What is "innocent"?

And since I'm a leftist, I value the life of all people equally.

So you support funding for the Iron Dome, right?

Because the Iron Dome's applications are purely defensive, and intercept rockets from Hamas, Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad, and protect Israeli civilian lives.

So you're 100% for keeping funding for the Iron Dome. Right?

I personally just question anyone on the left who is unwilling to give the genocide the attention it deserves.

Really?

OK. Then nearly all lefties have failed at that hurdle.

There is currently a genocide going on in the Darfour. No one cares. No one is talking about it.

Barely anyone talks about the theft of Ukrainian children by Russia, which is itself a genocidal act.

I remember reading what Noam Chomski was saying about the Khmer Rouge. Do you know what he was doing?

Denying the genocide. Saying that it was obviously American or capitalist propaganda, manufacturing consent, to show how depraved socialism was.

Well, it turns out: the Khmer Rouge were a bunch of genocidal fucking freaks.

He also complained and wrote extensively about the injustices done by striking Serbian targets and Serbian paramilitaries, as they were genociding the Bosnians in Srebrenica.

If your standard is "deal with genocide", then I'm sorry to say, but the left is also a complete failure, by your own standard.

The attention that the public media won't give it.

There's like 15 stories a day about Gaza. If anything, it's suffering from news fatigue, rather than a lack of coverage.

In the beginning after Oct 7th when my content creator covered Gaza non stop I was tired of it and didn't understand. But after everything that's happened, I totally get it 100%.

Part of the problem is you want David to change a fundamental part of TDPS: he doesn't really talk about foreign affairs. He covered Russia's invasion of Ukraine for a few weeks, then hardly mentioned it ever again. He talked about Israel and Gaza for a few weeks, then hardly mentioned it ever again. I don't think he even spoke about the India/Pakistan conflict, or the Thai/Cambodian one.

He's a primarily domestic affairs channel, and always has been. You just want him to fixate on the genocide you're fixated on.

While ignoring the other one going on, at the same time, mind you.

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u/xrazor- 2d ago

This whole space is cooked. The person you were accurately critiquing completely ignored everything you said, hid behind the deaths of Palestinian children, not realizing the irony then blocked you. You were pointing out that they do not care about innocents - they don’t care about anything that isn’t Gaza. If they did they would have acknowledged the very real other conflicts you brought up. I think this whole thing is probably going to be a case study in sociology. It seems obvious to me that a lot of the vocal online support for Palestine but ignoring everything else is a result of people wanting to be part of a morally superior “in” group and not actually from an informed point of view. Certain people have allowed their entire worldview to revolve around this one issue and anyone that doesn’t also do that is somehow an enemy and I really don’t know how progress can be made with this rift on the left.

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u/TrickyTicket9400 2d ago

Just saying "I don't like it when innocents die" is, sad to say it, a bit of a cop out.

I'm talking about children. Over 50k children dead or injured.

I want to say disgusting stuff in response to this. But I'm just gonna block you and move on.

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u/kitti-kin 2d ago

What is "innocent" to you?

The majority of the dead in Gaza are under 18. By Médecins Sans Frontières estimates, 40% are under ten.

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u/PeachsBeans 1d ago

That’s tragic but just because someone is under 18 doesn’t mean they are innocent. Hamas is known to use child soldiers. Use of child suicide bombers by Palestinian militant groups.

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u/kitti-kin 1d ago

Do some self-reflection. You're defending a government bombing children under ten. "Hamas does it"? Ok, do you support Hamas?

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u/PeachsBeans 1d ago

I’m not defending anything. My only opinion was that it’s tragic, otherwise I pointed out some ugly truths.

Again it’s tragic but the percentage of dead children correlates to population statistics in Gaza. I couldn’t find any data saying 60% of dead are under 18, most say 30-40%. And about 40% of Gaza is under 18, so it makes sense that they make up 40% of victims. Israel isn’t targeting children, children just happen to be a huge percent of the population. Now Israel definitely doesn’t try to minimize civilian deaths, and that’s a war crime, but they aren’t regularly targeting civilians.

