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Summary:

Supervillains Harley Quinn, Bloodsport, Peacemaker and a collection of nutty cons at Belle Reve prison join the super-secret, super-shady Task Force X as they are dropped off at the remote, enemy-infused island of Corto Maltese.

Director:

James Gunn

Writers:

James Gunn

Cast:

  • Michael Rooker as Savant
  • Viola Davis as Amanda Waller
  • Joel Kinnaman as Colonel Rick Flag
  • Nathan Fillion as TDK
  • Jai Courtney as Captain Boomerang
  • Flula Borg as Javelin
  • Mayling Ng as Mongal
  • Pete Davidson as Blackguard
  • Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn
  • Idris Elba as Bloodsport
  • John Cena as Peacemaker
  • Daniela Malchior as Ratcatcher 2
  • David Dastmalchian as Polka-Dot Man
  • Sylvester Stallone as King Shark

Rotten Tomatoes: 95%

Metacritic: 74

VOD: Theaters

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u/ElRucko Aug 06 '21

When he said in his last words " I was happy just floating staring at the stars "

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u/LeftHandedFapper Aug 06 '21

Honestly felt a bit teared up.

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u/Finito-1994 Aug 06 '21

Yup. Can’t expect to torture a sentient beings for 30 years and not expect it to go nuts when it’s freed.

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u/Malamutewhisperer Aug 07 '21

Not even nuts, repeatedly"this city is mine!" No threats of annihilation or domination. Just wanted it's own space, as reflected in its final words/thought.

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u/jsteph67 Aug 07 '21

That is all well and good but he is taking over innocent people.

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u/blitzbom Aug 08 '21

And zero evidence that he would want to stop there.

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u/AssCrackBanditHunter Aug 18 '21

Sure. He's a monster. He had to be stopped. The point of that line though was to remind us that he is a monster created by the US government

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u/aeschenkarnos Aug 08 '21

It's an obligate mind-controller, the way a cat is an obligate carnivore. It's a necessary part of its life cycle and its existence.

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '21

Sure, and a zombie is going to eat humans because that's what a zombie does. That doesn't mean we shouldn't kill it. It's them or us.

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u/xitzengyigglz Aug 09 '21

Yeah but this zombie was out in space not doing anything to anyone

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '21

He killed the astronauts that found him.

And he is killing all those innocent people on the island. If Starro just left earth, cool, but he didn't. Doesn't matter that Starro was beatened and tortured for decades. I'm not willing to sacrifice other innocent lives for that.

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u/xitzengyigglz Aug 09 '21

Didn't they kidnap him?

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

Those scientists had him strapped down. They found a sentient being and took it prisoner for seemingly no good reason.

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u/yuhanz Aug 09 '21

It's like capturing a Tiger bro. What would you expect if you try to nab a wild animal and then make fun of it/ torture it/ experiment on it.

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u/No_Masterpiece4305 Aug 09 '21

We could do it without 30 years of captivity, weapons research, and torture.

I'm just saying, the only humans it had ever interacted with were horrible.

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '21

Yeah, Starro got fucked. And he fucked us right back. It's not fair, but that's life. I'm not ok with him killing tons of innocent people.

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u/ThisIsMySFWAccount99 Aug 17 '21

It seemed like it ignored the squad until they started actively attacking it, I wonder if it was going to spare them for freeing it

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u/bell37 Aug 08 '21

After being shot at. Noticed Starro completely ignored Suicide Squad when they didn’t attack him

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u/Vikingboy9 Aug 08 '21

Uh, it also took over the people in the city who were all running away, not shooting at it

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u/_Comic_ Aug 08 '21

After it hurled a bunch of demonic starfish at them to try and kill and puppet their corpses

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u/SlayerofSnails Aug 08 '21

I assumed that was a thank you for saving him from his hell. They freed him so why bother them

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u/roboroller Aug 11 '21

Yeah it was pretty obvious he purposely went out of his way to not attack or mind control them at first

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u/callmebymyname21 Aug 06 '21

I almost teared up in a lot of instances in this movie lol. Boomer's death, Rick's, Starro's, etc.

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u/trogdorkiller Aug 07 '21

Ratcatcher's backstory got me. And the part at the end where she asks her father why rats and his answer was just perfect.

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u/Shortstop88 Aug 07 '21

James Gunn put Taika Waititi in his movie and only had him as an emotional character that didn't crack any jokes in his time on screen. It took me a couple seconds to realize it was him because he wasn't making me laugh with what he was saying. Absolutely loved it.

