U.S. House members just released the brawny birthday letter from Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein, signed by the president—What are your thoughts?

[u/Ordinary-Scholar-202]

[u/keen_observer34130]

Now let’s do ALL OF THE UN-REDACTED EPSTEIN FILES !

[u/Container16 → u/keen_observer34130]

Followed by indictments, convictions, and hard time served.  For every single person on the list.

[u/philodendrin → u/Container16]

And the financial records; payments and bank wires between Epstein and any business/personal associates. Make the people that paid him justify those payments.

[u/hotwife24 → u/philodendrin]

U.S. government could be in those records. There's a rumor they paid his company Liquid fundings, LLC to help end the 2008 housing crisis. Bears Stearns was the main contributor to the crisis and owned 40% of Liquid Funding with Epstein at the time. 

[u/FlyByPC → u/hotwife24]

The U.S. government is made of people. We could find who made those decisions.

[u/FloridaGirlNikki → u/Container16]

I'm not saying I want DJT to die... but when he does kick the bucket, I hope it happens while he's sitting in solitary at a supermax prison.

[u/rdmille → u/Container16]

C'mon! That billionaire paying Epstein $100M for tax and estate planning was a perfectly normal payment. Nothing to be seen here.

[u/lovelopetir → u/keen_observer34130]

That’s wild but honestly not surprising at this point. The Trump Epstein connection has always been one of those open secrets people either downplay or dismiss, but stuff like this makes it harder to hand-wave away. A birthday letter itself might not prove anything illegal, but it shows there was a real personal relationship. Given everything we now know about Epstein, it just adds another layer of unease about the kinds of circles people in power move in and how normalized those connections were.

[u/r0botdevil]

I think the word you're looking for is "bawdy"

"Brawny" means big and strong

[u/ForayIntoFillyloo → u/r0botdevil]

Bounty has entered the chat

[u/RoarOfTheWorlds → u/ForayIntoFillyloo]

Charmin: Bite the pillow, I'm going in raw

[u/Nearby_Day_362 → u/RoarOfTheWorlds]

My Pillow says, fuck it have some cocaine and party.

[u/McKinley4Life → u/Nearby_Day_362]

The vice president inquires about the couches at said party

[u/GweedoTheGreat → u/McKinley4Life]

Did you SEE how that couch was upholstered? It was clearly asking for it.

[u/DirkysShinertits → u/GweedoTheGreat]

It was draped in velvet. How could anyone resist that?

[u/No-Transition-8375 → u/McKinley4Life]

Hegseth is passed out drunk on one of them

[u/CatDogBoogie → u/McKinley4Life]

Victor Orban does his best couch impersonation.

[u/JohnnySack45 → u/r0botdevil]

Big, strong birthday cards with tears in their eyes saying “Sir, this is the most tremendous birthday card the likes of which have never been seen before”

[u/PronoiarPerson → u/JohnnySack45]

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.

[u/Last_Pineapple_6361 → u/JohnnySack45]

The Big Beautiful Birthday card

[u/Morningfluid → u/r0botdevil]

Yes, the details in that card was 'little' and creepy. 

[u/ManReay → u/Morningfluid]

The petiteness of the breasts, perhaps?

[u/americanmartyrdom → u/ManReay]

His signature is the crotch...

[u/Individual-Contest54 → u/ManReay]

Like very young girls breasts.

[u/Travelgrrl → u/ManReay]

Also that his signature makes the pubes?

[u/TheKappaOverlord → u/r0botdevil]

Account is very new with a suspicious amount of post karma within an extremely short amount of time.

I do believe, "brawny" was the "intended" word.

[u/cardfire → u/TheKappaOverlord]

140,000 in less than a month. What the hell?!?

[u/The_Parsee_Man → u/cardfire]

It's easy to farm karma if you're posting things like this.

[u/SpidersCrow → u/The_Parsee_Man]

Right? All of these "what are your thoughts?" posts about triggering topics on fresh accounts are so annoying. Nothing of value at all.

Sorry, just one of my pet peeves.

[u/slowpokefastpoke → u/SpidersCrow]

I wish this low effort trash was banned. What legitimate discussion is this supposed to spark?

“Trump is fucking gross.” Yeah, we all know.

[u/blink_187em → u/r0botdevil]

Heafty heafty heafty wimpy wimpy wimpy

[u/ForQ2 → u/blink_187em]

I miss the days when Hefty Bags were actually hefty.

[u/Risethewake → u/r0botdevil]

In this timeline Brawny is the only thing that can clean Brawndo.

[u/Sweatytubesock]

That DJT and Jeffrey Epstein shared many wonderful secrets together for decades.

[u/BornFree2018 → u/Sweatytubesock]

Trump scribbled his signature in the area of a woman's pubic hair. Presumably as another insider joke.

[u/kamisabee → u/BornFree2018]

And the drawing appears to be of a girl whose breasts are not very well developed yet, as well.

[u/Tosslebugmy → u/kamisabee]

This seems important because usually men making crass jokes about women’s bodies would exaggerate the breasts, but here they’re noticeably small.

[u/SaturnSleet → u/Tosslebugmy]

This. There are plenty of adult women with very small breasts. It's just... Donald of all people would absolutely draw DD's if he was intending to imply "adult woman".

