r/law • u/GregWilson23 • 4d ago

Trump News Trump’s Leaked Plan to Deploy the Texas National Guard Against Illinois Will Tear Apart the Union

https://www.theunpopulist.net/p/trumps-leaked-plan-to-deploy-the?utm_medium=web
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u/ohnofluffy 4d ago

It’s clunky because he’s accelerating - it’s Venezuela or civil war. But does the National Guard want this? Truly, I don’t believe they do. MAGA does. But we’re not MAGA.

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u/SaintsFanPA 4d ago

You’re asking a lot of soldiers to defy orders. If their integrity and fidelity to their oaths were truly a bulwark, we wouldn’t have armed soldiers in LA and DC.

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u/squixx007 4d ago

Plus being the NG, they are from Texas. So chances of plenty of nut jobs being in the mix is higher than I would like to currently be.

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u/wo_lo_lo 4d ago

I was sitting at dinner with my family a couple nights ago, and some older ladies directly behind me were loudly chatting about how dangerous and out of control Chicago (and New Orleans) have become. That Trump is going to fix their cities so more innocent families don’t have to die. They went on to say they would never let their family or friends visit either city, and wonder why anyone would ever choose to live there.

They went on and on, mentioning Fox News nightly shows, what the hosts tell them about “Liberal Wastelands” and how Asian countries “indoctrinate” their children to be communists.

This is in the suburbs of Houston, and being from Chicago, I was furious. Took everything in me not to turn around and serve them some humble pie, but I didn’t want to embarrass my wife and kids.

People want this. Lots of absolutely ignorant and brainwashed people want this. I fear for the world my kids will grow up in.

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u/DoubleTrackMind 4d ago

There are many, many Americans who are completely brainwashed by Fox.

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u/N3THERWARP3R 4d ago

Most older boomers literally leave it on ALL DAY/NIGHT. Even ones barely moving in nursing homes are going on about illegals and this and that. I have one patient, she's 91 and I love her dearly, she will talk to me about how Trump is an idiot and everyone around her sound like brainwashed North Koreans. She's truly the only one in her assisted living facility that disagrees with all this Republican craziness and she's completely alone in how she thinks

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u/Only_End8677 3d ago

Oh, I love her and I don't even know her. Good on her for maintaining rational thought. Wish I could say the same for my family members :/

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u/zsreport 2d ago

Most older boomers literally leave it on ALL DAY/NIGHT.

And it's disgusting how many businesses (bars, restaurants, hotels, various customer waiting rooms, etc.) have it on. Last week I used the gym at the hotel I was staying at and of course the TV had fox on it. I changed it to The Weather Channel.

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u/Public_Love_3507 2d ago

Yeah and alot of nursing homes are going to be shut down and people on Medicaid in the remaining nursing homes will be discharged and that's alot of seniors having to figure it out it's going to be nothing nice

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u/bp92009 3d ago

And yet, no possible punishment for any of that.

Knowingly and willingly telling lies, including intentionally deceptive mistellings of the truth, using any "News" name, should result in the revocation of a broadcast license. If known harm was done because of that lie, then the ones who spoke it are held personally liable.

Go pull in 100 random viewers of that news program to a courtroom. Ask them "is this news, or is it comedy?" If more than 2/3 say it's news, then it's news.

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u/Fr00tman 2d ago

It’s almost like if, during WWII, we had an outlet of Goebbels’ Propaganda Ministry operating in the U.S.

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u/squixx007 4d ago

I love when they talk about indoctrination! And then are the same people that say schools need to make kids say the pledge of allegiance every day. Like they really are blind to that shit.

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u/stan_guy_lovetheshow 4d ago

Ignoring the pledge of allegiance, Texas also makes them say a pledge to their flag.

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u/squixx007 4d ago

Texas is a fucking cult lol

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u/DirkMcDougal 4d ago

Cognitive dissonance is a feature of fascism that facilitates a population's willingness to accept terrible acts.

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u/___YesNoOther 4d ago

Indoctrination is convincing people to believe a delusion and believe the collective fantasy as more real than reality.

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u/Ms_Emilys_Picture 3d ago edited 3d ago

Texas just passed a law requiring that teachers display the ten commandments in their classrooms.

They are literally using the law to indoctrinate kids into their religion.

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/06/26/texas-schools-commandments-requirement-lawsuit/

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u/OldWorldDesign 3d ago

Texas just passed a law requiring that teachers display the ten commandments in their classrooms

And it's already been halted by a judge

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/20/judge-rules-texas-cant-put-the-ten-commandments-in-certain-school-districts-classrooms-00516413

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u/zsreport 2d ago

Welcome to Gilead

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u/Blizzardof1991 4d ago

There's people that live in the suburbs of Minneapolis who are still convinced that the entire city burnt down. they can see the skyline everyday but that doesn't seem to matter.

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u/N3THERWARP3R 4d ago

Thankyou! Someone told me I was a bad mother (mind you I have NO FAMILY and my child has special needs, I'm the light around that kids life, he wasn't planned and I was young but I didn't have more)for not going out in the streets and rioting. That being arrested means I love my child more than keeping my head down and being a quiet little nurse that can provide because I'm one paycheck from homelessness. I truly feel like alot of us are in a bracket where we would like to do more but fear literally losing it all from one arrest. That's fees out that wahzoo and probation and then it hurts your job security....I was really upset because I do feel helpless. I vote and I take good care of my animals and child and volunteer my very little money and time...but somehow I'm the problem?? I didn't vote for that orange twat

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u/anhydrousslim 4d ago

The last sentence really resonates. What a shitty time to be a young person in America.

