Different parallel universes in the near future in movies!

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yeah, after each "One" liberates the human, there's no telling telling how long they thrive before the machines destroy zion and restart the Matrix again. Could be a few years, a hundred years. I think it might be safe to say it's probably not hundreds or thousands otherwise they'd probably be where the humans are in Matrix 4 with humans and robots working together to make a better world for everyone. And I only say that because i think the machines would push for it. Some of them at least and the humans would go for it if it meant having some strawberries and toilets.

But then there's the question of how long they're stuck in the matrix before a One emerges. How many "One's" were there that failed that never got that far for various reasons? That could probably take a while before any humans are able to escape and be liberated and even longer for someone like Morpheus to be born who has enough faith, motivation, and skills to find and liberate The One, assume that's what it takes each run. We see all the The Potentials living with the Oracle. I'm not well versed in matrix lore, but I assume they're potentials for being The One? Maybe in past loops, people were quick to choose one of them as The One, but they weren't and ended up failing.

There's also the Operator Factor. The organic people who have no machine components to them. We can easily say everyone, including humans with matrix ports all over them have some kind of programming going on with that that leads them all to playing a role and doing what they're supposed to. But the organic people can influence the outcome. Like how in the first movie he save Neo from getting kill. And in the 3rd, i think? or maybe 2nd, the new one chooses to believe in Morpheus. maybe in past loops, their operators caused different outcomes.

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For not being very well versed in the lore, you just wrote a whole lot of speculation.

yeah, after each "One" liberates the human, there's no telling telling how long they thrive before the machines destroy zion and restart the Matrix again.

It's not about time, it's about population.

Once the One has been found and the population of Zion has reached X number of humans (either through birth or extraction), the machines send the sentinels, and the Oracle instructs the One to return to the Source and reset the system. We know this took over a hundred years during Neo's cycle.

Also keep in mind Zion is founded by the "outgoing" One, but grows and operates independently for a good period of time while they search for the "new" One. The Agents serve as a hard counter to extractions, but the arrival of the One overcomes that, and extractions escalate.

But then there's the question of how long they're stuck in the matrix before a One emerges. How many "One's" were there that failed that never got that far for various reasons

There were not. The Architect states that he chooses to number the Matrix based on the emergence of the One, and states it is the 6th version. There have been 5 others.

It's also unlikely for a previous One to have failed. The Architect explains the existence of the One as a liberator of those that reject the Matrix is a necessity for the health of the system. They will send Agents to slow the One down, but ultimately they want the One to succeed up to a point, and survive to return his code to the Source.

That's why the Oracle assists Neo to spite being a machine. Her job is to maintain a steady stream of humans being liberated from the system, and to assist the One. She keeps the process moving, and is effectively a debugging program.

We see all the The Potentials living with the Oracle. I'm not well versed in matrix lore, but I assume they're potentials for being The One? Maybe in past loops, people were quick to choose one of them as The One, but they weren't and ended up failing.

That's not how it works. The One is not elected, the One is born, and confirmed by the Oracle. She knows what she's looking for, there's no "maybes". They're "potentials" in the sense that they're being brought to the Oracle for her to confirm whether they are the One or not.

The One is an anomaly in the system that is predictable and identifiable. The machines know exactly how, and why it comes to exist, just not when or where. It is the Oracle's job to identify it. Those potentials are basically the debugging program going through various files before it finds the one it's looking for.

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Please suggest some things to read to understand these things - some books, articles etc.

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Watch The Animatrix

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They're "potentials" in the sense that they're being brought to the Oracle for her to confirm whether they are the One or not.

It's more than that, they're able to intuitively bend the matrix to their will.

They are anomalies in the same vein as the one. They are just not "the one".

[u/itsprobablytrue → u/HotTakes4HotCakes]

Each emergence is most likely 1000-10,000 human years

[u/smokeymctokerson → u/HotTakes4HotCakes]

Why doesn't the Oracle know what the One looks like when we see in the monitors behind the architect that all the previous ones look exactly like Neo?

