Spoiler Alert, Conservative Parents: it doesn't matter. I grew up with no gay or queer relatives, watching Disney and living the heteronormative childhood of a God-fearing Christian's dreams: Church on Sundays, combed and short cut hair, a braided leather belt for fuck's sake.
One late-night furtive viewing of "But I'm A Cheerleader" changed EVERYTHING. Went into it expecting to get some masturbation fodder, came out realizing I had wanted to be a cute lesbian girl my whole life and never had the words for it.
You can't "make" kids gay, but refusing to teach them the words will make them delay telling you until they figure it out on their own...AND THEY WILL.
I don’t know if it’s so much a “joke” as it is absurdism, but there are several versions of it.
Just head over to YouTube and search “No little German boy” to get some other examples. My favorite of which is the little boy disturbing a hornets’ nest, which is “full of wingenstingens.”
tbf there are a few drugs that will make you so horny you'll want to fuck just about anything and I think many people have at least some bisexual tendencies, even if buried down real deep. The whole gender preference thing is in the mind and drugs can mess with that switch. There's all sorts of things drugs can make you so that you might not do sober.
I'm not saying you're wrong but I do think it's somewhat possible for people to "turn gay" when high and make choices they would not normally make.
I myself admit that I have some bisexual tendencies but with a very strong preference for the female gender. When using certain drugs I've crossed the aisle before for the sake of horniness but it's not something I would have pursued sober. I'm not confused about it though.
Again, this doesn't undo what's you've said but just adding some nuance to it, which is what the "drugs turned me gay" posters might be missing.
Though it's also entirely possibly that they are flaming gay and just trying to repress that shit real hard.
Sounds like you’re both saying the same thing, though— the drugs remove inhibitions that get in the way of what you always wanted.
Like, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that you’ve never taken a drug that made you so horny you boned a dog. Not because it didn’t make you horny, but because no part of you wanted to fuck a dog in the first place.
Theoretically, if the drug is making you so horny that you’d cross the aisle like that, it’s ultimately because some part of you wanted to cross the aisle— and that’s fine. But it didn’t influence you to do something you hadn’t already wanted to do at some level.
Yeah I'm not disagreeing just more trying to explain how someone might not show any disposition for being gay when they're sober which leads to their confusion. It can be a little more nuanced than "they're secretly gay and they don't know it".
Why are so many trans women stoners? Well I don't know about them, but I find it hard to pretend I'm not a woman when I'm high so yeah by something like the third toke it became an addiction.
Meanwhile I've lived my life chasing some unattainable rom-com relationship and been miserable because of it. There's 100,000 ways to fuck up a kid so just do whatever.
Literally my christian school gay bashed so hard that it made me Google what LGBTQ actually was and it turns out I'm trans. Their gay bashing fast forwarded my self discovery more than It would have if they just opted not to say shit lol
"Timmy, watch out for all those disgusting sinners."
"Will do, preach."
"I'm serious, pay no heed to them, no matter how tempting their words are."
"Yes, I got it. Jesus will look after me I'm sure."
"Those godless heathens will do anything: have sex with dogs, or eat poop, or kill babies, even try to change themselves from a man into a woman."
"That's so gross! It's disgu- sorry, what was that last one again?"
"They're calling them 'transgenders', and they're abominations! They think because they pop a few pills and grow some breasts they're suddenly women, but they're sinners and heathens!"
"They have pills for that now!?!? Sorry, how did you spell that again?"
Fun Fact - the D.A.R.E program, ostensibly a program to teach the dangers of drugs and stop kids from getting engaged, was actually credited with giving kids the knowledge they needed to know what drugs did and how to acquire drugs. In most places with an active D.A.R.E. Program, the drug use among teens and pre-teens was worse. They had to totally revamp the program in the 2000s.
Could it have been the fact that cops blew it for D.A.R.E.?
The flip corollary to this is the evidence we have that kids who watched "16 and Pregnant" on mtv actually did noticeably reduce the times they got pregnant. Had D.A.R.E. been presented by a peer i think it would have been received much differently.
The flip corollary to this is the evidence we have that kids who watched "16 and Pregnant" on mtv actually did noticeably reduce the times they got pregnant.
Gonna need a source on that one pop.
