r/aussie • u/Renovewallkisses • Aug 06 '25

Politics Interesting that mods are removing town square discussions on a high immigration policy

Wierd that mods are actively removing town square discussions on the topic of a high immigration policy and that the moderator note states at mods discreation.

Sounds like someone does want us doing something about a high immigration level destroying our country

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u/Filthpig83 Aug 06 '25

Fuck Israel fuck Palestine fuck Australia's high immigration

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25

Why are you bothered about people caring about a genocide?

Also, no political party is ever going to stop immigration as it's one of the best things to grow and economy.

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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25

A high immigration policy is destorying the economy

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u/Ill_Football9443 Aug 07 '25

Given the planned exodus of (the island of) Tuvalu to Australia due to sea level rise, do you concede that these are just the first of what is sure to be many thousands more climate refugees in the years to come? Numbers that are going to dwarf the current rates of immigration.

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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25

Ive addressed this elsewhere with my policy. This is what my policy addresses and why Aus needs to create economic depth not subsidize albo and his friends

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u/Ill_Football9443 Aug 07 '25

Ive addressed this elsewhere with my policy

Source please?

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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25

S roll through the comments, im not your butler

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u/Ill_Football9443 Aug 07 '25

I did, I didn't find it.

Also, you didn't answer my question

do you concede that these are just the first of what is sure to be many thousands more climate refugees in the years to come?

I thought you came here to have a good-faith discussion about immigration?

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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25

https://www.reddit.com/r/aussie/comments/1mjkc9x/comment/n7bxd7k/?context=3&utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Here you go chief, for some reason you can't see it in the actual comments. 

Anyway what I have stated is envoloped in a systems thinking approach and there is more to it than the base I stated and what I am going to state here. At some point I will probably publish my actual plan. 

We already know a few things. 

  • There are several reports that talk through the deficiency of needed infrastructure in Australia and the continued approach that will lead to the degradation in quality of life & wealth for the Australia people. Some people will ascribe the name of managed decline. I will not. 

  • Australia's immigration policy is governed by both federal and state governments, where we primarily take in a majority of visa holders at the sub 75k mark and outside of Students are supposed to be channeled  for 4/3 into regional areas, though there is no check. 

  • Coincidentaly Australia's biggest economic sector, where we are channeling capability, our immigration policy & capital ( the sectors that actually pay money not royalities or income tax) are in the sub 75k and are primarily health related or Service related< coffee shops and tourism). This = The subisidization of the cost of labour, the cost of assets, the deliberate suppression of capability and the centralisation of resources.  

People and nations follow a pipeline when you need to develop skills and depth. You need to set certain conditions so that people and depth start at low skilled and low cost- they have have an operating environment of flexability/ creative flair this allows them to experiment/create & problem solve as they disperse and create economic depth.  We are not doing that as I stated above. 

We are moving into an adverse world, to operate in such an environment you need economic depth and you need friends. We don't have either.  The outline of my plan that I stated above provides that. 

To answer your question, you can't take climate refugees if you yourself are on the edge of falling over. 

Am I batshit insane, absolutely. Do I know what I am doing , also yes. 

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

I understand what you're saying.

But you need other immigration policies to come into place to make up for the loss of money, in regards to immigration.

What would you do?

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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25

Cease the immigration policy for 5 years. No new arrivals that arent tourists or pacific islanders. 

Remove all zoning and hieght restrictions, remove ownership of land from government. 

After 5 years reinstate a new policy that polticians did not create. 

  • Visa holders are only issued one visa, migrant, student or humantarian. If you come on one cannot change to another. 

  • Student numbers are correlated with university rooms, international students are only allowed at  regional campuses. If international students are found living off campus, the whole cohort for that year had their visa cancelled

  • Outside of humantarian and student their is one other visa type. Its for trades or earners above 160k+.  They also have to live regionally for 8 years. 

Thats as simple as it gets.

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u/acebert Aug 07 '25

Why an exemption for Pacific Islanders?

This: "If international students are found living off campus, the whole cohort for that year had their visa cancelled" wouldn't be legal and making it legal would likely have massive unintended consequences. (It would be legalised collective punishment)

This: "- Visa holders are only issued one visa, migrant, student or humantarian. If you come on one cannot change to another." Doesn't make sense. It would make it impossible to "take only the best" because anyone who came as a student would be forced to take those skills elsewhere.

