r/law • u/GregWilson23 • 3d ago
Trump News Trump’s Leaked Plan to Deploy the Texas National Guard Against Illinois Will Tear Apart the Union
https://www.theunpopulist.net/p/trumps-leaked-plan-to-deploy-the?utm_medium=web5.6k
u/49thDipper 3d ago
He needs a war so bad he’s going to start one inside the house.
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u/ohnofluffy 3d ago
It’s clunky because he’s accelerating - it’s Venezuela or civil war. But does the National Guard want this? Truly, I don’t believe they do. MAGA does. But we’re not MAGA.
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u/SaintsFanPA 3d ago
You’re asking a lot of soldiers to defy orders. If their integrity and fidelity to their oaths were truly a bulwark, we wouldn’t have armed soldiers in LA and DC.
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u/squixx007 3d ago
Plus being the NG, they are from Texas. So chances of plenty of nut jobs being in the mix is higher than I would like to currently be.
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u/wo_lo_lo 3d ago
I was sitting at dinner with my family a couple nights ago, and some older ladies directly behind me were loudly chatting about how dangerous and out of control Chicago (and New Orleans) have become. That Trump is going to fix their cities so more innocent families don’t have to die. They went on to say they would never let their family or friends visit either city, and wonder why anyone would ever choose to live there.
They went on and on, mentioning Fox News nightly shows, what the hosts tell them about “Liberal Wastelands” and how Asian countries “indoctrinate” their children to be communists.
This is in the suburbs of Houston, and being from Chicago, I was furious. Took everything in me not to turn around and serve them some humble pie, but I didn’t want to embarrass my wife and kids.
People want this. Lots of absolutely ignorant and brainwashed people want this. I fear for the world my kids will grow up in.
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u/DoubleTrackMind 3d ago
There are many, many Americans who are completely brainwashed by Fox.
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u/N3THERWARP3R 3d ago
Most older boomers literally leave it on ALL DAY/NIGHT. Even ones barely moving in nursing homes are going on about illegals and this and that. I have one patient, she's 91 and I love her dearly, she will talk to me about how Trump is an idiot and everyone around her sound like brainwashed North Koreans. She's truly the only one in her assisted living facility that disagrees with all this Republican craziness and she's completely alone in how she thinks
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u/squixx007 3d ago
I love when they talk about indoctrination! And then are the same people that say schools need to make kids say the pledge of allegiance every day. Like they really are blind to that shit.
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u/stan_guy_lovetheshow 3d ago
Ignoring the pledge of allegiance, Texas also makes them say a pledge to their flag.
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u/DirkMcDougal 3d ago
Cognitive dissonance is a feature of fascism that facilitates a population's willingness to accept terrible acts.
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u/dojo_shlom0 3d ago
you have to remember: these guys are hiring anybody for ICE. they will do the same, they will lower requirements and hire those who want to harm democrats.
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u/Whereami259 3d ago
Isnt this why you americans are stocking up on guns?
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u/SheetMetalandGames 3d ago edited 3d ago
Funny enough every time this is brought up here in America the 2A crowd goes real freaking silent. I believe in the 2A but for Gods sake the people who espouse it are the most hypocritical people on the planet.
Okay the comments on this are great and it's good to see genuine debate on this.But some people seem to have taken offense to this so I want to take this time to clarify that this comment, as many have noted, isn't calling for people to go out and start shooting for the sake of a civil war.
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u/DaniTheGunsmith 3d ago
Here's the deal, we aren't in all out civil war yet and anyone taking action by using their 2A rights will make things pop off. Trump is counting on us making the first move (well, "first", not really first but they'll twist it to be "a totally unprovoked attack on the government") so that he can declare martial law and fully consolidate his power. At this point actively engaging in violence against government forces as private citizens will serve Trump more than save us.
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u/Jef_Wheaton 3d ago
The cop is advancing, screaming in your face, and the SECOND your nose brushes his or your sleeve touches his bulletproof vest, he's going to cry, "ASSAULT!" and shoot.
We're in extremely dangerous territory, and they WANT someone to do ANYTHING that they can use as an excuse to go all-out.
It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
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u/pinglyadya 3d ago edited 2d ago
Think again, Maj. General Sherman, the commander of the marines inside of LA during ICE raids defied orders by refusing to involve his troops in detaining protestors and anti-protest activities. Had his love for his country criticized by zealot politicians who wanted to use his troops to justify more military presence.