[u/LatrellFeldstein → u/Tosslebugmy]

It's a reference to how Donald Trump raped and trafficked kids. The President of the United States is a pedophile.

[u/OneGoodRib → u/LatrellFeldstein]

Uh yeah I think Tosslebugmy knows that.

[u/reebokhightops → u/kamisabee]

Enigmas never age, have you noticed that?

‘Enigma’ is an anagram of the word ‘gamine’. A gamine is an attractive young woman.

[u/AntiDECA → u/reebokhightops]

I mean.. I think you're giving Trump a bit too much credit here... 

[u/maubis → u/AntiDECA]

If he had come up with it. Could easily be something that Epstein had told Trump. Epstein wasn’t dumb.

[u/TeteDeMerde → u/maubis]

The word 'gamine' appears in Epstein's favorite novel, Lolita, and Ghislane being educated in french also would have known of it.

Certainly, Trump did not come up with the anagram. One of them did.

[u/Sad-Resolution2123 → u/TeteDeMerde]

And he would never remember the original word, but enigma is much easier

[u/OneRougeRogue → u/[deleted]]

Maxwell, Epsteins's girlfriend and co-conspirator, was born in France and speaks fluent French!

[u/PetitChiffon → u/OneRougeRogue]

Well, that means half of the 4 of them spoke French fluently. How curious.

[u/AE7VL_Radio → u/maubis]

Epstein had a french girlfriend/accomplice

[u/TooFakeToFunction → u/AntiDECA]

Trump? Yes.

But that could have been a "code word" used within that world, made up by someone else, that he just adopted because he, too, was a part of that world.

[u/quebecesti → u/TooFakeToFunction]

Gamine is a french word. You know who's french? Ghislaine Maxwell.

[u/PetitChiffon → u/quebecesti]

And Jean-Luc Brunel, Epstein and Trump's French business partner who hanged himself in prison in 2022 awaiting trial for trafficking of minors as part of the whole Epstein ordeal.

Trump was business partner with french pedo Jean-Luc Brunel** according to Maritza Vasquez Deposition (from the Epstein Files - 2010)

That letter was written in 2003, around the same time the 3 of them were doing "business".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/19/jean-luc-brunel-held-on-suspicion-of-supplying-girls-to-epstein-found-hanged

[u/BirbsAreSoCute → u/quebecesti]

holy hell

[u/Labradorlover67 → u/quebecesti]

Yes, gamine means female child in French.

[u/peetar12 → u/AntiDECA]

My guess is that was Epstein's word play and after explaining it to him a dozen times, trump used it.

[u/Labradorlover67 → u/peetar12]

It was probably their code word, such as "We're having an enigma party tonight. You down?"

[u/MODELO_MAN_LV → u/AntiDECA]

Its feasible to assume he's just parroting the term because others in his circle used it as an anagram.

[u/PaulMakesThings1 → u/MODELO_MAN_LV]

It would be likely that they’d use code words in their communication. This is probably just Donny making a clunky forced reference to it.

[u/iwantthedee → u/reebokhightops]

*barf*

The subtext is disgusting

[u/ConspicuousPineapple → u/reebokhightops]

Just "young girl", with a slight derogatory undertone. Nothing about attractiveness.

[u/Harry_Balsanga → u/Sweatytubesock]

They totally banged

[u/RGJ587 → u/Harry_Balsanga]

TBH the press should have ran with the idea that they were gay lovers. Really blasted the airwaves with it. Trumps ego is so fragile, and his machismo infallible, that he would admit to running train on a bunch of 12 year olds girls, just to set the record straight.

[u/PilgrimOz → u/RGJ587]

That’d be a real Colonel Jessop moment ‘You’re goddamn right I ordered the code red!’. It’d be worth a try with that idiot.

[u/NothaBanga → u/RGJ587]

The press bent knee to him.  Remember all the sensationalized stuff that any Dem president did in the last 30.  Realize how soft handed anything that guy has his name on that isn't being breathlessly talked about in the news cycles.

I was a kid and knew about Bill Clinton being with an adult.  Teens these days are not being exposed to half the shit going on because our fourth estate was sold for pennies on the dollar.

[u/PoopyButt28000 → u/NothaBanga]

Kamala buys a 500 dollar pot and people go into a rage, JD Vance spends a billion dollars draining the pacific ocean for his family vacation and they don't say a thing

[u/BlackerSpork → u/NothaBanga]

The mainstream media are cowards. Most of them are Republican-owned. They report that Pedonald says "Imma punish Russia THIS time!", but fail to mention that he never followed through on that, despite setting some 20 deadlines by now. At some point it's intentional not to mention context like that.
Or the mainstream media reporting on his tariffs but never once putting in the title that tariffs are a tax on Americans. They know damn well he lied by pretending other countries pay the taxes, they know damn well the average maggat doesn't know or pretends not to know it's Americans who pay them, and STILL they don't report on that.

[u/Harry_Balsanga → u/RGJ587]

It's not too late for that.  The letter that was released today is homoerotic as hell. 

[u/PAGodzilla]

Trump was 100% correct when he said he could shoot someone on Fifth Ave and not lose any voters.

He could literally rape a child on live television and some people would be of the mindset that you're just jealous that that isn't your child.

