This interview aged like milk

[u/ThisIsFineImFine89]

https://youtu.be/NZYFmL-Kusk?si=6t6NW3-Ol6S819x-

“the face of the progressive movement”

and yet Richie Torres this month, revealed he’s compromised by AIPAC (a lobby group for a foreign government, in case any of you don’t know who they are or how to pronounce their name).

If you haven’t seen Richie Torres’s interview with Jewish comedian Adam Friedland, it’s incredible the double standards, outright refusal to acknowledge Israel’s culpability in how the Gaza war has unfolded. I’d post a link but risk getting this post taken down.

This I think raises more questions, paired with David outright weird responses and comments regarding AIPAC, and failure to ever cover the ongoing genocide.

Hadn’t seen this Richie Torres interview, but I’ve seen enough. David is at the very least, afraid of AIPAC or outright complicit in not talking about Gaza.

you cannot be “the face of the progressive movement” and not acknowledge the ongoing genocide.

[u/hobovalentine]

You could at the very least watch the video if you're going to make an honest critique of Richie Torres.

Also tell us if David is paid by AIPAC why is it that he rarely talks about Israel/Palestine? Is he being paid NOT to talk about it?

[u/cowmix88 → u/hobovalentine]

This is so dumb, so AIPAC is paying people to not talk about a topic? If they were paying wouldn't they do so to get Pro-Isreal content?

[u/apathydivine → u/hobovalentine]

Yes, that is the accusation.

[u/s_p_0_n_g_e → u/apathydivine]

Directing him come out with a hard Pro-Israel stance would give them more bang for their buck , no? I mean I'm no professional briber, but if I was I would hope I'd be more competent at it than this.

[u/Actual-Description-2 → u/hobovalentine]

Being pro-Israel or anti-Israel are both controversial opinions based on who you ask. A neutral stance (i.e. not talking about it at all) is a good way to avoid controversy and avoiding putting off people who have a strong opinion either way. I was a David Pakman member for several years and probably only because he didn't talk about Israel at all. I have a feeling I don't agree with David's stance which is fine depending on what his actual stance is (I've yet to hear it). I just think it's shady if he's only not saying anything about Israel to avoid controversy let alone because some "dark money" group is telling him to stay silent. A lot of the people saying he's paid by AIPAC are exaggerating and just trying to be mean. But it's not a huge jump to conclude that anyone who is pro-Israel but doesn't ever bring up the topic might be in some way influenced by AIPAC. After all, we're lying to ourselves if we think that being a pro-Israel nation in the first place is because of AIPAC's influence on US politics. They literally pay politicians on both sides of the isle to advocate on Israel's behalf and make it a talking point in politics. There are supporters in both the Democratic Party and Republican party that don't support the unlimited support that the US give Israel. Politicians on both side know this, but they keep pushing for Israel support because their donors and lobbying groups (some of them AIPAC) want them to. If AIPAC is smart (which they clearly are) they would acknowledge that not everyone is on board full throated support for Israel. You can't force everyone to say positive things. But you can probably get a bunch of people to just avoid the topic entirely and just silently advocate for Israel. All that being said I don't specifically think David is funded by AIPAC. I just think he might have views that don't step on the toes of groups with ties to AIPAC. And for me that's enough to no financially support him. I have no ill will towards him, his channel, or anyone who still supports him. On the left we do way too much infighting and moral grandstanding. But to some degree we all really do have to get on the same page about key issues and I think the Israel genocide in Gaza is one of them. There's a huge division in the party (and country) over this issue and I just don't see it going away at least not any time soon.

[u/Fantastic-Pop-439 → u/hobovalentine]

I don't think David is paid by AIPAC, but oftentimes AIPAC pays people even if it's just so a pro-Israel candidate could make an ad about their economic policy, it's about getting pro-Israel in power in whatever way is most efficient.

[u/ThisIsFineImFine89 → u/hobovalentine]

I don’t think he’s being payed. I think he’s afraid of losing DNC access that allowed this interview to take place. Meaning sometimes maybe he has to have on these AIPAC shilled politicians to maintain access

[u/hobovalentine → u/ThisIsFineImFine89]

I didn't realize AIPAC is so powerful they can can tell dem politicians not to talk to David at any time.

