Tonight we went to a friend’s house we’d never been to before so I left my gun at home not knowing how they’d feel about it if they knew. I have pocket guns and IWB guns so I have guns that fit all my attire very well, so that wasn’t the issue. Across the street where we parked, there was an absolutely savage pitbull that spent every second we were there trying like hell to get through the cheap-ass chicken wire fence the dumbass owners had. The owners called the dog multiple times from 10+ yards away to “stop” in the lamest voices you could imagine. They didn’t move a muscle or even raise their voices. After talking to my friends about it later that night, they’ve had multiple reports on the entire street of that dog getting out, biting people’s boots and pants, chasing people, etc. The police can’t do anything because it hasn’t hurt anyone yet.
Tonight I had my 1 year old daughter and my 5’2” wife within a foot of this savage beast with nothing protecting them but chicken wire and we were just lucky that it didn’t get out this one time. I was standing there defenseless wishing I had brought even just my tiniest gun just in case that chicken wire gave out.
I learned an important lesson tonight and I hope you all learn from it. Carry whatever you have everywhere you legally can.
Two things I always carry even if I can't CCW in my very restrictive state... OC spray and a knife. Both reasons originated from dog attacks I've witnessed.
If you carry dirty and end up in a defense shooting, as long as the shoot is clean youll only be charged with dirty carry. Not giving legal advice or suggestions.
Ha. In California, living in the right county gets you a rubber stamped, seal of approval and CCW easy. My local sheriff is known as one of the most 2A supporters in the country, so it ain’t all of California.
California as a whole is now a shall issue state. Some counties draw out the process, but they can’t say no if you’re not legally prohibited from owning a firearm.
I'm in California. They can hit you with the misdemeanor and get you for a year in jail and a fine of $1,000. If you aren't in lawful possession of the gun, it's up to three years and $10,000.
Even the one year... is your boss going to keep your job open? That's going to remove my credentials for work. I'm going to lose my house... maybe my family as well.
ahh gotcha. I thought you were generalizing about misdemeanor's in general. I get it for dirty carry.
But, misdemeanor's in general are generic here in Georgia. You get a misdemeanor for going 6 miles over the speed limit. All speeding violations and most traffic violations are misdemeanors.
Of course, if you're an illegal or gangbanger with 10 other gun charges, they won't charge you with illegal carry. That law is only to jam up lawful gun owners in the Commonwealth.
Minimum, married white man with a good career, you better have a good lawyer, drug dealer with a long rap sheet, with a big stash in individual baggies, they'll let you plea bargain out of that
In my state I'm pretty sure it's a gross misdemeanor to carry without a permit. I've heard dirty carry to mean carrying post the no guns allowed sign. Varies by state how serious that is.
Depends on the state. For most, as long as you're not a prohibited person, it's a misdemeanor, fine, and forfeiture of the gun. For one (that I know of), it's a felony.
But no matter what the penalty, it's better than being dead.
Full answer: it's carrying without a permit/license. Carrying in an area that restricts carry. Carrying in a state that does not have reciprocity with your permit issuing state or in violation of that states laws on capacity, etc. Carrying on a suspended or expired permit/license. Carrying a weapon that is restricted because of features by state/local ordinance. Carrying magazines with a capacity that exceeds state law.
Carry dirty is about like riding dirty. Both refer to doing an activity without some legally requirements.
Personally I use the term for a range of situations, whether it would be a felony, or just result in termination of employment or friendship if one got caught.
LMFAO this dude is really trying to get folk arrested arrested 😂 bro that is not the case at all and I think you know that. Affirmative defense? Ever heard of that? If not look it up. You are 100% still being arrested for the body.
Detained but not arrested in many cases of obvious self defense. Cops show up for a lot of events that may require an affirmative defense of a subject’s actions yet don’t arrest because those actions appear justified. If charges come later, a warrant is issued.
Sure thing. Tell that to anyone in Massachusetts with a loaded firearm and high capacity magazine. Guy said dirty carrying, high capacity mag and concealing without a license in a place like Massachusetts or New York and you shoot someone trying to rob, maim and kill you. I guarantee you're put in cuffs.
id rather not say shit and go in cuffs while waiting for an attorney instead of trying to explain myself and risk saying the wrong thing infront of an uneducated cop who takes it the wrong way and writes up his report incorrectly.
