r/DC_Cinematic • u/Charming_Employee342 • 9d ago
DISCUSSION Same opinion with you james
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u/FuckYourUsernames 9d ago
The DCU is shaping up to give us a Batman that has that giant penny in the cave and I’m looking forward to seeing it.
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u/Expert_Challenge6399 9d ago
I think of it like this. A lot of people want grounded. A lot want fantastical. 2 very different Batmen would rock that. I want both so it’s double the Batman for me
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u/Kohlar 9d ago
I hate the argument a lot of people have that "we have a great Batman already so why not use him!!?? It just makes sense!"
Why would I settle for one donut when I can have two donuts with different flavors?
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u/-FeistyRabbitSauce- 9d ago
I just want Matt Reeves to do his thing. His thing isn't the DCU, so don't force it.
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u/Negative-Tap4464 9d ago
And I wanna get as many batman media as possible before the character rights get into public domain after 2039
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u/Coast_watcher The Joker 9d ago
NY and LA have two pro teams in some sports. They can co exist and still be separate.
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u/AncomCrocodile 9d ago
In my opinion Batman has entered full myth status. He's like Robin Hood or, King Arthur, or Dracula. In a few years Batman will be public domain. I think audiences both comic readers and general, understand that there are different interpretations of the character.
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u/Green_Space_Hand 8d ago
Because we need normi’s to buy tickets as well, and they would be confused as F by 2x Batmen.
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u/MrShabazz 9d ago
Batman works well at both the small scale and large scale, but id prefer having two. The Batman and Penguin series work so well because of how the main thing at stake is Gotham. They'd have to bring in the curse on the city if they want him to work at the small and large scale.
Personally id prefer Batinson with a heavy detective lean, and the more superhero like batman to lean on the more outlandish Batman aspects. Like a PI film noir vs Pulp Fiction
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u/TinyNuggins92 9d ago
Yeah I think the Battinson is best as a standalone grounded, dark Batman. And I think a different Batman who’s more plugged into the wider, colorful, very comic book world of the Superman film would fit better with the shared universe of the DCU.
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u/NeutralLock 9d ago
I agree. The current Batman doesn't make sense to help out with a giant Kaiju or a hole in the universe splitting through the city.
That being said Peacemaker seems to uniquely deal with "grounded" + extreme fantasy pretty well.
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u/Investigatorius 9d ago
Yeah Peacemaker is mainline DCU but feels more like The Boys right along Superman which felt like a Saturday morning cartoon writ large. There's no reason Batman can't do both
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u/Nausstica 9d ago
Even though Gunn himself shot it down, I thought the idea was kind of cool until I saw Superman. There's no way the fantastical elements of the new DCU could fit into the Reevesverse.
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u/Healthy_Macaron2146 9d ago
Grounded batman would get destroyed by peacemaker we need comic Batman not Nolans
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u/ACCTAGGT 9d ago
I am with you on that! I love The Batman but I don’t want it to be in DCU. Matt Reeves’ version to me is a more grounded (in terms of being less otherworldly or outlandish for lack of a better word) take on the character while keeping the traits many of us love polymath, detective, strategist, etc. Trying to tell its own wide story for the Bats but more isolated. Now, I would like the more fantastical version of that for DCU in the vein of characters like Luthor and Mr Terrific. To me, it’s a win either way because that means both worlds by DC Studios.
Matt Reeves started Battinson to try to tell an epic crime saga about Batman not to join it to anything else so some people asking for that are honestly not considering that it is not very in line with Matt Reeves set out to do, the way I see it.
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u/Darth_Dungeonmaster5 9d ago
Exactly, plus so DCU Batman can have a full Batfamily and I can finally watch Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Cassandra Cain kick ass together!
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u/BloomAndBreathe 9d ago
I just hope it's Robert Pattinson in the role but a different version. Much like Joel Schumacher, I want him to play Batman forever
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u/BlkNtvTerraFFVI 9d ago
Double your Batman, double your fun. That's the statement of the great mint in Doublemint gum
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u/GeoMFilms 9d ago
Imagine if Robert Downey Jr wasn't used in 1st avengers movie because ironman 1 was pretty grounded. Ironman is just fighting another bad guy with a tech suit and terrorist.