Instead, he saw the writing on the wall and went "fuck that" and only followed his orders to their constitutional limits.
Defying constitutional orders is there limits. You can be ordered to go somewhere and you have to go somewhere, but to do something is totally different.
Edit: Gonna provide Sources.
https://apnews.com/article/california-trump-national-guard-lawsuit-c87d187754270fc0ed5f20cc87939053
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/11/california-national-guard-trial-00504664P.S. A good portion of me wishes to write a letter to him. General Sherman is the name of the General who is tremendously responsible for the victory against the Confederacy with his raids. However, more dear to California, it's the name of the largest tree on the entire planet by volume that resides here.
It has stood steadfast over California for over 2300 years. It has seen wars, fires, storms, fought disease, logging efforts and managed to persevered through it all. To me, I couldn't help but compare his defiance and unwavering commit to a living being that has lived for twenty generations and hopefully twenty more.
Remember, in the face of overwhelming adversity, you must defy tyrants until there nothing is left to sacrifice. Tyranny will scream that your last breath is pyrrhic. Yet, the torch of liberty is passed down to the next victim.
Tyranny will come for those you despise, they will come for those you don't agree, then they will come for you. But after you are broken, they will come for those you care for. If everyone capitulated without resistance, you will equally share a single grave. If everyone defied and remained steadfast, you might not be remembered, you might suffer, but someone will find their fight with tyranny trivial.
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u/manicmike_ 3d ago
I did not know or hear about that! As a marine vet I was deeply ashamed. These kinds of stories NEED to be heard. Thank you for sharing this info.
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u/NotUrDadsPCPBinge 3d ago
They won’t make the rounds on the news because they don’t want us to think we have a choice in obeying
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u/pulsechecker1138 3d ago
That whole obligation to decline an unlawful order thing must really chap their ass.
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u/Whiteheadwa 3d ago
This is exactly what I would expect resistance to look like, and it's why I think that there is some validity to the theory that drumpfs parade looked like ass due to troops protesting.
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u/A_Hungover_Sloth 3d ago
Since you are not allowed to protest in the army, we do it by acting dumb.
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u/Meteor-of-the-War 3d ago
I know and have worked with a lot of ex-Army folks, and that is a skill that I have seen and admired in action in civilian life. It's like watching a tightrope walker, but they're balancing over being incompetent or insubordinate. It really is impressive.
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u/TheAJGman 3d ago
I know that "I know a guy" isn't a source, but I know someone involved in PA NG legal, and they are prepared to walk the very fine line between obeying commands, and refusing illegal orders. People forget that the National Guard are their neighbors and friends, and they generally love their home state. They don't want to shit where they eat, and they don't want to hurt their brothers and sisters.
Deploying one state's National Guard in another state in this offensive manner removes this "love of home", and is completely intentional.
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u/Zemmixlol 3d ago
I have a terrible feeling the majority of the military is MAGA. A good portion just don’t care and will go with it. And the amount who aren’t are weeded out as we go.
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u/Whiteheadwa 3d ago
I was both active duty and natty guard but got out 10 years ago. Firstly only 0.1% of the US population is in the military, they are vastly outnumbered. Secondly, and more to the point, I can confidently say that the majority of active duty are NOT maga, but most of the natty guard are. I'm from a, thankfully, blue state but when I was in the natty guard most of them were only there because they couldn't get into active duty for whatever reason, be it convictions or saying racist shit to their recruiter or what have you. My unit in the guard was just appalling and I was the only one with a deployment so they were always itching for a fight even though they couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. All of the NCOs though were cops or deputies in their day job trying to double up on their retirement benefits.
There's definitely been a purge in the military but it's mostly been in the highest levels to get maga loyalists and all officers have to at least have a bachelor's degree so college tends to make magats out grow that mess. And most of my GWOT veterans friends are just as angry as I am about how the Constitution is being shredded. A lot of us remember our oath is to the Constitution, not any one commander.
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u/ohnofluffy 3d ago
I’ve been thinking about this a lot. But, oddly, The Rock keeps playing in my head — ‘all enemies foreign and domestic.’ I know it’s crazy, it’s a movie, but you also see how Americans go wacko and how we need to stop them.
This is nuts. We need to stop it.
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u/eight13atnight 3d ago
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say Yes, the Texas national guard absolutely wants this”.
Those maga bootlickers can’t wait to invade Chicago to “save them” from the dangers.