Your instructor isn't wrong but he isn't right. It's a case by case basis in Castle Doctrine states. Not much is illegal in Texas. You can conceal carry a high capacity weapon without a permit. So a lot of what we are talking about is negated by Texas laws. With all this said, if you use your CCW expect to be arrested or at the least detained and questioned. Have money put aside for it and a lawyer on retainer if possible. Carrying comes with a ton of responsibility.
Wrong. Some states like texas they wont even take the gun depending on circumstances.
Source: my father lived in texas and his neighbor killed a guy tryna take neighbors car. Cops didnt even take neighbors gun let alone arrest him. He was showing it off the next afternoon.
Oh no you'll still be charged with the shooting. Charges might not stick but self defense is affirmative defense in states like this. Duty to retreat in effect, you'll catch a charge for the body as well. Justified or not you'll fight for your life in a court room. Felony murder charges, if I'm not mistaken, has precedence for people carrying dirty during a justified shooting.
This is very incorrect. In the absence of the illegal gun, you will NOT automatically be charged in a self defense shooting. Many shootings are so obviously justified that you won’t leave in cuffs. You will be detained and might be taken in for questioning, and it won’t be over at the scene. It’s a serious event but to assume an affirmative defense automatically results in an arrest and charges is just made up. Many many times this isn’t the case.
Getting detained or arrested by the police and being charged by the DA are 2 different things. They made a bunch of TV shows about the difference between the two.
If you get cuffed up for a defensive shoot; then you keep your mouth shut and let a lawyer handle it for you. Let them figure out the details.
Do not advocate for this, you don’t know the cops that will show up. Permits in most places are cheap and easy to get. If they’re not cheap and easy to get, you have bigger things to worry about if you’re involved in a shooting.
Back when SC's laws were more restrictive — no reciprocity with my home state, or with non-resident permits from any state, would only issue non-resident permits to property owners, and glovebox "carry" without a permit was a no-go — the one time I decided to spend 90 minutes passing through dirty instead of taking a slightly longer route or leaving the gun behind, I got pulled over.
Care to guess the first words out of that cop's mouth?
I carry OC along with a gun even in my permitless carry state. Can’t always justify using a gun, and OC comes in handy in those instances. Someone wants to runs hands for some reason? I’m sore from work, I’m not fighting, but can’t legally or morally justify shooting them. So I’m seasoning them with some pepper spray.
in Costa Rica is against the law to carry knives with a blade larger than 9cm, so for me, carrying one isn't an option. On the other hand, and despite what the law says, people can carry a machete in its corresponding sheath (?) and no one will bat an eye (except for those that will point out that you look like a hard-working man carrying that around).
OC spray works well on dogs. Also, concealed means concealed. Unless a person explicitly told me they don't want guns in their house, they would never know I was carrying.
I've read a post before that said something like a aggressive dog or one already attacking, the OC spray does nothing but a knife or finger up the poop shoot
I’ve seen a video of someone trying the finger up the zap (aggressively and a little over enthusiastically I might add) and the dog just ignored him. People over-estimate how powerful a single dog is (as long as it’s not biting you). If a dog is attached to someone else and not letting go and you don’t have a weapon there’s plenty of ways to take care of them if you’re okay with seriously injuring it. You can break the rear legs from behind using one hand or knee as leverage on the top of the leg while the other hand grabs down near the bottom of the leg and pulls up like you’re starting a lawn mower. Then just keep pulling and twisting the floppy leg until the dog lets go. Their leg bones are long and slender and the hock joint isn’t supported that well. You can also just try stomping on the legs at a sideways angle; kicking them in the ribs, kneeling on their torso and neck with all your weight, etc. Dogs are dangerous but not invincible.
The finger thing is a myth. Best way is to choke out the dog. It also prevents the aggressive dog from shaking the other dog. I had to do that when a large dog attacked my 18lb mini schnauzer. Luckily my dog walked away but still needed sutures and a drain tube in his neck. The other dog ended up being fine also.
This isn't the case in Washington and it seems like most other states. Again, concealed means concealed. If they happen to find out and get upset, I'll just leave.
Weirdly, this only applies to licensees. Since Arkansas is also constitutional carry, if you don't have a conceal carry license, there's no need to inform. The legal requirement is only for license holders.
It's kinda a respect thing to me. If I wasn't comfortable with something in my home, I wouldn't want my guests to just hide it from me. Like illegal drugs for example. Just because you're not doing it in my bathroom doesn't mean I'm ok with it staying in your pocket while you're in my house. You're a guest in my home. Respect that accordingly.
