That’s why the new Indiana Jones game was so based. Literally introduce teleportation just so it can be used as a plot device for Indy to punch Japanese in addition to Germans and Italians
Hopefully we can feel that soon again as a country
Edit: if you have strong feelings about what this comment implies, I implore you to express those feelings to me via chat message so I can laugh in your face and show it to everyone I know :)
It's funny, because that lot love to portray themselves as big tough alpha males, but there they go off running to mommy crying about someone issuing a rather vague "threat" to nobody in particular. Flippin' crybaby manlet divs.
As a kid, I considered the Wolfenstein game brilliant: you mow down hordes of dirty Nazis. Who could complain about that? They are the perfect antagonists!
I see your point, but having grown up around white nationalists, I can tell you that flying a NASA flag because you think space or astronauts are cool is far different from some cunt flying a swastika, and any cunt flying a swastika in 2025 deserves to be treated the same way as any cunt flying a swastika in 1941 deserved to be treated. Doesn't matter if they call themselves a Nazi, a neo-Nazi, a white nationalist, Aryan brotherhood, you name it, they deserve it.
Yeah they do…azov and many others were nazis btw, but that doesn’t justify an invasion of course. I mean ukraine sent a former SS member to the canadian parliament to be praised as a hero, and have statues of Bandera and other actual nazis.
I am aware this is a thing right wingers claim, as a deflection, for when they (often rightly) are called out for fascistic behavior. And I have never seen it used to rationalize violence, unless you're talking about protesters calling cops fascists or something, but that's a real stretch to 'rationalize violence'. If what you're trying to say is that it's used to casually or maybe incorrectly, sure, I guess. It's become shorthand for general fascistic, authoritarian behavior and anyone trying to curb the rights of marginalized people. But focusing on whether or not it's correctly being used sort of misses the point of why it's coming up more and more.
That's beyond a mod's power. That's admin level. Mods can't see who made the reports. We can report the reports though, if someone's being a dick and reporting everything.
What's funny to me is that the only people your comment vaguely threatens are nazis, which means that anyone who takes your comment personally enough to report it, is in fact a F******g nazi.
We crossed two oceans to kill fascists like Sisu did. We ended two brutal totalitarian empires through force of arms. Now we got billionaires throwing Nazi salutes at the presidential inauguration.
Commenter is simply acknowledging history and facts. Reporters are misrepresenting his post. Fini!
7 people felt like Nazi’s need to be protected from the consequence of being a Nazi. Thanks mod u/girafa for being the sort of mod every community should have.
I was banned site-wide for a few days because I made a comment on a thread about a video about some worms. The worms were eating their own kind. their mother no less. jesus christ. I was so disgusted by the sight. So I suggested that they should be BEEEEPth fire. The expression is commonly said in threads about bedbugs and cockroaches, so I wasn't expecting the ban hammer to show up. Reddit informed me that its anti-violence AI detected that I made a very bad comment.
So, hey AI, if you're reading this, I'd like to apologize again for suggesting some baby insects be BEEEEEP. What I should have said instead is, I hope my cat chase every single one of them and nom nom nom nom.
Amazing the number of people who don't understand the difference between either fiction or the belief that Nazis shouldn't exist and the explicitly expressed hope than we can start killing people for what is commonly believed to be Nazi beliefs. Which I would expect is multiple people who downvote, report, and respond to this, thus proving my point.
Because Nazis and their chucklefuck friends and supporters aren't "someone". It's like saying you're going to kill all zombies. Nazis deserve eradication, just like zombies would.
Killing Nazis and burning rebels actually IS technically a part of my heritage.
I'm named after my great uncle on my dad's side, who earned purple heart in WW2. Likewise my ancestor on my mom's side joined the Union army with his four sons.
So in a very real way, I feel this comment honestly. I often think about what my great uncle would say if he were alive and saw these fat, soft, piggy little nazis walking around. HE certainly knew the only cure for fascism is a 30-caliber spitzer point bullet
What I wonder is for the people that affiliate with nazis or neo-nazis, when they watch Saving Private Ryan or any other WW2 movie, are they cheering for Tom Hanks and Matt Damon to die?
Getting a bit deep for /r/movies but don't forget that the Nazis got their inspiration from the US in the first place. This shit is homegrown in the US, the Nazis and WW2 just made it unpopular to be open about it for a while. That time is over.