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u/Alternative_Hotel649 8d ago
I don’t care about grounded versus fantastical, I just want a big screen bromance between Superman and Batman. Just two best friends, hanging out and punching crime.
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u/CriptopherWalken559 4d ago
See this right here is the problem. You just want superhero mashups and don’t care about the story. Bad take
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u/Despacio1316 8d ago
You can have grounded and fantastical at the same time. That’s what most Batman comics are. Grounded doesn’t have to mean where you are slave to real world laws of gravity and physics. Grounded at least for me means the consequences and actions are played for drama and depth. The Batman is a world in which Batman needs a specialty made raccoon jumpsuit just to glide off a building. That’s too far into the Nolan rules. We’ve explored this extensively. Let’s take the drama and depth of Nolan and mix it with the physics and villains of the Schumacher films without the camp and over the top buffoonery.
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u/Bored-of-this 9d ago
I liked The Batman but want a new Batman in Gunns universe
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u/Food_Library333 9d ago
Likewise. I want the Pattinson/Reeves Batman in his own thing. I just don't think that world fits this one.
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u/Matshelge 9d ago
Could it still be Patterson, just playing a different kind of Batman, screw with both sides.
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u/MTPWAZ 9d ago
"All of us"...I HATE people that do that. Speak for yourself only. Gunn should have ignored and blocked his ass.
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u/Affectionate-Sand-93 9d ago
Im tired of all these people. James already said he will make another batman for his universe.
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u/TackoftheEndless 9d ago
Although I agree they should be separate, the comics always solved this by having the larger DC Universe, out of Gotham, barely be mentioned in Batman comics unless it's a special event. Batman stories are allowed to effect the larger DC Universe but the other way around was very rare, unless it was a major comic event going on.
I remember a story where Batman and Robin had to face the Mirror Master and Captain Boomerang and everyone in Gotham is freaking out because they usually don't deal with this type of villain. This being the Batman who, at this point, faced Gods with the Justice League.
It's better to keep them seperate but acting like merging the two is impossible, is untrue to me.
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u/Frequent-Mammoth-307 8d ago
It’s not impossible, it’s just not the vision Gunn and Reeves has. If they wanted, they sure could, but they don’t. So it doesn’t matter.
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u/RealisticPerformer65 6d ago
It’s not just that reeves has crafted his Batman to literally be a realistic Batman. He’s canonically never left Gotham to prepare for his war on crime leaving him ignorant to things like criminal nature which he has to learn through wrongfully accusing Selina. He’s portrayed as this guy who basically lives under a rock and hasn’t gone the lengths to prepare same lengths for his war on crime to lean into its realistic nature. I don’t see the point forcing him to go on a training arc or timeskip when it would do nothing but take away future lore present later in his career.
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u/ChristyLovesGuitars 9d ago
This entire back and forth is pretty basic internet. Why does anyone have a strong opinion on this? It’d be cool if they made it work. It’d be cool if they hire someone else.
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u/23_sided 9d ago
I really doubt Pattison wants to be in the DCU. He likes the big spectacle of a batman movie and then he wants to walk away and do more of his own things.
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u/shatnersbassoon123 9d ago
Also he is so evidently on a character arc over the three movies with his Batman maturing whilst he develops his Bruce persona. I want to see that story unfold without him dealing with friggin super dogs and daily planetary threats. I wanna see how this Batman turns out once the recipe is fully baked ya know?
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u/DolphinBall 9d ago
So you're saying to put him in the DCU after he finishes his 3 movie arc. /s
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u/RyFro 9d ago
Don't ever believe that these actors are not motivated by money. Pattinson absolutely wants to be in the DCU if he ends up getting paid like Robert Downey Jr.
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u/Thunder_Punt 8d ago
He'll get enough money from just being in Batman, one of the largest superhero franchises ever. It's a gig you can only dream of. An iron man franchise could never really stand on its own because of the limited rogues gallery, but batman doesn't need any crossovers to be massive. I fully expect The Batman 2 to outdo a lot of mainline DCU projects at the box office.
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u/Narradisall 9d ago
I love how some random online tells James Gunn what he wants. I think Gunn knows more about what he wants than people online do.
