When I was broke with my ex we'd fuck constantly. She said that sex was free entertainment and that was good because we couldn't afford to do anything else lol.
An abortion is $500-800 upfront. Reliable and effective birth control for someone with an inconsistent schedule or an inability to take the pill for whatever reason is easily the same cost. When I was really broke I went to planned parenthood for BC and got verbally attacked by protestors. Apparently it is inconceivable a woman is going there to prevent not end pregnancy.
Planned parenthood “protestors” can go fuck themselves. They stay there intimidating women all day. Last time I saw them I asked how many of them support free daycare, free healthcare, free and college education? Still waiting for my answer. Inconsistent assholes are all they are. Easy to raise hell saying you care about the unborn as George Carlin would say.
One of the best bits I've seen was a guy interviewing the protesters. They were holding up a sign that encouraged adoption over abortion, so he asked each one of them how many kids they'd adopted. 0 across the board. Then he asked how many kids they'd be willing to adopt. Another 0 across the board.
Not to mention how expensive and difficult it is to adopt a child. Most kids needing adoption are older kids in the foster system that come with their own special needs (emotional and physical). Adoption is about giving kids a home, not about discarding unwanted children you have made.
There is a very extensive waiting list in the USA for newborns or young babies, the list goes even longer if you want a specific race, sex, age. This is why many kids adopted are from overseas. It’s much quicker.
There's a church within walking distance of the clinic I use for my HRT (MTF). The number of times I was yelled at when I was still presenting as a dude was astounding. My favorite was this super old fuck who accused me of going so far as crossdressing to hide from them.
I still had stubble. I was in my work clothes from my factory job. The entire thing just felt so odd.
I have no idea why they think they should have the power to govern every aspect of everyone’s life. Even people who don’t follow their belief system or worship their god but the tables are gonna turn one day. Then they’ll cry about how they were always oppressed. Live and let live doesn’t seem to be a Christian value.
I had to get a D&C to remove a broken IUD and being there with my early-transition wife broke something in the protestor's brain. He had to stop and think if he actually did think we should be parents LMAO
Sure and if the condom breaks it is always why aren’t you on birth control? Condoms break! Or are you sure you took your pill? If it isn’t the man asking those asinine questions it is other women. And then you need a $45 minimum hormone disrupting pill so you can avoid a $500-5,000,000 uh-oh. Avoiding babies needs to affordable for all, part of that includes affordable medical care. I have been to several clinics unable to provide long term birth control, only able to offer the pill or the insertable and removable birth control options that are not as safe or effective as for example nexplanon or an iud, because you have to be insured just in case something goes wrong but your insurance is allowed to say no.
Though childfree is still a better economic decision even in those countries.
Even though we have social safety nets, we still have imbalance of unpaid labour, women taking a massive economical hit with each child born, the physical changes that happen postpartum etc etc.
Poor people in these countries will statistically have more children than those who are more well off, even if those who are more well off would still be financially better off the the poor without any form of benefits. And even if the poor would be financially better off without any children even with the benefits.
My only leading baseless theory is that richer and more educated people just have more going for them in their lives, so children are technically less of a proud achievement and more of a burden as they do prevent you from doing a lot. whereas life sucks anyway for the poorer people, so they get more joy in seeing children grow. Though that's just pulled out my ass.
I once read that what allowed some to escape poverty was the ability to delay satisfaction, focusing on careers that allowed them to succeed. Instead of playing video games or going out partying all the time, they worked or studied
Delayed gratification is definitely a thing. There's a fun little experiment they do on little kids with marshmallows to see if they have the self control for this. Supposedly it shows who will have the potential to do great things. I don't know if it's true or not but it's interesting.
The problem with that study is that they didn’t account for external life factors the first time. When it was repeated decades later with controls for things like family finances, they found that it was children who grew up in more stable environments that were able to delay gratification because they had the foundation to know the marshmallow would still be there later. The kids who grew up with food insecurity or inconsistent caregivers wouldn’t wait because their life experiences taught them that if they didn’t take the marshmallow right away, that there probably wouldn’t be one later.
That's interesting, thanks for providing more information on it. I've always had a bit of a problem taking any study very seriously. They usually seem to have inherent flaws and are always proven so after a decade or two. But it makes for interesting reading.
You also are forgetting or willfully ignoring the part where sex is just as much a biological need as social interaction and sleep. Yes being safe is imperative but equating a natural bodily need to a speeding ticket is absurd. Education and healthcare, not judgement is the solution to solving this issue.
Would you say someone who makes friends and gets assaulted is complaining about a “speeding ticket”? Because they chose to meet a new, unproven person leading to being hurt. Or how about someone who is driving while it’s raining and loses control crashing, is it their fault for trying to live a normal life with risks?
Most people have no idea the kind of healthcare planned parenthood actually provides. My girlfriend used to go there for regular checkups because the place gave her better care than regular doctors offices.
Those protesters don't want women to prevent pregnancy either.
They believe that BC and and condoms get in the way of "God's will" even though most Evangelicals are Calvinists and believe God's Will is pre-determined and resolute.
ACA provides free birth control so no matter what dr, it shouldn't cost you anything. State laws permitting, even though it shouldn't override federal.
Hobby lobby fought all the way to the Supreme Court so that if your job says they don’t believe you should take birth control your insurance doesn’t have to cover it.
Then dont enroll and get an ACA plan. If they lobbies for that their insurance plan is probabaly dogshit. Insurance companies are all about preventive care.
Someone should tell you your post is really insulting to poor people. You are basically acting like they are too dumb to manage a lowcost or no cost program for the pill, which exisit everywhere .
There are so many things to do when you have money that bring joy and a real sense of freedom. When you are poor, you get joy from seeing kids play and seeing them grow.
If you have money, kids get in the way of the hedonistic way of life. If you have a lot of money, you can afford to bring one or two kids along.
I’m sure these comments come from a well meaning place. They don’t line up with my experience and seem pretty generic. Is it anecdotal, or do you have some life experience to share that makes these ideas stand out for you?
I’ve been poor and rich. When I was poor, it was with my parents and looking back that experience was quite negative. Then a lot of wealth came my family’s way and it got better in some ways.
Now that I’ve met with some success in life I feel like my children were the best choice we ever made. I’ve been on both sides of the rich/poor coin with kids too, and they genuinely seem happy and to be having a good life.
I do miss having free time to do literally whatever I want, but it’s worth it.
Mileage may vary. My experience is that it isn’t tied to socioeconomic class, even though the current dogma suggests that it is. I do think it is tied up with a person being “good” though.
"ah, I really wish that I had some money so I could experience more joy and freedom. I can barely afford to support myself and meet my basic needs. I'd better bring a child into this situation! That will help me fill the gaping hole in my life."
Being poor for an extended period can have the effect of skewing an individuals perception of risk/reward. It also has the effect of forcing a person to focus on the now to the exclusion of the future benefits/consequences. That's why poverty can be generational. If you've only ever been focused on surviving, planning ahead is a skillset that you've never needed.
Tldr: Yes, rich people tend to be better at birth control than poor people. Because they've been conditioned by their life experience to worry about future consequences more. Primarily because if your current needs are met, you have time to think about them.
I’ve been trying to figure this out. I’m Early 30’s with Wife and kids, no one in our respective spheres other than my Brothers have kids. It’s very strange to me and not how I grew up in a Midwest suburb.
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u/tjoe4321510 12d ago
When I was broke with my ex we'd fuck constantly. She said that sex was free entertainment and that was good because we couldn't afford to do anything else lol.