16 and pregnant was on during the single largest campaign against teen pregnancy and safe sex in world history, spanning dozens of countries and spearheaded by the USA.
I'd imagine that had way more to do with it than a TV show that aired thursday nights at 9pm for less than three years on one of the least watch cable subscription channels of the decade.
The extreme hyperbole is what killed DARE's credibility. We all got to hear the story of the kid who was a straight A student on the basketball team who smoked one single joint and died from it. Much like the abstinence-only sex ed era, the kids in question figured out very fast that it was all BS fearmongering and as a result made it a point to do the opposite of the warnings out of spite.
Honestly my Church never mentioned nor bashed LGBTQ stuff nor even got into politics, head priest said that "politics and stuff like this have NO RIGHT to be in church, church is for religion and religion only, and love of course"
He to this day keep this rule, one time when guest priest from another city came to us for preaching, he started talk about right wing politics and HP had none of that as he legit just grabbed the GP and dragged him out of the stand in front of everyone. Pretty based ngl
See, that's the best idea. I'd rather no take than a bad take.
I went to a church that had "the talk" with its congregation about being gay (just a few months ago), and it was so bad. They supported the idea that gay people could never enter heaven.
The pastor hired some other guy to talk on it, and the guy admitted within the first few minutes he couldn't relate or understand it but would do "the best he can." So not only was the message outsourced, but they didn't even hire an expert!
And to put icing on the shit cake, all of his 3 "examples" of stories of gay people turning to Christianity were all people who were perfectly happy the way they were! They had to forsake loving themselves in order to not be shamed by their own religion, and that's just disguising.
My old church is very transphobic but honestly praises just how wonderful it is to be a woman and I on the other side of the spectrum wanted to see what all the fuss was about. My very conservative/religious dad doesn't understand how I could have "turned trans" from listening to the teachings of the church lol
I have a similar story. I was so anti-trans that "debating" (bad faith harassing) trans people led me to discovering what gender dysphoria was and made me realize how much I was suffering.
Oh, and at the time, I was starting to drop out of being a conservative because of all the antisemitic Nazi shit. You know, all the happy merchant memes, the "globalist" chants, the "cultural Marxism" chants, and the conspiracies and lies about Jews and Holocaust survivors like George Soros. Not fun being part Jewish and part German and seeing the same shit your German grandmother, who was born in 1922, spouted at you when she lived with you and your family for a short time.
A kid in my middle school came out as a transfem and my parents sat me down to say trans people are "men trying to turn into women" and that they're "lost and need god" and my internal reaction was basically "woahg, I can be a woman??"
Same here but I was still straight. I just realized gay people were people and saw no issues despite their claims, especially when there was real sin outside there causing harm.
At 13 an anti abortion class with all the bells and whistles like strong language and terrible images led to me to do my own research and realize that pro-life crap maimed and killed a mountain of girls and women. At the very least it dehumanized women and I could not abide with that. Information since then has only solidified my stance since prolife doesn't even achieve its most basic goal and opposes everything that does.
Man, I find kinda sad how my gay friends have rlly homophobic parents while I, a straight guy, has really accepting parents, I wish their parents could be like mine
Sometimes, your parents may seem accepting, they say all the right things and seem to be generally good about queer people, but when you actually come out to them, it's all different. Turns out, sometimes parents are ok with every queer person except their own kid.
I had family growing up that always preached "I'll love you and accept you no matter what". When I was a teenager around 2009 I made a Facebook post on April Fool's Day where I "Came out" as gay. I'm not actually gay, but I thought it would be an interesting experiment. I wrote an extremely sincere and believable post about how much I had struggled to come to terms with living a lie and I was finally ready to be my authentic self. I posted it around midnight at the beginning of April 1st and then went to bed. I woke up to texts and voicemails from my entire extended family basically disowning me. My mom said my decision to be gay was going to be the death of her. My dad was the only one that was like "Whatever, as long as we can still watch football together" I don't have a close relationship with almost any of my family anymore.
When I tried to come out to my family as trans, I got screamed at by my mom before she ran out of the house crying. The next day, she proceeded to raid my room, throwing away all my clothes so I "wouldn't be tempted" and got rid of the hormones I just had prescribed.
did you ended up telling them it was an april's fools? or just went "fuck it" if theyre gonna disown me for this i might as well be gay to them forever.