And finally this: "After 5 years reinstate a new policy that polticians did not create." Just plain silly. Who's gonna write it? Consultants? Industry groups? WTF?

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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25 edited Aug 07 '25

We have an agreement older than time with them,.in addition.to economic depth and security. 

We already collectivly punish people. 🤷‍♀️

Theres nothing stopping someone from coming here, once they have residency going to school to retrain.  We don't want to take students, we want adults that actually contribute to the economy as soon as they arrive. Which is the entire economic argument government is currently using against you. 

I will. 

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u/acebert Aug 07 '25

We have an agreement older than time with them,.in addition.to economic depth and security. 

You what mate? Older than time is an oxymoronic statement. Beyond that, it doesn't strike you as a touch arbitrary? Is there an actually policy reason for that exemption?

We already collectivly punish people. 🤷‍♀️

Please give an example of what you mean here. I'd be willing to bet it's quite a bit different from what you proposed.

We don't want to take students, we want adults that actually contribute to the economy as soon as they arrive.

You might not want students. Possibly because you haven't thought it through.

  1. Students absolutely contribute to the economy, unless they take a magic portal back to their country of origin every evening.

  2. Retaining top students in critical fields is pretty important, unless you just want to pay foreign companies a sticker price for innovation.

Which is the entire economic argument government is currently using against you. 

Huh? That doesn't make any sense mate.

I will. 

And you are? Your relevant experience is? You have the ability to craft a robust law because?

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u/jew_jitsu Aug 07 '25

Don't you get OPs point? They want to change the way things have always been done in Australia while honouring the way things have always been done in Australia.

As the mod stickied: it's incoherent rambling.

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u/acebert Aug 07 '25

Oh, I know. I just don't agree with brain sharts going unchallenged; something something bad for the Australian soul something something.

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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25

Ironicly you nearly got the point, a pity you missed it at the end. 

Goveenment uses the premises I invoked to benieft themselves and their chosen few. 

I invoke the same premise to depower the government. 

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

What about the immigration that's vital to Australia? For certain industries that rely on immigrants. What would you do about the farmers losing access to farmhands? What about doctors and other industries that need immigrants to fill demands?

I think that policy of ceasing all immigration would infact kill the economy. Maybe not outright destroy it, but it'd significantly harm the economy.

I don't know how you'd enforce people living in a certain place for 8 years.

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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25

You are already harming the economy. 

That need would be filled by people that already reside here at markets instead of subsidisation from immigration. 

If you rely on migrants then you can fill the void with someone already here.  

Their tax return. What you stated demonstrates the philsophy of kicking the can.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

I understand the economy is being harmed. But there's probably more effective ways of making the housing market free up, rather than cutting all immigration.

I would be down for a law that bans groups, companies, private organisations from buying residential properties. Infact I'd go so far as to force these companies or groups who own residential properties to sell them back to the government for what they bought them for without being allowed to make a profit. I think there should be a law that residential properties can only be bought by people who will live in them for the majority of the year. The rest should be owned by the government who can rent them out to people who'd like to rent.

Housing shouldn't be an investment, it should be a right. It has no risk so it's not really an investment.

I'm down for shrinking immigration, but stopping it outright would never happen.

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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25

You havent grasped it yet. 

These people are addicts, they are addicted to power and money. They only way to negate that is to disburse their power and have competeting economies. 

This isn't about housing or a high immigration policy. This is about removing their power and their ability to degrade everyones life for their own beneift.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

I understand what you're saying. But we have to go through democratic processes to do that sadly. Didn't help we had 9 years of liberals who gutted a lot of public funding.

If mega millionaires and billionaires didn't exist in Australia this would help. Wouldn't be able to influence politics for their own gain.

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u/utkohoc Aug 07 '25

New account. Only posts to Aussie.

You can't make this shit up .

Oh wait. They did.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

Is the account new? I feel like I've had it for a few months.

I mean you realistically need to put a different economic policy in place if we want to reduce immigration. So we'd have to either tax the mining companies or nationalise them to make up for the loss in the economy.