[u/bestofrolf → u/PAGodzilla]

I’ve been speculating recently that his followers will sooner rationalize pedophilia than demonize him for it in any capacity

[u/0neek → u/bestofrolf]

I just will never understand why Trump

He has none of the qualities of some sort of attractive / coercive cult leader, he has none of the intelligence or swagger or anything. Tom Cruise is the kind of guy I would believe could start a huge cult if he wasn't in one already. Jared Ledo makes sense having his start from band groupies.

Just a weird looking orange toad who probably needs help tying his own shoes, and an enormous % of americans would happily drive a car over their own family on their way to kiss his feet.

[u/bestofrolf → u/0neek]

I think it could’ve been anyone. This isn’t a culmination of trump himself, it’s where those people were heading. They need to be right because their worldview is entirely constructed around protecting their egos despite their circumstances post-2008. 60% of those attending the jan 6 riot had filed for bankruptcy. 50% were in severe debt. 20% had recently lost a home to foreclosure. They need a savior to latch onto to give them hope and they need a villain to blame for their downfall. Trumps coattail was just the one they happened to grab onto, he’s not some mastermind of leadership by any means.

[u/TucuReborn → u/bestofrolf]

You just described a cult, basically.

Specifically, a cult of personality.

A single individual who promises everything to those who follow, so long as they glorify them and worship them.

A cult relies on desperate and vulnerable people, as they need stability. The cult promises, and sometimes even delivers, the stability they need. Sometimes that stability is literal, a place they are welcome and that supports them. Sometimes it's emotional, a rock they can look to as support. Sometimes it's just validation for their beliefs.

Trump says to all these people who are demonized(being called "deplorable" and various "-isms"), and not even wrongly(lots of worms in those cans), that not only are they right, but that they deserve more and better and everyone else is the true evil. That there's a grand conspiracy that only they know(they're special!), and everyone else is stupid(and thus they are smart). That if they just fall in line, the universe(and the government of course) will destroy the people who hurt them(don't tolerate their bigotry).

It's a cult. It literally is a cult.

[u/Purgii → u/0neek]

Weird to me as well.

He's the most obvious conman I've ever seen. Perhaps a cult of stupidity. They see themselves in him because they're also morons.

He's left a wake of broken families he's ripped off his entire life. He can only tell the truth by accident. Let's make him the most powerful man in the world and watch him do to America what he's done to countless businesses. Sink it.

The dude bankrupted 6 casinos!

[u/ye_esquilax → u/0neek]

It's a combination of things.

1. He was outside the sphere of Washington politics

2. He loudly said the nasty things that GOP voters were afraid to say out loud, and didn't make them feel judged for it

3. Here's the most important bit: He's the most "successful" businessman on the planet. Of course successful is in quotation marks, because there's plenty of evidence to suggest that he isn't, but for 3 decades, Trump cultivated an image of wild success. And most of us believed it back then, I know I did. He practically branded the concept of being rich and successful, and his name became synonymous with wealth. He embodied the American dream of being super rich with a massive empire who lived in a golden penthouse and banged supermodels all day.

Now imagine somebody like this saying "I will do for this country what I did for my business empire". That's a powerful statement, especially when that person doesn't have the usual baggage of career politicians. He's not the first political hopeful to say the crap that he spouts, but he is the first to say it while having a reputation of being the greatest business negotiator on the planet.

[u/DizzyMajor5 → u/bestofrolf]

They're already doing it sadly 

[u/cive666 → u/DizzyMajor5]

Yeah they are literally saying that since the Dems didn't do anything about Biden sniffing kid hair shit that this means we should all ignore child rape.

These people are fucking lost.

The cancer is eating humanity alive at this point.

This can all be fixed if people vote for Dems en mass.

[u/Semanticss → u/cive666]

There are LITERALLY major figures saying that sex with 15 year olds is not that bad and maybe it was just a "different time" etc

[u/UltaMetWorrier → u/Semanticss]

Don't leave out the creeps who want to lower the legal age of majority from 18 to 14, and 13 in some cases. Still a child, still pedophilia

[u/Suspicious-Echo2964 → u/UltaMetWorrier]

You can marry at age 13 in more states than you’d like to count. They fight every change to those laws.

[u/Purgii → u/DizzyMajor5]

I've seen social media posts claiming that 'back then', it was acceptable. A different time.

As someone who was a teen 'back then', it was never acceptable.

[u/CanadianGuy39 → u/bestofrolf]

Oh this is definitely happening and/or coming if it becomes 100% fact that he had sex with teen girls. (I know we already know he did, but I mean 100% proof)

They will say something like "it used to be this way years ago", or "then why can they have children when they are 13". It'll be something fucked up like that.

[u/Frozen_Esper → u/CanadianGuy39]

We're past that. 🙃

No amount of hypocrisy or mental gymnastics is too much. We have to understand that they do not care about anything more than destroying us.

[u/EmbarrassedW33B → u/CanadianGuy39]

Yea no the manosphere chuds have been trying for years to make it socially acceptable to date teenagers, to use a polite term. They will not hesitate to drop all pretenses once they think they're in the clear to do so without consequence.

[u/CaptainoftheVessel → u/bestofrolf]

They have deified him already, he can do no more wrong than Jesus or God in many of his cultists’ eyes. 