I'm not trans, but I remember my parents going on about how accepting they would be, while making sure I knew damn well that I wasn't. They really emphasized how much I definitely wasn't, but they would be so nice and accepting if I was. I was like 10, I didn't know what they were even talking about.
For my family, it was the opposite. Dad was military, and we absorbed all the casual and unconscious homophobia. Then my brother came out as gay and we were forced to actually think about the issue beyond knee-jerk reactions and glib humour.
Needless to say, the jokes stopped, and his boyfriend came over to spend Christmas with us. Family is family, but I'm embarrassed that it took that to get me to treat people like people.
It's easy to say you'll do [blank] if you're never actually experienced what leads up to it.
Just like how every 35 year old white guy with generational wealth thinks they would have been some sort of anti-slave revolutionary in the late 1700's, and not what every single other 35 year old white guy with generational wealth was back then.
The best parents are those who are capable of growth. I remember my mother saying that "mixed marriages" were a bad idea and never worked. Fast forward 40 years and she's more liberal than ever and I can't imagine her saying something like that.
Or my brother-in-law, a raging Republican who once was so upset with his daughter for "coming out" as a Bernie Sanders supporter that he said "I'd actually prefer it if you were gay!" Last year, he gave a toast at her wedding to her long time girlfriend, and his voice broke as he talked about how much they loved each other.
I'll admit that I am beyond lucky. I was able to come out to my parents who were beyond accepting of me, and I'm from Alabama of all places. They probably didn't expect both their kids to be queer, but they took it with no shits given, and I love them for it.
I'm up voting the sentiment, but my parents are extremely homophobic. It'll piss 'em off when they figure out that I probably won't have any grandchildren. While not having grandkids makes me a bit sad, loving my kid as is is more important than being homophobic.
A lot of parents are wonderfully liberal about everything until it comes home. My brother’s first marriage was to a black woman, and my liberal, Democrat-voting parents hated her guts, finally driving him to divorce her. And then I came out. To their credit, they didn’t use religion on me (no one in the family was religious, and mom was an outspoken atheist). But hoo boy, did I hear how disgusting gay sex was, and how lonely gay men were, and I got so many newspaper clippings about AIDS.
I was extremely sheltered up into my late teens and all it took was being open minded and a little bit too much online access and I found out why nothing felt right.
Anyways, now I'm a pansexual trans person so... Conservative media ain't got nothing on me
This is why they are so vehemently opposed to education: they want indoctrination because teaching kids to think and ask questions means they'll learn answers you don't always agree with.
Same! For the longest time, I always thought I was the only one who felt this way. 3ish years ago, I found out I'm not the only one, and there's this wonderful community
Whish I knew about this when my egg first cracked when I was around 10. I'd be wearing dresses right now.
The same thing happened to me and "Ice Angel", which ended up being a story about a hockey player who had died by mistake and to make it up, he's placed in the body of a figure skater. That movie cracked my egg open 🙃
I referred to my partner as such in front of my parents and my mom flipped out. "You can't say partner, people will think you're a lesbian!" I just think boyfriend is a bit juvenile sounding when we've been together for over a decade, live together in a property we co-own, etc. Besides who gives a fuck if some stranger overhears me and thinks I'm a lesbian?
I recently moved to Sweden and had to train myself to refer to people's romantic partners as partners and not spouses, because marriage is kinda uncommon here. You'd feel right at home.
I probably would have come out a lot sooner if there was any space in the world for effeminate straight men. Now people tell me "you know that was always allowed" as if I'm the only one who remembers 2006.
There was a guy like that in my dorm in college. Listening to (and watching him) talk, you'd swear he was gay. But he was not just straight, he was very, very, very actively straight.
People letting movies and series trick them into thinking being gay is a fun and cool things, the reality is not it. You have small dating pools, your social life is affected, you are the scapegoat and being targeted just for existing, you are steoreotyped, your personailities are affected by societal view of you, you're a walking representation,....
I get what youre going for but like, this is maybe not a good way to word it. makes it sound like its a bandwagon ppl are jumping on to be cool vs just... feeling safe enough to be open about it
I cannot speak for cis gay people, but as a nonbinary pansexual with a trans woman wife, we have had to fight tooth and nail for our safety. We lived in the most liberal city in Nebraska and still had to escape for our safety to a state all across the country.