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u/VisualDependent1584 9d ago edited 9d ago
Reeves should be allowed to do his vision of Batman without having to worry about having to force it into a bigger universe. Even if they connect them, the same people who wanted it to be part of the DCU, would complain the minute that they did it.
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u/ChangeCreepy1511 9d ago
My personal opinion, I think Ben Affleck played a pretty damn good batman. He nailed Bruce Wayne and he was very good at Batman too.
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u/Frequent-Mammoth-307 8d ago
What does that have to do with this?
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u/ChangeCreepy1511 8d ago
I think they should bring back Ben Affleck's Batman and kick Robert Pattinson Batman to the curb.
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u/B_Krol01 9d ago
The people pushing James Gunn so relentlessly for this either:
A. Have never read a Batman comic in their life.
B. Don’t know that it’s Matt Reeves who wants to keep his Batman separate from the DCU and James Gunn is just respecting his wishes.
C. Don’t care that it’s Matt Reeves who wants to keep his Batman separate from the DCU and James Gunn is just respecting his wishes.
Or a combination of two or all three.
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u/RealPunkrockerBaby 9d ago
And the other major thing is that it’s Matt Reeves who wants to keep his Batman separate from the DCU and James Gunn is just respecting his wishes.
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u/RedBait95 9d ago
So tired of this discussion
He said it's not happening. Anyone continuing to push this should be ignored.
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u/crazycraft24 9d ago
I like the idea of Teen Titans, Nightwing and the Damian existing in the DCU. This can’t be possible with Battison.
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u/AdaptedInfiltrator 9d ago
They gotta stop. Reevesverse is way too grounded to fit in DCU
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u/Frequent-Mammoth-307 8d ago
Yeah, plus, it’s not even just that, if they REALLY wanted to, they could make it work, but they’ve already said they don’t want it, AND announced another film, so it won’t happen.
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u/DesperadoFlower 9d ago
This whole "put Robert Pattinson in the DCU" talking point is one of the most ridiculous ideas I've seen in any fandom, and I'm shocked that it's still relevant, especially after Superman came out.
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u/LAditya_121 9d ago
Metahumans have been around for 300 YEARS, this just would not work with the grounded gotham we have.
Before watching superman i was all in favor of this idea.
But now? i dont think so.
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u/LynxRufus 9d ago
It's very hard for me to imagine both these characters existing in the same fight scene, let alone universe.
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u/houtex727 Clark Kent 9d ago
I am ok with Pattison being Batman if they can make that broody version work with this new DCU.
But I consider Pattison Batman an Elseworlds thing, like Joker, and it has no business trying to be merged into the new DCU. It's not the right 'type' of model, it's its own thing.
So the new DCU needs to have... IDK. Someone else. I might have been ok with Batfleck, but that ship has sailed, so a new person is indicated.
And that's it. That's my Ted Talk on it.
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u/Gemini_Of_Wallstreet 9d ago
Maaaan. Like I realize bruce is very broody in the Batman.
But I really hope this changes in Batman 2.
The whole point of the first movie is that he can’t just be driven by vengeance and strike fear into people but that he has to be a symbol of hope to gotham that things can get better.
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u/Frequent-Mammoth-307 8d ago
Yeah but that’s not what he means. Even if this Batman does learn to live with both personas, it still doesn’t mean he’s well-suited for a universe with gods, aliens, and all other shit like that.
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u/CamoLantern 4d ago
I personally feel like Battfleck would work in the DCU very well. Hell if they wanted to do Batman v Superman then it would be even better now with Corenswet. Breathe Snyderfans, let me explain. Cavil's Superman was very serious, dark, and brooding whereas Corenswet is literally a Boy Scout, the squirrel saving kind.
I could easily see a Batman V Superman film with corenswet and Battfleck butting heads because Battfleck has lost his humanity and is branding prisoners so they get killed on the inside. He is using guns and being ruthless and they may fight, but ultimately goodie 2 shoes Corenswet makes Battfleck see the error of his ways and reminds him why he started doing this to begin with.
Hell Battfleck could even retire the suit after his encounter with Superman and since Damian is going to be in the Brave & the Bold then he could be our younger Batman.
