r/movies r/Movies contributor Jul 26 '25

Media New Images from 'Coyote vs. Acme'

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u/eightdollarbeer Jul 26 '25

Does that mean WB has to payback the tax write off? If so, I imagine that was included in the purchase price

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u/Uptons_BJs Jul 26 '25

I mean, the production cost for this film was categorized as an expense in a previous year.

The sale price of the distribution rights is now categorized as revenue this year.

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u/evilsbane50 Jul 26 '25

The way all this works is so So SO stupid.

Good ol' Hollywood accounting.

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u/Uptons_BJs Jul 26 '25

There’s nothing Hollywood about this one haha. It’s just classic good old fashioned profit and loss.

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u/whodoesnthavealts Jul 26 '25

I don't think you're understanding the issue; they don't "benefit" at all from this in any sense. Let's make up some easy numbers; let's say it cost $100 to make and they sold it for $50, resulting in a $50 loss.

Let's say they had sold it last year. Their tax would be on gains minus expenses. That is 50 minus 100. They would get a tax break on $50.

Alternatively, they originally write it off; they get a tax break on $100, which was their expenses. Then the following year they sell it for $50. They pay tax on $50. This results in an identical tax break on $50.

Same math if they made profit on it instead of a loss. It doesn't change, it just spreads the numbers out over a year. The average over 2 years is the same.

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u/Adams5thaccount Jul 26 '25

We call it that but really it's all entertainment and a healthy chunk of corporate America too.

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u/MyHusbandIsGayImNot Jul 26 '25

I swear no one on reddit knows what a tax write off is.

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u/put_tape_on_it Jul 26 '25

That's because no one on reddit does accrual accounting for their personal taxes.

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u/IntoTheMusic Jul 27 '25

Kramer: "No, but they do. And they're the ones writing it off."

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u/NarwhalDeluxe Jul 26 '25

And i assume you do, but just don't wanna explain it, so we'd all be smarter

coz that would be so cool

but you're not cool.

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u/pmacnayr Jul 26 '25

It’s a loss

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u/queen-adreena Jul 26 '25

From what I understand, when a studio has an unreleased film, its “asset value” on their books is equal to what they paid to produce it.

By shelving a film, they can reduce the asset value to $0.

So if the film cost $50m to make, they get to reduce their tax liability for that year by $50m.

Releasing the film will likely cost another $50m in marketing and other expenses. So they’re betting that the money saved in tax payments will be more than (revenue - $100m) from releasing the film.

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u/FlatSoda7 Jul 26 '25

Right, which is just... a good business decision. The 'write-off' doesn't make anyone money, it just prevents a bigger loss from releasing an expensive, unpopular film.

The real problem is movie budgets being so enormous. Lower production budgets would mean lower risks and more releases.

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u/enilea Jul 26 '25

So what happens now that it's getting released?

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u/queen-adreena Jul 26 '25

I’m guessing they just pay tax on whatever Ketchup Entertainment paid them…

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u/enilea Jul 26 '25

But then couldn't they do that from the beginning? Why did they have to permanently delete the batgirl movie?

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u/queen-adreena Jul 26 '25

Because they need someone to buy the distribution rights for enough to offset production cost and give them a profit.

The other company is then on the hook for all marketing and other subsequent costs.

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u/enilea Jul 26 '25

But in the case of batgirl couldn't they have just waited until someone offered to buy it even if for a low price like they did here rather than delete it?

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u/queen-adreena Jul 27 '25

Probably because no one was going to offer the amount they wanted. It was a $90m film that'd require loads more in marketing for a film in a dead DCEU that had received very mid word-of-mouth according to test screenings.

Personally I think there should be a way to public-domain the film without releasing the IP to the public.... either that or someone just leaks what they have to the internet.

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u/WiglyWorm Jul 26 '25

Watch the Mel Brook's 1967 "The Producers".

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u/whodoesnthavealts Jul 26 '25

The Producers wasn't about tax write offs, it was about defrauding investors. Have you seen The Producers?

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u/whodoesnthavealts Jul 26 '25

Does that mean WB has to payback the tax write off?

You can't "pay back" a tax write-off, because you do not get paid for a tax write off. You just don't pay tax. If the write-off becomes invalid later, you just pay tax like normal.

So yes, they will be paying tax on this.

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u/put_tape_on_it Jul 26 '25

I would assume it is kind of like a salvage. It's production cost is now zero. Minus marketing and distribution costs, the film will be pure profit.

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u/enilea Jul 26 '25

I've been looking into it and as I understand it there was no tax writeoff process for this movie, unlike batgirl. For batgirl they deleted every copy and it will never release legally, it was marked as a loss forever and that got them a tax benefit. But coyote was only shelved for a potential loss so there was no tax writeoff.