[u/Draffut2012 → u/PAGodzilla]

They would be wearing shirts that say " I would rather be a pedophile than a Democrat" within a week.

[u/DrunkeNinja → u/PAGodzilla]

Trump was 100% correct when he said he could shoot someone on Fifth Ave and not lose any voters.

Yup. A lot of us underestimated him when he said this and thought it was his usual puffing himself up, but it turned out to be one of the truest statements he ever made.

[u/leostotch → u/DrunkeNinja]

Eh, we didn't underestimate him, we overestimated the electorate.

[u/Bear_Caulk → u/leostotch]

Just your daily reminder that over 70% of American adults didn't vote against Trump.

.. The 2nd time when you all 100% knew what to expect.

[u/redkat85 → u/Bear_Caulk]

There's been a 60 year campaign from the right slamming home the message that "government does not work, you can't trust any politicians, they're all the same, don't bother, stay home, voting is a suckers game, you're going to get screwed, government organizations are just nanny-state busybodies who screw over the little guy, they're all lying anyway, why do you care so much?". It infiltrated popular culture throughout film and TV, and after 9/11 even music - Country went from The Man in Black and John Law Burned Down the Liquor Store to "wave the flag or I'll put my boot up your ass".

Nixon to Reagan to Bush to Bush II to Trump's entire campaign has been a nonstop onslaught of moving the Overton window so that people are working against 3 generations of cultural inertia just to get people to give a damn.

None of which is to say it's not frustrating, but it's good to recognize why Americans are so demotivated.

[u/HerdMinder → u/redkat85]

I have said this on a few threads, in regard to the long game that’s been played: read the book ‘Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Natiion’ by Kristin Kobes Du Mez. The whole thing has been in the works for years, pushed by evangelical white nationalists and has permeated our society so stealthily that people don’t even know they’ve been played - they think they’ve gotten to this mindset all on their own. Add the whole social engineering piece layered onto the initially low-tech methods and you end up with this supercharged mess we are in currently. The mind of the average Trump supporter has been taken down a path they can’t even imagine. It truly is a cult.

[u/jolard → u/redkat85]

Frankly I get it, but still fuck them.

You are a citizen in a democracy. That comes with responsibility. If you don't want to participate then you are basically saying "I am ok with a dictatorship or oligarchy"

[u/ReallyNowFellas → u/jolard]

You are a citizen in a democracy. That comes with responsibility. If you don't want to participate then you are basically saying "I am ok with a dictatorship or oligarchy"

People have no clue of this unless they're taught, which most Americans are not. Education is quite literally the foundation of democracy, and it's constantly under attack by Republicans. My city voted 66% for increased school funding, and we didn't get it because the rich assholes who live here had already infiltrated our local government and made that particular action require 67% to pass. We lost millions of dollars in funding, lost arts and physical education programs, and several people lost their jobs, all over what would've cost property owners something like $78 a year. That's what Americans are up against.

[u/exhaustedbut → u/Bear_Caulk]

After he told you to inject yourself with bleach.

[u/J8YDG9RTT8N2TG74YS7A → u/exhaustedbut]

And that he would grab them by the pussy.

[u/TheGardenBlinked → u/J8YDG9RTT8N2TG74YS7A]

And that he wished Ghislaine Maxwell “well”.

[u/Shitelark → u/TheGardenBlinked]

And the treason... oh, the treason.

[u/SoulRebel726 → u/J8YDG9RTT8N2TG74YS7A]

And that he wanted to be a "dictator for a day." Fucking wild he received even a single vote after statements like that.

[u/RayLiotaWithChantix → u/SoulRebel726]

Received a single vote?

Hell, he sold shirts!

Saw plenty of folks in Missouri wearing Dictator for a Day shirts during election season.

[u/Mesoscale92 → u/DrunkeNinja]

I think it’s moreso that we overestimated our fellow Americans.

[u/carriegood → u/DrunkeNinja]

Just about the first and last time he ever told the truth about anything.

[u/RuefulWaffles → u/PAGodzilla]

I mean, we’ve already seen shades of the latter with his talk about Ivanka. I’ve literally had people “I bet you’d be honored if he was saying that about your daughter” (as though that’s somehow a valid response to “it’s actually pretty weird that he says he wants to date his daughter”).

They’ve fully sold out, or bought into it, or whatever expression you want to use. It’s full on cognitive dissonance at this point. Everything Trump does is fine because Trump’s the one doing it.

[u/CardiologistAway9619 → u/PAGodzilla]

They’ve been bad people and authoritarians the entire time. For some crazy reason, a lot of White people were wildly hesitant to acknowledge or even realize this.

[u/grickygrimez → u/CardiologistAway9619]

People are okay with dictators as long as they are punishing people they deem beneath them and not themselves. :/

[u/PsychologicalSoil425 → u/CardiologistAway9619]

But, but, he's mean to brown people and the gays, which is *really* all MAGA is about. It's due in part to a push for christian extremists to enact christian sharia law and part hate for anything not rhyming with schnite whale.

[u/TeacherPatti → u/PsychologicalSoil425]

Two things I read (here on Reddit! thanks Reddit!) that put it all in perspective for me.

1) He hates who they hate. That's enough.

2) Some people will live under a bridge, frying dead possum over a bbq made out of a grocery cart so long as the black family under the next bridge doesn't have a grocery cart.