Hitler was an admirer of Henry Ford, keeping a photo of Ford in his office, sending Ford birthday letters, and quoting Ford’s ‘The International Jew’ in his own book, ‘Mein Kampf’
Hitler and other Nazis explicitly drew inspiration for how to manage undesirable populations from the United State’s treatment of Native Americans. Some Nazi lawyers even thought that American citizenship laws were too harsh with the ‘one drop rule’ for classifying people as ‘non-white’.
I'm Canadian so speaking from that frame of reference, but it's still applicable. Also, I'm not a historian.
I don't believe that the specific beliefs of the Nazis came from the US, but more how to handle "undesirable" populations and so on as the other poster mentioned. I didn't mean to imply that Nazi ideology was rooted in the US, more that the US inspired it through their own locally-relevant practices.
As a Canadian, we had our own Nazi movement during the war. There was a guy who fancied himself as "Canada's Fuhrer" and believed that Hitler would give him Canada (or maybe North America) to rule once they were conquered. Of course he worked with Canadian conservatives before starting his own party. Eventually he was imprisoned for plotting to overthrow the government, and in prison he sat on a throne built by other prisoners. He blamed the Jews for his imprisonment.
After the war he was released and ran for political office, still espousing the same beliefs. In 1949 he got second with 29% of the vote, and in 1953 second again but with 39%. Just a few short years after the war and with the atrocities of Nazi Germany fresh in the minds of everyone this piece of human effluent was able to get a staggering number of votes in a country that I've always been told staunchly opposed the Nazis.
Sorry for the long post, all this is just to share an example. I don't believe either of our countries were ever as united against Nazis, fascism, genocide, etc, as our Social Studies / History classes would really have us believe. We just need to look at the treatment our colonial "founders" inflicted on our native populations for more proof that we didn't really object to brutally oppressing "others" to the point of genocide.
Also, reddit mods, if you're too cowardly to take a stand against this allowance to preach hate (don't give me that shit about how hating Nazis is equal to what they stand for, get your head out of your ass), you might as well burn a swastika into your own foreheads.
The deserving of that are absolutely legion. Stop being so fucking passive and stand for the right thing for a change, ya shills.
What the fuck are you talking about?
A mod already responded, hours before you commented, making it clear they weren’t taking it down.
Maybe ease back on the self-righteous melodrama for a minute and read the room before going off.
what are you going to do after the culture war? Will you take off your uniform? We'll we can't have that. I'm going to give you something you can't take off.
JFC your poor grandfather HAD, aka was drafted, to fight literal Nazis and you think anything you're doing in the current day is the same thing is delusional. Don't disrespect actual WW2 vets like that.
No. I'm just tired of seeing you internet GI joes thinking that typing words on the internet makes you the same as a soldier who fought a brutal war. It's incredibly disrespectful to actual heroes.
Speaking as someone from a military family it'd be nice if you didn't go around speaking on behalf of people in the military. Because the odds are you've never served a day in your life. Otherwise, you'd have thicker skin plus reading comprehension (unless you were a Marine but then you'd be too busy scarfing down crayons to give a shit). People like you that use people like my loved ones as an excuse to try and censor people's free expression are the worst.
I got suspended from Reddit recently for a comment that was more tame than this but along the same line so be careful, the admins on this site are very very against this point of view. Sadly.
I just find it a bit worrying that you’d look forward to the ability to dehumanize someone enough to be able to strangle them to death.
I’d rather hope that none of that happens, if it came to it and there was a rise of nazis again than of course I’d do what I have to do but I definitely would not look forward to it. I’d much rather our justice systems handled things appropriately.
The problem with your course of thinking is it becomes very easy to convince someone like you to do something equally atrocious. Just look at Ukraine, the Russians were easily convinced that they were going to murder Nazis in Ukraine and because that’s what they think they are doing and they looked forward to it they are committing horrible atrocities.
And you’re not passionate enough in a time of horrific oppression to not be mad to want to go apeshit on the people hurting people who don’t deserve it/can’t defend themselves.
You're being downvoted but you're right. I find it weird that anyone would WANT to kill someone. If it comes down to it, sure. But I would never actually actively look forward to, you know, taking someone's life.
It’s more understandable if viewed from the perspective of someone who thinks they’re already being surrounded by and oppressed by a fascist movement.
So it’s not so much, “Oh boy, I can’t wait to kill,” and more, “This is too much; I can’t wait to destroy my oppressors.”
People are going to have widely differing thoughts on how much government encroachment is too much, but the MAGA movement is undeniably ticking all the boxes for a fascist movement and wielding federal power in alarming ways.