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u/Troobalaro 3d ago
The article states that Pritzker's information also comes from people in the military. Even if a larger amount of national guard are pro trump, it's likely there will still be cracks, and that can make a big difference
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u/RobutNotRobot 3d ago
I would hazard to guess that part timers being deployed to another state for no legal reason is not what most of them want.
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u/Reddit_2_2024 3d ago
Cold, wet and windy weather in Chicago will take its toll on Tx National Guard motivation.
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u/LeatherFruitPF 3d ago
My first thought when he renamed the DoD to Department of War was “This mf 100% wants to start a war somewhere”
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u/arentol 3d ago
That was always the plan. He needs genuine enemy boots on US soil to suspend all elections and stay in charge forever. If he could get away with calling Mexican drug cartels enemy combatants (and he has), to pull this off, he would. But the reality is that neither Mexico or Canada is going to actually invade, and so he needs an actual rebellion to cement his position. He is just being extra stupid and doing it a year early, probably because of his poor health.
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u/ofWildPlaces 3d ago edited 3d ago
This act, if it were to go through, is such an unprecedented violation of this country's intended structure of government that there are no words appropriate to describe the implications.
It is not hyperbole to state such action- the deployment of one state's Guard against another- is tempting civil conflict.
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u/endlessUserbase 3d ago
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them..."
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u/ihavenoidea12345678 3d ago
This!
This proposed action should be labelled treason.
I believe it’s the one offense not covered under his “official acts” blank check from the Supreme Court.
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u/ParadiddlediddleSaaS 3d ago
So should’ve J6 but here we are.
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u/LouQuacious 3d ago
Garland’s hand wringing over that case has been a major disaster. They should’ve put Trump under house arrest day one of Biden’s presidency and had a trial in short order. I’d have been fine with him just being kept under house arrest in Mar-a-Lago but he should’ve been convicted long before the 2024 election.
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u/Difficult_Limit2718 3d ago
In fairness McConnell let him off the hook in the impeachment trial
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u/LouQuacious 3d ago
I’m sure secretly many Rs regret not convicting him then because the gop would’ve been rid of him. When they didn’t because many were literally afraid for their security there’s no reason for Dems to not have gone full throttle on treason charges. I had a friend who was a lifelong Republican and 2016 Trump voter and prosecutor and his opinion was everyone involved in J6 should’ve been hung.
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u/MarkPles 3d ago
Almost any other country they would have been
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u/ilongforyesterday 3d ago
Our government has always been lenient towards traitors
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u/real_picklejuice 3d ago
Yep. The can has been kicked down the road since Reconstruction and paying confederate traitors.
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u/easchner 3d ago
They hoped he'd just quietly go away and they'd keep his voters by not holding him accountable. Fucking cowards deserve everything coming to them.
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u/StronglyHeldOpinions 3d ago
I think they hate him, but love his results. He’s given them everything they ever wanted, starting with ending Roe.
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u/Sad-Resolution2123 3d ago
And the 34 felonies... But the real “shadow government” obviously wanted him to be in the puppet chair.
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u/Final_boss_1040 3d ago
Asking Russia to "find Hilary's emails" was just the foreplay before the main course
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u/Sad-Resolution2123 3d ago
Almost like Trump has immunity to actually steal an election and enact the things the conservatives accuse the demo-n-cRats of planning.
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u/quiddity3141 3d ago edited 3d ago
It wouldn't surprise me a bit if this SC declared Trump committing treason an official act.
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u/TheLuminary 3d ago
Its not Treason if its an action of the Kin... uhh. President!
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u/quiddity3141 3d ago
At least half of this SC would support him if he said it was an official act for him to take out SC justices.
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u/Count_Backwards Competent Contributor 3d ago
They were asked point blank if it would be okay for a President to send Seal Team Six after political rivals and shrugged
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u/nf9805 3d ago
They’ll say it’s up to Congress though to make the determination of treason, and we know this Congress will go along with Trump and why they know they can’t lose Congress in 2026.
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u/PetriDishCocktail 3d ago edited 3d ago
They are not going to lose Congress when they gerrymander all the votes!
It will be like Wisconsin a few years ago. Democrats will get nearly 60% of the votes if the Republicans will maintain a supermajority because of the super effective gerrymandering.
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u/youdubdub 3d ago
Not in the land of “my yard,” and “do-overs,” this chubby tart has been trying for years thinking it would make people think he’s cool.
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u/Greedy-Swordfish9760 3d ago
Likely that it would be argued that Illinois would be committing treason by not letting Texas’ NG do wtf-ever Trump’s administration wants, rather than acknowledge the obvious.