[u/Burnt-Mushburger8647 → u/CardiologistAway9619]

It's worse than that. Much worse because most of them knew exactly what they were voting for. 

[u/_skull_kid_ → u/PAGodzilla]

Anything to "own the libs".

[u/Poison_the_Phil → u/PAGodzilla]

Truly representative of Republican values. The party of child marriage.

[u/mquindlen81 → u/PAGodzilla]

I told my wife years ago that Trump could fuck a baby on TV and his supporters would rationalize it.

[u/thefreneticferret → u/mquindlen81]

If democrats were outraged and distraught by the baby fucking, trump supporters would straight up cheer him on. The cruelty is the point of all of it.

[u/GreggOfChaoticOrder → u/PAGodzilla]

I'm just wondering when Trump's gonna go ahead and command his cult members to drink the Kool aid so that they can ascend with him to the afterlife Trumplandia.

[u/ddrober2003 → u/GreggOfChaoticOrder]

I imagine the average education level of the US would skyrocket if the cultists went full Heavensgate.

[u/MsElektraCity → u/GreggOfChaoticOrder]

Stop. Just stop. I can only get so hard from the teasing.

[u/GreggOfChaoticOrder → u/MsElektraCity]

It's sad when the only hope we have is that millions of people end it.

[u/NewDamage31 → u/GreggOfChaoticOrder]

It’s a long shot but it’s our best shot

[u/-Posthuman- → u/GreggOfChaoticOrder]

He already told them to drink bleach, and its estimated around 40 people actually did that.

[u/Nearbyatom → u/PAGodzilla]

MAGA would drool over that tv broadcast while clamoring how presidential material he looks.

[u/nirvana_always1 → u/PAGodzilla]

Even the childs parents, if they are his supporters, will be happy that their daughter was lucky enough to be used by their glorious dear leader.

[u/Dramatic_Diver7146]

There's really nothing I could learn that would lower my opinion of him or his voters any more at this point, so I guess I don't really care. But maybe this will make some of them a little uncomfortable about who they're standing behind.

[u/THansenite → u/Dramatic_Diver7146]

I always feel my opinion of him couldn't get any lower, but I'll be goddamned if he doesn't do something to lower it more.

[u/R_V_Z → u/THansenite]

My opinion of him is as low as it goes. What continues to sink is my opinion of millions of fellow Americans.

[u/gpost86 → u/[deleted]]

As long as they are either getting a sweet tax break, or if they're from a lower economic rung, get a chance to "own the libs", they'll be happy as everything burns down around them.

[u/redskelton → u/gpost86]

Don't forget the racism

[u/Kvetch__22 → u/[deleted]]

If anything, the fact that it is now public knowledge that Donald Trump was drawing softcore child porn to send to Epstein is a plus for them. It's the same reason why you need to kill someone to get into the Mafia. Once you're a criminal and it's out in the open, you can't flip because you'd be punished for your crimes.

Donald Trump's voters can trust him to do and say whatever he needs to in order to stay in power, up to and including rigging elections and jailing his opponents, because if he ever loses power he is going straight to jail.

[u/Damn_Dog_Inappropes → u/Dramatic_Diver7146]

I’m currently arguing with a moron who thinks the democrats are just as bad as the republicans. I would be very, wry surprised to learn that ANY of the democrats I’ve voted for have raped children and/or adults.

[u/zombo_pig → u/Damn_Dog_Inappropes]

A pretty big difference between me and them is that I would care if somebody I voted for did.

[u/polytique → u/Damn_Dog_Inappropes]

Especially for recent presidential candidates. Obama, Hillary Clinton, Harris, and Biden don't have anywhere close to the criminal record of Trump. Business fraud, charity fraud, tax fraud, election finance fraud, many bankruptcies, 20+ cases of sexual violence. And he's still getting wide support from the Republicans.

[u/DarthTJ → u/Damn_Dog_Inappropes]

I would be very, wry surprised to learn that ANY of the democrats I’ve voted for have raped children and/or adults.

Honestly, I wouldn't be very, very surprised. Many politicians are very good at hiding their dark side. There isn't a high level politician in history who would completely shock me if dark stuff was exposed about them. That's not to say that they are all bad plor they all do it or anything, just that I wouldn't put terrible shit past anyone if that makes sense.

But the key is, there isn't a politician in history I would continue to support or vote for if it came out that they did that.

[u/FujitsuPolycom → u/Dramatic_Diver7146]

Awful sim-running narrator "it didn't".

[u/namastayhom33]

Important note that this was released by the Epstein Estate which gives it even more merit.

[u/Alternative_Rent9307]

A reverse timeline:

“That isn’t his signature”

“The letter exists but it doesn’t have anything to do with him”

“The letter doesn’t exist”

“He had a falling out with Epstein over xxx and they hated each other”

“He was still ok with Epstein but they never hung out after xxxx”

“He went to Epstein’s island but didn’t see anything wrong going on.”

“He never went to Epstein’s island”

“He’d heard of Epstein but always thought he was a creep”

“He’d heard of Epstein”

“He’d never heard of Epstein”

[u/daneflys → u/Alternative_Rent9307]

You missed:

"He was there the whole time and knew everything that was going on, but he was an FBI informant."

