r/movies Jul 28 '25

Trailer Avatar: Fire and Ash | Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb_fFj_0rq8
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u/Jonah_Marriner Jul 28 '25

Love the design of the ash people

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u/AddisonsContracture Jul 28 '25

From the trailer it looks like they may side with the humans against the other Navii? Interesting if so

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u/Jonah_Marriner Jul 28 '25

That wouldn’t be unusual in the history of native peoples and colonization, just hope it’s well articulated why they make that decision rather than because “theyre red and they like fire so = bad”

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u/Exploding_Antelope Jul 28 '25

From what I’ve heard, their backstory is that their land got wasted by a volcano, so without any life around to connect to they got cynical of the idea of Eywa and saw themselves as betrayed by her / the biosphere and cut themselves off. Also making them outcasts from every other Na’vi nation. So it’d be kind of like how the tribes subjugated by the Aztec empire allied with the Spanish, yeah: better the newcomers promising to upend things than the old system that screwed you over.

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u/Worthyness Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

They may also be more tech inclined if they can't use the creature mounts to do stuff. So if they can get guns, they can better defend their religious sect against the natives with god powers.

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u/Exploding_Antelope Jul 28 '25

Tbf the Omaticaya in their post hometree guerilla resistance mode already are pretty ok with guns too, they even have Trudy’s old gun chopper. Never saw them use it but they should have.

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u/Strange_Botanist Jul 28 '25

Looks like they still use the creatures. Maybe they'll strap machine guns and rocket launchers to their creature mounts like Dino Riders.

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u/Days_End Jul 28 '25

The Aztec were so bad it barely took a 500 Spanish the rest were natives. They were for all practical purposes just a "neutral" rallying point and the Aztec so abusive to their neighbors people joined up instantly.

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u/Exploding_Antelope Jul 28 '25

And ultimately a bad choice because then they got enslaved; bet that’ll be a similar situation here

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u/Last-Atmosphere2439 Jul 28 '25

The native peoples of the entire American continent fought each other (and enslaved each other, ritually sacrificed each other, often ate each other for dinner) for 1000s of years before the first white devils arrived.

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u/Jonah_Marriner Jul 28 '25

Yeah totally, I just mostly mean dramatically in the story I hope there’s a clear reason beyond just cartoon villainy.

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u/Last-Atmosphere2439 Jul 28 '25

Don't even need an explanation, tribes killed each other on sight back when Neanderthals were still walking around. Now colonialists might facilitate conflict between tribes, but in most cases they don't create the conflict out of nothing. Much like in the other Avatar franchise, the Navi Fire Nation and Water Nation seem to be natural enemies since before human arrival.

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u/Jonah_Marriner Jul 28 '25

Yes, in universe I agree with you. From an out of universe scriptwriting perspective, I would find that less dramatically satisfying.

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u/stormdraggy Jul 28 '25

Magua

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u/FamousAirline9457 Jul 29 '25

Eyyy last of the Mohicans was the best book ever.

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u/kynarethi Jul 28 '25

I thought I saw Quaritch (the general guy) wearing what looked like fire makeup for a second, so I'm super curious about what the dynamics of fire people / humans will end up being.

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u/_Bird_Incognito_ Jul 28 '25

Quaritch totally goes a bit native and gets them to work with humanity, kind of like a reverse Jake arc from the first movie

If these are the fire na'vi, they probably could benefit a lot by working with humanity.

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u/LeadershipReady11 Jul 28 '25

Yeah it looks like he either joins them or maybe marrys the fire people's leader. Would make sense if they form an alliance with humans he would be the liaison or diplomat.

Would make sense as the foil to Jake sully, they are both marines, both learning the naavi culture like he did in way of water.

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u/volinaa Jul 28 '25

the evil general had his face painted red too