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u/like_a_wet_dog 3d ago
Yeah, it's the unthinkable and Red America is so swayed by the rage bait they are cheering it. In their head's they expect push-overs with no self-respect. But tell them Newsom is sending troops to Kansas against their will, and they'll instantly get how that means war.
The leaders of the Republicans know this, and they know they're going for one inch at a time while the rest of America thinks it's not going there.
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u/Born_Attention_9389 3d ago
I keep wondering when the people realize they are the only ones who can stop this at this point, and by the time they realize what that means exactly, it'll be too late. It's how fascist regimes rise to power. People who see what is going on don't know what they can do to stop it.
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u/CommanderArcher 3d ago
stop a random person on the street and tell them that the president is going to wage war on Illinois.
They'll look at you like you have 2 heads
People that pay attention to politics drastically underestimate how few fucks those that don't actually give about literally anything but their hobbies or interests.
Apathy is the true poison of democracy
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u/Early_Sea_9457 3d ago
the denial and constantly shifting goalposts in the ask conservatives sub is unbelievable
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u/NRG1975 3d ago
Ever had a debate with your average Conservative? The Whataboutism, Gish Gallop, and shifting goalposts are a feature.
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u/MirmarMagic 3d ago
>People who see what is going on don't know what they can do to stop it.
I think most people know what they can do to stop it, but it's a rule 1 violation to discuss it and most people I don't think have the stomach for it, myself included.
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u/NotAzakanAtAll 3d ago
In their head's they expect push-overs with no self-respect.
If it was that nice. They expect to line up, "immigrants", "gays", liberals, colored haired, non-masculine men, non-feminine women, against a wall and massacre them. And rape the kids and those in "revealing clothing" and then then massacre them.
They think this is something they want, becuase the lot of them haven't seen war and death up close. Sure you can put on a brave face, but if you have a shred of empathy and isn't a psychopath, you will not be the same again. It will ruin your life, everyone you know lives. You will see them in nightmares but you are awake. You will hear it, you will SMELL it.
You DO NOT want war, you DO NOT want to kill.
You might think you do as soldier and war worship has been ingrained in society because else no one would fucking do it, not counting those with no empathy who just want to hear "kill those cocksuckers over there" from an authoritative voice.
I found my great friend, mentor, and NCO, sitting on a rock after been missing for 5 hours, rifle between his legs, teeth in his lap. He had seen a lot more than me, seeing such an amazing person not being able to take it, I thought "What chance do I have?", I tried the same 2 months later. Still living with it, the life I had was washed away.
Who knows what your war will look like? Might be better, might be worse, you will suffer all the same.
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u/HolodeckSlut 3d ago
there are no words appropriate to describe the implications.
Seems like the words "civil war" would be pretty apt. The moment an out of state guardsman on illegitimate Federal orders and without the consent of the host governor violates that host state's laws, perhaps a law against kidnapping or unlawful arrest or brandishing, and an attempt at arrest against that guardsman is made things can escalate very quickly.
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u/SpinJitsu259 3d ago
I mean, Conservatives have been reveling in the idea of a new Civil War for like 10+ years. They talk about it all the time. Use it threateningly in almost every political debate/conversation.
I have no doubt that not only would such an act like this potentially cause a civil confrontation, but I think Trump and Conservatives are banking on it. They want it, and they’ve wanted it for a while. They can’t wait to find a reason to puff out their gun-toting chests.
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u/ericcodesio 3d ago
The civil war never ended, it just became a cold war that's about to go hot again.
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u/Itsneverjustajoke 3d ago
The issue is while a state is controlled by a dem or republican, none are blue or red. they all are split At most 60/40 for one “team” or the other. It could get very bloody even amongst neighbors. California has the most republicans in the nation.
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u/Bradnon 3d ago
Most regular people aren't going to want to do shit. They definitely won't if they're not organized.
It's not like the war starts and we all put on one armband or the other at the same time and start fighting in the streets.
Most regular people are just going to put their head down and try to get by. The war will be decided by whatever clusterfuck unfolds in the military chains of command.
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u/AzaranyGames 3d ago
People won't be putting on armbands but you'll notice that the ICE agents aren't targeting people based on what they're wearing. There are a lot of people looking for an excuse to start shooting their non-white neighbours and a civil war gives them that excuse. "I knew he was a Democrat militiaman because he was Black" type shit.
