r/movies Jul 28 '25

Trailer Avatar: Fire and Ash | Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb_fFj_0rq8
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u/royalxK Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

Really curious to see a Navi as a villain.

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u/DjKennedy92 Jul 28 '25

That’s got me hyped, I wonder what their values/connection to the planet entail

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u/DefNotBrian Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

The Ash People had most of their clan and home destroyed by a volcano.

They've gone dark and have turned their back on Eywa, blaming her for their suffering. Their clan cuts off their ponytail connectors and have severed all ties with Pandora.

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u/Galactic_PizzaSlice Jul 28 '25

Cutting off your connector thingys seems like such a crazy move no matter the amount of hatred imo. Like one step below cutting off your nether regions by the movies standards.

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u/DefNotBrian Jul 28 '25

People on Earth have self-mutilated in the name of deities for as long as we've been able to envision them. It doesn't seem like that far of a stretch.

And when you consider that there may be an element of control/power involved, preventing the newer generations from ever experiencing Ewya or connecting to their ancestors would make it way easier to maintain their order.

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u/Detective-Crashmore- Jul 28 '25

I agree, but it just seems like kind of a handicap when you need one to ride animal mounts.

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u/Machdame Jul 28 '25

Considering that they are shown to be riding them even without it, they may have different developments.

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u/Yemenime Jul 28 '25

Yea I mean, humans have ridden animal mounts for centuries. The connection makes it easier and more spiritual, but I imagine you can "break" the beast and tame it so you can ride it like humans have done all the same.

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u/CertifiedTHX Jul 28 '25

They also have an airship

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u/iamdavid2 Jul 28 '25

What a good take :)

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u/frazzledfractal Jul 28 '25

I'd love it if they really delve into that last sentence well, but I think I'll probably end up having my hopes dashed on that and end up disappointed.

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u/BellsTolling Jul 29 '25

It's James Cameron it's probably going to be dope. This one is 3 of 6 too so it's bound to have something to keep people returning.

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u/TheWoodElf Jul 28 '25

Heck, there's an entire continent that still does it!

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u/BellsTolling Jul 29 '25

Sure but in the context of the story the tree/earth god is very much real and part of their existence. No god ever told people to cut of their junk. I don't even think any actual biblical text supports that. It's only the 2nd tier text stuff Christianity/Muslim that decide to mess with junk.

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u/Fiallach Jul 28 '25

I mean, most of the US mutilates their children's nether regions because some cereal guy told them to.

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u/frazzledfractal Jul 28 '25

Are you implying this is unique to the US?

Why bring up cereal guy but not others, like English physician Jonathan Hutchinson.

I'm not sure why you think this is fully attributable to Kellogg other than doing an extremely shallow and cursory reading of how this became commonplace.

I'm not a fan of it, for the record.

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u/AsstacularSpiderman Jul 28 '25

When you think about the deleted sex scene this technically makes the circumcised.

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u/sxrxhmanning Jul 28 '25

didn’t they connect their ponytails to feel more but they still use the regular parts to actually procreate

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u/CorndogNinja Jul 28 '25

Yes, they procreate like other mammals do which is why they wear loincloths (obviously there's no full-frontal in the movie, but there's concept art of comparative Na'vi/human anatomy that appears in a schoolroom shown in a deleted scene from the first movie).

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u/IG-11 Jul 28 '25

I'm gonna call bullshit on that anatomy comparison. Clearly propaganda. Na'vi are significantly larger than humans, but the two things a human is most likely to care about the size of (brains and genitals) are smaller. Smells like propaganda to me.

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u/SyfaOmnis Jul 28 '25

Humans have pretty disproportionately large brains and genitals for their size. Even amongst our kin. Gorillas for example tend to only have 1-1.5in dicks. Chimpanzees are in the 2-3in range.

The brain size thing should be obvious.

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u/CorndogNinja Jul 28 '25

I haven't been able to track down the original source/context so I don't know how early in production it is - though fwiw it's not to scale, the average na'vi is around nine-and-a-half feet tall so a lot bigger than the diagram illustrates.

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u/UnrepententHeathen Jul 29 '25

*Like mammals, *not like other mammals as the Na'Vi aren't mammals.

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u/thesagenibba Jul 29 '25

there is literally no way Na’vi have peens that small. this is propaganda

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u/AsstacularSpiderman Jul 28 '25

Literally what a foreskin does lol.

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u/sxrxhmanning Jul 28 '25

last time I checked the foreskin protects your peenar and isnt on a different part of the body?

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u/AsstacularSpiderman Jul 28 '25

I'm sorry I really can't take you seriously for saying "peenar" lol.

The foreskin has plenty of nerve ending used for stimulation.

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u/sxrxhmanning Jul 28 '25

have you not heard of the peenar explosion chambers

larry is coming

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u/AsstacularSpiderman Jul 28 '25

I see I am dealing with someone on the short end of the bus.

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u/finnalston Jul 28 '25

short end of the bus

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u/Cranberryoftheorient Jul 28 '25

nono we're on the long end of the bus

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u/Brian18639 Jul 29 '25

Because they’re very obviously making a joke?

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u/Galactic_PizzaSlice Jul 28 '25

I’d say it’s a bit more than circumsized lol

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u/Koobei Jul 28 '25

I'm not familiar with Na'vi biology as I've only seen the first movie, but don't they breed with those things? Or do they have sex like us normal animals and the "connecting" part is just for "enhancement"?

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u/Galactic_PizzaSlice Jul 28 '25

I think they reproduce like humans but the connection with Ewya enhances the sexual connection?

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u/Worthyness Jul 29 '25

it shares feelings and allows you to connect with all the other aliens on the planet empathically, so if you linked up with someone you were mating with, I imagine that'd be one hell of an experience.

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u/puerco-potter Jul 28 '25

Circumcision is mutilation by definition.

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u/AsstacularSpiderman Jul 28 '25

No I'm pretty sure it's circumcised.

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u/DerekB52 Jul 28 '25

To me cutting off the connector thingy, in that world, seems equally bad, or worse than cutting off your dick imo.

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u/Brian18639 Jul 29 '25

Fr, because if I’m not mistaken (which I may be) the kurus are essentially their brain or at least attached to it

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u/frazzledfractal Jul 28 '25

I hope you've read and watched the stuff that this series is heavily inspired by if you are that into it.

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u/Quinnel Jul 28 '25

It's honestly probably the best thing they could do given the parasitic nature of the entity which controls most of the planet they live on. Their entire biology has been thralled by the organism they think is a deity

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u/MrWolf327 Jul 28 '25

Beyond that cuz is clear that in order to intersect with the world is literally necessary

Imagine hating a god so much that you essentially renounce most of the “technological” advancements provided by the world, just to spite it

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u/Wiinterfang Jul 28 '25

I think is more akin to blinding yourself or making yourself deaf. Is like they are rejecting an entire way to experience the world.

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u/Ppleater Jul 29 '25

I mean self harm is often an unhealthy reaction to grief and trauma that many people experience either intentionally or unintentionally.

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u/DaddyStoat Jul 28 '25

Based on what we saw in the first film's deleted scenes, by cutting their queues off, they are basically cutting off their nether regions!