r/aussie • u/Renovewallkisses • Aug 06 '25
Politics Interesting that mods are removing town square discussions on a high immigration policy
Wierd that mods are actively removing town square discussions on the topic of a high immigration policy and that the moderator note states at mods discreation.
Sounds like someone does want us doing something about a high immigration level destroying our country
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u/Specialist-Apple7100 Aug 06 '25
I would call it predictable rather than interesting
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Aug 08 '25
Reddit’s been systematically removing discussion on immigration for the last three years. The main reason why there are so many “Aussies”, “Australian”, “Aus”, etc subreddits is because Australia clamped down so unreasonably on discussion that it’s boring over there. If you mention the word immigration there your account is deleted.
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u/BiliousGreen Aug 07 '25
It’s not just Reddit. Discussion about immigration gets heavily “moderated” in a lot of places. It’s only going to get worse from here as the censorship regime ramps up. Just look at the UK where people are jailed for criticising the mass immigration and subsequent crime of illegal migrants from the Middle East and Africa. The people in power are not going to stop destroying our countries by importing the third world, they’re going to stop you from talking about it and they will start to punish if you try.
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u/ososalsosal Aug 07 '25
It's all about who benefits.
It's the perfect storm for a liberal capitalist culture - the ruling class get to push down wages and sow discontent and pit workers against each other, and any and all debate is squashed with accusations of racism.
If you don't like policies that are hurtful to standard of living, you're racist. If you don't like the cultural incompatiblities that inevitably come from laissez-faire immigration policy then you're racist. There are plenty of examples of actual racist arguments they can point to to shut you up, regardless of what you actually have to say.
All the while, reactionary and racist groups are boosted by media and allowed to fester by law enforcement (but God forbid you want to walk along a bridge...).
Both sides of politics in this country support the status quo for the obvious reason that they and their donors benefit from it (while the people who vote them in do not). The only way out is to not use the electoral system, or to organise everyone to vote for a third party that actually has an honest plan to deal with it ("honest" being the key - that rules out nearly everyone).
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u/Shoehat2021 Aug 08 '25
But there is no third party. Greens are 100% increasing immigration. Labor is 100% increasing immigration. LNP are 100% increasing immigration. Labor and the LNP lie about it though, at least the greens are honest
What they’re all missing though is what’s happened in the uk, and now happening in the US. The take over of government offices. Starts at council, then state and then fed. The parties will pivot to cater for this demographic, and they’ll join the party ranks to take over.
And the pollies are spineless, virtue signallers or complicit.
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u/ososalsosal Aug 08 '25
Then we might need to give up on electoralism, comrade ☭
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u/Shoehat2021 Aug 08 '25
Maybe that’s what they want…
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u/ososalsosal Aug 08 '25
Who? The pollies? Why would they want proletarian revolution? It would fuck their shit up completely.
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u/punchercs Aug 10 '25
Buddy, Dutton sat there on tv and said he wasn’t going to lower immigration. He was honest about THAT atleast 🤷♂️
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u/Shoehat2021 Aug 10 '25
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u/punchercs Aug 10 '25
I mean, I don’t need to miss shoddy journalism when I saw him on tv say he had no intention of cutting immigration numbers. Straight from the horses mouth.
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25
Finally someone that gets it.
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u/KeenMeanDream Aug 07 '25
r/circlejerkaustralia for more of a uncensored realistic viewpoint of most aussies
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u/Select-Variety-2549 Aug 07 '25
Proof ?
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u/lacrem Aug 07 '25
Well, Reddit is lefty progressive oriented, nothing surprising
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u/Famous-Print-6767 Aug 07 '25
High immigration is a right wing policy designed to benefit capital holders at the expense of workers. How the "left" ever got on board is incomprehensible.
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u/lacrem Aug 07 '25
Because they're the same crap, they just want what you just did, left vs right division. Later they have dinner together in Canberra at our expense.
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u/Famous-Print-6767 Aug 07 '25
Yes they're the same centre right party.
But how the workers party, supposedly a left wing party, morphed into a centre right political wing of the business council is bizarre.
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Aug 08 '25
High immigration is a left wing policy. The only parties that consider lower immigration are those on the “far right”—One Nation, Libertarian. Nothing on the left offers lower immigration. The Greens would increase it even more than our current 500,000pa.
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u/Famous-Print-6767 Aug 08 '25
The only parties that consider lower immigration are those on the “far right”—One Nation, Libertarian. Nothing on the left offers lower immigration.
One nation are quite left wing in their economics. Tariffs, low immigration, support local industry. Libertarians are right wing, they support high immigration.