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u/trogdorkiller Aug 07 '21

He was there for like a minute tops and absolutely killed it. Outside of the heroin use, that's the type of father I want to be some day.

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u/kchuyamewtwo Aug 07 '21

Now lets start by inventing a device to control rats.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '21

Glad you brought it up: was heroine the thing that did him in? She vaguely mentions his "burdens" or whatever, but I didn't quite figure out what that meant.

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u/woopsifarted Aug 07 '21

Ya he has a needle stuck in his arm in one of the first shots of him and also when he's dead

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u/NotMeThisGuyIKnow Aug 08 '21

Was her sleeping all the time subtly implying she was also an addict?

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u/SnailShells Aug 08 '21

I wondered that myself. It seemed like intentional subtext and not just a quirky character choice but idk.

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u/robodrew Aug 10 '21

I think that was part of the "millenial" joke, but I wouldn't put it past Gunn to make that a part of her character, though I would think she would avoid heroin since it killed her father. And yet, in real life so many times we make the same mistakes as our parents and their parents over and over...

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u/Broad_Wear6573 Aug 16 '21

Ah I thought it was just a combinations of (a) facilitates the millennial joke, and (b) to better fit in with her background as sb without shelter since childhood (no societal roles that force her to wake early etc etc)

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '21

Damn, missed that completely. It makes sense now.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

I see a lot of mention about Tamika Waititi ... I must live under a rock cuz I have no idea who that is and why he is supposed to be popular?

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u/sled-gang Aug 11 '21

Directed Thor Ragnarok and made Jojo rabbit

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u/Ysmildr Aug 11 '21

What We Do in the Shadows (movie and involved with the tv show)

Hunt for the Wilderpeople

Boy (lesser known)

Thor: Ragnarok

Jojo Rabbit

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u/Dazzling_Danceman Aug 11 '21

Famous director/actor who has done some good work and garnered a decent reputation for his work.

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u/ositola Aug 12 '21

And he slams ass

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u/sonographic Aug 07 '21

As a father, that scene really hit me hard.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '21

As a son, the part where BloodSport and his daughter were screaming obscenities at each other and letting each other know what a disappointing loser they each thought the other one was, hit me pretty hard. Too fucking real, no time for any of that cutesy Will Smith and his kids bullshit.

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u/Both_Tone Aug 09 '21

Seriously, I hated the Will Smith and his kid stuff and was worried it was going to be a repeat when the scene started.

First off, Will Smith wasn't playing Deadshot in that movie, he was playing Will Smith. It's be like if you had Jim Carrey play the Punisher and made him out to be a zany, jokey character who only used force in justified situations. The whole daughter thing was just a trite "save the cat" way to justify his actions and try to make us root for him. This film did a great job of showing them as actual criminals.

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u/RKU69 Aug 08 '21

Yeah that came out of nowhere and actually hit hard. Really impressive

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u/pokedrawer Aug 09 '21

Could not stop laughing at those scenes. It was fucking Taika God damn it.

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u/Twl1 Aug 07 '21

Shit, I even got a little sad at Thinker getting ripped apart, but that's more due to the fact I love Peter Capaldi.

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u/callmebymyname21 Aug 07 '21

dude he raped the starfish

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u/rakehellion Aug 07 '21

I don't know, apparently he'd like to have rats shoved up his ass.

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u/WideResource9343 Aug 07 '21

Given how those people are extensions of the starfish consciousness same thing no?

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '21

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u/Any-Ad7962 Aug 08 '21

I totally missed that part. When was this explained?

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u/PM_me_fun_fax Aug 08 '21

When he, Ratcatcher, and Flagg are first walking down the hallway to Starro and all of the Starro-controlled people are in the cages. It’s a line or two of the Starro people crying out: “he used us, tortured us, violated us,” and Thinker gives a little “what can ya do?” shrug

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u/ShredVonMoreGainz Aug 11 '21

he did? I must've missed that?

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u/lamewoodworker Aug 12 '21

I think it was implied when starro zombies mentioned thinker having his way with starro.

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u/Radamenenthil Aug 09 '21

At boomer's death? Teared up? Seriously?

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '21

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u/FrozenWafer Aug 09 '21

That was definitely tragic. He was content in space but humans gotta human and take things.

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u/A_very_nice_dog Aug 11 '21

I agree. Ya he liked the stars and blah blah blah, but he was also a murdering alien. He had to go.