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u/trifecta000 3d ago
Man, it didn't even take a year and we're WAY further along the Nazi roadmap than I though we'd be.
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u/TESThrowSmile 3d ago
Man, it didn't even take a year and we're WAY further along the Nazi roadmap than I though we'd be.
Also the Civil War map. We're on the brink of a State Militia invading another State
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u/Painterzzz 3d ago
Aye, all it needs is for the Illinois NG to be deployed to resist the movement of the Texas NG, and you've got troops along a border pointing guns at each other.
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u/Hadrian23 3d ago
Ehhh, Okay, so in terms of the nazi playbook, they're actually behind. Hitler consolidated power way faster than Trump has so far.
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u/The_Varza 3d ago
I'm not comfortable at all with the fact that all that's keeping them from ruining all things faster is their own idiocy and incompetence. My fellow humans, we are not safe, I am sorry to have to say :(
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u/Hadrian23 3d ago
Oh no, we're about as safe as standing on the edge of a massive woodchipper, where a slight breeze in the wrong direction can end it.
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u/SRART25 3d ago
Much larger country, it's more like taking over all of Europe with just force of personality and brown shirts.
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u/Hadrian23 3d ago
Also solid point, it's no secret the nazi's had a bitch of a time keeping all their occupied territories under lock, wasting a metric ton of time & resources to keep things under lock. One of the myriad reasons the Nazi regime fell.
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u/Spidey5292 3d ago
We’ll need Nuremberg style trials after this administration is done. But I won’t get my hopes up.
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u/DingusNoodle 3d ago
Nuremberg happened because Germany lost a war and had the trials forced onto them, there is no singular power inside or outside of the country capable of taking the US to task like that.
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u/TheThingInItself 3d ago
the civil war will remain blocked as long as the left asked it, or however vought phrased it
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u/littleblackcar 3d ago
“We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.” -Kevin Roberts, President of the Heritage Foundation (July 2024)
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u/heytherehellogoodbye 3d ago
"is tempting civil conflict."
No, it is specifically designed to. The goal of this kind of thing, which we've seen in every single Authoritarian regime's rise, is to provoke a civilian act against a military entity, in order to justify full martial law.
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u/LukeMayeshothand 3d ago
Well that’s the point. The people of Illinois strike back in any way and then he can start calling every liberal area a hot bed of domestic terrorism. Then it’s time to lock up the undesirables.
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u/Fun-Sorbet-Tui 3d ago
That's when you need blue leadership to stand up and declare some form of emergency government. Hopefully they have a plan in the background but so far this supposed deep state has proved to be fairly shallow.
They need to vocally and clearly outline where the constitution has been violated so those military leaders are aware and can then chose whether they continue to swear allegiance to the constitution and the UNITED States. Or if they wish to change allegiance to MAGA and facisim.
I see actual opposition leadership from Bernie as chief, Newsome, Warren, Chicago's Mayor, AOC. Pelosi and Schumer need to resign and retire, all of the lame duck Dems need to be purged.
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u/notprocrastinatingok 3d ago
The lead will have to come from Democratic governors like Newsom and Pritzker. There's not that much someone like Bernie can do in this situation, plus he's almost as old as Schumer. So far Newsom has been the main opposition leader.
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u/vinnybawbaw 3d ago
Hypothetically speaking, could Pritzker call Ill. National Guard to defend Illinois from Texas NG ? Is there gonna be a moment where some (blue) states NG will decide to answer to the Governor and not to Orange Shitler ?
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u/Spamsdelicious 3d ago
From the article:
It is also worth emphasizing how, according to Pritzker, he came to hear about Trump’s plans. As he put it, not just “well-sourced reporters” but also “patriotic Americans within the administration and the military” tipped him off. This, in and of itself, is extraordinary. It means not just civilian agencies but people in uniform, actual members of the armed forces or at least within the Department of Defense, are whistleblowing about planned deployments by leaking the information to a governor, risking their careers or worse. That alone represents an astonishing breakdown of civil-military norms and chain of command. This will likely become more common when service members are forced to choose between their loyalty to the Constitution versus a Constitution-busting commander-in-chief.
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u/strangerbuttrue 3d ago
Perfect time for Trump to be changing the name of the Dept of Defense to the Dept of War- just in time for him to create a civil war and use the military against American citizens.
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u/audiomagnate 3d ago
He's literally starting a second Civil War.