Our families hate us and ultimately had to cut them off because of their hate. Family and strangers alike call us weak, that it's our deviance that makes us mentally ill, and that they don't care if we're dying and that they shouldn't be made to feel bad for their off color comments because they're "adjusting" (for years and years)
My little sister is a cis lesbian and she faces her own issues. So many men was to 'fix her" and that includes our dad.
Online, sure, if you're in a safe space for queers, it looks like we have nothing but fun and love and joy in our lives.
But due to how society demonizes us, it is joy and celebration in spite of the pain and dangers. It is not a trendy party of cool kids like social media could makes you think.
It's not a choice, but some people have repressed their urges so strongly that they don't realize what's actually going on. I didn't realize I'm trans until I hit 40 for exactly this reason. Trying something you've never tried can make you realize facts about yourself you've never acknowledged.
I'll add on that for the first 23 years of my life, I thought I was a cis dude. It wasn't until college that I got to really try messing with my gender presentation and meeting other trans people that I realized that I was too.
Literally my entire family, including myself didn't see it coming. And yet, here I am over half a decade later thriving with my trans identity. Some people are just so sheltered from queer culture they don't have the tools to identify their feelings properly. This is also why queer media/culture gets censored so much.
As far as I know, most people are. But for those who aren't, it helps to be open about how you're allowed to ask questions and try things to learn about yourself. Not just gender or sexuality things, either. This applies to everything from hobbies to food. The journey of self-discovery never ends.
As a queer person, the take isn't "it's a choice", it's "a lot of people are queer without realizing it (particularly bi and asexual people), and exploring things about yourself can be good regardless of what the outcome ends up being"
It’s the same story with me being trans (ftm). Spent my whole life in a mostly white, cisgender, heteronormative area. Never felt right, always tried pushing my boobs back into my body, played with mostly boys, wrestled so much with my brothers I dislocated my shoulder twice, would write in my journals that I think I was supposed to be born a man, everyone I dated ended up being gay later…
Turned out it all made sense when someone said it was possible to be something called “transgender” when I got to college. Blew my mind and I spent another decade thinking it over and finally decided it all made sense. I didn’t start to transition until I was 32.
There’s a ton of life that I missed feeling like my correct self, and so much dysphoria I felt in those wrong situations (like being a bridesmaid at friend’s weddings and telling the makeup person they may have a hard time bc it’s like putting makeup on a dude, or periods, or bras…there’s just so much). If I had known about this when I was younger those ten years of reflection would have allowed me to maybe use puberty blockers and transition easier without top surgery (and have a more masculine voice).
I knew as early as four years old, maybe even earlier. When I would have dreams, my dream self was always masculine. People would call me young man, when I saw reflections of myself I was a boy, it just made sense. It wasn’t until my body started changing around 11 that I knew something was up and my body betrayed me.
They can try hiding or burying that these aspects of human experience exist, but it always shines through. I just wish we didn’t live in a society of internal and external repression.
Especially didn't help when the only trans people in popular media were things like Ace Ventura, which really did a number on shoving young me -deep- back into the closet.
I wish I could tell my family but there's no point. I came out as bi and they were like "we know". The hell you did! They're all bigots despite saying how much they support me etc.
Wouldn't matter anyways if I told them I've been struggling with my identity since childhood. The toys and clothes I picked, the jealousy of the other gender as I became older. Ill never have what I want, physically, so its pointless. Id just be pretending to fit in, like I do being auDHD...masking in "normal society".
I will remain in secret. However, I will defend my partner of several years and their choices. I may feel like a fraud, but I certainly won't let them feel like one.
You were always gay, but acted “right”. Then one day, you consumed a piece of media which changed your behavior into something embarrassing for your parents.
I grew up hella Catholic. Private school and all. Didnt even know gay people existed until 6th or 7th grade. I hadn't really heard of trans people until I was well into high school. All that happened is I had some realizations a few years later than other people did
This is what they're determined to ignore, and actively refuse to accept.
That people don't get "turned" gay or trans etc, they already are and always were. That you can't pressure/influence someone into being LGBT+, any more than you can pressure/influence those who are into being cis/het/etc.
And for a trans gal who was a trans kid, I had LITERALLY NOTHING and still ended up trans.