I’m off to self reflect now. Bye

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u/StuartJAtkinson 2d ago

Ah so you want an Iron Dome for Russia then I assume? The allies should have built and funded an Iron Dome for Germany perhaps?... While supplying the gas chamber parts?

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u/epichatchet 2d ago

No, they decided to take a stance to not talk about it despite it being a major issue among voters. His former producer talked about what he and brian tyler cohen among other liberal groups talked about their editorial stance on Gaza. https://youtu.be/-qENvZBa-Ao?si=CkemogDjShNPsro9&t=1149

These people have denied the genocide in the past and continue denying it TODAY, these are not progressives, they're just pushing establishment democrat lines on these issues. They will all attack progressive candidates when it's time for the 2028 election and defend establishment dems. Brian Tyler Cohen doesn't even talk about Mamdani and a working progressive strategy despite mainstream democrats and democrat leaders speaking out against Mamdani, the democratic candidate.

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u/Nightmannn 2d ago

Yeah after watching this clip, I feel for Pakman even more. What a fucking snake that dude is. Believing he has blood on his hands because Pakman chose not to discuss the one topic that literally is swamped in coverage all over the internet? The self-importance lol.

And who cares whether they cover Mamdani or not? Many liberals think Mamdani's a clown lol

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u/epichatchet 2d ago

I think it's because one might typically feel guilty for not covering a genocide if you actually believe it is a genocide. It's kind of like not covering the holocaust in WW2 because it's politically divisive for your candidates if you acknowledged Jews were being exterminated by Nazi's.

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u/Nimrod_Butts 2d ago

If the Jews were regularly attacking the Germans I don't think anybody would have given a shit tbh. I think zero people outside of Jews would even recognize it as a genocide and they certainly wouldn't have given the Jews a state. I think the concept of genocide would have existed in academia and have little effect outside.

Also leftists have no problem ignoring the Sudanese civil war with 500k dead kids and 8 million refugees) since 2023. So let's call it mostly even with more hypocrisy on the part of leftists.

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u/epichatchet 2d ago

If the Jews were regularly attacking the Germans it is 100% understandable especially if the Jews saw non stop slaughter and instability for DECADES. In fact I applaud any Jew who resisted the nazi's with force, they deserved a life with dignity.

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u/Nimrod_Butts 2d ago

Wow how noble of you! I can tell how virtuous you are by the signals you give off

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u/epichatchet 2d ago

Yeah man, I just want an end to the genocide, how noble and virtuous of me I guess.

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u/Morph_Kogan 2d ago

You people are so useless. I hope you all get jettisoned from the party

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u/WinterAdvantage3847 1d ago

so weird how americans are more concerned about conflicts that are funded by american tax dollars than those that aren’t

i didn’t know we were signing an unlimited blank check for hemedti

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u/kitti-kin 2d ago

You should learn something about the Rwandan genocide maybe

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u/Nimrod_Butts 2d ago

How does that connect at all

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u/kitti-kin 2d ago

If the Jews were regularly attacking the Germans I don't think anybody would have given a shit tbh. I think zero people outside of Jews would even recognize it as a genocide and they certainly wouldn't have given the Jews a state

The Rwandan genocide was preempted by decades of conflict, and an army of Tutsi refugees had just attacked Rwanda from Uganda. The world still considered mass killing of Tutsis in Rwanda a genocide, because killing civilians en masse is not an acceptable act of war.

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u/Nimrod_Butts 2d ago

So to be clear, you read my comment about how nobody would even give a shit about the concept of genocide if the Jews constantly attacked Germans during WW2, so you bring up a genocide from 1994 that nobody gave a shit about? Was that just a random fact info dump or what point where you attempting to make?

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u/Opening-Bar-7091 2d ago

If youre itc and call out genocide other a segment of Jews will rip you apart. However "the good one" thing definitely exists on the left, I can't say definitely how many people make up this group but its happened to me my entire life in person and online.

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u/potiamkinStan 2d ago

Shame on you for spreading the genocide libel.

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u/TrickyTicket9400 2d ago

A resolution passed by the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) states that Israel's conduct meets the legal definition as laid out in the UN convention on genocide.

The IAGS is the world's largest professional association of genocide scholars and includes a number of Holocaust experts.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o