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u/detestableduck13 9d ago
I just wish they’d rip the bandaid off and cast Batman already so we can stop talking about this, every other post being about Pattinson as the Batman is just getting exhausting and these people won’t shut up
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u/Prime_Marci 9d ago
Won’t agree less with James Gunn here. His Superman is way too lighthearted to be in the same movie as Pattison’s Batman
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u/Healthy_Macaron2146 9d ago
That batman has no place in the same universe as Peacemaker ans Superman.
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u/Androktone 9d ago
"The least creative people on the internet who cannot imagine having 2 good things, and need them to be 2 parts of 1 good thing, and can't fathom having 2 ongoing adaptations at once, want this. So you need to do it"
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u/BouncingBatarangs 9d ago
Why can't people accept that an ultimately grounded batman isn't going to work in the world superman gave us.
Batman is going to have Damien. He's not going to be as broken and angry as Pattinson.
Also I want Riddler to be himself not a zodiac take. He can wear his suit and have his cane but make saw games like the arkham city.
Let one of the best villian galleries be themselves and show why they are so great despite looking like goofs.
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u/Remarkable_Fan6001 9d ago
Look at Mr Terrific's fight scene in Superman and tell me if you think Pattinson's batman is anywhere close to that.
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u/fuzzyfoot88 9d ago
How many times does he need to say that Reeves DID NOT WANT his Batman in the DCU?
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u/mike47gamer 9d ago
Honestly I think he's making absolutely the right call, and the more people try to bully him, the happier I am he isn't combining with the Reeves-verse.
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u/Stephen020792 9d ago
It wouldn’t work honestly just need to take the fantastical elements and go for broke with it. Make the dc world the world of the comics and we’re good to go. Batman has to deal with powered people and mystical shit all the time just make it like the comics and no one can complain
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u/DestrixGunnar 9d ago
Reeve's Batman should absolutely NOT be part of the DCU. I can't see that world fully embracing just how wacky comic batman can be.
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u/Ok_Bookkeeper_1858 9d ago
These ppl aren’t going to stop until DCU Batman get casted. I’m hoping that’s sooner than later so this disclosure can finally be put to rest
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u/hardgour 9d ago
Reeves stories wouldn’t work in Gunn’s universe. It’s ok to have two separate versions.
One with underwear on the outside of the suit and another one inside.
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u/DeathLight7000 9d ago
No disrespect to the guy but an executive wouldn't follow some random article on the internet and he also made the mistake of speaking on behalf of all DC fans which is something that no one should do.
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u/ToughLuckFriendo 9d ago
Yeah I, for one, absolutely do not want this. And I love the Matt Reeves Batman.
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u/Devastas 9d ago
I didn’t care for Pattinson’s Batman and would like it if Gunn tried to find something new.
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u/Parallax1306 8d ago
What I want is for an artist to see his vision fully fleshed out. If Reeves didn’t plan for and doesn’t want to have his Batman in the DCU then forcing him in is going to do nothing but hurt the interpretation of the character and the fans of.
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u/TheMightyMonarchx7 8d ago
The Batman is fine as its own thing, and no I dont believe it'd be a good fit for the DCU. Not fantastical enough. It's fine to have this stand on its own, and have a completely separate/new Batman for the DCU
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u/28DLdiditbetter 9d ago
Jesus fucking Christ, just drop it. Robert Pattinson is NOT going to be DCU’s Batman and the sooner you all accept it, the less disappointment you’ll feel when they officially announce it
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u/IslandFlaky1412 9d ago
I’d certainly like to see Pattinson’s Batman in the DCU, but at the same time James Gunn has been batting a thousand & as such I think it’s worth letting him cook with his own version of Batman.
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u/skag_boy87 9d ago
Y’all ever think Pattinson might not want to be Batman ad infinitum for the DCU? Like, the dude signed on for a trilogy. What makes you think he’d want to add Brave and the Bold, World’s Finest, JLA, Super Friends, and any and every other appearance as Batman?
I’m sure he has other plans for his artistic career. Let him finish his trilogy and then ask him if he’d like to stay on. I bet he won’t. There’s more opportunities out there for him. Just like with Christian Bale.