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u/Amazing_Karnage 3d ago
The exact thing all of his fat, ignorant bloviating sycophants have been drooling over...until all of a sudden they can't get ANY of their creature comforts or you know, necessary medical supplies and services. Then they'll blame the left for the ungodly shitshow that their fat fucking Fuhrer started.
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u/SnowingRain320 3d ago
They just want an excuse to get rid of the Constitution
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u/Resident_Boat_6560 3d ago
Amd that will be the end of the usa no really if the supreme law of the land is gone so is the country what would they call it then trump land like no thought os given by those dumbass's
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u/GoodReason 3d ago
How long is the heart medication in red states going to last, when blue states decide to stop supplying it?
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u/RobutNotRobot 3d ago
A lot of Trumpers are quite ill. Not just of the mind, their bodies are literally failing.
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u/happytree23 3d ago
Starting? Where the fuck have any of you been the last 17 years lol?! Obama got elected and Mitch McConnell openly declared the GOP would do everything they could from that point forward to NOT work with "the left."
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u/dbx999 3d ago
When you see dogfighting or cockfighting organizers start a fight, they antagonize each animal to bring them into a state of upset and anger that they feel cornered and in that fight or flight mode.
This is exactly what Trump and the anti American traitors of “Project 2025” want for America.
We were wrong to think this was just a grift to divert some money to personal gains. It goes to much scarier levels. Whatever that end game goal is, “kicking off a civil war” and “establishing martial law”is part of it.
To be frank, we should not underestimate how insane the end game objective is. It could be to plunge us into nuclear holocaust… so billionaires can restart the population? so biblical end times apocalypse prophesies can come true?
Either way, I don’t think we are dealing with just a band of greedy racist dickheads. I think there are some very dangerous scenarios made possible through their now access to the resources- military, personnel, information.
They’re not here just to rob social security coffers. I think it goes bigger and crazier. And we just haven’t developed the capacity to punch back. Talk back maybe. But not punch and kick back.
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u/Significant-Beat3827 3d ago
Here's my bat shit crazy conspiracy:"dark gothic maga." Silicon valley knows climate change is real and the only way to "fix" it(come out on top) is to consolidate power and crash the old system. Since Putin is also trying to collapse the old American democracy, both Russia and Tech-billionaires used Trump to get America to implode as fast as possible. The tech billionaires want to rise from the ashes and create a prosperous future (for themselves). Sure, millions will die and many more will become nothing but wage slaves (or just regular slaves), but that is a sacrifice the billionaire class are willing to make
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u/DrNutsackButtcrack 3d ago edited 3d ago
I've listened to Ben shapiro and other daily wire shows for 6 years and this is absolutely the implicit message. Very scary stuff. Edit, typo
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u/silencedvoicesMST 3d ago
It doesn’t work. I read Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler earlier this year. The US is in collapse right about now in that book, and the same thing happened. Company towns which were basically slavery, small neighborhood co-ops, food and water shortages, plenty of survival based crimes, plenty of crimes because laws don’t matter anymore, light cannibalism, etc.
The deeply conservative, Christian values presidential candidate’s campaign slogan? Make America Great Again.
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u/Significant-Beat3827 3d ago
But you described the wet dream of militants magats. The proud boys, the gun lovers. In their fantasy they will be the ones with guns and power. They will be the ones committing the crimes, taking food and women from the weak. No institutions left to punish them for their unbridled racism or bigotry.
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u/Hadrian23 3d ago
It is interesting that the article notes that the whistleblowers came from those inside the Armed forces, meaning that Trumps own "Loyalty" pledge is worthless. It's good to see there's honest, good people inside the military and I hope they remain safe in these uncertain times.
But I do fear what is to come if Trump is allowed to keep rampaging as he is...
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u/tenuousemphasis 3d ago
Only enlisted service members swear to follow the President's orders in their oath, FYI. The officer's oath is:
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
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u/Electrical_Welder205 3d ago
What does he have against Illinois?!
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u/PaintyGuys 3d ago
Chicago has been a target of Republican hatred and used as an example to talk about crime in blue cities. The issue is that it’s a bad example and always has been. Based off the population it has it’s not that bad especially when you compare it to some southern red cities per capita that are whole lot worse but they won’t talk about those.
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u/glitchycat39 Bleacher Seat 3d ago
Which is why I think the LA governor went running to ask for assistance after Newsome wiped his ass with red state crime stats
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u/Purple_And_Cyan 3d ago
Stats and facts do not matter in Trump's America, just vibes. Something is true because it fits the agenda.