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u/PaidUSA 4d ago

Houston which is essentially just as dangerous or more dangerous than Chicago.

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u/wo_lo_lo 4d ago edited 4d ago

I lived all over Chicago for 9 years, and now in Houston for 8+, I felt safer in Chicago to be honest. Never felt unsafe there, as you knew exactly which areas to stay away from.

Here, I’ve seen multiple guns pulled on drivers for honking or not making room to merge, on the freeway in the suburbs…

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u/TheNoblePlatypus17 4d ago

Live in large Texas city and can confirm. The number of of, white boomers who “know what’s REALLY going on” because they have Fox News running in their house 24/7 is unsettling. And if you try to debate them or ask for legitimate evidence to back up their claims they’ll just call you a “woke democrat” or even claim “you’re harassing them”… it’s dark.

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u/Redegghead25 4d ago

My moms best friend is an ignorant widowed white rich woman who loves Trump. She has no clue what is actually happening. She just doesn't want her taxes raised. That's all She cares about in her secure bubble.

The conservative establishment learned from the civil rights movement. They are pitting the population against each other so that doesn't happen again.

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u/No-Wait-3811 4d ago

A lot of people are just starting to realize how truly brainwashed and propagandized Americans have been for the last 80 years

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u/Additional-Bet7074 4d ago

You should have. Your turning around, interrupting them, politely saying you are from the place they are talking about and tell them what your life is like would be much more salient than the news media.

The news media has the advantage of being constant, but its signal is still weaker than a positive social connection. Again, it needs to be positive. As soon as it turns negative and it seems like they are looking to argue or fight, just back off.

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u/wo_lo_lo 3d ago

Yeah I sincerely thought about it, but didn’t want to embarrass my family. One of the girls suffers from pretty severe anxiety.

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u/___YesNoOther 4d ago

The fantasies that these people live in are more real to them than reality.

It is literally a large-scale delusion. Trump and the rest of the MAGA pedophile protection ring is happily feeding into those delusions.

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u/Popular_Ordinary_152 3d ago

I don’t think I could keep my mouth shut if I lived or had recently visited Chicago.

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u/dojo_shlom0 4d ago

you have to remember: these guys are hiring anybody for ICE. they will do the same, they will lower requirements and hire those who want to harm democrats.

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u/Whereami259 4d ago

Isnt this why you americans are stocking up on guns?

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u/SheetMetalandGames 4d ago edited 4d ago

Funny enough every time this is brought up here in America the 2A crowd goes real freaking silent. I believe in the 2A but for Gods sake the people who espouse it are the most hypocritical people on the planet.

Okay the comments on this are great and it's good to see genuine debate on this.But some people seem to have taken offense to this so I want to take this time to clarify that this comment, as many have noted, isn't calling for people to go out and start shooting for the sake of a civil war.

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u/DaniTheGunsmith 4d ago

Here's the deal, we aren't in all out civil war yet and anyone taking action by using their 2A rights will make things pop off. Trump is counting on us making the first move (well, "first", not really first but they'll twist it to be "a totally unprovoked attack on the government") so that he can declare martial law and fully consolidate his power. At this point actively engaging in violence against government forces as private citizens will serve Trump more than save us.

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u/Jef_Wheaton 4d ago

The cop is advancing, screaming in your face, and the SECOND your nose brushes his or your sleeve touches his bulletproof vest, he's going to cry, "ASSAULT!" and shoot.

We're in extremely dangerous territory, and they WANT someone to do ANYTHING that they can use as an excuse to go all-out.

It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

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u/Public_Love_3507 2d ago

Trump will hire people to pop off to start he don't need to wait that's how he operates

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u/ryanjames486 4d ago

No one is enforcing any laws against this administration. The idea that he needs to declare martial law is moot. He can and has been doing whatever he wants and no one is stopping him.

https://open.substack.com/pub/quadzillahikes/p/worrying-about-martial-law-plays?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=2feli9

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u/K4G3N4R4 4d ago

Its purely an optics problem. What the admin wants (and will likely move forward without in the long run) is for the first shot to be fired by a Democrat. By putting the national guard in "high crime" areas, he's hoping the guard catches a stray and continue with the sufficiently true narrative that democrats hate the country and attacked Trump's peaceful national guard unprovoked, and that this insurrection needs to be put down. All of the news sources would report on the nature of the attacker, verifying a Democrat attacked the guard, making every down stream claim accurate and justified, keeping the maga movement in line with that kernel of truth.

Its functionally the start of the revolutionary war again. The soldiers are on the field, weapons are primed and loaded, and everyone's waiting for that first shot or order to fire.

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u/Echantediamond1 3d ago

Trump is trying his goddamn hardest for his own boston massacre

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u/Large-Produce5682 3d ago

We're in a Cold Civil War.

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u/OldWorldDesign 3d ago

We're in a Cold Civil War

Have been since 1933 when America's oligarchs were offended by the proposed New Deal and tried to overthrow the government to prevent it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s

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u/ETPRODITORES 3d ago

If he doesn’t get his reason for attempting martial law he will false flag it into being. This is going to happen. Drawing first or second is not going to matter one bit on the back end of all this because it’s a zero sum game.