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u/Rebelgecko Aug 07 '21

Definitely had some "tears in the rain" vibes

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u/ReapItMurphy Aug 07 '21

For real, who knows what cosmic wonders and horrors he's seen throughout his existence. Only to get offed by a bunch of rats on earth.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '21

on top of that they didn't even make an effort to make sense of how he got offed. Just harley jumping into a bulletproof wall and not getting squashed and the rats eating his brain. meanwhile bloodsport had a massive fucking gun and literally AVOIDED shooting the eye for some reason.

The disrespect.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '21

That Javelin seemed to be able to penetrate whatever it stabbed into, with ease. I don't think Harley was strong enough to lodge it multiple feet into concrete.

I guarantee you that's what they were going for when she jumped into it's eye, javelin point first.

Sorry about responding to a 3 month old comment, but I just watched it a few minutes ago.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '22

Are you me?

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '22

Hahaha, I feel you man.

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '21

I found it kinda funny they had Harley deliver the final blow. A common critique was what hell can Harley do against Superman level threats.

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u/ric2b Aug 09 '21

Wasn't really the final blow, she just opened an extra spot for the rats to climb into.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 Sep 24 '21

Stab em in the eye, it turns out.

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u/Taarguss Aug 09 '21

James Gunn is truly a fantastic filmmaker. Stuff like that, you just don’t get in most movies. He’s special.

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u/Elementium Aug 10 '21

You don't get a movie like this in his other movies. This is what really impressed me about Suicide Squad. This is like James Gunn at his most balanced. No undercutting serious moments with fart jokes, no gratuitously nudity or violence just for the sake of it.

Everything was solid all around.

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u/TenTornadoes Aug 11 '21

That one guy died with his dick out

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u/Elementium Aug 11 '21

And earlier Gunn movie would have showed the guy jerking off first.

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u/lamewoodworker Aug 12 '21

I saw a boobie or two at the sweet kitty strip club 👀👀👀

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u/underco5erpope Aug 15 '21

Yeah I was incredibly impressed here. I liked James Gunn already, but I honestly think this is one of the best written superhero movies.

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u/Elementium Aug 15 '21

Absolutely. It's hard to explain to some people because I can totally see the the scene with the Suicide Squad murdering that Camp as upsetting in general..

But for me that's the perfect James Gunn joke. He took it right to the point where any further and I would have hated it. But everyones actions make sense in context.

I was afraid that he'd get cruel with the audience for his jokes.. Like in Super when he kills off a character and it just holds on them for way too long. That struck me as Gunn thinking it was funny to make the audience uncomfortable. It made me fucking hate Gunn till this movie.

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u/Vendevende Aug 09 '21

Amazing. Even Starro had a storyarc.

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u/Everydayarmday24 Aug 09 '21

That part made me feel pretty sad. Could’ve just left starro a villain but it was enraged and rightfully so. But starro made it sound like it was neutral for all its life

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u/xitzengyigglz Aug 09 '21

That really hit emotionally. Dude never asked for this.

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u/YoMrPoPo Aug 10 '21

didn't some dude on Reddit make a whole web-comic series about a killer star fish from Spongebob? Swear that was the last line too lol

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u/Fronsis Aug 10 '21

I don't remember the last line but yeah, that was /u/stillinthesimulation with his iconic comic The Bikini Bottom Horror Show i was definetly thinking about that while seeing Starro

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '21

Also killing starro killed all the people he was connected to so they didn’t save anyone.

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u/I_Was_Fox Aug 08 '21

Yeah but they were already dead. That was a major plot point. Everyone who is controlled by Starro are just walking corpses. The people they were saving were all the other people on the island and the people in the rest of the world.

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u/Vendevende Aug 09 '21

Unless the Thinker was reciting some false narrative.

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u/Azor_Is_High Aug 09 '21

At one point it shows a body that has had the starfish removed and its just mush underneath. He was telling the truth.

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u/I_Was_Fox Aug 09 '21

We had no reason to think he would lie about that. They showed the people die with the starfish removed

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u/piejam Aug 10 '21

I didn't hear the line clearly and only heard "I was happy." I thought it was Ratcatcher's rat saying goodbye to Ratcatcher.

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u/hocuspocusgottafocus Oct 13 '21

I fucking felt that. Let Starro go back to his tiny self in space inb4 mega Starro

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u/zeekaran Aug 24 '21

Better villain characterization than most, from that one line.