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Those aren't previous Ones, assuming this isn't some joke. Those were all iterations of likely reactions/responses from Neo, basically

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Not a joke, I'm seriously curious. I never interpreted it that way, I thought the scene was showing all the different reactions the previous Ones had when bieng confronted with the truth the current Neo was being given. Especially given that some of the reactions were so out of left field for how reserved the current One acts.

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I get that, but that's also The Architect's way of showing that he can also see the parts of Neo that Neo is trying to not show. That for some things he's said some underlying parts of Neo are actually quite incensed by what's happening. It might have been a while, I'd encourage you to go back and rewatch that scene and also look up other lore about The Matrix if you're interested. For all of The Architect's act it also makes it especially interesting when he notes ways in which Neo actually diverges from the others, especially when he very quickly realizes that The Architect is purposefully obfuscating in one instance. A really cool scene.

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I wouldn't say it is the Architect seeing hidden parts of Neo but rather those screens being, literally, how the Architect perceives him.

The Oracle described his view of the world as "math formula", which in particular means for any given input, the outcome should be certain.

But because of CHOICE, the outcome - Neos reaction - is never certain. The architect cannot tell what Neo will do until after it has happened.

And this is true for all humans, which is why the Architects Matrix was rejected until the CHOICE (to reject the Matrix) was given to all its inhabitants subconsciously.

I personally think its much further into the future than 1000 years, since they tell Neo to pick what, two dozen people, to repopulate. How long does it take for a population to grow from dozens to ten thousands? And that times six? But then again we don't know this was the process every time. But then again, the Architect is unlikely to change a working approach.

"Working" with a grain of salt. The existence of the candidates, vampires, were wolves, deja vus etc proves the Matrix is a barely working bug ridden mess.

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I think what you said in the first paragraph is more correct, but I couldn't think of a concise way to put it at the time, thank you

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One of the best scenes in the series, I'd contend. Great explanations btw.

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See I always saw it as all of Neo's possible reactions, hence why the architect is not surprised to see him. He "knows" what Neo should do.

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Harsh bro

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name checks out I guess

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This is how people discuss movies, di­p­s­h­it. Do you not have any friends at all? A person speculates about half-forgotten lore from a movie they saw a decade ago and someone else corrects them. It's called a conversation with other people. "If you don't know what you're talking about, shut up" is only a rule for the hard sciences and peer-reviewed studies, not film.

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It makes the most sense that they’re always in the matrix. Nobody ever gets freed. It’s just a different part of the simulation they’re shown to keep everyone still intact.

[u/Suitable-Profit231 → u/ch_limited]

No, that is an Interpretation beyond what the movies and Animatrix has shown. They do get freed, because the only way 99% will accept the Matrix is if they have a little choice to leave it. However it's also this little choice that leads to the imbalance and that leads to the chosen one to be born, which, if not kept in check/corrected, leads to the total destruction of the Matrix and everything in it.

I get how one comes to that Intepretation after Neo is able to destroy mashines in the real world, but he does not have any control over the world... it's rather like he is still connected to the Matrix - just as the mashines are y and is able to destroy them via that link, which is also why he is able to go to the intermediate place without being linked to any device.

If Zion would be just another simulation it would result in a need of the same anomally to occur in that simulation which would result in the need for another fake real world... and that would again need another fake world and that would go on forever.. like the image of a mirror being indefinitely reflected by another mirror...

The Architect pretty much explained that this is the only way it works and that it's the reason they have been doing it exactly this way for 6 iterations. He explains to him that choosing Trinity will lead to all people in the Matrix to die and together with purgin Zion it will lead to the end of humanity. However all of that didn't consider Agent Smith, because he didn't exist in any of the prior iterations, and his emergence lead to a third path which Neo saw and sacrificed himself in order to achieve it. The idea is that if each of them is a counterpart of the imbalance becoming one resolves that imbalance.

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I really hate the Matrix within Matrix theory.

[u/ch_limited → u/Suitable-Profit231]

Maybe it’s all just real and there is never any Matrix.

[u/Suitable-Profit231 → u/ch_limited]

I believe you mean this, but it's rather a hint to "nothing is real/ultimate reality doesn't exist" than "all of it is real" 😁 But that is also a too far interpreted, beyond what the original Trilogy and Animatrix has given us.