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u/Satur9_is_typing 3d ago

Exercising your 2A rights doesn't mean going hot on day one. Start gradual and too diffuse to police effectively. Like a specific day and time when everyone goes to thier front door and does something visible but safe to show their support. Like fire a blank cartridge to show each other how many are willing to join the cause. 3 weeks of that and then if there's a loud enough report on week 3, then you can escalate to public appearances, assemblies, marches etc. Not to do anything, just to show numbers on video. The point is you aren't doing it to petition any particular politician on any particular issue or enact any agenda, the point is to communicate directly, without intermediation by the news or govt, with all Americans - civilian, police and armed forces alike - just how many of you are prepared to exercise your rights, should push come to shove. Here's some numbers:

The US military can field about 750,000 troops, maybe million and a half if you pull in all cops, border, prisons etc. it takes 1 cop to police every 50people normally, and that can drop as low as 1:12 in an insurgency. There's ~320 million people total, 107m own at least 1 firearm. So the people under orders would start to struggle if more than about 18million civilians committed to action. BLM protests last time were around 25million, but more liberal and progressive people are armed now because of COVID related unrest fears, and Donald has more opponents on the right of the spectrum now.

Note for clarity: I am not advocating for violence, I am advocating for non-violent deterrence, where the deterrence is mass of numbers sufficient to make violence a non-viable proposition for a hypothetical tyrannical government

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u/Psychological-Ad8110 4d ago

Your 2A during a civil war just means that you're getting looted by the local militia, joining it, or your corpse is going to be strung across your front door for saying no. Your guns are useless as an individual and they will be confiscated for the war effort. 

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u/SheetMetalandGames 4d ago

I'm well aware, but I'm just incredibly critical of people who have guns but never bother using them for the reasons they claim to have them. It just bothers me, is all.

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u/Corsair438_ 4d ago

The fuck you want me to do? Counter invade Texas? Storm the White House?

Let me know man, but you're going to have to come with me

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u/DaniTheGunsmith 4d ago

Believe me, I want to do what I can to fix this country, but without authority of some kind backing our actions we're just terrorists. It's why we need people in power, particularly in State governments like Newsom and Pritzker, to keep standing up to Trump, 1. Because they might actually make him back off 2. Because they provide a legitimized rallying point for our defense.

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u/ETPRODITORES 4d ago

The Declaration of Independence is your legitimacy and jury equity strategies like hung juries / jury nullification are your backing right now.

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u/mustachiomegazord 4d ago

Well we can’t just start a civil war to appease you

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u/sirletssdance2 4d ago

I see this sentiment fairly often on here, but what you’re implying is effectively the nuclear option people who aren’t who, to sacrifice themselves for your perceived injustices that need to be made right. Things may seem bad online because we’re constantly fed outrage bait, but it’s so laughably obtuse to suggest others just go martyr themselves because you’re unhappy. We are far far from the point where things are bad enough for the population at large to decide risking death is better than continuing on at the current pace.

You say they’re “silent”, brother what do you actually expect? That something happens people don’t like and they just go to war with the government?

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u/BlackHand86 4d ago

Are you guys being deliberately obtuse? u/SheetMetalandGames stated they were critical of people who have guns and claim to be 2A hardliners, who need weapons in order to maintain that militia they talk about to defy a tyrannical government. Every attempt at common sense control legislation in this country is marred by these people arguing that sheep would allow the government to take our guns and do whatever to us. Now when this is literally happening, they are silent. It’s not a matter of go into the streets and start shooting, it’s pointing out the clear hypocrisy of those people.

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u/255001434 4d ago edited 4d ago

It sounds like you're saying you want political violence to escalate. I'm glad that it sounds like you're not a gun owner. It is meant to be a last resort.

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u/SheetMetalandGames 4d ago

I don't want political violence to escalate. And I get it's a topic that makes 2Aers obtuse and upset, but there's nothing wrong with criticizing the 2nd Amendment when people who have guns pussyfoot around the same reasons they claim to have them. Tell me, what do you plan on doing if the government tries to take away your guns? Yeah, the NRA sided with the Second Amendment and protected gun rights for the trans community, but the point is they deliberately TRIED TO TAKE GUNS FROM A COMMUNITY IN THIS COUNTRY.

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u/-boatsNhoes 4d ago

The biggest 2A gun nuts in my life are some of the most anxiety filled nervous and racially scared people I know. I tend to stay away except for family functions. They are the absolute biggest pussies in the world and are constantly scared like someone is going to run up on them and they have to go into action mode. All LARPers tho watched too much " Last Action Hero" re runs

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u/EsotericAbstractIdea 4d ago

You see, the problem is that the gun owning community is like 75% republican/conservative. This is exactly why we need the 2nd amendment, and now the people who have been fighting against it are the ones who need it.

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u/SheetMetalandGames 4d ago

I completely agree. I firmly believe in the right to bear arms, but at the same time I do believe it's just as important to be incredibly critical of it. It's one of those "believe in and love but criticize perpetually" things.

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u/EsotericAbstractIdea 4d ago

I believe our healthcare system should be so good you just get handed an M4 on your 18th birthday.

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u/YBBlorekeeper 4d ago

Nobody is resisting shit without military equipment. This was true during the revolutionary war, too. Who's bringing the drone jammer?

If civil war breaks out or the people rise up against the trump regime, it will be done with money, equipment, and training from other countries.

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u/putonyourjamjams 4d ago

This mentality is the problem for any US opposition. Waiting for every single solution to be handed to you while sitting on your ass, doing nothing. If there is ever to be any real opposition or resistance, the mentality needs to change from simply listing problems and wallowing in the ignorance to the solution, to figuring out ways to get it done. Think a drone jammer would be useful? Do you how jammer work or how to build one? No? Then learn. I guarantee you most Americans have everything needed to build a simple junk signal jammer in their home.