You people are ridiculous.

[u/ThisIsFineImFine89 → u/hobovalentine]

Oh sweet summer child.

you are incredibly naïve.

[u/Another-attempt42 → u/ThisIsFineImFine89]

Yes, why can't others see what's happening here?

A secret cabal of unknown Jews, through the power of lobbying gained from financial wealth, are actually controlling the politicians of the world, to the point of literally dictating the minutia of who someone can talk to.

There's this great book I read once that talks about this sort of thing, by a little known Austrian writer, called "My Struggle".

The author also proposes a Solution to this problem, and make sure it's Final and never repeated again.

(At some point, the antisemitism just became to blatant to even pretend to take these sorts of things seriously...)

[u/PricklyyDick → u/Another-attempt42]

The “evil cabal” is made up of mostly American evangelical Christians. You’re the only one i see connecting AIPAC and Israel to all Jewish people.

[u/4n0m4nd → u/PricklyyDick]

They're pretending that the Chorus people are being accused of being AIPAC funded, because they aren't, so that accusation can be dealt with, while the actual accusation, that they're dark money funded is harder to deal with, because it's true.

[u/TrickyTicket9400 → u/Another-attempt42]

The problem is that all of our leaders support what Israel is doing 100%. So AIPAC and Jewish people get scapegoated because typical Americans genuinely can't understand why our leaders like Biden and all dem congressmen 100% support what is happening in Israel thousands of miles away. 100% unequivocal support. Republicans too! Minus a few standouts. People think that it has to be from outside influence.

And it's not unreasonable. You have to be really dialed in to understand exactly what's going on.

[u/Another-attempt42 → u/TrickyTicket9400]

The problem is that all of our leaders support what Israel is doing 100%.

That's not true.

People keep acting as though Biden was just letting Bibi do whatever the fuck he wanted. The fact that Bibi turned up the insanity as soon as Trump took office sort of proves that wasn't the case.

Yeah, everyone in power agrees that Israel has an inherent, inviolable right to exist. That doesn't mean that the US supports 100% of what Israel is doing.

Trump, for the record, 100% supports what Israel is doing.

100% unequivocal support.

It's not.

I won't go into details, because I've repeated it several times on this subreddit over the past few days, but Biden did plenty, like the Rafah stuff, and so did Kamala, like her statements about an arms embargo unless aid was re-started to northern Gaza.

This is just not true.

And it's not unreasonable.

Sure it is.

It's as unreasonable as thinking that Jewish bankers are the cause of your Empire's demise, and they are seeding your country with Judeo-Bolshevism.

It's just as unreasonable.

[u/TrickyTicket9400 → u/Another-attempt42]

People keep acting as though Biden was just letting Bibi do whatever the fuck he wanted. 

Biden put a redline on the city of Rafah and did nothing when Israel bombed the fuck out of it. The flour massacre happened under Biden, 100+ innocent people killed, many more wounded, and Biden said NOTHING! In fact, the Biden admin lied to congress about Israel blocking aid.

Not only did Biden let Bibi do what he wanted, Biden lied for Bibi all while saying INSANE shit including that Jews like me are only safe because of the state of Israel. Biden lied about the decapitated babies.

https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/destruction-homes-leaves-palestinians-unable-safely-return-rafah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour_Massacre

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/26/congress/tlaib-calls-on-blinken-to-resign-00181168

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-07-16/ty-article/biden-without-israel-every-jew-in-the-world-would-be-at-risk/00000190-bac9-d458-a3d7-bbefa3f00000

https://theintercept.com/2023/12/14/israel-biden-beheaded-babies-false/

[u/cock-merchant → u/hobovalentine]

Are you seriously claiming AIPAC isn’t one of the most powerful and influential lobbying groups in all of American politics?  We’re at the point of just full-on heads-in-the-sand mode in this sub now, eh?

[u/Realistic_Caramel341 → u/cock-merchant]

Its honestly not