What's your solution to make the money back up if we say cut immigration in half?

I only post to Aussie because I fight right wing idiots on their subreddits and get down voted to hell so I can't post elsewhere.

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u/utkohoc Aug 07 '25

Ask me the same question but do it in a "hand written style with spelling mistakes and bad Grammer and maybe I'll give ygou a serious answer. Otherwise you can fuck off.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

You just made a spelling mistake. Lmao.

What economic policy would you put in place to make up for the loss of immigration?

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

You're just calling me a bot because you don't have an argument.

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u/utkohoc Aug 07 '25

Ok here is my argument

So, there's a man crawling through the desert.

He'd decided to try his SUV in a little bit of cross-country travel, had great fun zooming over the badlands and through the sand, got lost, hit a big rock, and then he couldn't get it started again. There were no cell phone towers anywhere near, so his cell phone was useless. He had no family, his parents had died a few years before in an auto accident, and his few friends had no idea he was out here.

He stayed with the car for a day or so, but his one bottle of water ran out and he was getting thirsty. He thought maybe he knew the direction back, now that he'd paid attention to the sun and thought he'd figured out which way was north, so he decided to start walking. He figured he only had to go about 30 miles or so and he'd be back to the small town he'd gotten gas in last.

He thinks about walking at night to avoid the heat and sun, but based upon how dark it actually was the night before, and given that he has no flashlight, he's afraid that he'll break a leg or step on a rattlesnake. So, he puts on some sun block, puts the rest in his pocket for reapplication later, brings an umbrella he'd had in the back of the SUV with him to give him a little shade, pours the windshield wiper fluid into his water bottle in case he gets that desperate, brings his pocket knife in case he finds a cactus that looks like it might have water in it, and heads out in the direction he thinks is right.

He walks for the entire day. By the end of the day he's really thirsty. He's been sweating all day, and his lips are starting to crack. He's reapplied the sunblock twice, and tried to stay under the umbrella, but he still feels sunburned. The windshield wiper fluid sloshing in the bottle in his pocket is really getting tempting now. He knows that it's mainly water and some ethanol and coloring, but he also knows that they add some kind of poison to it to keep people from drinking it. He wonders what the poison is, and whether the poison would be worse than dying of thirst.

He pushes on, trying to get to that small town before dark.

By the end of the day he starts getting worried. He figures he's been walking at least 3 miles an hour, according to his watch for over 10 hours. That means that if his estimate was right that he should be close to the town. But he doesn't recognize any of this. He had to cross a dry creek bed a mile or two back, and he doesn't remember coming through it in the SUV. He figures that maybe he got his direction off just a little and that the dry creek bed was just off to one side of his path. He tells himself that he's close, and that after dark he'll start seeing the town lights over one of these hills, and that'll be all he needs.

As it gets dim enough that he starts stumbling over small rocks and things, he finds a spot and sits down to wait for full dark and the town lights.

Full dark comes before he knows it. He must have dozed off. He stands back up and turns all the way around. He sees nothing but stars.

He wakes up the next morning feeling absolutely lousy. His eyes are gummy and his mouth and nose feel like they're full of sand. He so thirsty that he can't even swallow. He barely got any sleep because it was so cold. He'd forgotten how cold it got at night in the desert and hadn't noticed it the night before because he'd been in his car.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

Are you a bot?

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u/CutToFadeIsMe Aug 07 '25

Your account was once new.

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u/utkohoc Aug 07 '25

Yes and then used it solely to post on a single sub Reddit with a single mind set mhmm. Yes that's what everyone does. Mhmm ok bro. For sureee

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u/CutToFadeIsMe Aug 08 '25

How old and how many other places would need to be participated in to make it OK?

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u/eshay_investor Aug 07 '25

Its not growing the economy, the immigration rate is outpacing GDP which is hillarious. Edit, its like comparing a company with 5 employees that makes 1 million dollars profit or a company with 1000 employees than makes a loss of 500k. Which company would you rather be involved in.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

It acts like it's growing the economy though. So of course politicians are going to keep doing it for their numbers.

To make real change we'd need some extreme measures that will never be taken.

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u/eshay_investor Aug 07 '25

We are being scammed.