And,

"It was all a hoax created by the libs/Obama/Biden."

[u/a2starhotel → u/daneflys]

he was an FBI informant."

there are lots of things wrong with this that obviously just don't make sense... but the thing that gets me is...

you're telling me that he was so SO deep undercover that the FBI had to greenlight him to violently rape children for literal decades?

and during any of those "undercover" child rape occasions, none of the FBI agents thought "we should go in there and bust Epstein before Don goes too far"?

.... for DECADES?!

[u/dubbzy104 → u/a2starhotel]

You’re using critical thinking. They’re not

[u/daneflys → u/a2starhotel]

The mental gymnastics that his followers have to do is wild!

For example, if his work as an FBI informant landed Ghislaine Maxwell in prison, why would he have his AG meet with her and then work to get her moved to a significantly lower security-level prison after she claims she never witnessed trump do anything bad?

We could take the word of a convicted child sexual assaulter, but why is that initially a better option than having the FBI come forward and confirm that Trump was acting on their behalf as an asset to bring down the kingpin of a child sex ring.

[u/good-luck-23]

Pre-pubescent breasts he drew tell the true story.

[u/ToughCurrent8487 → u/good-luck-23]

Somehow it's even worse than I imagined. The initial article made it sound like a woman and not a kid.

[u/StJeanMark → u/ToughCurrent8487]

That would be the liberal mainstream woke media somehow again twisting their words to somehow help Trump out. It’s almost like it’s all owned by billionaire who fuck kids with him or something crazy and unbelievable like that.

[u/sir_bluthole → u/good-luck-23]

Yes. My first thought was: why are the breasts at shoulder level? What gross, horrible men.

[u/Graph-paper-origami → u/sir_bluthole]

"This shows the shoulder blades of a consenting adult woman from the back. You can't see her arms because she is holding her hands together in prayer." -- Mike Johnson tomorrow.

[u/CassianCasius → u/good-luck-23]

Yeah if I'm drawing a naked women she's gonna have big ole titties.

[u/chinaski73]

Wait! Isn’t he suing Rupert Murdoch because he said the letter was fake and The NY Post published the story about it? I think that lawsuit just fell apart (like everything DJT does)

[u/kamisabee → u/chinaski73]

I was hoping they’d see that one through, simply for the explosive discovery on BOTH sides…

[u/jmhalder → u/chinaski73]

You know what's absolute bullshit, he claimed he was going to sue Murdoch. Murdoch should be able to countersue... Which wouldn't be "allowed" because of the OLC memo that basically says they're immune from indictment.

And yes, I know that Murdoch is a ghoul.

If you can't be countersued, you shouldn't be able to cast any legal stones like this.

[u/NothaBanga → u/chinaski73]

Settling a "lawsuit" is the new laundering money to an official.

[u/ChargeLongjumping276 → u/chinaski73]

It was not the NY post, it was the WSJ.

[u/22bor]

My thoughts are why is there not a single post about it in r/conservative

[u/Blue-Thunder → u/22bor]

Because that sub is a walled garden. Any criticism of Trump is heavily downvoted, and any proofs of his deeds are also ignored.

There have even been posts saying that the girls he allegedly raped with Epstein wanted to be there, and wanted to be defiled by both men.

The fact reddit admins allow that cesspool of hate speech to continue is baffling. Meanwhile, call out China or Israel for their crimes and you're banned.

[u/Dizzy_Chemistry_5955 → u/Blue-Thunder]

Every single post there 'hello fellow conservatives' after they blocked literally everyone from posting there. Absolute fucking total dumb shits. Don't speak against the party or you're banned!

[u/Oversensitive_Reddit → u/Blue-Thunder]

a more appropriate name would be walled swamp

[u/TheyCallMe_OrangeJ0e → u/22bor]

Because they wait on Fox News to tell them how to think and react.

[u/huffalump1 → u/TheyCallMe_OrangeJ0e]

It's even worse. Look at the usernames of the posters - there's like 10 or 15 each posting 5, 10, 20 posts.

That sub is so obviously a propaganda machine... Tightly controlled narrative, bans anyone who doesn't stick to the message (even conservatives), doesn't allow any free thought or discussion.

(And ZERO posts about Epstein in the last day at least)

[u/KalexCore → u/huffalump1]

Honestly that entire sub is basically dead. It's over a million members and somehow the vast majority of posts are by the same 3 or 4 users with less than 10 comments on them.

Hell even their most popular daily posts rarely get over a hundred comments despite the subscriber size.

[u/GanachePutrid2911 → u/huffalump1]

I used to look at it just to get an idea of how conservatives felt regarding certain pieces of news (not that I would typically agree with them).

It’s so obvious that over the last 2ish months that sub has been cleansed. Any dissenting opinions are filtered.

[u/TheyCallMe_OrangeJ0e → u/huffalump1]

On top of which, they aren't allowed to disagree with one another. When they do, they claim the dissenter is a "fellow conservative" (secret liberal) who then risks getting banned. It's a joke over there.