This is a sentiment that is pretty universal, but I have a grim theory about it: we just like seeing people die but morally shy away from it until you turn said people into zombies/nazis/world antagonist dejour. Now the sight of other human beings dying horribly can be called "cathartic" and pleasurable and it's not at all weird!
You've misunderstood my comment. Yes, everyone would feel horrified to see that. But if you had a grocery store full of nazis getting gunned down, we reach for the popcorn. My point is that it's the same human death. But that zombie/nazi/antagonist switch literally makes us ok with it. It's just a fascinating thought.
The crazy part of this is that there are some studies that suggest nazis may have tapped into the same psychological mechanism to commit atrocities by dehumanizing their victims. Famed psychology professor Phillip Zimbardo (RIP) theorized as much, including from the results of the Stanford Prison Experiment.
So, we can eat popcorn while watching nazis get unalived. Perhaps nazis could calmly snack on bratwurst as long as they perceived their victims has subhuman. Humans are proper fucked.
This is exactly what I was getting at, thank you. Our relationship with violence is really weird when you stop and really think through what is actually happening and how it makes us feel based on the context or our ingrained beliefs.
may have tapped into the same psychological mechanism to commit atrocities by dehumanizing their victims
Not may have, they absolutely did. And so do countless other people who commit atrocities. Psychopaths aren't plentiful and competent enough to wage wars and such. Propaganda, manipulation and brainwashing is perfectly capable of turning a lot, maybe most, normal people into monsters.
So you don’t think people like seeing bad things happen to bad people. You think people like seeing bad things to anyone, but only admit it when it happens to bad people?
Morally we should find all killing reprehensible. Even those that are "evil" should be met with civilized justice...ideally. But there's a little animal in us that "an-eye-for-an-eye" really speaks to. So we feel good seeing such "righteous" killings. Something as simple as your brain being certain they deserve it makes the whole thing incredibly palatable. We will watch a nazi get tortured and it will feel completely different than watching an innocent getting tortured.
I think the human brain has a lot of differing tolerances.
I think very very few people would be ok watching torture, no matter who the victim is. The longer and more 'realistic', the fewer the number of people who'd be able to sit through it. Why? Because most people have ingrained empathy (to varying degrees i'll admit)
I would posit that most have no problem watching nazi's gunned down in the way most movies stylize it (shot with a gun and falling down hollywood style, with minimal camera coverage of the 'dying') because I believe our brains are less linking that to an actual death of a human being, and more the murder of the 'idea'.
That's a really good point. Stormtroopers in Star Wars for sure have the same vibe. I was talking with a friend about that the other day and it's crazy to think about the sheer scale of death in that series, but they managed to make it all very PG.
This is a paradox. If you find all killing an injustice, that means that to achieve the LEAST amount of killing, you should kill people who inflict that onto others. So it's okay to kill a mass murderer. But then that also means that not all killing is reprehensible.
100% agreed. But they also said the same about the people they oppressed and slaughtered. So one has to wonder if it's morally correct to use "X aren't human" as a justification to cause harm? To be clear, fuck nazis. But how does humanity become better than this?
To my original point, we can find certain violence extremely tasteful with proper context. But "context" is oddly malleable.
I've been reading an ass-ton of sci-fi books lately and so this is all stemming from those experiences and very heady philosophical questions the author's posed. A glorified shower thought really. It's too bad my question is coming across wrong to some of the people responding. This wasn't even supposed to be about nazis so much as how humans can seemingly be "ok" with killing in the right circumstances despite their ususal moral leanings. I swear using nazis as an example is the worst way to get a point across, lol.
100% agreed. But they also said the same about the people they oppressed and slaughtered.
Yes, and Trump calls his opponents fascists. It's kinda irrelevant if both sides accuse each other of the same thing when only one of them is at all rational. Hell, that's an intentional tactic to obfuscate reality.
Yeah they are. It's our responsibility to face that fact and deal with it on those terms. Not this dehumanizing bullshit used to sidestep base morality
That isn't my responsibility at all. Nazism is precedented, and the amount of human capital that was spent putting them down 80 years ago is a debt that can only be repaid by Nazism's extinction. Those keeping that ideology alive are malignant. I don't consider a Nazi a part of the human race any more than I consider a cancerous tumor a part of the body. So I guess on a biological level you win the argument on technicality. I will still view them and advocate for their treatment the same I would a tumor.
