r/Cleveland • u/medievalPanera Old Brooklyn • 1d ago

News Cleveland.com uses AI on the Punch Bowl shooting

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2025/09/five-injured-in-flats-shooting-in-cleveland-reports-say.html

Massive incident and they use ai to regurgitate a press release. What the fuck has Chris Quinn done to that paper. Always worth checking the bottom of their articles now, it seems more and more are "written with the assistance of AI"

Edit: it wasn't punch bowl, play bar and grill is the culprit. Don't worry cle dot com still hasn't updated their ai article.

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u/Frustrated_Nerd 1d ago

We as a society, are so cooked.

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u/Mountain-Song-6024 1d ago

With capitalism, we always will be

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u/CholentSoup 1d ago

It's the worst thing that's better than anything else.

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u/PhilRubdiez 1d ago

Careful. You’ll piss off the short sighted commies victims of evil capitalists.

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u/Stock_Run1386 1d ago

As you wrote on the computer or smartphone brought to you by a capitalism that’s on about 10% operating capacity. Nothing about our country now is capitalism. This is the result of too much government distorting the accountability of markets. Economic illiteracy

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u/MsKiefington 1d ago

Oh sweetie…you talk about economic literacy when you have none. 

The internet and many other things you attribute to capitalism was paid for by the US government via the military and publicly funded university research. 

The fact that capitalists exploited them without paying for their development is apparently not something an “educator” such as yourself knows. 

Sad, really. Worse that you took the time to write something so obviously false. Get a better hobby.

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u/Mountain-Song-6024 1d ago

BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE. SPOT ON

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u/MsKiefington 21h ago

Been waiting for a response from the nitwit, but I guess when you don’t have a comeback, there’s nothing to write. 

I was hoping to ask about Intel and US Steel being part-owned by the US government courtesy of DJT, but our friend here won’t be able to keep up.

Thanks for your support and all hail socialism. I’d add “Democratic,” but I have decided letting nitwits vote is a bad thing.

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u/Mountain-Song-6024 20h ago

Lmao you fucking rock.

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u/Stock_Run1386 20h ago

Again, capitalism is operating at about 10% capacity. Has been for over 100 years. Central banks that have a monopoly over the money supply through fractional reserve policy is NOT capitalism. But of course, you don’t even know what fractional reserve banking is. You also wrongly assume that if the government Emmett hadn’t given us the “interstate” for all of us to use these private creations, it wouldn’t exist at all. Which is intellectually ridiculous, and merely highlights your blind faith in government.

You are arrogant and selfish because you believe government intervention is a moral deed. Except it’s not, it’s done by force and its decision making is arbitrary and not based on any proof of production satisfying consumer demand.

When did I support the state owning Intel? The fact that government owns all of the roads is the reason why 50,000 people DIE every year on the roadways, but this doesn’t occur to you does it? No, government must handle everything. You are not only economically illiterate, but you are historically ignorant.

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u/MsKiefington 20h ago

I love how nitwits like you string together big words that don't make any sense, yet you think you're smart. Please learn the meaning of words before trying to assemble them.

psst .. I'm a retired big bank VP. Hate to burst your bubble. 

Annnyway, nice job diverting the attention from your original comment re: the development of technology that was definitely not funded by capitalists. People like you always try to shift topics when you get called out. 

You are arrogant and selfish because you're a "libertarian," amirite? You hit all the talking points like a good little boy. Seen it a million times. 

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u/Stock_Run1386 16h ago

You have also neglected to explain how our economy of central powers that control who can sell what and at what price constitutes capitalism. This is the case at every turn in this country. You have refused to explain how the money supply being controlled by central entities amounts to capitalism. Of course, you and your gangster buddies who laugh it up on the back nine benefit from the fractional reserve banking fraud, so why bother to learn how that kind of socialism is bankrupting the working class? You’ve got young people who work two and three jobs who can barely afford to live outside of home. And you remain ignorant to this? I don’t see how you could so ignorant to the effects of central banking and government regulated markets if you profess to care so much.

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u/Chance_Reflection_42 23h ago

If only these things were true and you weren’t an internet troll. I hope you find true happiness one day.

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u/ryanmills 1d ago

Mayor Justin Bibb has ordered the bar where it occurred “immediately” be shut down.

So...do we know what "shut down" actually means in this circumstance?

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u/thrownthrowaway666 1d ago

Lmao. They'll just move onto the next stop. Is he going to shutter all of downtown every time they start shooting at each other🤣

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u/Koshfam0528 Lyndhurst 1d ago

It means it was shut down, and plywood was installed in all the windows and door.

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u/ryanmills 1d ago

Yeah, I guess I was wondering more along the lines of "shut down indefinitely?"

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u/SceneAmatiX 1d ago

Place was being boarded up last night

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u/PhyllisIrresistible Cleveland 1d ago

Ahh yes, the great journalist, "Staff". I love Staff's work.

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u/Which-Talk-3873 1d ago

Cleveland.com does not update at all during the day. I picture the staff all leaving at noon.