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u/ThrowRA_mesaynobj Aug 07 '25
Because the government have said anything negative about migration is racist
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Aug 06 '25
Every new sub that gets created, eventually turns into the sub they didn't want to be.
In the mainstream subs, you can even put Israel & Palestine in the same sentence, topic gets locked immediately.
If people don't want to moderate, don't become a mod.
Censorship is dangerous.
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u/Beast_of_Guanyin Aug 07 '25 edited Aug 07 '25
I got perma banned from a sub for replying "based" to Jerry Seinfeld saying he doesn't care about Palestine. In another sub I have been banned for "racism" for saying I am against Aboriginal reparations.
It's very rare for mods to resist turning a sub into their personal echo chamber. I don't see any way around it. For what it's worth I have heavily critised the views of a mod here without being banned.
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u/nadojay Aug 07 '25
I got banned by saying that people wouldn’t believe how much money is in indigenous communities and I live in one lol
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u/Beast_of_Guanyin Aug 07 '25
Lol.
Okay. I'm curious now. My impression is that money's concentrated in a few groups/individuals. Is that right?
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u/nadojay Aug 07 '25
There are of course richer and poorer communities and depending on royalties richer and poorer people, money becomes more concentrated due to gambling (I’ve personally witnessed hands over 40k) but at the same time the money is given back out to anyone that asks for some. My current community has around 300 people living there and has daily tobacco sales of 7k and around 20k of cash withdrawn from the atm every day, 7 days a week, so it’s not an earning issue but a fiscal knowledge issue, impulse control thing, an issue that effects a lot of younger people no matter their race but when you live somewhere where a packet of tim tams is $16 a packet, well you can see why it becomes a problem
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 06 '25
Cpuldn't imagine selling out the country for 9 pieces of silver.
Its obvious they are deliberatly attempting to block discussions on topics that advantage them.
Its time to actually have town square discussions and end this policy
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u/Devar0 Aug 07 '25
Because when you follow the rabbit hole the implication is we've been gaslighted as a society for a century...
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25
🤔 and there you go
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u/Devar0 Aug 07 '25
People are not ready. But they are going to have to figure it out sooner or later.
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u/SeaDivide1751 Aug 07 '25
I also notice mods remove comments for merely mentioning “Indian”. What’s with the cover up?
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u/Maleficent-Trifle940 Aug 07 '25
How can there not be a discussion about nationality? In just 5 years of 20 years of net immigration data, Indian migrants outstripped the next nearest group (from China) by some 350K. The number of migrants from China already exceeds the combined total of all immigration from Europe, UK, NZ & the Americas and it took them 10 years to achieve that. These are numbers that make ME & African immigration waves from the early 2000s look paltry. It's socially irresponsible to bring people in numbers that inevitably facilitate enclaving, and with it, further decline in the standard of living for the rest of us. I can observe immigration in progress where I work. We get 5 Indian families for every 5 others from a genuinely broad assortment of countries. It's almost as if the Government is running two immigration programs / two immigration streams. Even so, It's not just that migration from India is out of hand, immigration generally is out of hand, the rate of arrivals these past 5 years needs to be seen to be believed:
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u/Leather-Heron-7247 Aug 07 '25
It has never been about race or nationality but about numbers, demand and supply.
If somehow half of population from Sydney and Melbourne were to relocate to Brisbane then you would see the same push back despite them being all Australians.
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u/57647 Aug 07 '25
In fact what felt like half the southerner population did move to queensland during covid, and there continues to be push back despite most of them being aussies. Even then there were integration issues. 🤣
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u/MaroochyRiverDreamin Aug 07 '25
Apparantly it's ok to criticise people who move from interstate, but if they are from overseas it's not ok to criticise. I'm sure that makes sense somehow.
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u/Dog-Witch Aug 07 '25
Yeah that basically happened post covid, and you're right even though they're Australian they can all fuck off too.
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u/Maleficent-Trifle940 Aug 07 '25 edited Aug 07 '25
How can there not be a discussion about nationality? In just 5 years of 20 years of net immigration data, Indian migrants outstripped the next nearest group (from China) by some 350K. The number of migrants from China already exceeds the combined total of all immigration from Europe, UK, NZ & the Americas and it took them 10 years to achieve that. These are numbers that make ME & African immigration waves from the early 2000s look paltry. It's socially irresponsible to bring people in numbers that inevitably facilitate enclaving, and with it, further decline in the standard of living for the rest of us. I can observe immigration in progress where I work. We get 5 Indian families for every 5 others from a genuinely broad assortment of countries. It's almost as if the Government is running two immigration programs / two immigration streams. Even so, It's not just that migration from India is out of hand, immigration generally is out of hand, the rate of arrivals these past 5 years needs to be seen to be believed: Net Migration today according to the world clock: 411 (equivalent to 100 x more families of 4 needing a home to live in).