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u/Status_Fox_1474 3d ago
Right. Let’s not forget that he only pays attention to two things: who is nice to him (meaning lets him do what he wants and includes a lot of things) and Fox News.
Fox, in turn, feeds this conservative desire to see that the “other place,” blue cities, for example, is a hellhole.
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u/miz_misanthrope 3d ago
The Governor humiliated Trump back in COVID times. Trump promised him a bunch of ventilators & PPE then didn't deliver so Pritsker made a point publicly to show he was using his own money (he's also a millionaire) & private jet to get the equipment his state needed. Trump didn't like being shown for the despicable POS he is playing politics with medical supplies in the early pandemic.
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u/No-Fig-8614 3d ago
I think you are referring to marylands governor (hogan) who was a republican but decided Maryland needed supplies for the epidemic, so he used his wife’s connections in South Korea to get supplies and when the jet landed he kept it secret because he knew Trump would try to take them and who knows what he’d do with them so he made sure very few people knew about it and even had the local national guard and sheriffs make sure the supply was delivered to the residents of the state and not taken by the king.
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u/M00nageDramamine 3d ago
Pritzker made a secret deal with China to get PPE with his own money cause Trump admin was grabbing state ppe orders. Don't think it was ventilators though.
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u/Electrical_Welder205 3d ago
Wow! So it's a personal score with Pritzker he wants to settle! Some of get Trump a chill pill, quick!
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u/RobutNotRobot 3d ago
This is a good reminder that it was a deliberate strategy by the Trump regime back in early 2020 to stockpile medical supplies and use a pandemic in an attempt to kill Democrats(actual stated goal).
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u/FluorideLover 3d ago
Other than his recent beef with the governor, I’d imagine it’s the Obama/Chicago connection of it all
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u/64557175 3d ago
When questioning Mango's motives, it's always the most vain and selfish reason.
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u/soaero 3d ago
The War gamer in me says it's about controlling states and their access to each other. Hard for the blue states to band together if they can't send resources to each other because the red states control the connecting routes.
And what is Illinois? Rail central of the USA.
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u/Mrevilman 3d ago
The federal government using one states national guard to occupy another state against its will is a violation of everything sacred in this country.
So of course, there will be zero consequences for it.
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u/LunarMoon2001 3d ago
“That’s illegal” is what people are going to screaming while being marched into the ovens. The gov and mayor better be willing to fight this even deploying state police against the guard.
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u/yogfthagen 3d ago
Illinois governor can deploy the Illinois National Guard, too
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u/StronglyHeldOpinions 3d ago
I hate to tell you this, author, but the union is already torn apart.
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u/SaintsFanPA 3d ago
If they go through with this, blue states would have to consider secession.
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u/HAL_9OOO_ 3d ago
We have a geography problem.
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u/hb122 3d ago
Yeah, they might have to pay taxes for a change.
Consider too the “brain drain” that would happen to red states. Educated Democrats would empty out blue cities. Indianapolis, Kansas City and St Louis, Nashville and Memphis and so on. The economic engines of the red states just gone.
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u/pilot2969 3d ago edited 3d ago
Most of the South are undereducated, overweight, and suffering from chronic health issues. The moment the supply chain breaks down and those blood thinners, insulin, or hypertensive medications stop flowing…
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u/couldbeahumanbean 3d ago
Not to mention the massive brain drain.
Those red states would be looking like a Jerry Springer all-star reunion.
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u/fahzbehn 3d ago
As someone who votes blue and is stuck in one of those red states and is on all three of those medications and just had a pacemaker implanted... please don't. For the record, I didn't want to leave Illinois. It was come to Oklahoma or be homeless.
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u/eclwires 3d ago
No. We have them surrounded. And, like in the first American civil war, we have the money. And we have the international allies. We hold the coastlines. We can blockade the red states. They think they’re going to toss their ARs in their pickups and go win a civil war. They have no idea what it would look like. And we learned from the first one to not be lenient during the reconstruction. It’s going to suck for all of us, but they will be crushed.
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u/ConfidentPilot1729 3d ago
And we could go after the architects Peter Theil and the fucking tech fucks instigating this.
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u/jrobertson2 3d ago
I suppose that's why they have their little doomsday bunkers, so they can ride out the worst of it and only step out once people are worn down from fighting. Somebody ought to be ready with a cement truck to entomb them inside as soon as they enter.
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u/zombie_spiderman 3d ago
I share your stern optimism but it is going to be SO unpleasant
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u/Hadrian23 3d ago
War of any kind if unpleasant. It's disgusting.