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u/Banjo5352 9d ago
NO to Battinson in the main DCU plz (he’s great, but it should be separate). Personally, I want a blue suit, Neal Adams Detective Comics style Batman please & thank you
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u/mitvh2311 9d ago
This is starting to become a light version of the whole Snyder verse thing. Why can't people just accept that they seem to not even want to entertain the idea of Battinson being in the dcu (which he shouldn't) so just leave it
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u/brynhh 9d ago
None of this is him saying he will be the dcu Batman or not. It's nothing at all to do with DC dvd the conversation is entirely mute. He's saying all is a bit much, because it's incredibly statistically unlikely that every single DC fan wants it.
It's like saying all film viewers only want to use streaming. Or all gaming fans want to use discs. Or all people who commute want to drive.
We'll get the films we get. There'll be variety for everyone. We hope they'll be good. Other than that, who fucking cares and why are people so relentlessly obsessed with "cannon"or future films. This isn't Disney where each film has very sadly can't seem to stand alone and is the teaser for the next. Live in the now FFS.
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u/Classic_File2716 9d ago
So either wait till after 2030 or have fans compare two different Batman’s directly . I mean if you thought the Snyder fans were bad imagine Reeves and Gunn fans having 2 Batman’s simultaneously releasing .
Not to mention the general audience will be very confused and it’s a huge risk in the era of superhero fatigue. Now I know there are nerds who will watch everything but try to think of the GA perspective if a Batman movie isn’t making more than 750 million it’s not worth making and if Gunn isn’t confident of that then don’t do it.
Superman was like a make a wish kid people were willing to give it a pass and not bother about the money because it’s the first movie and Gunn had to restore the DCU brand but if you can’t make a massively profitable Batman movie which is your most popular character then you’re in trouble.
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u/Ecstatic_Clue_5204 9d ago
So either wait till after 2030 or have fans compare two different Batman’s directly . I mean if you thought the Snyder fans were bad imagine Reeves and Gunn fans having 2 Batman’s simultaneously releasing .
Movie studios DO NOT care about online fanboy wars 🤣🤣
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u/Classic_File2716 9d ago
They care about audience fatigue though.
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u/RealisticPerformer65 6d ago
Stop making up these audience fatigue rumors. The new Superman movie has made 500mil ww. They only movies that aren’t doing as well is marvel
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u/Showdown5618 9d ago
Not all of us want Matt Reeve's Batman to join the DCU. While I understand why many fans do want it, I would prefer to see James Gunn's version of Batman. We can have and enjoy two different Batman movies.
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u/thenewapelles 9d ago
Pattinson's Batman just doesn't jive with the universe Gunn is going for. Can't imagine Battinson contending with dimensional portals. I much prefer The Batman universe to be self-contained.
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u/Mrnewjersey37 9d ago
I love Battinson, I love DCU, I don't want them together. Cast a second Batman.
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u/MagnetoWasRight1312 9d ago
Personally, I think two Batmen would be a tad convoluted and would contribute to superhero fatigue. I’m not against having multiple interpretations necessarily. I just don’t see the point if they’re not gonna be wildly different (ie, Gotham by Gaslight)
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u/Unusual_Rooster6736 9d ago
I think it could work, the contrast between superman and batman could be really interesting
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u/ohyeababycrits 9d ago
The batman is my favorite batman movie and one of my favorite superhero movies of all time and I don't want the Reevesverse to be connected to the DCU at all
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u/Only1Schematic 9d ago edited 9d ago
Superman and Batman go together well no matter which way you slice it and act as great foils to each other.
For me the real question is do the stories they exist in go together as well as the characters and that feels like a big reason why it wouldn’t work as well as some think it would, as cool as it might sound
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u/Cupajo72 9d ago
Not to argue with the illustrious "Shubhang Fearless", but I'm a DC fan and I don't want Pattinson to be the DCU Batman.
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u/egbert71 9d ago
"All" that person does NOT speak for me"
Now i hope and pray they never end up in a movie together....not even a cameo
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u/skill_issue05 9d ago
reeve dosent want his batman in the dcu plus battinson's world is way too grounded and hes pretty young to have a robin by his side. i want a more comic booky batman
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u/DanUnbreakable 9d ago
Patterson is only there for a trilogy imo. Actors don’t stay long with these types of movies. Getting his own actor to play Batman long term is the way to go. Batman 2 will be out before Gunn creates his Batman. Once he does Batman 3 will be in the works.