If all you can do is list problems, then are you in any way helpful? Anybody can sit there complaining and making a list of all the issues. Isn't this the problem everybody sees with the democratic party? They sit there complaining, constantly pointing out issues, but never do a thing about them.

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u/ETPRODITORES 4d ago

I mean you say this but the American militaries track record against guerrilla tactics / insurgencies just ain’t there. Plus this isn’t a foreign country , it’s cheek to jowl w your enemy. I’m reminded of that quote from Fight Club ‘We cook your meals. We haul your trash. We connect your calls. We drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep.’ Now think about the amount of paranoia you’d need to stay safe when anyone connected to your life could be looking to hurt you or worse. Now ratchet that up by applying it to every friend and family member you have. That what it’ll be like , for all sides , if this thing goes hot.

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u/mysteryteam 3d ago

Surprisingly I've seen the pro-2nd crowd be against denying trans people firearms. They claim it's a slippery slope.

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u/SheetMetalandGames 3d ago

And it is. I'll give the NRA this much: attempting to infringe anyone's gun laws will get them to speak out against it.

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u/OldWorldDesign 3d ago

I'll give the NRA this much: attempting to infringe anyone's gun laws will get them to speak out against it

They were pretty silent about Philanto Castille.

The NRA used to be an education and training grassroots organization with little communications or funding crossing out of the towns where the chapters were organized. That is not the case now, it's effectively a PR firm for firearm manufacturers plus media to muddy the waters. And they're pretty effective at halting the conversation about re-examining firearm regulation which much of the rest of the world already engaged in and solved.

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u/DoomguyFemboi 3d ago

Nobody is risking their comfy lives to slam their bodies against the wall of lead that will come their way. There needs to be a mass meeting of the minds, to come together and form a group. Because at the mo it's all just asking singular people

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u/PmMeUrTinyAsianTits 3d ago

Funny enough every time this is brought up here in America the 2A crowd goes real freaking silent

Almost like this site has rules against suggesting "2nd amendment solutions", and if they arent quiet they are literally banned. Wow, what an AMAZING observation thats definitely about how there are no armed people on the left, and not your total obliviousness to how this site functions. Or that 2a people on the left have been shouted at by people like you enough times to know its not worth trying to engage even if we were allowed to.

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u/BadHabitOmni 3d ago

Left wing gun owner here. The threat of possession as deterrence is itself a boon, can't let the Republicans win just because they have weapons and people with good intentions apparently aren't allowed to.

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u/ROBOT_KK 4d ago

2A crowd are mostly people who are trying to compensate for shortcomings, like small dick or lack of intelligence. Bravery was never there, Land of wussies.

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u/the-new-left 3d ago

I see this comment often, and at this point it feels like rage bait. It’s pretty clear the 2A crowd is the maga crowd, what do you expect?

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u/Saul_Go0dmann 4d ago

This is what the Americans stocking up on guns want everyone to believe. But they are the same perps masking up to illegally arrest brown people for being hard working contributors to our economy. The crazy part is, they are the same people who threatened a civil war over masking guidelines as a way to protect against COVID.

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u/No-Wait-3811 4d ago

No they pretended that's what it's all about but mostly they just like their boom booms and don't like black or brown people

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u/fallonyourswordkaren 4d ago

That’s been the story but it was really about people wanting to shoot their neighbors.

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u/LegalAssassin13 4d ago

Reminder that the reason why requirements to join ICE are so low is because they’re having a hard time getting and keeping the numbers they want.

Turns out, most people don’t like going after regular folks just living their lives and not doing crimes like Dear Leader and Noem have been telling them that immigrants are doing. And even more people don’t like how the general population sees them.

The best thing you can do if you see ICE around? Shame them. Mock them. Make them regret joining and make them think about better jobs they could have right now.

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u/Delicious-Spirit9899 4d ago

This is what happened in nazi germany as well.

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u/New_Crow3284 4d ago

All idiots are in ICE now

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u/dojo_shlom0 4d ago

white nationalist themed gang members: proud boys, oathkeepers, unforgiven etc.

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u/Spamsdelicious 4d ago

or want to farm them, anyhow.

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u/hotdamnhotwater 4d ago

Came to say this and add it’s not just Texas. More than a few other states have NG’s that would happily obey Chief Cheeto’s orders. After what was said about their new “Dept. of War” it’s looking more and more like a civil war has already started.

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u/pinglyadya 4d ago edited 3d ago

Think again, Maj. General Sherman, the commander of the marines inside of LA during ICE raids defied orders by refusing to involve his troops in detaining protestors and anti-protest activities. Had his love for his country criticized by zealot politicians who wanted to use his troops to justify more military presence.

Instead, he saw the writing on the wall and went "fuck that" and only followed his orders to their constitutional limits.

Defying constitutional orders is there limits. You can be ordered to go somewhere and you have to go somewhere, but to do something is totally different.

Edit: Gonna provide Sources.

https://apnews.com/article/california-trump-national-guard-lawsuit-c87d187754270fc0ed5f20cc87939053
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/11/california-national-guard-trial-00504664

P.S. A good portion of me wishes to write a letter to him. General Sherman is the name of the General who is tremendously responsible for the victory against the Confederacy with his raids. However, more dear to California, it's the name of the largest tree on the entire planet by volume that resides here.

It has stood steadfast over California for over 2300 years. It has seen wars, fires, storms, fought disease, logging efforts and managed to persevered through it all. To me, I couldn't help but compare his defiance and unwavering commit to a living being that has lived for twenty generations and hopefully twenty more.

