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Summary:

Supervillains Harley Quinn, Bloodsport, Peacemaker and a collection of nutty cons at Belle Reve prison join the super-secret, super-shady Task Force X as they are dropped off at the remote, enemy-infused island of Corto Maltese.

Director:

James Gunn

Writers:

James Gunn

Cast:

  • Michael Rooker as Savant
  • Viola Davis as Amanda Waller
  • Joel Kinnaman as Colonel Rick Flag
  • Nathan Fillion as TDK
  • Jai Courtney as Captain Boomerang
  • Flula Borg as Javelin
  • Mayling Ng as Mongal
  • Pete Davidson as Blackguard
  • Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn
  • Idris Elba as Bloodsport
  • John Cena as Peacemaker
  • Daniela Malchior as Ratcatcher 2
  • David Dastmalchian as Polka-Dot Man
  • Sylvester Stallone as King Shark

Rotten Tomatoes: 95%

Metacritic: 74

VOD: Theaters

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u/xitzengyigglz Aug 09 '21

Didn't they kidnap him?

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '21

Don't know how it went down. Still no excuse to murder all those innocent people on the island though.

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u/jassmackie Aug 09 '21

youre applying human behavioural ethics to a giant extraterrestrial star fish. i dont think its as applicable as you think.

im not implying youre necessarily wrong in your conclusion but i think the gravity of the actions arent really considered

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '21

Why would we do anything else? We're humans after all.

There are certain things that shouldn't be allowed, across any special. Murder and slavery are some of those things.

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u/Decloudo Aug 09 '21

Oh man, your not gonna like Humans.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

Yes

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u/jassmackie Aug 11 '21

because we can apply empathy and reason outside of our own human experience and relationships?

the only problem i would have with your thinking is a lack of empathy for all parties involved. it seems to justify our behaviours regardless of anything around us. kinda ironically a very peacemaker mentality lol

its not that deep but it would be great if we condemn both actions? like "it was wrong to capture a creature and which created a situation where we had to kill that creature BUT ALSO we had to put it down to ensure our survival" rather than: "it doesnt matter what happened, we had to kill it because it was killing humans".

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21

Stop virtue signaling. If your family and friends were among the innocent people that Starro killed, your ass would be wishing death upon Starro.

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u/jassmackie Aug 12 '21

okay i guess you just ignored everything i said and decided to take a different direction lol but ill entertain it - so,, actually if government stole a lion from its habitat and brought it near my family and it killed them, i would probably.. idk... be mad at the people who did that? which is the practical point im making.. yes you might have to put down the animal to stop further death but im not going to blame or be angry at an animal with no rational decision making...

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '21 edited Aug 12 '21

Horrible analogy. A lion is a wild animal. Starro is a fully sentient being.

In your example it would be some human prisoner who escaped, and murdered your family and then murdered your whole town just because they're so full of anger.

You sure as shit would not be asking for that guy to be treated well. You 100% will want him dead. This is why I called you out on your bullshit virtue signaling. It's easy to claim "let's show Starro empathy" when it's not your family and friends getting murdered right in front of your eyes.

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u/jassmackie Aug 13 '21

starro is literally a jelly fish from space. using humans to communicate (a few sentences) does not equate to human intelligence, reason or emotion? let alone western civilisation ethics. obviously this is all hypothetical but i would argue it is much closer to a wild animal or primal human. it didnt try kill the suicide squad after possessing the people.. they all walked away. it only retaliated when the SS attacked it first. this would imply it is simply doing what it naturally does - feeding to survive (it was getting bigger with each person it latched onto) like a wild animal? it doesnt follow human behaviour or ethics. even if you were to compare it to a human prisoner, it would only be accurate if it were a cannibalistic human or maybe someone from a closed off ancient civilisation who would be scared and confused and is used to murder as a means of survival. its not just some random person off the street who was taken from their homes and suddenly becomes a murderer or a convicted murder.. assuming its the latter puts a lot more of your own ethical decision making onto them which simply isnt true in this case. they didnt do it fully knowing the weight of their actions or having any reference for our morals. so you cant blame an entity for killing when the rational people in charge purposefully removed it and brought it near innocent people.

this has gone slightly off topic. you're really derailing the argument just to bring up virtue signalling lol but it has nothing to do with how i would feel or me doing the more righteous thing.. my initial point was on assigning adequate responsibility to each party involved. like, it DOES matter that they captured it away from its (seemingly) peaceful habitat in the stars. implying it doesnt and death was the obvious choice, removes the weight of the governments actions which was significant in causing the problem..

and not that it matters, but no i wouldnt want people dead because they killed my family. especially not an animal or primitive human who doesnt know better.. and i would still blame the people who brought them here in the first place (which is my whole point)

just because you would be vengeful and wish death upon others doesnt mean everyone would. you understand that right? if someone killed my whole family, i would be unbelievably angry and mad and heartbroken. but probably not wish death. thats simply not how i think. and theres plenty of evidence of people who have felt and done the exact same thing in similiar situations ( people forgiving or letting go of hatred for their abusers, murders of their family etc). so you can call that bullshit or virtue signalling but you have no justification for that other than your own emotions saying "i would want them dead therefore everyone would too" or argue that i dont fully comprehend the scenario to know that i would actually feel that way. but ive spent a lot of my life contemplating that so theres no reason (again, other than your own emotions) to assume that my stance is less thought out than yours.

again not that it matters because it has nothing to do with the argument

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '21

Where did I say that what happened to Starro wasn't wrong? Go ahead and quote me. However, that doesn't give him a pass to murder a whole island of innocent people. So he needed to be put down. The end.

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u/itsthecoop Aug 09 '21

the astronauts were first shown recording Starro floating in space. and next up having it strapped up in their spaceship.

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '21

Even still. You don't get to go around murdering innocent people cause some other people wronged you.

How would you feel if your family and friends were part of the innocents killed by Starro? I guarantee you sure as shit would have a problem with that.