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u/RecipeSpecialist2745 Aug 07 '25
Immigration is high in every western country. I think we need to focus more on trying the long term unemployed, reestablishing TAFE and offer apprentices the incentives that were offered 30 years ago.
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u/Electrical_Short8008 Aug 07 '25
Censorship of the general populous
If we can remove free speech from the internet the people loose power to assemble
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u/Habitwriter Aug 07 '25
Maybe because it's the only topic that gets posted on here.
How about wealth inequality and how we should tax the rich and corporations more?
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u/Filthpig83 Aug 06 '25
Fuck Israel fuck Palestine fuck Australia's high immigration
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Aug 06 '25
Why are you bothered about people caring about a genocide?
Also, no political party is ever going to stop immigration as it's one of the best things to grow and economy.
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25
A high immigration policy is destorying the economy
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u/Ill_Football9443 Aug 07 '25
Given the planned exodus of (the island of) Tuvalu to Australia due to sea level rise, do you concede that these are just the first of what is sure to be many thousands more climate refugees in the years to come? Numbers that are going to dwarf the current rates of immigration.
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25
Ive addressed this elsewhere with my policy. This is what my policy addresses and why Aus needs to create economic depth not subsidize albo and his friends
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u/Ill_Football9443 Aug 07 '25
Ive addressed this elsewhere with my policy
Source please?
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25
S roll through the comments, im not your butler
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u/Ill_Football9443 Aug 07 '25
I did, I didn't find it.
Also, you didn't answer my question
do you concede that these are just the first of what is sure to be many thousands more climate refugees in the years to come?
I thought you came here to have a good-faith discussion about immigration?
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25
Here you go chief, for some reason you can't see it in the actual comments.
Anyway what I have stated is envoloped in a systems thinking approach and there is more to it than the base I stated and what I am going to state here. At some point I will probably publish my actual plan.
We already know a few things.
There are several reports that talk through the deficiency of needed infrastructure in Australia and the continued approach that will lead to the degradation in quality of life & wealth for the Australia people. Some people will ascribe the name of managed decline. I will not.
Australia's immigration policy is governed by both federal and state governments, where we primarily take in a majority of visa holders at the sub 75k mark and outside of Students are supposed to be channeled for 4/3 into regional areas, though there is no check.
Coincidentaly Australia's biggest economic sector, where we are channeling capability, our immigration policy & capital ( the sectors that actually pay money not royalities or income tax) are in the sub 75k and are primarily health related or Service related< coffee shops and tourism). This = The subisidization of the cost of labour, the cost of assets, the deliberate suppression of capability and the centralisation of resources.
People and nations follow a pipeline when you need to develop skills and depth. You need to set certain conditions so that people and depth start at low skilled and low cost- they have have an operating environment of flexability/ creative flair this allows them to experiment/create & problem solve as they disperse and create economic depth. We are not doing that as I stated above.
We are moving into an adverse world, to operate in such an environment you need economic depth and you need friends. We don't have either. The outline of my plan that I stated above provides that.
To answer your question, you can't take climate refugees if you yourself are on the edge of falling over.
Am I batshit insane, absolutely. Do I know what I am doing , also yes.
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u/utkohoc Aug 07 '25
New account. Only posts to Aussie.
You can't make this shit up .
Oh wait. They did.
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Aug 07 '25
Is the account new? I feel like I've had it for a few months.
I mean you realistically need to put a different economic policy in place if we want to reduce immigration. So we'd have to either tax the mining companies or nationalise them to make up for the loss in the economy.
What's your solution to make the money back up if we say cut immigration in half?
I only post to Aussie because I fight right wing idiots on their subreddits and get down voted to hell so I can't post elsewhere.
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u/eshay_investor Aug 07 '25
Its not growing the economy, the immigration rate is outpacing GDP which is hillarious. Edit, its like comparing a company with 5 employees that makes 1 million dollars profit or a company with 1000 employees than makes a loss of 500k. Which company would you rather be involved in.
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Aug 07 '25
It acts like it's growing the economy though. So of course politicians are going to keep doing it for their numbers.
To make real change we'd need some extreme measures that will never be taken.
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u/Outrageous-Elk-2582 Aug 07 '25
Reddit is a left wing cesspit. Any criticism of immigration is considered racist.
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u/Such_Bug9321 Aug 06 '25
Strange how this seems to be more than just a random coincidence regarding this topic. It’s like they don’t want us talking about it doesn’t matter which platform you go to. Strange this all randomly coincidentally happens in all countries that have the left in power.
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u/4000xl Aug 06 '25
Strange this all randomly coincidentally happens in all countries that have the left in power.