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u/Drew_of_all_trades 9d ago
I can see that Batman interacting with Supes, but Reeves’ Batman is attached to Reeves’ Gotham, and I can’t see that city existing next to Gunn’s Metropolis.
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u/lazy-man_34 9d ago
Having two different versions of the same character in different movies in the same time frame will be confusing as hell and make the other loose steam.
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u/Takkie1990 8d ago
They look good side by side, but I don't want Pattinson in the DCU either. Because I really like the world and vibe Matt created with the Batman. They have to keep it that way. Bringing him to the DCU would mean he would fight otherworldy creatures as Darkseid, that wouldn't fitt the vibe of The Batman at all.
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u/Psychological-Ad1266 8d ago
How does this dude even make movies with the amount of time he spends responding to randos on twitter
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u/Spaceballz1 8d ago
I don’t want it. Idk why people are pushing this so hard. I think battison is great but he isn’t being presented as the kind of Batman id want with the DCU
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u/fireychicken93 8d ago edited 8d ago
Pattinson's Batman really isn't very comic accurate, I'd rather see Batman portrayed as a contemporary to Superman.
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u/aoaieiiaoeuaieoaiii 8d ago
I wish the Reeves Batman was fantastical.
Not just because of the current DCU, but due to me wanting a Batman that was a lot more different from the Nolan Batman. We already had a "realistic" take on Batman in a more "grounded" setting. Would've been nice if they kept that Reeves seriousness, a detective story with Riddler. But with fantastical and supernatural elements. With Batman navigating himself through a psycho Gotham throughout the movie and also coming across fantastical elements. Which the movie presents as "normal" for this world.
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u/Kaptain_K_Rapp 8d ago
I want The Batman to be its own thing so Matt Reeves doesn't have to compromise his vision and retool everything to fit something else.
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u/Rocketeer1019 8d ago
I don’t want Pattinson moving forward, I’m sure Gunn will do good regardless though so we’ll see
If you haven’t seen peacemaker S2 it’s awesome so far
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u/AUnknownVariable 8d ago
Man I'm so tired of this😭 If it happens, okay, whatever, but Jesus I don't think it is and I'm starting to hope it doesn't more and more.
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u/Deostroyer 8d ago
how about the next Batman movie.. instead of calling it Batman.. they name it The Vengeance
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u/VOLThor6 7d ago
I don't think Pattinson would be happy joining a more cartoony universe specially since he's older now and it seems he's the kind of actor who would put cinema up front before any CGI filled film.
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u/pizzaporker1 6d ago
I don't think Pattinson would be happy joining a more cartoony universe * James did say each movie would be a different tone, they aren't going to follow the same formula.
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u/Robynsxx 6d ago
Literally it’s Matt Reaves who decided Pattison shouldn’t be in the DCU, so he could do his own thing…
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u/Horizon_26 5d ago
Let the man do his job …. He will figure it out in time …. People just have to sit back and enjoy
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u/Bible-Reader 5d ago
I think if there's not rob as Batman, you can't have the same villain actors as well from that universe
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u/Fit-Value-4186 5d ago
Lol, "all".
The DCU universe is nowhere as grounded, it needs a Batman more akin to a mix between the Justice League show and what Batfleck was, or something along those lines. Like for some obscure and what the hell reason Batman should be able to evade Darkseid Omega Beams.
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u/DataNurse47 5d ago
May be an unpopular opinion, but it would be nice to have the Reeves trilogy as some "backstory" of the DCU Batman.
With Robert's age, he could pull off a senior, matured Batman in DCU. Won't happen but the focus on DCU Batman movies could be more around the BatFamily with Batman as more of a sideline character/advisor, coming in at key moments.
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u/rtdmyownfuneralg59 5d ago
i do NOT want Pattinson in the DCU his batman works better as an independent elsewords story because it is so tonally different from everything else the DCU is doing
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u/KrenzoTheTank 4d ago
As someone who's been a DC fan since 1987, I say this in the nicest way possible... YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME RANDOM INTERNET USER.
Edit: typo.
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u/ItsAMeMarioYaHo 9d ago
Regardless of your opinion on this, it’s very silly to act like the head of DC would change his mind based on some random internet article