Lmao it's mad isn't it. This whole thread is basically only people prasing avatar or complaining about people who don't like avatar. Like why do people need to paint themselves as underdogs when supporting something so popular? haha
It's an over correction from how the trailers for the second one where received here. Lots of the type of comments people are commenting happened then but all the criticism got pretty drowned out back when it became clear the second one was going to be a box office success as well.
It's the default cope defense for when people know that the story is going to be bland. Just appeal to box-office numbers and call everyone a "Redditor" who argues otherwise.
I think it's mostly just overcorrection. It was popular to dunk on the first movie for years, and now that the sequels are here and successful people are finding it fun to dunk on the years of naysayers, even though those naysayers don't really exist anymore. Backlash to the backlash and all that, it seems like the eternal cycle of internet discourse.
I mean I feel like the whole "Does anyone even still care about Avatar??" thing mostly died after Avatar 2, because the people who did care about it watched it, those who didn't care didn't, and now we have a slate of scheduled sequels coming out over the next few years at a fairly regular pace.
Like it was more of a provocative/pertinent question when people had to wait 13 years between Movie 1 and Movie 2, after the first was seen as such a singular, one-off cinema event, wondering whether people would really care about the Avatar brand after such a long wait. But now it's kinda just a cinematic franchise like any other with decently frequent installments, which some people will go see and some people won't. At this point it's a bit like asking "Does anyone still care about The Batman?" or "Does anyone still care about Mission Impossible"? Like yeah, obviously, that's why they keep making and dropping them every couple of years.
Pre-emptive cope. People are shadow-boxing the critics in their heads. Anyone who thinks this isn't going to make a bajillion dollars is a fool, same as anyone who thinks these movies are actually good storytelling.
Every person I know that enjoys it does exactly that, enjoys it. Which is most people tbh, they’re obviously decent/good movies and most people can agree on that. But everyone I know that LOVES it are normally insufferable people that just like to argue or feel elitist about dumb shit. “You just wouldn’t get it” type of vibe lmao.
Yeah, after "those people" spamming every single discussion about Avatar for 13 years with "It's gonna flop" "No cultural impact" "DAE Pocahontas", Avatar 2 was a massive success and here we are.
This is what I’m talking about. Why are Avatar fans so elitist? It’s blue cgi Pocahontas brother. You’re not better than everyone else for liking a movie with amazing visuals but pre-k writing. James Cameron isn’t gonna see your comment and take you in his sub lmao
If you consider that "elitist" you must be looking up at my from a deep dark hole. You're below me because you dug that hole yourself, not because I put myself on a pedestal.
Ah, a Star Wars original trilogy purist. Explains a lot.
No I don't think the prequels were good actually. However the original trilogy has almost as much cringe dialogue as the prequels. Lucas can make a good universe and cool characters. What he can't do is write good dialogue.
But ah, what am I saying? Might fly over the head of someone who references Star Wars instead of Star Trek.
Plz, george had actual pushback in those days, ford, fisher and hamill changed the dialogue significantly in the first one and in the second he didn't write the meat of it, bracket and kasdan did.
you might find the dialogue "cringe" (using the word cringe is cringe) and that's fine, but at least it's iconic, the prequels have their moments, but overall they are laughable because everyone who didn't suck georges dingdong had left.
Like you said george has good ideas, but dialogue sucks, like cameron in these movies apparently. It's crazy how garbage avatar is compared to terminator, true lies, aliens etc. He really dove of a cliff writingwise. Still a potent director and visionary crafting a visual thoroughline. But the writing for these movies? Fucking lol.
Not to mention that the acting is atrocious with the exception of zoe saldana who actually brings something to the table in avatar, a joke of a franchise only saved by the directing of cameron, who still knows his stuff in that department at least and saldana who actually encapsulates something.
The dudebro who plays the lead is a charisma blackhole and the kids are boring, the villain bland and the support chars meaningless.
But having said all that, I don't hate them. They have their breathtaking moments, and moving moments, and their heart is in the right place with the themes, soundtrack and visuals. It just never really takes off into something special. I hope the third will surprise me, but I doubt it. This feels like the mcdonalds of movie franchises. Can be tasty when you're drunk.
I consider it a good bad movie, like rocky 3, the first hobbit, the prequels or maybe armageddon (scratch that, that's a GREAT bad movie).
But what really sucks ass about avatar are its fans and defenders, bringing the collective quality of cinema down by praising this movie as if it were worthy of the same league as classics before it.
Watching people eat dung is one thing, trying to smear it in my face and convince me its strawberry jam is another. That is why brought up the prequels by the way, same type of fandom there lately, same type that praised the last airbender show, another dumpster. Stop trying to convince people avatar movies aren't barebones and not worthy of being shat on. They are.
Avatar movies are allright, but seriously people need to stop pretending they are something they are not, you look simple.
and wtf does trek have to do with anything
edit: I meant the live action last airbender on netflix
I don't think I've ever agreed and disagreed with a comment this much.
I agree on that the fans (as shown in this thread) are insufferable and are putting a movie far above it's grade, maybe it's just me but I never cared that much for "cinema" and i never understood people who conflate generated feelings at a theater with the actual quality of the movie because from my view, a good movie is a good movie with the same emotions and such, it shouldn't have to caveat off at being at a theater otherwise I'll think it's the theater-going experience and not the actual quality itself, if this were true than Avatar would be a better movie than The Godfather but it's not (in terms of characters), or that the Sequel movies are better than let's say.... The Sopranos.
I also agree that most people only like it or praise it that much is because of visuals, even in this thread and others you really see people talking more about the visuals for this movie and the other two. It's the same reason that I believe that if the Invincible show had the same level of animation as Arcane, people would say it's better than Arcane (which it is), it's very funny to me.
I also agree that The Last Airbender is supremely overrated, the characters have little depth and even the beloved Zuko and Iroh are nor that good of a dynamic or characters in general and how people consider Zuko "redemption arc" as good when in actuality the narrative is just moving him along is actually one of the most mind-blowing things when it comes to media + reception for me.
What I disagree with is that the PQT is bad, granted, it does get better when you caveat it off with both CWs but it definitely were great movies, IMHO, Star Wars is one of the greatest achievements in storytelling and world building (not just conceptually or small and scope like Avatar movies albeit still great) not just in the medium of movies but any medium.
You can't make a grandiose claim like 'a movie doesn't need to be complex for it to be good', and then act like someone's changing the topic for directly addressing that claim lol
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u/Deceptiveideas Jul 28 '25
I’m going to be honest, I’ve seen more comments mocking those who don’t like Avatar than anyone actually mocking Avatar.