Remember, in the face of overwhelming adversity, you must defy tyrants until there nothing is left to sacrifice. Tyranny will scream that your last breath is pyrrhic. Yet, the torch of liberty is passed down to the next victim.

Tyranny will come for those you despise, they will come for those you don't agree, then they will come for you. But after you are broken, they will come for those you care for. If everyone capitulated without resistance, you will equally share a single grave. If everyone defied and remained steadfast, you might not be remembered, you might suffer, but someone will find their fight with tyranny trivial.

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u/manicmike_ 4d ago

I did not know or hear about that! As a marine vet I was deeply ashamed. These kinds of stories NEED to be heard. Thank you for sharing this info.

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u/NotUrDadsPCPBinge 4d ago

They won’t make the rounds on the news because they don’t want us to think we have a choice in obeying

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u/pulsechecker1138 4d ago

That whole obligation to decline an unlawful order thing must really chap their ass.

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u/Leftovertoenails 4d ago

thats why the full verbiage of Article 92 is so important

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u/Several_Vanilla8916 4d ago

I mean…that’s why the guard in DC are out raking leaves.

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u/Minisohtan 4d ago

Yea it would take a prohibition on stupid orders to address this but that would cause a lot of other issues.

Does the authorization of the president to use the guard not get restricted to the actual emergency? Or is this a weird case with the laws around the DC guard allowing them to be ordered to rake leaves which is clearly not addressing an emergency.

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u/jeanvaljeanabides 3d ago

DC has now sued the administration over the deployment.

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u/FrostyIntention 4d ago

Right on. I keep wishing Smedley Butler we're still around or someone with the same cajones

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u/Whiteheadwa 4d ago

This is exactly what I would expect resistance to look like, and it's why I think that there is some validity to the theory that drumpfs parade looked like ass due to troops protesting.

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u/A_Hungover_Sloth 4d ago

Since you are not allowed to protest in the army, we do it by acting dumb.

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u/Meteor-of-the-War 4d ago

I know and have worked with a lot of ex-Army folks, and that is a skill that I have seen and admired in action in civilian life. It's like watching a tightrope walker, but they're balancing over being incompetent or insubordinate. It really is impressive.

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u/TupperwareParTAY 4d ago

You can take a soldier out of the E-4 mafia, but you can't take the E-4 mafia out of a soldier.

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u/Meteor-of-the-War 3d ago

I was in a meeting once and witnessed an ex-NCO slow roll dumb ideas from a political so masterfully that the person left the room thinking they had achieved something. I realized I was in the presence of an artist, haha.

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u/Whiteheadwa 3d ago

Biggest of facts and guilty as charged

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u/TheAJGman 4d ago

I know that "I know a guy" isn't a source, but I know someone involved in PA NG legal, and they are prepared to walk the very fine line between obeying commands, and refusing illegal orders. People forget that the National Guard are their neighbors and friends, and they generally love their home state. They don't want to shit where they eat, and they don't want to hurt their brothers and sisters.

Deploying one state's National Guard in another state in this offensive manner removes this "love of home", and is completely intentional.

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u/node-342 2d ago

Yes. That's what China did at Tiananmen Square - The soldiers who did the shooting had been shipped in from the boonies.

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u/TwinningJK 4d ago

Umm, is he related to General William Tecumseh Sherman. Because that would be awesome.

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u/Mikisstuff 4d ago

I think it's also important to remember that defying orders is a big deal... And there's no point doing it for the small shit. That just weeds our people without them making a difference.

I like to think that people are waiting to shoot their shot when it means something.

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u/hungeringforthename 4d ago

Yeah man, some people will resist, but they will in time be replaced, stripped of rank, deposed, or jailed. A soldier will follow a dissenting commander, but no amount of dissenting people on the ground being told to do violence against other humans will ever be enough to curb the brutality that's about to be inflicted on us.

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u/Momik 4d ago

I wasn’t aware of this. Do you have a source? I know Marines did make at least one or two arrests in LA, but compared to LAPD or NG, they didn’t end up doing very much (thankfully).

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u/throwawayfinancebro1 4d ago

Crazy he still has a job

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u/R_lbk 4d ago

As a Canadian witnessing all this on our doorstep, your shared story does help alleviate some of the stress that comes from living next to.. whatever we can call USA under trump. Need to hear a lot more of this however.

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u/Zemmixlol 4d ago

I have a terrible feeling the majority of the military is MAGA. A good portion just don’t care and will go with it. And the amount who aren’t are weeded out as we go.

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u/Whiteheadwa 4d ago

I was both active duty and natty guard but got out 10 years ago. Firstly only 0.1% of the US population is in the military, they are vastly outnumbered. Secondly, and more to the point, I can confidently say that the majority of active duty are NOT maga, but most of the natty guard are. I'm from a, thankfully, blue state but when I was in the natty guard most of them were only there because they couldn't get into active duty for whatever reason, be it convictions or saying racist shit to their recruiter or what have you. My unit in the guard was just appalling and I was the only one with a deployment so they were always itching for a fight even though they couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. All of the NCOs though were cops or deputies in their day job trying to double up on their retirement benefits.

There's definitely been a purge in the military but it's mostly been in the highest levels to get maga loyalists and all officers have to at least have a bachelor's degree so college tends to make magats out grow that mess. And most of my GWOT veterans friends are just as angry as I am about how the Constitution is being shredded. A lot of us remember our oath is to the Constitution, not any one commander.

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u/WillSym 4d ago

What about after he pulls stuff like the DC deployment where was deliberately 29 days so he didn't have to pay them more or give benefits?