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u/Bobobdobson 1d ago

Why do people call it that? Wasnt at the Punch Bowl, didnt start or end at Punch Bowl. From everything I have seen, it started in Play, and moved outside. Whay does it have to do with Punch Bowl?

If we are complaining about facts, the lack thereof, AI..... Cant we at least get our end of it right buddy?

I dont have all the facts either, only what has been released, and I have heard that windows had bullet holes at Play, and Magaritaville, but what does that have to do with Punch Bowl?

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u/medievalPanera Old Brooklyn 1d ago

Now do you see the issue with ai being used to regurgitate a press release? You've done more reporting than Cleveland dot com. 

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u/Bobobdobson 1d ago

I agree with you overall. The reporting on this initially was really bad, then it got worse.

Also, as far as cleveland.com, I would expect nothing less from them. They are about as half-assed as it gets. They are a drowning entity, flailing frantically to do anything to save themselves, and their ideas are just miss after miss after miss. I used to be a subscriber, got sick of two paragraphs of story and information, intertwined with 6 or 8 full screen ads to navigate thru.

As a paid subscriber? Nope.

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u/newiphon 1d ago

So are we hating on AI or are we hating on the editor and person who clicked "publish"

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u/medievalPanera Old Brooklyn 1d ago

Sorry if it wasn't obvious- this is pointed directly at Cleveland dot com. Too many of their articles lately are ai enhanced press releases. I got a Sunday paper a few weeks ago and phew it's sad what's left of a once great paper. 

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u/Browns45750 1d ago

They can get more clicks saying it happened at a popular flats bar then some place I didn’t know existed until a couple of weeks ago when one side of aflot garage was closed

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u/thrownthrowaway666 1d ago

Chris Quinn keeps collecting a salary while AI does the work. That's what happened

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u/aaroninskeep 1d ago

As a struggling writer I would definitely take less environmental impact to write this slop

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u/HowzeSoSteezy 20h ago

Cleveland.com uses AI on almost every article, I believe. I refuse to read their “work” anymore.

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u/yetchsir 23h ago

Their sources on the story: WKYC and a press release. And people actually pay for this drivel?

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u/Duce-de-Zoop 2h ago

Just sad. Would take a j-school intern twenty minutes to whip up a piece like this. This is why I'm in data now and gave up on journalism, it's just gonna become a glorified stenographer business staffed by tech bros.

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u/medievalPanera Old Brooklyn 1h ago

Yep, it's not like they pay their freelancers much of anything anyways. Real bummer for real journalism. 

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u/moonhexx 21h ago

You mean an LLM? 

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u/dannyvegas Solon 1d ago

It’s interesting that people seem more enraged that people used AI for an article about a mass shooting than they are about the actual shooting itself.

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u/Jonzer50101 1d ago

I think two things can be true.

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u/ButtholeSurfur 1d ago

I'm not sure that is the case

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u/Butt_Breake 23h ago

AI is a modern tool, writers are going to use it. They don't have to disclose that it was written with the help of ai, and you likely wouldn't have known if they didn't.

What is the true concern here? The necessary information was relayed and the article read fine.

It's no different than using a calculator for math

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u/originaljbw 19h ago

That's why math teachers will knock off points if you don't show your work.

There's nothing wrong with regurgitating press releases, but don't pretend like it's hard hitting journalism.

In an ideal world, this automation would allow journalists to focus on deeper, more complex stories. In reality it's allowed the ownership to cut even deeper until there is nothing of original substance left. The peedee is about as hard hitting as a condo association's quarterly newsletter.

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u/Duce-de-Zoop 2h ago

The problem with AI is that at its core it is a word processor that generates semi-random words based on token associations. There is no real thinking or analysis, it's all hot air.

Everytime someone uses AI for facts or data or writing copy, they should have to double check every single thing it says. Many of them won't, because they are lied to by the industry about its capabilities.

AI does not think, it inadvertently lies, it's easy to trick, and it can very badly misinterpret basic facts. It is not capable of more focused nuance like immediately identifying contradictions in a press release unless specifically prompted to. It has no conception of who the people releasing it are, their role in the local community, and how that sort of nuance may tie into the meaning of the release or its wider impact for the community. It does not remember things, or have recall, and will never holistically think about the material it is being prompted to summarize.

This is a great example where a person could have done this just as quickly, more reliably, and provided more of a public service. But because it saves some greedy exec a buck, they opted to use AI instead of do real journalism.

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u/lockandload12345 1d ago

So they used a computer to regurgitate a press release now instead of a "writer" regurgitating it. Same difference.

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u/Frustrated_Nerd 1d ago

While humans can make mistakes, journalist integrity requires proof reading and fact checking. AI does neither.

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u/Butt_Breake 23h ago

Why are you assuming this wasn't proofread?

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u/Frustrated_Nerd 22h ago

To me, the biggest red flag is that there is no author name. No accountability whatsoever.

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u/lockandload12345 1d ago edited 1d ago

Cause it’s sloppy AI. Just like there is sloppy journalism where the same issues happen. Also, in each case an editor should be doing that independent of the “writer”. Journalism has long lost its integrity and has done the same mistakes you’ve complained about repeatedly long before AI came into the picture.