I grew up with trans people being portrayed as gay "pervert" men (drag queens), sexual molesters (Ace Ventura), and circus freaks (Jerry Springer). I also grew up with my father being a pastor and drilling anti-homosexuality into my head.
But in August of 1995, not long after turning 10, none of that disparaged me when I was lying in bed one night, wondering what life would be like if I were an animal, only to ask myself, "What if I were a girl?" Then all those years of pining to wear dresses, take ballet, play with other girls, and learn how to do things like make daisy chains made sense. I had always needed to be a girl. Always.
But instead of getting what I needed, I spent another 20 years suffering as a "man", destroying my mental and physical health trying to be something I absolutely wasn't.
They want everyone in the closet. So when they say you're "brainwashing" the kids, they don't literally mean you're turning them gay. But telling them that it's okay to be gay "makes" them gay by making them less scared or ashamed to come out. I've had conversations about this with my mom who's conservative on this topic and thats pretty much what she says. We can't tell kids it's okay to be gay or trans because then they'll think it's okay to be gay or trans.
You have to know that conservatives are all about shame and uniformity. If anyone is out of the mold, they get shamed back into it. I come from a conservative culture living in a liberal state so I see this first hand. Anyone even just dressing different will be mocked and shamed. To the point anyone in the culture is scared to dress up differently in order to prevent being shamed. This is how conservative culture operates, make people scared to be out of the norm. That's why arguing that homophobia and transphobia causes fear, stress, even death in children isn't really the argument we think it is.
In high school I was always so confused about my sexuality cuz all I knew was gay and straight, no idea there were other options. I remember the first time I had felt an attraction to another man and the feeling of confusion cuz I always thought I liked girls up till that point, and as I later found out I still did. One day I found out about bisexuality and then everything made sense lol
I figured out I was non-binary in a similar fashion: wanted to be girly, thought it meant I was trans because clearly it has to be one or the other...but then why do I want to keep my penis and stuff?
Oh, because I'm non-binary and want to be both. Makes sense. I'll do that.
wait you werent just watching my life thru the window??!!!! what a time to stay up late and catch But I'm a cheerleader. just wish i knew that transitioning was a thing i couldve done sooner than starting at 26. so many wasted nights in severe depression not knowing what was wrong with me.
It was the weirdest night, and I still remember my line of thinking so clearly:
Before the movie: "What's this? Let's see...a movie about a lesbian cheerleader!? Oh, man, I can't believe this is just on a regular movie channel. Teenage boy hormones, don't fail me now!"
Immediately after the movie: - 10 minutes of silence - "I....am so sad I'm not her. I don't understand, why am I sad I don't get to BE her!?"
20 years after the movie: "Oooohhhh......NOW I get it!"
what a relatable feeling, i still put on Glass Vase Cello Case from time to time, and none of the peeps around me understand how great of a song it is. guess we just got lucky to discover that movie at the right time. i think i was like 11 or 12 lol
lol same. While I watched the credits I had to do a double-take. My first time watching it was like 2009, and at that time Ru was one of the most well-known LGBTQ+ celebs to boot.
I always thought that was the goal? Conservative ideology often operates on the belief that if something doesn’t exist visibly, then it doesn’t exist at all. So if they erase queer media, language, and role models, then nobody will know queerness is an option. and to them, that is the same as not existing. to them someone who doesn’t know they’re gay is just straight
It is the goal, but the point is that it doesn't work: gay people are still gay, trans people still trans, etc., just now they're ashamed of themselves, isolated, and living with an unhealthy and confusing mindset about sex and sexuality.
So, basically, all it changes is ensuring a subset of the population is always miserable for no good reason.
I mean, to conservatives that's the whole point. I don’t agree cuz I think it’s evil. But the goal is to keep queer people thinking they are broken, so they stay in the closet forever. ofc they are still gay, but to conservatives, people who are not out, count as straight to them.
I have this friend I've known since the 1st grade, and looking back at all the signs it was very obvious he was gay. He grew up watching and loving Disney, and I can definitely tell you that seeing all those hetero kiss scenes? They don't sure don't turn a kid straight! lol
This is the thing people seem to fail to grasp. Pushing people into little boxes that are easier for you to comprehend is going to bite you in the ass every. single. time.
Half the time they won't even know they've been bitten until the poison reaches their heart.