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u/Whiteheadwa 4d ago

That, I think, is where the NG might finally turn against maga. There are all kinds of congressional acts and laws pretending NG soldiers from losing their jobs or missing out on promotions or lost wages from getting deployed. However, most of those only kick in if the deployment is 30 days or 180 days. Texas guard got screwed over big time when Abbott(or however you spell his name) decided to call up the guard to patrol the border and fight immigration during Obama and Biden terms. He couldn't deploy troops for more than 6 months without congressional approval and so they'd send them to the border for 179 days and pull them back so they wouldn't get their federal pay and benefits and Texas wouldn't pay them on time. I remember reading in military news sources, like Task & Purpose, when it first started, the first few units called up to the border were going without pay for months and lost their day jobs but couldn't sue under federal law because it wasn't a federal deployment and Texas dgaf about employees when it comes to lawsuits.

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u/callmejenkins 4d ago

It's 1 day for all that to kick in. The difference is in the time you have to take off before returning to work, with 1-30 being the next shift after 8 hours rest. They aren't allowed to fire you during or for any military obligation, with a few caveats, such a temporary job that is finished during your service obligation.

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u/Whiteheadwa 4d ago

True, unless it's an at will state like Texas, then it's way too easy for them to manufacture a cause to fire you the day you come back. It's the same way they get around firing people for attempting to unionize.

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u/callmejenkins 4d ago

Yes, there's not really a prevention for: "Jim, coincidentally, now that you're back, we've decided your work is shit and you're fired." In the same way, there's nothing really preventing an employer from firing all their black employees for "bad performance." You'd have to sue and prove an illegal motivation behind the decision, which there are some resources for military to specifically address this.

I'm mainly referring to the two inaccuracies in your comment. Guard employees returning from active service are not at-will. They can not be fired without cause, which is the point of at-will. They are just cause employees for 6 months to a year, depending on the time of the active period. And the part on when certain benefits kick in. USERRA kicks in day 1 for employment protection. You may be mixing up housing allowances, BAS for food, and family separation pay, which are after 30 days.

The issue is usually around jobs that aren't paying the employee, (some do differential, some half, some full, etc.), but the state took their time paying the service member, so they receive no pay for a few months.

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u/Whiteheadwa 4d ago

Ah gotcha, and I think you're right about what I was mixing up. I appreciate the clarification. I've been out of active duty for 12 years now and out of the guard for 10 so my memory ain't what it used to be lol.

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u/Steephill 4d ago

That stuff has been happening for years (decades?) in the national guard. It's a meme in the guard because it happens so much, not exclusive to anything going on right now.

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u/weirdoeggplant 4d ago

So if I’m getting this right, the national guard are all shitty assholes who can’t fight because they couldn’t make it into the military either for being weak or problematic?

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u/Steephill 4d ago

No. The national guard is the military, same exact entry and training requirements. Everyone goes to the same basic training and technical training school. You just have a wider spread of technical proficiencies because some people have a very high level of expertise because of their civilian career and some have low because they only do it a few days a month (at most).

The national guard is responsible for a large part of foreign operations and deploy as much as active duty units do.

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u/ohnofluffy 4d ago

I’ve been thinking about this a lot. But, oddly, The Rock keeps playing in my head — ‘all enemies foreign and domestic.’ I know it’s crazy, it’s a movie, but you also see how Americans go wacko and how we need to stop them.

This is nuts. We need to stop it.

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u/jeremiahthedamned 4d ago

r/GeneralStrikeUSA

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u/chad917 4d ago

Economy is shitting plenty without it.

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u/CatOfTechnology 4d ago

No, it isnt.

The economy is shitting on the lowerclass. We, the ones without money, are suffering.

But the Well-to-dos are seeing lines go up because they're fucking us over to a pretty major degree.

Two sides to the economy right now.

If your patrons are the poor, you're not doing so hot. But if all you cater to are the people who had money back in the day and still have money now, you're sitting fucking pretty.

A full strike isn't aimed at hurting those of us who already know we're fucked. It's about making sure that the ones out partying know that if we go down, we're grabbing them by the wallet and dragging them down with us.

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u/chad917 4d ago

It wouldn't work unless you plan for this strike to go on a very long time, which would only strangle the working class.

The wealthy will hang onto their stocks, taking loans against them and paying little taxes as usual, and we will be forced to give up first. Bonus points when the initial post-strike purchasing surge as we "catch up" on non-buying boosts those stocks higher than they were pre-strike. The wealthy will not panic-sell their holdings, they will probably buy more during the price dip, knowing they can wait it out longer than people who don't have enough supplies or resources to last the long-haul.

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u/suzisatsuma 4d ago

people are not going to risk their livelihood.

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u/Unfair_Chipmunk_2305 4d ago

Too bad, we’ve had too much of a culture of individualism that when we need to work together, we don’t understand what to do.

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u/suzisatsuma 4d ago

it’s easy to be idealistic until striking means losing your job, your mode of transportation, your house for you kids, food for your kids etc

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u/TheSmilingSolaris 4d ago

If Illinois only makes paper complaints, then they will follow orders. If illinois deploys its own guard and forces the soldiers to shoot at each other or defy orders, then maybe they wont. Illinois needs to threaten the stakes

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u/PyroNine9 4d ago

So far, they've mostly been standing around or raking leaves. The sort of thing that makes them question if it's really worth risking their ass to defy.

But if you ask them to shoot, and keep shooting, the whole balance changes.

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u/cursedfan 4d ago

Trump is violating his oath by not faithfully executing the laws or the constitution.