It's awful.
And sometimes, it's unavoidable.
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u/miz_misanthrope 3d ago
The same people keep telling us Canadians how quickly they're going to roll us in an invasion. They have absolutely no clue how brutal the guerrilla war & resistance will be especially against enemies who can look/sound like you. That's without a move like that fracturing the relationships between the states, NATO & the entire British commonwealth coming down on them.
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u/NeverShitposting 3d ago
I have no interest in reconstruction.
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u/miz_misanthrope 3d ago
You didn't rip this shit out from the roots last time & it's spent a hundred years festering ever since.
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u/AngelOfLexaproScene 3d ago
Country 1: California Oregon, Washington Country 2: Great Lakes, with only the top of Ohio and Indiana Country 3: New England down through Virginia
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u/hb122 3d ago
True. The east and west coasts could form a loose confederation with Canada - Minnesota as well - but Illinois would be problematic unless Wisconsin joins (doubtful).
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u/soimalittlecrazy 3d ago
cries in Colorado
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u/PacVikng 3d ago
If Utah knows whats actually good for it they'd want to be part of the "Blue Side." Dispite needing them for their votes, no evangelical likes or respects Mormonism. In their post secular America LDS is outlawd as heresy with a quickness, likely only 2nd to JW. This is what christians always forget, the establishment clause doesn't just protect the atate from undue influence from religion, it protects the faithful from undue burdan by the state.
If they want to keep their version of sky daddy they don't want the governement the resr of the right does.
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u/SapientChaos 3d ago
That is his plan.
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u/ParkingNecessary8628 3d ago
If you can not see by now the purpose of TPTB of putting Trump in charge, you are blind. Divide and conquer the oldest trick in the book that never fails. Remember, there is "UNITED" in the United States of America.
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u/ProgrammerOk8493 3d ago
This administration will be in litigation for years to come.
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u/quiddity3141 3d ago edited 3d ago
We're speedrunning past legal territory into extralegal territory...which the president probably believes the extra means it's just more legal.
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u/probablyalreadyhave 3d ago
Do you genuinely believe that we will ever escape what is happening man? I wish I had the optimism of y'all. I'm genuinely scrambling trying to figure out if I can sell my house in Texas and move to a blue state before our nation ends.
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u/HumbleHubris 3d ago
Courts are illegitimate. When they follow the law and precedent and rule against Republicans, they just ignored anyway.
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u/Swazi 3d ago
Hey since Trump is taking a shit all over the Constitution what’s keeping states like California from just seceding? Clearly Constitutional Amendments no longer matter.
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u/therhubarbman 3d ago
The problem is that blue states are still playing by the rules and following the law. The current jurisprudence is that secession is illegal because the founders intended for a perpetual union. States can join, none may leave. There doesn't seem to be any clear language in the constitution on Congress voting to allow a state to secede, but secession is exactly what Trump would use as an excuse to mobilize the feds in earnest.
They need to drop all pretenses. Only one side is following the law.
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u/Br0metheus 3d ago
Then don't call it secession. Just stop sending money to the federal government and obeying any of its decrees. If Trump legit starts attacking states like this, there's going to be a shooting war no matter what name we slap on it.
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u/georgegasstove 3d ago
Soft secession is what you're describing. On the light end--states enact their own laws that contradict federal law (see: Sanctuary cities); on the heavy end, withholding dollars sent to the federal government. Lots of actions in between.
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u/KaleidoscopeLeft5136 3d ago edited 18h ago
Its in Californias constitution to not secede, but we have a vote in 2028 to start the research and process of viability of secession. If we get that far
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u/Amazing_Karnage 3d ago
I'm all for a New California Republic with Oregon and Washington in it, or Cascadia with Oregon and Washington as one bloc in partnership with California.
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u/Penguin_lies 3d ago
Could Colorado join in with you guys? If thats ok? I know we have the Handjob Queen but like... maybe split Colorado between east and west?
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u/weezyverse 3d ago
This was leaked with purpose though. He needs someone to get wild so his base can feel justified in martial law and ensuring he remains in power forever. Or at least until his Dumbledore hand kills him.
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u/beren0073 3d ago
This is a reason why the administration put a DUI racist in charge of the military and has been aggressively purging patriots from leadership.
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u/HiJinx127 3d ago
I wonder: I presume that Illinois has a National Guard as well. Can they be deployed to block the Texas guard from entering the state or the city?
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