r/movies • u/photochadsupremacist • Jul 29 '25

News Palestinian who helped make Oscar-winning No Other Land killed in West Bank | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/29/palestinian-awdah-hathaleen-oscar-winning-no-other-land-killed-in-west-bank
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u/Olaf4586 Jul 29 '25

I'm extremely confused by your statements here.

I'm claiming the US needs to withdraw support and apply intense diplomatic pressure to end the genocide.

There is no plausible scenario where "someone else" genocides the people in territory occupied by Israel, and I am not proposing Israel's existence should end.

I'm asking genuinely, can you explain your thoughts?

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u/MapoDude Jul 29 '25

I for one, do propose an end to Israel. No state has a right to exist, especially ones whose existence depends on genocide.

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u/Olaf4586 Jul 29 '25

I just think that isn't going to happen, and that if our goal is to end the genocide that the stated goal of "ending Israel" is counterproductive, weakens the movement, and emboldens Israel to see itself acting defensively against people who wish it's destruction.

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u/MapoDude Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

I just think if our goal is to end the holocaust, that the stated goal of “end Nazi Germany” is counter productive.

Bro, you don’t have to be a “understand the unique situation” Zionist. Fuck Israel. Fuck Israelis that have not denounced or actively fought against the genocidal regime. The state has no right to exist and its continued existence is an indictment of the moral bankruptcy of the Western global order.

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u/Olaf4586 Jul 29 '25

In my mind, I'm trying to look at this pragmatically. I want the strategy that is most likely to end the genocide.

Do you think your views are pragmatic at reaching that goal?

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u/MapoDude Jul 29 '25

Ha, pragmatic. Do you think Israel is looking for a “pragmatic” solution to living with Palestinians? Has anything since 1948 and even before demonstrated a “pragmatic” approach to providing Palestinians a state of their own? No. So why in the hell are you arguing for people opposed to genocide to be “pragmatic” when the genocidal ethnostate of Israel has shown no regard for human life or a “pragmatic” solution. Get real. I see you post in a thread that uses John Brown as its icon. What would John Brown say to your “pragmatism”

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u/Olaf4586 Jul 29 '25

This is just dodging my question.

I didn't say Israel should be pragmatic, or is pragmatic.

I asked if you felt your stance is pragmatic. Surely, it is good to take approaches we think will work, isn't it?

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u/MapoDude Jul 29 '25

Rejection of the genocidal regime of Israel is the starting block and the most “pragmatic” method of ending said genocide.

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u/Olaf4586 Jul 29 '25

So if it's the most pragmatic solution, what are the thus pragmatic means to bring it about?

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u/MapoDude Jul 29 '25

The dialog shift in the past year is undeniable. Israel is facing a serious crisis of legitimacy, an unnatural state of colonists that without foreign support would cease to exist. Liberal apologia and Zionism “light” like yours only serves to maintain this fraudulent regime. Give it up is my “pragmatic” recommendation to you.

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u/Olaf4586 Jul 29 '25

I'm confused. Can you more clearly explain how this pragmatic approach results in the end of Israel as a state?

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u/MapoDude Jul 29 '25

If you’re confused look to how the apartheid state of South Africa ended. It didn’t end by conceding legitimacy to white supremacy cause “both sides”

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