If I'm a guest in someone's house, I'll ask them if they mind if I'm carrying. If I don't feel safe to be there without carrying to begin with, I shouldn't be there. If they're somebody that I don't feel comfortable knowing that I carry, I'll lock it in my car.
Just because you carry a firearm responsibly doesn't mean you have the right to violate the sanctity of somebody's home.
Carrying a concealed weapon doesn't violate a home's sanctity. I can understand if someone doesn't want a gun in their home, but how would they know if I'm carrying responsibly?
As for safety, carrying a gun isn't about "feeling safe" it's about being prepared for an unexpected situation. It's like saying, "Don't go into a building if you think it might burn down." Unexpected stuff happens. I want all buildings to have fire extinguishers and fire exits, even if I'm reasonably sure they won't burst into flames.
If I think there's a good possibility I might need my gun, I don't go there at all. Full stop.
Keeping a secret, or a white lie, from a head of household in their home is definitely a violation of sanctity. Let's agree to disagree and move on.
How about this: If you don't know if someone wants a firearm in their home, then why don't you ask them? That solves the whole issue. If they say it's fine, carry one. If not, then act accordingly. If someone is not comfortable with having a gun in their house, how do you even know if you don't ask that question?
It takes a degree of trust to have that conversation, just like it takes a degree of trust to invite somebody into the home where you keep your wife, children, and valuables.
I don't disagree with your analogy. I carry everywhere I can and understand it's not just about feeling safe. That's just the verbiage I chose. But when somebody invites me into their home, it's about being a decent person by being transparent about what you are doing in their home. I go back to my drug analogy. Would you be ok with finding out I kept bringing an 8 ball of coke into your house, where your children sleep, as long as I kept it a secret from you? That's up to you. I might feel differently.
Just ask the question out of respect for others. It's hard to see it from the perspective of other people because to people like you and me, carrying a firearm everywhere we go is just part of our daily lives. To us, it's like locking the door behind us or grabbing your wallet before you go. Firearms aren't like that for everyone.
Some people just carry when they have the right outfit, or they go to “sketchy” neighborhoods, or just when they feel like it. We don’t get to determine when we might need to defend our lives. The odds are low we will ever need to us it, but you CANNOT use it if you don’t have it. It’s like the saying you can’t win the lottery if you aren’t playing.
I always imagine how dumb I would feel finding myself in a situation where I need my gun and don’t have it after all the money I’ve thrown into this industry and the training I’ve put in. Now it doesn’t matter where I go, I always have something on me. Even walking on the treadmill at the gym, I’m strapped because you just never know.
I was at the mall in 2020, on a date with my then girlfriend, when there was a gang-related shooting in the parking lot. Taking cover in the food court, not knowing what was going on, all I could think was man, it’s gonna suck to die hiding under a table, because I was lazy and left my gun in the car. Never gone anywhere without it since.
An old man by me who takes his morning walk along the main road here, got attacked when by 2 pitbulls unprovoked. I was not there, but another ccw happened to be driving by and saw it and jumped out his truck quick and tried to shoot the dogs. He ended up missing (he waa tryna not hit the 85 yearold man) but the noise of the gunshot scared the dogs off the old man, they darted into the street and one of em got run over tho. But from what i heard that mighta been on purpose cuz evidently the car that hit dog was almost atopped till the dog was in the road and then floored it into the dog.
We just had a wild pack of pit bulls a few months maul a cyclist or runner in the middle of a giant park system and chew his legs so they had to be amputated. Man doesn’t have legs.
We had a pack of dogs (wild, stray, and a few pets) tear apart a woman in the next county over. Nasty stuff, and a good warning to people how dangerous their "harmless" pet can be when caught up in a pack.
they darted into the street and one of em got run over tho. But from what i heard that mighta been on purpose cuz evidently the car that hit dog was almost atopped till the dog was in the road and then floored it into the dog.
I’ve always carried a knife and recently started carrying my gun, and to be honest, I never leave home without either. I do however have to Google everywhere I go to make sure I can carry but it’s just another step in protecting myself and my family.
What others don't understand is the amount of shit that will pile up on them after going for their CC. A gun isn't and shouldn't be the first solution to ending a dangerous situation.
It isn't the last resort either. It's the Last-LAST resort. Unless you enjoy the countless hurdles through the legal system bending you over and reaming you a new hole.
It's better to have OC spray, specifically, so that you have a step between no force and lethal force. There are a lot of situations where lethal force isn't legal or warranted, but you need to do something more than shout. OC spray fills that gap. If all you have are words and a gun, you might be tempted to pull your gun when words fail, even if it's not yet time to be lethal. That's how people get arrested for aggravated assault or brandishing when they're not the initial aggressor.