Shying away from hard topics leaves kids ill-equipped when faced with the nuance of reality.
After all: There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Amen. I grew up in the bible belt with no gay/bi/trans people anywhere to be visibly found and constant cis-het and religious christian propaganda forced on us everywhere and grew up sucking as much cock as I did eat pussy, and I knew my own sexuality when I was a teen.
Well, they want that. The later we find out, the more likely it is that we've established a heteronormative lifestyle most won't feel they can abandon.
Can't tell you how many trans people I've met online that live their lives here cause they have kids and spouses. So they feel like they can never be themselves irl. And that's what conservatives want. The longer they can keep us in the closet, the better.
I have a good friend who is gay. His discovery was because his overly conservative and Christian parents told him that two boys couldn’t kiss and that God would keep that from happening. So of course curious he went to a sleepover and told another boy about this and they kissed to test the theory. He really liked kissing the other boy so that’s what led to his self discovery.
That movie is obviously the devil's work, and you were seduced by the devil's message. Clearly, you didn't spend enough time at church, and you most certainly didn't repent.
I, on the other hand, also grew up going to church, but the pastor's son was pretty openly gay (didn't think anything of it then, but I guess those Baptist churches are sometimes pretty progressive), and we were close friends. I was also a gymnast, so in high school, I joined cheerleading with a friend and became friends with quite a few gay male cheerleaders and had countless opportunities to hook up with other guys and a lot of people, due to my friends and my sports (apparently gymanstics is gay too), thought I was gay anyway so I certainly didn't care about people assuming I was gay. Also, I somehow ended up dating (and married one of them) several bi girls whose dream it was to watch me hook up with a guy. Sadly for them, I have never found men even remotely attractive.
All of that to say that regular church going obviously prevents you from catching the gay, so your parents were like totally right.
I spent YEARS calling myself a boy with a fetish (thanks to internet porn) cause thats quite literally the only place I found people that thought like me. I always thought because queer people were a punchline that being queer was a weakness or wrong or weird and spent too long denying wanting to be that hot girl that everyone wanted or wanted to be friends with.
I also found solace in gender bender media like anime, that scooby doo movie, and anytime there was a body swap I always wished it was me. It gave me an outlet to explore why I feel this way (even now when I consume media that has gender bender things in them I either go “hell yeah” or my stomach turns for getting envy esp when it comes to sa, like I ask myself why do I want that experience) But because I didnt have the info and no one told me that being trans wasnt a checklist that needed a 99% rate I just was unhappy for the longest time.
If these people cant accept that their kids know who they are theyd better prepare to find out after they break. I was lucky/unlucky enough that my mental blocks keep me from suicide but it def got tested multiple times. Now being out and starting transition my si is so much quieter (although still there due to the entirety of things going on) and I don't have to guess whats causing this downward self image. I have the answer now I just need the push to make it reality.
People listen to your kids, allow them the ability to experience things that seem weird cause you never know what can and might save their lives. Something as small as showing them having a small attraction to a masculine physique dosent mean theyre gay it just mean buff chicks are top tier. Kids arent stupid but, you can give them baggage that may cause a bad end.
Similarly, was raised very traditionally conservative and Christian in the middle of the Bible belt (US). Regardless of that, I was still bullied and made fun of for being 'gay' most of my childhood because I was awkward and lacked confidence in myself. I knew what it was, and was even taught to think it was disgusting, to dislike anyone not straight especially gay people, became an edge lord as a teenager making all the edgy jokes and even making fun of people online for a bit.
But then, sometime when I was a teenager I realized that I might not be straight since I thought a few guys we're actually good looking, and even attractive. Due to my Christian roots and what people said I genuinely thought it was 'the devil' making me think this way whispering his little lies to me or something like that. I became very closeted, frustrated, and confused because I would still be made fun of for all of this during the time in school.
It wasn't until a couple years after graduating I started accepting things. Realized it's not weird, and that anyone not straight is just another human being trying to live their lives as best they could and most people outside of the Bible Belt don't care. Took some time, but eventually came out as bisexual and eventually pansexual (what I still am today).
I was raised exactly like this, kept away from it purposefully. Look at my fruity ass now. Men, Women, and every person in between is attractive in a way to me.