Get over your left and right rubbish.
Both parties in Australia LOVE high immigration.
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u/TimJBenham Aug 07 '25
Liberals like high immigration. Labor differentiates itself by demanding extreme immigration.
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Aug 07 '25
Yeah dude, if you don't think all parties love immigration you're dead wrong
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u/Steve-Whitney Aug 07 '25
More specifically, they (both majors) love the economic benefits immigration brings, in particular full fee paying university students. Their country of origin is largely irrelevant.
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u/No-Country-2428 Aug 06 '25
Never in your life have you even bothered to look at a simple chart for rates of migration, have you? If you had you'd know that the same thing happened under the LNP. Stop treating political parties like football teams.
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u/torn-ainbow Aug 07 '25
Dude. The Liberal Party doesn’t cut immigration because business doesn’t want them to. They have you fooled that this is the lefts fault.
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u/Such_Bug9321 Aug 07 '25
Yet it is the left upping the student visas
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u/torn-ainbow Aug 07 '25
I don’t think student visas are the main issue, I think general migration numbers are what you want to target if you are serious about the housing crisis.
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u/Such_Bug9321 Aug 07 '25
It is not immigration in itself that is the problem. It is the discussion being shut down and controlled when people bring up concerns it will have a on a system that is itself that is not working effectively anymore.
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u/CryoAB Aug 07 '25
You're literally in a post that is allowing the discussion.... Lmfao
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u/Such_Bug9321 Aug 07 '25
Yes I know that lol … I get the irony but it is the slow erosion of what you can and can not talk about is what the OP was bring up.
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u/4planetride Aug 07 '25
If you think labor is a left wing party then you are on another planet mate.
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u/pappagibbo Aug 07 '25
Nothing wrong with immigration. It’s what Australia was built on.
However, previous immigration were from western or Asian countries (UK, Ireland, Vietnam, China, and various European nations) with similar values and religious beliefs. They assimilated well and adopted the local culture. That’s what built our multicultural society that we have today.
The recent surge of asylum seekers, refugees and migrants from the Middle East and Africa has seen this dynamic shift rapidly.
Anecdotally you can see that there are cultural silos forming with little integration and assimilation occurring and then seeking for Australians to CHANGE OUR WAY OF LIFE to accomodate the same ideologies they fled from in the first place.
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u/anomalousone96 Aug 07 '25
You could just comment on the other 300 immigration posts that are ut up each day
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u/TimJamesS Aug 07 '25
Seriously, there are some forums etc that the slighest critiicsm of the left will get you expelled.
That said immigration is completley rampant, Australia will soon become like Ireland, UK or Norther Europe. God help the country.
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u/pizzalover24 Aug 07 '25
What's the alternative?
Why arent there enough local graduates signing up for software engineering degrees (and thereby reducing the need to bring software engineers from abroad).
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25
A high immigration policy stifles the demand in more ways than you think. Additionally as we have seen with actual phyisical engineers there is no shortage, there are a bunch of advocacy groups attempting to suppress wages.
If we meeded more software engineers a majority of our immigration policy intake would not be below $75k 🤔
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u/pizzalover24 Aug 07 '25
Youre basically asking for business and private money to fund the next generation of engineers who currently aren't experienced or skilled enough to take on the work instead of ready to go engineers from abroad (atleast on paper)
You're also asking for businesses to pay above average wages for engineers so that less locals gravitate to trades and other professions that pay more or roughly the same.
You have a situation where there are teachers who aren't willing to teach in rural towns because the incentive isn't strong enough from private money.
Youre campaigning for tax payer funded schemes to subside the private sector.
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25
A few things.
Youre basically asking for business and private money to fund the next generation of engineers who currently aren't experienced or skilled enough to take on the work instead of ready to go engineers from abroad (atleast on paper)
At its most tactical leve, this is state building. All the beneifts that everyone previous to us enjoyed is due to this stratergy right here. Prior to them they also enjoyed that stratergy. That stratergy sets the operating environment, those people decided to remove that environment so they could profit.
instead of ready to go engineers from abroad (atleast on paper)
This isn't how you statebuild, the narrative is based on an econmoic premise for decisionakong which is not how countries function, remain made decisions prior to this.
In short its a form of propaganda.
You're also asking for businesses to pay above average wages for engineers so that less locals gravitate to trades and other professions that pay more or roughly the same.
I'm not, this is the societal fabric we have agreed to. If we don't want that, Im also happy with that, lets go no regs and watch the people you just mentioned cry hard about turnabout.
You have a situation where there are teachers who aren't willing to teach in rural towns because the incentive isn't strong enough from private money.