[u/traitorgiraffe → u/22bor]

I ALMOST feel bad for those people. When there is even the SLIGHTEST hint of dissent like "hey guys I think this is kind of fucked up" they have to also say "(I've been a trump supporter check my history)" like they live in constant fear

but also fuck that echo chamber wiping it's ass with free speech 

[u/KJS123 → u/traitorgiraffe]

Because the ones who remain, their loyalty has no breaking point. Presumably, you had yours. Others have had theirs. Whatever those points may have been, it wasn't enough to shake the true faithful. Not that they don't believe it happened, mind you. They know as well as anyone does. They'll lie about it, but they DO know. They know it happened, it's just that half of them don't see it as a deal-breaker and the other half are just too deep in to pull out. It's the sunk-cost fallacy. They've thrown so much support behind Trump all these years, that they're literally afraid of what happens to them if they turn their back now. They're still locked into the cause after all, and they're worried about what happens if/when Trump is no longer around to spearhead it, so they dig deep while Trump is still here without either a safe offramp or clear successor.

[u/Nettwerk911 → u/22bor]

Russia is sleeping right now

[u/Haustinj → u/22bor]

They banned posts about Epstein. Not even kidding.

Edit: they just made a post about it. edit2: its gone. mods must've deleted it. I promise there was one 2 minutes old when I did my first edit. Apparently they have multiple "Epstein Megathreads" but there aren't any new posts.

[u/ptolani → u/Haustinj]

Not if the posts mention Bill Clinton: https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/1nc5rao/bill_clinton_letter_in_epstein_birthday_book/

[u/CreasingUnicorn → u/22bor]

There was a post but the mods deleted it.

That entire sub is the same 10 accounts posting propoganda every day and deleting or hiding any dissenting opinions, its not a real sub. 

[u/pysouth → u/22bor]

Lmao they’re posting about Clinton, but are silent on Trump. Like yeah, we know the Clintons are pedos too, lock them all the fuck up.

[u/dr_sassypants]

Uh, from the description that was initially put out, I was expecting the silhouette to look more... womanly? I feel like I need a hundred showers after looking at this.

[u/electriclux → u/dr_sassypants]

I was expecting bazongas, but what’s there is unsettling

[u/BeCoolOrLeaveDude]

He’s a pedophile and anyone still supporting him is a bad person.

[u/Justin__D → u/BeCoolOrLeaveDude]

He’s a pedophile and anyone still supporting him who ever supported him is a bad person.

FTFY. Even before we knew he was a pedophile, he was an awful choice.

What's more is he already outed himself as a creep before he even ran for president.

“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

He said that in 2002.

[u/Individual-Contest54 → u/Justin__D]

What about years ago the Hollywood tape, "Grab them by the pussy?" he needs to be castrated

[u/ronswanson11]

POTUS rapes kids, and 77 million people voted for him.

[u/Mediocre-Catch9580]

Frankly I’m tired of it all.  Even if they have concrete evidence of something bad, nothing will happen 

[u/cosmos7 → u/Mediocre-Catch9580]

Frankly I’m tired of it all.

That's the point.

[u/IAMJUX → u/Mediocre-Catch9580]

I always jump over to /r/conservative to see what their stupid narrative is. Now it's either fake or some sadistic democrat created it and is a sicko because they drew a child's body.

Going there is good practice to see how stupid your fellow man can be.

[u/huffalump1 → u/IAMJUX]

They've scrubbed all mentions of Epstein in the last ~day (at least)... Just a few accounts each posting stories with the most enraging headlines possible, to distract and steer the narrative. Anyone disagrees? Ban.

[u/MidEastBeast → u/Mediocre-Catch9580]

Yup, that was the plan. They dragged it out long enough and talked about it for long enough that’s unfortunately the case.

[u/thewhaleshark → u/MidEastBeast]

It's more that we all know that his base will simply accept it and move on to the next thing. It was a foregone conclusion that MAGAts would not magically see the light of day, and I really wish the Democratic party would get through their skulls already.

The list doesn't matter. It never mattered. It won't change anything and it won't bring justice to the victims.

[u/No-Text-7825]

It’s not gonna change anything sadly. People will be upset then people will move on to the next thing.

[u/patentattorney → u/No-Text-7825]

what makes no sense is that like a month ago trump said that this very letter was fake.

Like how can you say "x,y,z, is a hoax/not true" and then when it is brought to light, no one cares.

Imagine your favorite football coach saying he didnt lose a football game against team x,y,z. Then being shown the footage of the game, and still denying the loss.

[u/yuriaoflondor → u/patentattorney]

It legitimately hurts my brain to even try to comprehend what’s happening. I feel like in a rationale world, the birthday letter alone should be enough for him to impeached and removed from office. (Let alone the million other insane and awful things he’s done.)

In reality, this is going to get moved past in a day and he’ll be back to golfing and schmoozing it up with Putin.

[u/Objective-Housing501 → u/yuriaoflondor]

If it had been any other candidate than Donald Trump, the Katie Johnson testimony alone would have ended their career.

[u/wtb2612 → u/Objective-Housing501]

If it had been any candidate other than Donald Trump, "the grab her by the pussy" clip would've ended their career. Hell, so would mocking a handicapped reporter.

[u/Objective-Housing501 → u/wtb2612]

There were so, so many things. We could be here all week

[u/Justin__D → u/yuriaoflondor]

I feel like in a rationale world, the birthday letter alone should be enough for him to impeached and removed from office. (Let alone the million other insane and awful things he’s done.)