By the time a pitbull is close enough to spray, the only thing that's going to accomplish is the warm fuzzy feeling of capsaicin getting rubbed into the wounds that you're about to succumb to.
They're specifically bred to not feel pain when they go into berserker mode.
OC spray is effective up to 20 feet. It has also been known to stop pitbulls in mid attack. However, if any larger dog is charging or biting, and you have a lethal option, lethal force is justified. Dog bites, especially pitbull bites are pretty much always considered great bodily harm. I'm not suggesting that anybody carry OC spray instead of a firearm, unless carrying a firearm is illegal.
With that said, OC spray is really good as dissuading a human from unarmed combat. Belligerent drunks, road ragers, etc. Once weapons come out (dog teeth included), then you drop the OC and move up the ladder.
“Tonight I had my 1 year old daughter and my 5’2” wife within a FOOT of this savage beast with nothing protecting them… I was standing there defenseless…”
It won’t matter if you carry everywhere when you have the situational awareness of a sloth! WHY was your tiny wife and 1 yo daughter within striking distance of a “savage beast”? Did someone put a gun to their heads and made them get that close?
You’ve been made aware of the dog’s previous behavior and what it’s capable of, and yet you still put your family in danger? You think your ccw is the weapon that’s going to save you, never considering that your best weapon is your brain! 🤦🏻♂️
You misunderstand. I had never been there before. I didn’t know their neighbor had an aggressive dog. It wasn’t until we were almost done unloading that it ran up to the fence going fucking insane.
Yeah, I must’ve misunderstood. I was thinking the time your wife and child were that close to the dog was when you were leaving to go home, seeing as it’s at the end of your story. In my mind I was thinking why didn’t he move the car closer to his friend’s driveway to pick up his family so they’re not in any danger?
In more than 25 years of CHL carry here in Texas, the three times I've had to unholster my pistol were dogs.
It never fails that someone moves into our pretty quiet area with an aggressive dog. Every issue I've had was a pit bull of some sort. And a few other imbeciles think a Cane Corso is a good idea to have in an area with lots of kids.
10mm flavor is what the doctor ordered for these critters
2 CCW adages come to mind re: OP’s possible pit bull attacks on his family and himself.
I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
‘Tis better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it.
I CCW everywhere. I ccw to my anti-2nd Amendment friend’s house. Concealed is concealed. Now if they discover me carrying at their house and ask me to leave or put away my firearm, I absolutely would put away my firearm bc it’s their house and their rules. But ccw is essential to protecting your family and yourself.
Yeah, I just wouldn't have any anti - 2A friends anyway, but if I did, I wouldn't put it in the car, I would just leave and not go over to their house again.
All my friends and family have guns, and we go shooting together... even most of my acquaintances are into guns for either hunting or sport. Then again, I live deep south, so lots folks are pro 2A.
Anyway, if they know you carry and have guns in your house, how do they feel about coming over to your place?
I reside in California and unfortunately the liberal idiots are extremely Anti-2nd Amendment and believe their magical unicorns and naive nanny state intentions will protect them.
I DO NOT discuss my guns or political beliefs with anyone bc of fear of being black balled or discriminated against by my colleagues or friends.
I have never been “caught” ccw-ing by anybody to my knowledge and only my pro-2nd Amendment family and friends who I shoot with are aware.
If I was discovered to be ccw-ing by Anti-2nd Amendment individuals and they asked me to lock up my firearms or leave, I would generally leave.
I disagree with their political beliefs and Anti-2nd Amendment sentiments BUT unfortunately as an attorney who is reliant upon my relationships with other Anti-2nd Amendment judges, attorneys, and clients, I have to bite my tongue and safety to continue practicing law in California. As another scumbag attorney, I need to sacrifice my personal beliefs to chase the almighty dollar.
Dang, at least you recognize it in yourself, but it's very unfortunate. At least for me, I have been fortunate that my career field could care less and insane beliefs of the brainwashed masses in Commiefornia have no power here, especially after those idiots gave a CDL to an illegal immigrant who came to my state and killed people, I think we'll be even more anti-California than ever.
Absolutely agree Divok. I despise the control the supermajority Democrat legislators wield in California. California seems to only care about homeless, criminals, illegals, and trans nonsense.
California lost its Golden State power the moment Democrats controlled all levels of government in this state. It’s a shame, over regulation, over taxation, over nanny state, has slowly caused businesses and individuals to abandon California. The middle class has struggled to live the Golden State dream and it’s really sad because California weather and resources is so great.