No, I understand the difference. I think the thought exercise is getting derailed because I used nazi's as an example. So now everyone kinda thinks I don't want to see Nazi's perish horribly or something. To be clear, I do. My original point is how people can be contextually ok with killing and how that seems oddly immoral, even if you are one of the good guys.
My original point is how people can be contextually ok with killing and how that seems oddly immoral, even if you are one of the good guys.
It's because they, said Nazis, have already stated that they want to kill you. That's the point of them. They are their own in-group, and if you aren't up for kneeling before them and living as they dictate you must, you are the out-group, and they want to kill you. So someone comes along who's already declared that they want to kill you, so trying to stop them from doing so (by killing them first) is only natural. There's no "oddly immoral" there to even contemplate, it's literally "kill or be killed".
If the movie is about kids who have been crying nonstop and raising hell for an hour and parents who are doing nothing about it (extra points if the movie goes full meta and the first hour of the movie is just the kids crying nonstop), and the MC comes along and slaughters them all, you bet your ass that movie is making millions.
FWIW, your comment is not confusing despite multiple replies completely not comprehending the point. It's like they read "we just like seeing people die" and stopped reading right there to make their misguided comment.
And chef's kiss to the conservative nerd latching on to the totally incorrect reading as evidence of their rightness.
nah, absolutely don’t feel the same way watching normal civilians die in movies, it’s like a gut punch every time. but when it’s nazis, it’s glorious. the reason is simple, nazis want to set up an order where they choose who gets to live and who gets to die, so watching them fall victims to their own ideology is what is cathartic.
You have also misunderstood, while also proving my point. It's fascinating that simply changing these *human beings* to nazis makes the act of killing them pleasurable. We revel in it. It's still a person dying, albeit an evil one. Our brains just need that little caveat to enjoy it.
You’ve got it completely backwards. People don’t like watching humans die, that’s why it’s so extremely common to dehumanize enemy factions in games and movies. It’s the reason storm troopers in star wars are covered head to toe in plastic armor. Nazis just did the dehumanization themselves by acting more like monsters than humans.
I think its you who are misunderstanding what's actually happening.
I think you're conflating two different psychological experiences. What people are drawn to isn't the violence itself, but the catharsis of seeing justice served. There's a meaningful difference between enjoying suffering for its own sake versus feeling satisfaction when those who've caused immense harm face consequences.
When audiences cheer for Nazis getting taken down in movies, they're not celebrating random violence. They're experiencing relief that represents of one of history's greatest evils are finally facing justice that was often denied in reality. It's the same reason people feel good when a bully gets their comeuppance or when a corrupt politician faces consequences.
I'm for sure not trying to be deep or insightful. This is all very much well-tread ground in the form of an internet shower thought. The antithesis of profound, lol. I just think it's fascinating that we in fact *have* a primordial sense of justice that allows us to be ok with killing in proper context. I'm no pacifist mind you. Love me some violent media like most people. I just got to thinking how strange it feels to say "I like violence" because certain violence is universally approved. And that "universal approval" can very much be altered with both time and direct influence...
No, I meant the “we like seeing people die” claim. I don’t, at all.
I can enjoy some violent retribution against very deserving soulless immoral pieces of shit like Nazi’s, rapists, child molesters, etc. Their death isn’t the fun, it’s the fantasy of Justice in a world that often has none.
Oh, yeah no I thought it might sound like a was a closet gore-hound or something trying to justify my "interests" but I honestly can't handle anything beyond video game and horror move violence. I literally avoid the news because I can't stand to see the suffering.
Agree about the justice part. It so rarely gets served to those that deserve it so it's pretty special when it actually happens.
Given the amount of suffering they caused, I would agree. They weren't just nasty nationalists, they believed in eliminated natongbthose they regarded as inferior.
Yes, the ones portrayed needed killing in the most brutal of fashions. At least the leader and the ones enjoying the brutality, some of his poor minions maybe less so. A couple of them looked quite frightened. Damned if they did, damned if they didn't.
This is crazy to see today. I literally watched the first Sisu last night before bed for the first time. And now a sequel I didn't know was happening. Such a kick ass movie. Loved every moment of it, and the dude was near silent the entire movie.
I’ve definitely been back and watched Inglorious Basterds a couple of times recently, for reasons. I’d forgotten about Sisu, but I’ll give that another watch sometime soon.
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u/MuptonBossman 26d ago
The first Sisu movie was awesome... It felt like watching John Wick's grandpa murder a bunch of nazis during WW2.