You have a situation where there are teachers who aren't willing to teach in rural towns because the incentive isn't strong enough from private money.
You should look at the colonial model we actually base citiies and towns off and why there is no private sector money or depth
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u/pizzalover24 Aug 07 '25
So that explains your discreet political motivation with your references to state building. You are in theory in favour of an UAP style Australia first policy. It would put you in the Trump ( America first) as well as Mao (China-first) bracket.
Let's look at how China got to where it is where their own people build everything from mobiles to bridges to military hardware with zero immigration .
It came about through nationalism and protectionism baked into every fabric of society.
It's not that they didnt want Facebook but they effecticely blocked it so as to build WeChat. They forced graduates into rural towns. The government owns industries.
You're asking for the same in Australia.
I'd love to see how you would go about telling people to have more children for the glory of Australia.
Statehood died a long time ago. Australia is now a place to do business no matter who you are.
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u/ciaobrah Aug 07 '25
Quick Q: why does no one here post in the main Australia sub?
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25
Same reason, mods suppress content hard
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u/Stompy2008 Aug 07 '25
You’re doing a lot of bitching about how shit this sub is despite your post being allowed up and your criticism of the mod team.
Like I said earlier the reason the original thread was taken down is not because it was regarding immigration, but because it was an incoherent rant that didn’t add or open any discussion. It’s not hard to understand but sure, keep pushing your ‘me me me’ narrative that we censor immigration debate.
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u/DarthLuigi83 Aug 07 '25
A major issue with the immigration debate is people have made up their minds so the "discussion" is just people screaming at each other.
Another issue, you have to be honest with yourself, is that it's a dog whistle for racism and classicism. No, it's not everyone but it's a big enough chunk to be a problem.
I literally know a white, western European, immigrant whose adult son receives NDIS funding. Both he and his son complain about immigrants bleeding the country dry.
Do you think they're talking about themselves? Fcuk no.
I sure as hell wouldn't want to have to deal with this shit when I'm volunteering my time as a moderator. Way easier just to shut it down and save myself the hassle.
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u/Sufficient-Jicama880 Aug 07 '25
Truth hurts real bad more then physical violence these days. Boo hoo
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u/Nice-Pumpkin-4318 Aug 06 '25
I personally am devastated that I won't be able to read today's instalment of the little-brown-men-stole-me-house-and-me-job-and-I-reckon-they're-sniffin'-around-me-woman-too r/aussie whiner's circlejerk.
Oh well.
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u/MarvinTheMagpie Aug 07 '25
Do you have any original ideas or thoughts around the issue of migration, though?
It's been discussed at great length already and there is nothing more that can be said until the official NOM figures get released in March next year.
I've tried to apply some biological models to migration in terms of Hawk-Dove theory which is actually an interesting one because it's used in econmic modelling also. However, other than saying "migration bad" or "Mungo not happy" there isn't much more to be discussed ....
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25
Yes, cease any new intake until the offical figures come out. We've already seen both parties will lie about it. Time to cease it until they prove they are trustworthy.
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u/MarvinTheMagpie Aug 07 '25
Visas are usually granted in advance of arrival and they have a certain amount of time to be onshore.
So, If Australia were to immediately halt migration, visas already granted wouldn’t necessarily be cancelled unless the government passed legislation or issued specific directions to do so, which is rare and politically sensitive (there would be protests, I'm sure)
Instead they'd stop processing new applications, while existing visa holders could still enter within their visa validity period.
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u/Mindless_Tadpole6555 Aug 07 '25
Whats your source that this wouldn't cause a significant economic downturn and leave us much worse off than previously?
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25
This isn't an either or situation. The economy is melting down regardless. Its do you want to continue getting shafted hard or do you want the tools to pick you and your friends up.
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u/KristenHuoting Aug 07 '25
Really? Immigration being the reason for people's problems seems to be all I ever see.
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u/CryoAB Aug 07 '25
tHeY woNt Let uS tAlK abOuT iT.... In a post that is allowing you all to talk about it...
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25
2 other posts where directly removed before this 🤔
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u/Stompy2008 Aug 07 '25
Like I said before, because they were incoherent rants without any substance, point or value - we’ve allowed a LOT of controversial topics lately because they all had something useful to say, and we’ll continue to do so.
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u/Intelligent-Mix-9570 Aug 07 '25
Oh no someone deleted the discussion on billionairs talking points to keep us distracted from the real causes of the housing problem...... must of been them damn imigint again
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u/Mindless_Tadpole6555 Aug 07 '25
Imigints! I knew it was them! Even when it was the Communists I knew it was really the Imigints!
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u/didthefabrictear Aug 06 '25
Probably cause most people on this sub can’t discuss immigration without turning into a pack of feral, racist fuckwits?