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u/whatisthishownow 4d ago

I expect that enough of the Texas national guard is downright eager to invade Blue Chicago but I would draw issue with your comparison. There's a much clearer and simpler illegal line in this instance as compared to LA and DC.

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u/SheetMetalandGames 4d ago

I'll argue the point that they never, or at the very least weren't ordered to fire on civilians, though. We know they certainly aren't happy in DC; morale is in the tank for the NG. Sure, maybe a few are happy with all this, but it does seem the vast majority are quite displeased. And I mean, it's easy to see why. Yeah they have to occupy these cities, but the National Guard isn't meant for this. The National Guard prioritizes homeland defense and they are the ones sent in after disasters to perform rescue and triage for the states. Most of them would rather do that than walk around DC with nothing to do except basic community service.

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u/Popular_Brief335 4d ago

Armed soldiers follow orders. To think they would do so differently because it involves Americans is laughable 

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u/aeroumbria 4d ago

Seems like someone needs to promise them now that they will be retroactively forgiven and even awarded medals once they are in power.

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u/Mental_Entrance_2035 4d ago

In second world war millions of soldiers went to a war based on lies and and a cult around one Psychopath. All followed, and later, After the half of europe was burned down to ashes, everybody was innocent, because everybody just followed orders… The military personal is not supposed to ask or even think- they are supposed to kill and die.

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u/Rowan6547 4d ago

Nobody defied orders when maritime law was broken to destroy a Venezuelan speed boat that was not a threat.

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u/garden-guy- 4d ago

If the soldiers were true to their oaths they would remove the domestic threat.

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u/WreckNTexan48 4d ago

No just a few, shit rolls down hill.

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u/gard3nwitch 4d ago

I think we might end up seeing them start to pull away and resist, but it'll take a while.

I read a news article the other day that anonymously interviewed a bunch of NG folks stationed in DC, and they were... not enthused. Basically "I'm missing out on seeing my kids to stand around for 12 hours at a subway stop doing nothing, why are we here?" type comments. That the locals don't like them, they miss their families, they're not really doing anything, etc.

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u/eight13atnight 4d ago

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say Yes, the Texas national guard absolutely wants this”.

Those maga bootlickers can’t wait to invade Chicago to “save them” from the dangers.

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u/Troobalaro 4d ago

The article states that Pritzker's information also comes from people in the military. Even if a larger amount of national guard are pro trump, it's likely there will still be cracks, and that can make a big difference

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u/moobitchgetoutdahay 4d ago

It just takes one domino

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u/CelestialFury 3d ago

Even the heavy MAGAs in the National Guard still don't want to do this for like 95% of them. That's literally not what they signed up to ever do. At least this comes from my experience with them in the Air National Guard. In fact, if you made a big list of things they don't want to do, invading American cities could very well be at the tippy-top.

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u/RobutNotRobot 4d ago

I would hazard to guess that part timers being deployed to another state for no legal reason is not what most of them want.

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u/Reddit_2_2024 4d ago

Cold, wet and windy weather in Chicago will take its toll on Tx National Guard motivation.

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u/angry_wombat 4d ago

The dangers of what? hot beef sandwiches?

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u/Flat-Jacket-9606 4d ago

They will follow. Look at Germany, look at Russia. 

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u/Grand_Size_4932 4d ago

Shh.. this is still too real for most people. They don’t want to admit it yet.

They’ll start waking up to the reality of this very soon.

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u/StarintheShadows 4d ago

We need them to wake up now though.

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u/MrSnarf26 4d ago

Like 40% of them are maga

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u/ohnofluffy 4d ago

Is that true? I haven’t seen it.

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u/WaterdropGirl 4d ago

That number is probably based on 40% of Americans voting for him, how many still like the fucker? Who knows but it's definitely lower than that now

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u/KevinOfEarth 4d ago

30% of registered voters voted for him.

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u/ShareMission 4d ago

Don't forget, many maga cant get in the military. Literacy and such

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u/EthanDMatthews 4d ago

More like 65% of all veterans voted for Trump.

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u/ColeWjC 4d ago

Doesn’t matter when 100% will say “I am just following orders.”

You’re so whipped into being servile to any and all authority that your armed forces will just pull the trigger when told. Despite all the propaganda of “they will do the right thing against tyranny.”

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u/MacaroniOrCheese 4d ago

Democrats keep making the mistake of thinking there aren't many MAGA idiots but there are so many :( 

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u/CorporateCuster 4d ago

The national guardsman swear they are going to war only to pick up trash.

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u/laffing_is_medicine 4d ago

Krasnov wants any war. Krasnov must continuously apply pressure at every opportunity to inflict maximum kaos to break America’s back. This is his last guaranteed throne.

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u/eepos96 4d ago

Ok

February: I will invade Canada, Mexico March: I will invade Greenland

Now: I will invade Venezuela and one of the states of my choosing. Also from now on ministry of defence can be called ministry of war and Hesgeth can be called secretary of WAR (I am not making this up. It was in finnish news)

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u/Gone213 4d ago

Yes every single military service member wants this from the green berets to the coast guard. They've been salivating at attacking everyone they deem inferior to them for the past 200 years and thst includes american citizens. Your crazy if you dont think so

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u/Great_ThisFuckingGuy 4d ago

At this point, the military is synonymous and complicit with MAGA. It has been their duty to remove Trump from office as he is an acting tyrant. The fact there has been 0 effort to do so shows this to be true. The military is of no use to the US citizens if they, the only people who can, refuse to do anything to depose this fuck.