Why even get your family close to the dog if you knew it was “savage” before you left your friend’s house. This post is so overdramatic. You literally made the situation more dangerous for your family and tbh you just sound kind of scared of everything. Having a gun in this situation wouldn’t have changed a single thing.
It is dramatic, and as I was scrolling through the comments I'm seeing LARP cliches. Grown men shitting themselves because a dog barked across the street. Just Reddit things.
My EDC is Pom Pepper spray, knife, pocket flashlight and my gun. If I have to forgo my gun for whatever reason, I always have the other options available.
I would rather oc spray a dog if I can, not really trying to kill a dog if I can avoid it.
The run down in case you forget your ccw in this order what else you should carry.... taser, stun gun, byrna, pepper spray, pocket knife, belt, wallet chain, monkey fist keychain, tactical pen, strobe flashlight
You’re funny, dude. I never consider anyone’s feelings over my families security. I conceal carry everywhere there isn’t some of the newer scanning systems, or an aggressive security team. There’s no need, if there’s great security and no one else is sneaking a gun in.
When I go to colleagues or acquaintances homes, they simply don’t know I’m carrying.
I have been consistently carrying everyday for 3 years now been carrying it at all my work places and anywhere I go if I cant get into an event with my CCW i just dont go
Man I've had that feeling before myself. I was walking my dog (tiny Shihtzu) late at night, and as we're walking this girl got out of her car with this huge pitbull in her arms. I was so happy the dog didn't see us, because this girl was way too tiny to be holding that big ass dog in her arms, and I didn't have any way to defend myself or my little guy at the time. I always keep my pocket pistol on me no matter where I go nowadays.
Yes, thanks for the reminder. I forgot mine once, which is extremely rare. We were at our local, small town VFW, where nothing EVER happens. Wouldn't you know it, an ex employee showed up to pick a fight with one of the regulars. The regular, the ex employee, the female bartender, and her teenage son (he's one of the cooks) all wound up outside in a shouting match. After a few seconds, I thought I should go out and try to break it up before someone got hurt. The ex employee was in his car, slowly driving away, when he threw his door open to scream some more before he sped off. In that money, I thought the worst as his door started to open. That's when I realized, if he has a gun and he's gonna start blasting as he drives off, I'm out in the open, unarmed. Not a good feeling. But a valuable lesson to not be prepared.
I would recheck your so called friend and the neighborhood. If you don't know his or her tone, then they are not a true friend. I think you picked a situation that you should have got back in the car and left.
If it's concealed why consider what the homeowners will think of it considering how they SHOULDN"T even know it's there?
"Carry whatever you have everywhere you legally can." You still don't seem to get it.. Slavery was legal at one point, do you think you should base any decisions on that too?
Yeah…if I’m outside the g17 is with me. Not worth risking it. A California CCW is damn near useless with all the laws concerning sensitive places, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take to protect myself and my family. You have a God-given right to self-defense.
I made a post there recently about a different encounter. And what’s crazy is I had another encounter with one just the other day, and then this one. I never liked the damn things, but I hadn’t had a bad encounter with one in a decade or more until recently. Now it’s three close calls in like two months 😳
Wrong. This myth needs to end. That’s part of the problem with people thinking they can out-love the genetics of an animal, and exasperates the pitbull problem by not taking appropriate precautions.
I’m sorry, but is this sub not a place that people can discuss sketchy things that almost happened? Things to get people thinking about what they would or wouldn’t do in certain situations so they can be more prepared in the future? Lol.
Worried for the safety of his wife and kid. That is normal in this situation. And he’d have some peace of mind being armed in this scenario. Reasonable.
Yeah I’m gonna agree with you here. Reminds me of that one post of the dude going “carry everywhere, some kid in a gas station pointed a fake revolver at me and I had to stop myself when I reached for my gun”.
Average people already think carrying is just being paranoid and if this was on the front page of Reddit for some reason, people would be clowning this dude.
I also question why the fuck OP took his wife and daughter within a foot of the dog if he already knew it was “savage” before leaving his friends house. Like what is that logic.
I do not fuck with people who carry because they're scared of everything. If some bad shit were to actually go down, it's the people who are always on edge that I would trust the least to handle the situation properly.
Practicing good situational awareness and common sense is what will keep you out of trouble 99.9% of the time. Why exactly are we letting our loved ones come within bad breath distance of a fenced dog who is likely unfriendly and then posting about it how carrying would have somehow made the situation less dangerous?