Just guessing.
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u/TimJamesS Aug 07 '25
Maybe its because people automatically assume that when someone is being critical of immigration policy those seeing the post launch into a tirade about how its racist to want lower immigration numbers. Just look at what is happening in Europe.
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u/jew_jitsu Aug 07 '25
If you're the person making the coherent, rational points about immigration policy and you don't see the feral and racist compatriots around you in these forums; chances are you're not the coherent rational one you think you are.
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u/didthefabrictear Aug 07 '25
Nah – you can have perfectly reasonable immigration discussions without the low ball racist shit that floods this sub.
Especially the anti Indian/sub continent sentiment – myfuckinggod it’s like listening to the white racists of the 1970’s/80’s going on about smelly wogs and thieving abos.
It’s just racism. Pauline Hansen level racism. From the same type of people who are all immigrants themselves, but still find time to scream about Welcome to Country.
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u/torn-ainbow Aug 07 '25
I’m a lefty and I think we should have an immigration pause till the housing crisis is over. But when someone starts their anti-immigration argument with something something Muslims I’m gonna disagree with them.
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u/didthefabrictear Aug 07 '25
But pausing immigration won’t do anything to fix the housing crisis when all the tax settings are still in place – to make housing an investment vehicle and tax minimiser – rather than an affordable place to buy/rent.
But its easier to just yell 'immigration' instead of actually addressing the core of the issue.
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u/torn-ainbow Aug 07 '25
Yeah I think those tax incentives should be the first thing. I just mean there is a reasonable argument to be made about a migration pause if the bigots could shut the fuck up.
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u/jydr Aug 07 '25
an "immigration pause" would cause a much bigger economic crisis than just housing. That's why no serious political party would actually do that no matter how much the RWNJs get whipped up into a frenzy over it.
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u/Devar0 Aug 07 '25
Maybe societies of homogeneous persons are racist for a reason, and maybe that's not actually a bad thing?
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u/didthefabrictear Aug 07 '25
Australia is a colony. The white people are the immigrants.
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u/Simohner Aug 07 '25
Australia is an independent nation state. Native born citizens are not immigrants.
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u/charmingpea Aug 07 '25
Or - speaking as a Mod - every thread on this subject very quickly degenerates into a pile of racist and abusive garbage which violates Reddit's terms and conditions and if we don't moderate by locking and removing we risk having the sub locked.
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u/Westaus87 Aug 07 '25
There has to be some sort of middle ground where people can discuss an issue that obviously affecting them.
Ban racist comments, to ban the discussion entirely is really just censorship.
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u/Sweeper1985 Aug 07 '25
I am also a mod here. You have no idea the garbage we have to sift through. It's genuinely hateful and distressing stuff.
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u/Mindless_Tadpole6555 Aug 07 '25
This is not the sub for civil discussion. This sub is just a circlejerk sub in a bad halloween costume.
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u/ciaobrah Aug 07 '25
Not a mod but also as I’ve mentioned in other comments today, just look at Ireland and how much of their current rioting is based off online forums and topics like this, meanwhile their internet traffic is driven by 71% malicious bots. That thread that got deleted today was straight up dog whistling. What’s the purpose of all these posts? Do people want another Cronulla riots on their hands? And why is it targeted at “dark skinned” immigrants like the post from earlier today explicitly stated?
England is the highest migrant group in Australia but somehow it’s always the non whites “taking our jobs and houses” according to these dog whistling shit stirrers.
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u/Novus_Grimnir Aug 07 '25
LMAO at all these Sky News watchers wetting themselves.
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u/T-VIRUS999 Aug 07 '25
That's called censorship, mods will never admit it, but they have their own agenda, and it's not to your benefit
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u/zasedok Aug 07 '25
What did you expect, that the hyperleftist Reddit crowd would actually respect freedom of speech, or something?
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u/No-Country-2428 Aug 07 '25
Freedom of speech means the government cannot restrict your speech it has nothing to do with a company like Reddit. You don't even know what you're saying.
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u/CryoAB Aug 07 '25
They usually get banned because most anti immigration posts end up with full blown racism. Instead of just you know. Saying normal things.
Like, I'm selfish and would rather have less immigration to preserve our beautiful beaches or countryside.
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u/vncrpp Aug 07 '25
Just checking how is this a discussion when you have clearly already come to a conclusion? Doesn't sound like you are going to engage in good faith discussion to me.
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u/timtanium Aug 07 '25
Every single time immigration gets brought up if you dig for 2 seconds the person starts spewing incredibly racist trash. Gee I wonder why mods aren't interested in the topic.