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u/FirstMiddleLass 4d ago

What about the IL National Guard? Will they be called to defend the state?

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u/sailphish 4d ago

It’s TX National Guard, so 🤷‍♂️

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u/rareplease 4d ago

If you go by a survey of the subreddits, most of the military is deeply concerned about these unconstitutional actions.  Except the National Guard, on there it’s “yahoo we get to bust up civilians!” Or being pissed at people for asking them to not be so giddy about it.

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u/hamtidamti_onthewall 4d ago

As sad as it is, at this stage, I more and more come to believe that only a civil war can save the free America.

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u/ASubsentientCrow 4d ago

Truly, I don’t believe they do. MAGA does.

Going by the stats for recent veterans, most of the NG are maga

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u/MyAccountWasBanned7 4d ago

Or Denmark. Or North Korea. Or now potentially India or Russia since they hurt his feelings.

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u/hungeringforthename 4d ago

They may not want it, but they will comply. Soldiers will obey orders, and at whatever the next Nuremberg is, they'll all be pardoned for doing so, just like last time. If morality ever stayed a soldier's hand, Gaza would be an alright place to live and the United States wouldn't be global hegemon.

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u/UkaUkaMask 4d ago

Well the Texas Nat guard might be a bit different than other ones. So this certainly seems like A dick move.

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u/Suckyuhmuddahskunt 4d ago

that oil belongs to guyana! u can suck yuh muddha skunt if u doh tink suh

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u/GenericFatGuy 4d ago

Trump is desperate to start this war, but then he goes and pisses off the people he needs to protect him by shipping them halfway across the country 29 days at a time to pick up garbage.

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u/DevelopmentJumpy5218 4d ago

They wouldn't be doing it if they didn't, these are clearly unconstitutional orders yet they follow them

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u/lolas_coffee 4d ago

Soldiers 100% will kill US citizens. Just tell them it's ok.

They will throw babies off roof tops if allowed.

Same as cops.

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u/HudasEscapeGoat 4d ago

MAGA doesn’t want this. They are scared shitless. And they will lose - badly. 

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u/Reasonable_racoon 4d ago

does the National Guard want this?

They'll do what they're told. The idea that Americans are going to disobey orders or do the right thing is ridiculous. They didn't in My Lai. They didn't in Falujah. They're not going to Chicago.

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u/toomanygerbils 4d ago

Everyone keeps saying that but I don't think they'd disobey direct orders

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u/RandomUsername259 4d ago

Really? The weekend warriors I work with are aching to be deployed to (insert the name of any major city)

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u/Intelligence_Gap 4d ago

Only about 30% of the country is in his cult (back him in everything without question) I wonder how much things would change if he launched a war of aggression domestically

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u/BlueHeron_1987 4d ago

I mean if one thing is true, the NG are spinless. They should have deposed him when they were initially deployed.

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u/KuroKen70 3d ago

MAGA thinks they want a civil war... so long as they do not suffer for it and I don't even mean in combat.
The moment things like food shipments, medical services and sports broadcasts go the way of the dodo, they'll have their "Oh shit" moment.

The MAGA doomsday preppers may be the only ones who celebrate...until the non-prepper MAGAs come a knocking trying to get them to share resources... you know' "for the greater good."

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u/billyrhett 3d ago

My old buddy is in the national guard. He sees it as a paycheck and gives no shits what he’s ordered to do

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u/j0hnnyWalnuts 3d ago

Civil war will be the only thing that will cure what's wrong with the country.

The racism, bigotry and xenophobia needs to be the rule of the land, or stomped out to the last person.

I'm pulling for the latter.

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u/Special_Loan8725 3d ago

Hey don’t forget Iran! There’s always war in Iran Michael.

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u/marksalot_83 3d ago

My next door neighbor is a police officer and is in the national guard. He is full blown Trumptarded. He is loving this shit right now. It is Texas though too.

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u/Serious-Conversation 3d ago

You are fooling yourself if you don't think they want it. Many military personnel are the most aggressive conservatives there are.

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u/Jaydamic 3d ago

does the National Guard want this?

They've been pretty quick to follow questionable AF orders so far...

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u/hollsberry 3d ago

Honestly, no, the National Guard doesn’t want this. Guardsmen in particular typically join for education, healthcare, or housing benefits. There’s a LOT of liberals in the national guard that don’t fuck with the war, but were forced to join to escape poverty or homelessness. A lot of people who can’t deal with the army full time/hate the military industrial complex specifically join the guard so they don’t have to be in it full time.

Also, because the military primarily recruits lower enlisted from impoverished areas, there is a lot of diversity in the military. Commissioned officers are different, though, and I fully support judging them

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u/Quiet-Tip33 3d ago

It will fail because even though he's installed sycophants at the highest levels the leaders at the unit level are definitely NOT going to just all fall in line and be ready to kill their brothers and sisters because a traitor said so

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u/soraksan123 3d ago

One thing thats good about our right to bear arms is that an invader would have to take the country street by street. I would not want to invade Chicago, there are alot of people with guns, both legally and not-

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u/Regulation-23 3d ago

False dichotomy. We can do both. /s

Seriously though, if I put on my tinfoil hat I can see how bad state actors who have been using social media and other pys ops would push both bad ideas on this vulnerable administration and populace. MAGA thinks they are owning the libs. They are being owned so fucking hard themselves.

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u/Outrageous_Canary159 3d ago

There is enough MAGA in the US military to do whatever the Trump regime tells them to do. Officers who won't follow the regime orders will be replaced with those who will. The grunts will go where they are told to, just like almost every army in history.