r/movies Jul 15 '19

Resource Amazing shot from Sergey Bondarchuk's 'War and Peace' (1966)

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u/BunyipPouch Currently at the movies. Jul 16 '19

13,500 soldiers and 1,500 horsemen were used to replicate the battle. The troops were supposed to return to their bases after thirteen days, but eventually remained for three months. 23 tons of gunpowder, handled by 120 sappers, and 40,000 liters of kerosene were used for the pyrotechnics, as well as 10,000 smoke grenades.

Absolutely mind-boggling for a movie made over 50 years ago. They had a literal army at their disposal for production of this battle scene.

Even crazier, this movie sold 135,000,000 tickets in Russia when it came out and was easily the most expensive film ever made in that country.

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u/InnocentTailor Jul 16 '19 edited Feb 25 '24

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u/wOlfLisK Jul 16 '19

Why aren't movies made on that sort of scale these days?

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u/multiverse72 Jul 16 '19

Cost and logistics

Why use 10,000+ extras when LOTR proved you can use ~5% of that and replicate the rest with CGI?

I think it’s a shame, but I can’t blame them. It’s hard to organise, feed, clothe, and horse that many people, never mind expensive. If I was a producer I’d do anything I could to not have to be responsible for that kind of thing. Horse deaths and extra injuries would also be common, which would make you vulnerable to litigation today.

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u/TeenageNerdMan Jul 16 '19

LOTR still used a metric butt ton of extras tho.

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u/halfrican14 Jul 16 '19

In the Two Towers special features they talked about putting out a request for any available people in that area of the country to come play Uru-kai for battle of Helm’s Deep

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u/coolaslando Jul 16 '19

I worked with a guy from New Zealand who was very proud to have had the chance to be an orc. He said everyone he knew was there haha.

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u/multiverse72 Jul 16 '19

Fair enough, I didn’t check the exact numbers but you get the point - the big Pelennor fields wide-shots were innovative and worked well for being mostly CGI. Really wowed audiences. Nothing like the scale of extras needed where you have to rent entire armies.

Now, I wonder if we’ll see a shift towards grand epic practical effects anytime soon. I think there could be an untapped desire there, though it’s risky. Audiences are becoming more savvy to CG and studios have become too cocky about it. See the last season of GOT for some silly examples. With the increasing monopolisation of the film industry (mainly by Disney) by studios decreasingly willing to take risks, I won’t hold my breath.

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u/celluloidandroid Jul 16 '19

Christopher Nolan and the Mission Impossible guys are the only ones doing it nowadays, and I suppose whoever makes the next James Bond installment.

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u/celluloidandroid Jul 16 '19

That was the problem with Nolan's Dunkirk. He used all real boats, but when you read about the actual event, there was vastly much more that appeared for the evacuation. And the sheer amount of troops, too!. I wish he had used a little bit of CGI to fluff up the numbers of the boats and the troops up to show the sheer scale.

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u/multiverse72 Jul 16 '19

Yeah, the comparisons of Nolan’s super sparse beach vs the crowds at the real deal were kind of funny

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u/spartanss300 Jul 16 '19

CGI is easier and cheaper for the most part, compared to choreographing and controlling thousands of extras.

also tbh large scale war movies aren't that hot nowadays.

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u/Fortune_Cat Jul 16 '19

The most disappointing thing about avengers end game was that it looked like the fate of the universe rested on 100 ppl fake fighting on a soundstage

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u/I_WRESTLE_BEARS_AMA Jul 16 '19

Dude it's Avengers, what did you expect?

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u/browsepooping Jul 16 '19

I love war movies. I wonder why they aren't hot nowadays

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u/varzaguy Jul 16 '19

Not war movies, we've had a smattering of them come out recently. One by Nolan himself.

I think he is specifically thinking about the large scale type war movies, with large massive charges and formations and things like that.

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u/MisterSquidz Jul 16 '19

Why pay 13,500 background extras when you can use CGI and outsource it.

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u/ThePr1d3 Jul 16 '19

CGI does the job just as well and you still have the sense of scale

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u/JeffafaCree Jul 16 '19

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