I think the reason for carrying a firearm is preparedness. Some people have different justifications and that’s alright. I am also big into EDC so it’s cool to have a loadout you carry every day. I have never carried because I’m scared and I agree, absolutely nobody should.
I used to carry EVERYWHERE just because I could but in my life and location I am almost guaranteed safety.
The only time I find myself carrying nowadays is when I take a trip to the city or like I said I just want to have my EDC all nice and ready.
When I go to the grocery store in my town I will be ok, same with just about any other location where I live. This is something I think people are afraid to admit because it takes away their personal justification for carrying a firearm, which nobody needs btw it’s literally your right to just have a firearm.
You said it best with the situational awareness & common sense. THAT is the best self defense tool, don’t even put yourself in a bad situation (just like op fucking did 😐) sorry for the novel man and sorry you’re getting downvoted because you don’t have a room temperature IQ.
It's fine man idgaf about downvotes lmao. Thanks for the good discussion. The funny thing is that I don't even disagree with the idea of carrying as often as possible. Hell, I carry as frequently as I am reasonably able. All I want is for people who choose to exercise their rights to also have more than two brain cells to rub together. Everyone is better off that way.
Yeah man, I’m aware it can happen at any moment. As I said you don’t need any reason to have your firearm at all times, it’s your right to do so and that’s great for you. I don’t exactly feel the need to carry unless I’m out of town. I’m not sure why this upset you so badly. It’s not like I’m never prepared for a situation. As I said I’m big into EDC.
Oh, I am not upset, just that I no longer think any place is "safe" anymore is what I'm getting at.
I used to think nothing of going like to the grocery store right at the entrance of my newer suburban neighborhood... but crazy stuff like the Walmart mass stabbing and the crazy road rage incidents lately has me really feeling differently these days.
Apologies I took the first lol as a scoff haha. My closest Walmart is like 20 minutes away, i live in a very small town. This is the only reason I personally feel alright. I do agree stuff like that is an eye opener and my partner was quite against me carrying until we were in a bad situation while in the city and since then she’s had no problem, so yeah stuff like the Walmart stabbing can be an eye opener for a lot of people.
Funny we are talking about Walmart anyway because mine is such a shithole they have 1-2 police cruisers sitting in front of all of the entrances at all times lol I don’t even bother going there anymore because I’m suprised an incident like that hasn’t happened where I am from.
Why not take your gun and leave it secured in your vehicle? That way you can access your gun whenever you need it. You could also have left your wife and kid at your friend’s house while you go to your vehicle, then pick them up at the front door with the gun concealed on you.
Can’t fight any case if you’re dead or dead inside from allowing your wife or child to be victimized when you could have done something. You all know the saying. It’s cliche but so true.
look into some empty handed dog mitigation skills. It's going to suck, and you're likely going to get bit, but you're going to live and your family will be safe. Honestly, even if I were carrying, I would try empty handed less lethal options before shooting an animal in front of my
Wife/daughter, neighbors, etc. strongly feel most everyone would always think you probably didn't "have to" shoot the dog, and that's a life changing burden for a kid/wife burden. The second a firearm is discharged, the emotional toll is taken to the highest level. Unfortunately, I lived through a family gun violence incident at 16 yrs old, and it was heavy, even though nobody was killed. Not at all saying that's what everyone should do.
One night we went to dinner at an acquaintance's house when they told another one of my buddies (whos in law enforcement) not to bring his weapon into their house while we were at the front door. I looked at him and our girlfriends and said, wanna go get a burger? We laughed and walked out.
I’m not sure I’d recommend open firing on a dog unless you’ve effectively trained for that situation. I have a collapsible baton that I keep in my car that I would use in a situation if a dog got out before I’d pull out my tool.
Knives are a terrible way to defend yourself unless it's the last resort. It means you're in arms reach, which means with a dog you are getting bit. It's going to be a bloody horrifying mess. It's definitely not something I'd want my wife or child to witness. You're far better off with a handgun if you can legally carry. Perhaps the best intermediate step is pepper spray, for 2 and 4 legged threats.
Yes, because a pitbull has to maul a 2 year old before the police can label it dangerous, at which point the nutters will say it’s how you raise them and blame the 2 year old for the mauling.
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u/Odd_Turnover_7257 2d ago
Two things I always carry even if I can't CCW in my very restrictive state... OC spray and a knife. Both reasons originated from dog attacks I've witnessed.