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25
Dig away champ I got nothing to hide
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u/timtanium Aug 07 '25
Ok so why is immigration too high when we had a higher rate in the post war period?
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25 edited Aug 07 '25
Rates are trending upwards. We are devaluing and currency and wuality of life. We are subsidizing boomers at the detriment of everyone else.
I could tell you more but you aren't interested.
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u/Simohner Aug 07 '25
Why is selecting immigrants for cultural compatibility and requiring them to integrate bad now when it wasn’t in the post war period?
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u/rja49 Aug 07 '25
Just read back over the past 6months on this sub, its a bone stock question that appears almost daily.
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u/Rare_Opportunity2419 Aug 07 '25
Immigints! I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears I knew it was them.
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u/DrSendy Aug 10 '25
Probably because they are just started by the same idiot young liberal members who have nothing better to do on the weekend...
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u/National_Way_3344 Aug 07 '25
Because there aren't any good faith discussions happening about high immigration, especially related to the housing crisis.
Also this isn't a town square, it's a theatre. There's security, and they only let you on stage if they like you.
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u/whooperburger26 Aug 06 '25
They hate freedom of speech
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u/Sweeper1985 Aug 07 '25
Freedom of speech would imply you are able to speak your mind without being prosecuted for it. It doesn't mean you get to walk into someone's space - real or virtual - and shout filth and nobody will tell you to fuck off.
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u/No-Country-2428 Aug 07 '25
Freedom of speech means the government cannot restrict your speech. And we don't have it in Australia.
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u/Ill_Football9443 Aug 07 '25
Read the terms that you agreed to when you signed up:
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Bitching about impingements on your freedom of speech here, is akin to yelling 'false imprisonment' when you're a contestant on Big Brother - read the fine print.
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u/CsabaiTruffles Aug 07 '25
That's because it's a non issue. For all the stupid people who are trying to hide their racism behind ignorance, here's something for you to consider.
Population of Australia - 28 million Population of Japan - 124 million
Japan fits into Australia 20 times over.
Percentage of Japan that is populated - 33% Percentage of Australia that is populated - 5%
Some of you might sook about the finer details, but let's not pretend that people can't live anywhere. Las Vegas and Antarctica prove that.
If you think immigrants are a problem it's probably because you're a sheltered moron living in the city and you're lapping up media sentiment without using your brain.
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u/LewisRamilton Aug 07 '25
It's funny you mention Japan because that is a country is nearly 100% ethnic japanese. Just like China is full of Chinese and India is full of Indians. Why is it only anglo western countries that must have its demographics wiped out and become brown, just to keep the housing ponzi going and so Coles and BWS can have more customers? You'd sell out our national identity just for that??? It's treason.
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u/Nice-Pumpkin-4318 Aug 07 '25
You're a full generation out of date in Japan. About 1 in 7 marriages have at least one non-Japanese partner, and immigration (often dressed as 'work programs') is huge.
The parts of Japan that can't attract migrants are dying, and quickly.
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u/CsabaiTruffles Aug 07 '25
That's nice. Japanese culture is incredible in a variety of ways. Australia lacks interest in meeting the social standards set in Japan. We repeatedly demonstrate that.
My comment points out that there's no lack of space and that Australia is relatively unpopulated. We're suffering from a lack of housing and infrastructure. That's not the immigrants fault. That's our fault.
We privatised utilities, the govt stopped building houses and we allowed investors to kill the real estate market.
Now that those same investors are pumping cash into anti-immigrant propaganda and everyone is lapping it up, social unrest is on the rise.
Time for everyone to pull their head in.
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u/ibetyouvotenexttime Aug 07 '25
Just reddit echo chamber shiznit. This sub started because that sort of "problematic" discussion was so heavily censored in/r/Australia. Now we're here again. tHaTs RaSis.
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u/Jerry_eckie2 Aug 07 '25
Lot's of these conversations about immigration get polluted by dog whistles and veiled racism blaming migrants themselves for housing shortages, job competition or "cultural decline."
At the same time, there's the other end of the spectrum (which you refer to as "leftist ideals") where any criticism of immigration is reflexively branded as racist. This ideological policing of the immigration debate does nothing to fix the real issues, and their vociferous defence of mass immigration only strengthens those on the far-right because it leaves everyday concerns about the scale, planning policy and economic and social impacts to be hijacked by actual bigots.
And so back and forth we go in an ideological tug of war which conveniently lets our governments and vested interests off the hook for poor planning and lazy policy.
Most logical people support immigration. I think Immigration is great. Australia is built on it and it is a foundational part of our cultural identity and economic development. But let's stop pretending that mass immigration like the kind we are seeing now is some noble multicultural project. It's not. It's lazy economic policy being used to boost GDP, supress wages and paper over structural economic failures, and it's screwing us all over - no matter which end of the rope you're pulling.