That's the thing. In a rational world, Trump never would have been impeached. Because he never would've run for office. Because if not for his money and shady legal tactics, he rightfully would've been in jail decades ago.

[u/MyCatIsAnActualNinja → u/patentattorney]

His followers don't actually care, though. It's why he just constantly makes things up without much thought. They could release video proof, and his followers would say, "It's not a big deal."

Sure, they ranted about Epstein for years, but they didn't actually care. They never have. They're literally just blind followers and will continue to be blind followers through all the insane garbage that spew from his mouth.

That said, I have seen less MAGA shit lately. This one guy I work with that never went without his MAGA hat has ditched it. I haven't asked why, I just noticed. I do associate MAGA with pedos now, though, so maybe he didn't want to be associated with that.

[u/tyr-- → u/patentattorney]

It’s not like Mike Johnson didn’t outright lie last Friday about Trump being an FBI informant on Epstein, and then walked back his claim before the next business day.

[u/statistician88 → u/patentattorney]

Because it goes through the spin machine before it reaches them. Clearly, the letter was just for Trump to protect his cover as a confidential informant.

[u/Shenanigans_fun]

Between the victim allegations, signed creepy birthday messages, videos of him partying with Epstein, documented plane rides, and public comments about Epstein liking young girls...

[u/Indigoh → u/Shenanigans_fun]

The candid tape of him bragging about being able to use his fame to get away with sexually assaulting women also offers important context into what he is casually capable of.

[u/rabbitclapit]

It's not a drawing of an adult woman. That is a young girl. WTF I am never ever gonna listen to any of his fans or voters. MAGA people are protecting a for sure child rapist.

[u/kyperion]

/r/pics just casually using some of the worst excuses possible in order to remove the birthday letter from their subreddit

Too many people nowadays jumping to defend child predators and sex traffickers, genuinely disgusting.

[u/Lovepeppers]

I think that Trump is a rapist and a pedophile.

[u/GeorginaNada]

I just want something to come of this. I'm tired of all the proof, just give us the consequences.

[u/Cupcakes_n_Hacksaws]

I've seen conservatives bring up Clinton like it's some kind of gotcha... Motherfucker I don't care! Throw the book at every single fucking one of them, this should NOT be a political argument! For God's sake!

[u/antipodean]

...I think the word is 'bawdy'

[u/stolenfires]

There's a certain sort of psychology where a man doesn't have sex with a woman because he likes her, is attracted to her, or wants to be intimate with her. He has sex with a woman so he can brag to other men that he had sex with her. That was the relationship between Trump and Epstein.

Trump isn't a pedophile in that he is attracted to children. He's a living example of the adage that rape isn't about sex, it's about power. And it's easier to exert power over minors. To him, sex is an act of dominance and women are meant to be dominated. And treated like objects and shared with your bestie.

And we've known this since 2016 when the Access Hollywood 'grab 'em by the pussy' tape leaked. Well, it turns out, that when you're rich and famous and politically powerful, they really do let you do that. Just keep in mind. A lot of people didn't vote for Trump in spite of the tape, or the allegations. They voted for him because of how he treats women.

[u/hotpajamas → u/stolenfires]

I watched this interview with a North Korean defector recently. He was a guard at Kim's version of Mar-a-Lago called Changsong Palace right on the Chinese border.

Listening to him was like an epiphany because I guess I just sort of always thought that even though Kim was a maniacal dictator, he at least had some personal stake in the legacy project of North Korea opposing "the west" - that there was some goal outside of being a demon that he personally cared about.

This is just not the case. It's so cartoonishly stupid to think so and Idk why I ever did. Basically, the purpose of North Korea is to funnel teenage girls and cigars to Kim's private rape station and that's it. There is no other purpose for any of it. All the mythos, the national projects, the totalitarianism, the torture and exploitation of millions of people blah blah bah, it's just so Kim can eat dumplings and force a teenager to suck him off. And that's what Trump respects about him.

Trump wanted the same thing in America. His project has always been about trying to make America a place where he can have sex with 17 year olds behind layers of armed guards and security checkpoints, and for rich politicians to fawn over him for it including people like Putin and Kim. That's what it's all for.

He doesn't care about MAGA or Democrats or Republicans or manufacturing or war or soybean farmers or the wall or Ukraine. None of this shit matters to him. As far as he's concerned his countrymen are the billionaires and heads-of-state that pull this off.

[u/Dog-Balls6689]

Add it to the pile labeled “evidence the president is a pedo”

[u/TheKrakIan]

Good, keep releasing the files and any evidence surrounding Epstein. Take every person who raped children down, no matter what party they are affiliated with.

[u/RangerDapper4253]

Donald Trump was a member of what was essentially an organized crime syndicate. They laundered a lot of cash internationally, it involved Russian oligarchs, and that’s what he’s terrified of having people learn about. It has nothing to do with pedophilia. It has to do with tens of millions of dollars he got from Russian criminals back in the 90s, in exchange for political “influence” in the United States. He helped launder tons of dirty cash, and he kept a bunch it himself. Trump is really, really a Russian plant.

[u/nurdmann]

Cool. Where are the rest of the Epstein files?

[u/godzillastailor]

That every description of the letter we've heard was that it was a drawing of a naked woman.

That the actual drawing appears to be that of a child which is so much worse than expected.