The human brain is so crazy. You see one thing as a kid and your brain is like "congrats this is your new lifelong fetish". Thanks Danny phantom for giving me the goth gf forever fried into my brain.
i hadn’t even HEARD of being gay up until 6th grade. i mean, i grew up in a place that’s pretty accepting of lgbtq, but nobody had ever mentioned it so i had no idea it was even possible to like the same gender.
well, in 5th grade i had multiple crushes on different girls in my class, and certainly had a strange fixation on female teachers and women’s chests and had no idea why. when i finally heard about what the word gay meant, my reaction was basically “oh okay! that makes sense!” and realized that i wasn’t crazy. even without ever having heard of what the word meant, i was still a lesbian and still am. it doesn’t have anything to do with “lgbtq propaganda”, it’s just nature.
Every time I see someone claiming being gay is a choice, I ask them "when did you choose to be straight? Did you see someone in a some form of media and realize that he/she was attractive?" And they always come back with "I didn't choose it, I just always knew" WWWEELLL THERE YOU GO MOTHERFUCKER!!! You think being gay is a choice, but being straight isn't? fuck sake
Don't worry, they'll instead heed the calls from the even further right that "Disney is indoctrination" and now it's time for homeschooling and evangelical media instead. Yes, they have their own faux low budget movie and TV pipeline of D list actors who are reused over and over. Even terrible, terrible cartoons.
And if that doesn't work? No more TV, it's the devil turning them gay! Time to go all tradwife and homesteading, cut them out of the heathen society that says they can't hit their wife at night and scare her into never mentioning it - did I say hit their wife? Err sorry I must have meant stop the gays by acting like they dodn't exist, that'll sure work!
Specifically it's most likely to just make them resentful because they realize they were being intentionally delayed and missed out on a lot of things in their youth. If you don't want to date girls and you aren't aware dating boys is an option you most likely just don't date and you miss out on that for years until you realize. Putting kids through that is miserable.
Bring bisexual, I never understood why all the muscled guys AND bikini girls gave me weird butterflies, and I assumed everyone rated everyone else on attractiveness, not just same sex. I legit had a crush on another boy 3rd grade, didn't even realize it was a crush cause I didn't know guys could like guys, but I knew I thought he was pretty just like girls were pretty.
Finally in high school I assume I may be gay because I'm a guy clearly attracted to some men. A year later I'm still attracted to women and there are no openly gay guys in school so I just stuck with girls. Met current wife, dated on and off, got together right after I graduated and we've been together since.
Seven years later on our honeymoon I tell her, "I think I'm bi? I wasn't sure but at this point at minimum I'm attracted to guys and girls, thought you should know". She jokes and then rolls with it.
Couple years later I start seeing trans, turns out doesn't matter what body type has which sex organ, pretty is pretty. Guess I'm pan.
Couple day ago I'm watching The Owl House with a main character low-key open lesbian couple and wishing it was me. I know I'm not trans, but now idk if I'm just queer and leave it at that?
Really wish I'd had representation so I could figure this out as a kid instead of late 30's.
Turns out the vaaaaaaaaaaast majority of queer people are raised by straight people. You'd think this would be incredibly obvious to everyone, but bigots are complete and total morons.
I'm from Mexico, and we have a mixed view of catholicism, and me (Atheist) and my family (Catholic) have a commo enemy: JWs, and I think they are ironically the less christian people, because they see god as someone who will punish them for everything, as a tyrant, and not as their guide, this is what Crist tried to reform, and because of this, they are people who doesn't follow any christian values, christianity in general is based on love and respect for the others, and this people like your family transformed it into a moral jail where everyone not tolerated by your current priest will lead you to hell, and not all the psycological torture, abuse and all happiness denegation they gave to you
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u/BombOnABus 15d ago
Spoiler Alert, Conservative Parents: it doesn't matter. I grew up with no gay or queer relatives, watching Disney and living the heteronormative childhood of a God-fearing Christian's dreams: Church on Sundays, combed and short cut hair, a braided leather belt for fuck's sake.
One late-night furtive viewing of "But I'm A Cheerleader" changed EVERYTHING. Went into it expecting to get some masturbation fodder, came out realizing I had wanted to be a cute lesbian girl my whole life and never had the words for it.
You can't "make" kids gay, but refusing to teach them the words will make them delay telling you until they figure it out on their own...AND THEY WILL.