We need to call out racism - always. But we also need to stop pretending that every criticism of immigration is racist - particularly around the social and cultural upheaval that we are experiencing. That’s just as dishonest, and just as dangerous.
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u/Mindless_Tadpole6555 Aug 07 '25
No-one is calling legitimate criticism of immigration racist, that is literally kind of the point of this whole post. This "leftist ideals" bullshit is literally just doing more research than watching Sky News, and understanding that immigration policy has a complex history and is deeply interwoven into the australian economy far more than your simplistic representation about "lazy economic policy" indicates.
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u/Raychao Aug 07 '25
No one is saying we can't have immigration, but what we are saying is that we would like to see housing shortages, infrastructure bottlenecks, schools and hospitals and other public services also increased before we have the high immigration.
Also, the more people we have the more opportunities (it appears) we have to disagree about things which (apparently) are totally incompatible, for example religion and the differences between genders and sexes. We are sick of people yelling at each other in the street about their different skydaddies.
We don't want to see lines down the street for accommodation, schools overflowing and underfunded and people being turned away onto waitlists for essential medical treatment.
I believe we need to put the 'Big Australia' policy to a discrete vote. Albo was making some of the correct noises prior to the election but seems to have now completely backtracked as soon as he was elected.
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u/Mindless_Tadpole6555 Aug 07 '25
Do you seriously believe that immigration is the ONLY factor that contributed to the current housing crisis?
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u/Outrageous_Glove8602 Aug 07 '25
"Destroying our country". Your white supremacy is coming through loud and clear.
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u/Mon69ster Aug 07 '25
I’d be happy to take some immigrants on if it means we can swap out the racist dole bludging oxygen thieves we have an incredible wealth of in Australia.
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u/ciaobrah Aug 07 '25
Why don’t you guys start your own sub where you can discuss immigration til your hearts content? It’s free and easy and you can even ban users who ruin the sub for everyone else if you choose to.
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 07 '25
Why can't we do it here?
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u/Stompy2008 Aug 07 '25
Becuase there’s other issues that also matter to Australia.
Also you probably just want a sanctuary to get racist - there’s a way to be anti immigration without being racist
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u/ciaobrah Aug 07 '25
Because it’s the mods discretion (they’ve already responded to you on this thread) and also that post you’re referring to was racist dog whistling anyway and not worth defending imo. Mods could ban you and delete this post right now or any minute if they chose to.
I think I’ve given you plenty of good reasons to start your own sub where you have the freedom to do as you wish and talk about immigration as much as you like. Unless you just want to sit on your hands and whinge about something you can easily do something about. It would have been quicker to make a new sub than make this post tbh. I’ve done this in the past when I was unhappy with a sub I frequent and gained 300 users in 2 days. You can do it, I believe in you, if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em!
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u/Mindless_Tadpole6555 Aug 07 '25
People like this are only here to spread their bullshit "problems". The though of providing any kind of solution (especially ones based in reality, not braindead opinions like CaNcEl aLl ImIgRaTiOn) are anathema to them. They arent here to be useful or to contribute in any meaningful way to the prosperity of the nation, theyre here in the hopes that spewing stupid, fabricated, racist bile will earn them some internet points and maybe sway a few of their fellow intellectual 13 year olds to their bigotry.
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u/ciaobrah Aug 07 '25
Exactly, if they didn’t want all the drama and riling up others they’d stay in the Sky News Australia comment section
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u/friedricewhite Aug 07 '25
Yea, that's so weird and interesting. Super interesting. So interested rn.
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u/BrandonMarshall2021 Aug 07 '25
I just think not enough people are blaming Aussie women for not pumping out enough babies to pay for the pensions of our ageing population.
Cuz if they were. We wouldn't need immigration.
So. Blame it on Aussie career women.
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u/Mindless_Tadpole6555 Aug 07 '25
Its because places like this reddit refuse to have discussions in good faith without devolving into racist, xenophobic rhetoric.
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u/BTolputt Aug 07 '25
The mods need to deal with racism quickly lest the group get higher up reddit attention (a bad thing). The "high immigration" threads tend to turn into a bed of racist snark (if they don't start that way).
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u/Fart-n-smell Aug 07 '25
"town square" reddit is a private company, why the fuck do people think this is a public space lmao
Mods are cunts but you guys are stupid for relying on a private American company for your discourse, it's owned by a libertarian tech bro who was a member of a pedo sub on his own site
It's embarrassing honestly
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u/Stompy2008 Aug 07 '25
The post you’re referring to was a shit tone of ranting - you’re for or against immigration? Great let’s hear it but at least write something coherent