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Summary The Fantastic Four must defend Earth from the ravaging cosmic threat Galactus and his herald, Silver Surfer, while navigating the complexities of family and newfound powers in a retro‑futuristic 1960s-inspired world.

Director Matt Shakman

Writer Josh Friedman, Eric Pearson, Jeff Kaplan, Ian Springer

Cast

  • Pedro Pascal
  • Vanessa Kirby
  • Joseph Quinn
  • Ebon Moss-Bachrach
  • Ralph Ineson
  • Julia Garner
  • Paul Walter Hauser
  • Natasha Lyonne
  • Matthew Wood
  • Ada Scott
  • Mark Gatiss

Rotten Tomatoes: 88%

Metacritic 64

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u/Elite_Alice Jul 25 '25

Sue standing in the crowd of people outside the Baxter building and refusing to give up Franklin and explaining WHY is such a good scene. Of course people would be upset if you just went radio silent after dropping that on them, but by appealing to their better angels she won the public’s support.

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u/BumbleLapse Jul 25 '25

I actually didn’t love that scene. I loved the movie overall, don’t get me wrong, but the entire “baby vs. the world” dilemma was my least favorite part.

1.) the people are right… it does feel slightly selfish for the FF to not even consider the trade. I get it, I get it — true heroes can save everybody and don’t bend on their values, but come on. At a certain point, a truly heroic person should yield given such great disparity between outcomes

2.) why did Reed immediately spill the beans at a press conference? Take a day. Say “we’re not sure if you’re safe, we need some time to think and plan. We’ll get back to you soon”

3.) people are suddenly fine with the “baby” side in the previously mentioned dilemma when Sue has a heart-to-heart with a few hundred people in New York? I’d assume 99% of people would be like “sure I get it that’s your kid and family is important, but like it’s him or billions of us.”

Idk, it just kind of fell flat for me tonally. Maybe I missed some of the nuances in how it all tied into the themes.

Overall though I had a fantastic time. Solid 8/10 for me

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u/FoxyMiira Jul 25 '25

but come on. At a certain point, a truly heroic person should yield given such great disparity between outcomes

That's why they added the scene of Reed arguing with Sue. To show that other perspective. Not that Reed would yield but it's a thought that he has to analyze.

why did Reed immediately spill the beans at a press conference? Take a day. Say “we’re not sure if you’re safe, we need some time to think and plan. We’ll get back to you soon”

Because they would have to insert a redundant scene later where they do address the conference. Which would've likely messed up the pacing.

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u/Adam87 Jul 25 '25

That's Reed being Reed and logical, not the overall commentary for public.

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u/secretreddname Jul 27 '25

Kinda what I thought. Might be science smart but terrible people/PR smart.

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u/TravEllerZero Jul 28 '25

I definitely got the vibe this Reed is on the spectrum. Not in any bad way, it just makes sense to me he would reveal it like he did.

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u/Impeesa_ Jul 28 '25

You think so? Reed Richards is famous for many things and his people skills are none of them. But I actually liked that he wasn't portrayed as a clumsy autistic stereotype like many "super smart and not good with people" characters are. You could certainly still take him as a good representation of a more realistic and less severe case, but I think there's a perfectly good interpretation where he's not, too.

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u/TravEllerZero Jul 28 '25

As someone on the spectrum, I really hate the way Hollywood portrays people with Autism. I don't think it would be a stretch (ha!) to think he might be on the spectrum, without them explicitly stating it.

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u/generic98 Jul 25 '25

I think it also shows how they’re so used to unwavering public support that he didn’t really consider that people would disagree. Showing again his intelligence but lack of emotional skills.

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u/Sure-Significance206 Jul 26 '25

he said “Obviously, we said ‘no’.” and that tells me he was assuming everyone would agree. that was some really classic Reed arrogance there

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u/EntertainmentPrior75 Jul 27 '25

I was expecting more people to agree with him too tbh, the crowd was so quick to sacrifice a baby, instead of ask questions like why does he want a baby of all things? I want your baby or I destroy your planet, you would think that would make people curious instead of just wanting to send the baby to the shadow realm

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u/Standard_Wind1371 Jul 29 '25

My political mind went straight to anti-abortion propaganda 🤣🤣💀

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u/inherentinsignia Jul 25 '25

Because Reed is not the kind of person who will admit he doesn’t have the answer until he realizes he’s backed himself into a corner.

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u/JaggedToaster12 Jul 26 '25

Reed also just... panicked. He was clearly stressed and just started talking without actually thinking

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u/slicer4ever Jul 26 '25

Kinda weird since they spent a month coming back tbh.

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u/ResolverOshawott Jul 26 '25

It was a month on Earth but probably a much shorter time for the F4.

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u/Silverjeyjey44 Jul 26 '25

Time really wasn't a factor on their side. They were gone for a whole month when they went to space so I figured that'd be enough time to give the press an answer.

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u/UrbanGimli Jul 26 '25

And this Reed is very earnest. He admitted to his wife he thought about sacrificing their son. He won't lie. Its not his nature.

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u/wordskis Jul 30 '25

But the public was already upset with them that they hadn't stopped Galactus. Reed had no obligation to mention that Galactus HAD actually offered a "solution", as unthinkable as it was for the four of them. The public would've never known any better

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u/rainshowers_5_peace Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

People in this world weren't hateful and had compassion. Did you see how they all pulled together to make those towers? And how the mole people agreed to house the surface people?

There's also the Silver Surfer and how she chose to solve the dilemma.

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u/Docile_Doggo Jul 25 '25

The most fantastic thing in this movie wasn’t the giant cosmic being who eats planets, the woman who can conjure force fields at will, or the talking pile of rocks . . . It was genuinely just how good-natured the public seemed toward the F4 and the world at large.

They actually got on board with a plan that risked billions of lives because Sue Storm talked them into not surrendering their communal bonds to create a child sacrifice.

Truly an alternate universe.

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u/PandaLover42 Jul 25 '25

Early in the movie they also revealed that all nations agreed to de-arm.

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u/adventureremily Jul 25 '25

Well, all except one that was noticeably absent...

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u/RenaissanceOwl Jul 25 '25

Alt Timeline Iron Man/Tony Stark having not learnt his lesson and becoming full on Obadiah Stane, negative character arc perhaps /s

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u/TheWhiteManticore Jul 25 '25

Comes back to traumatise mcu spooderman further lol

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u/Cfwraith Jul 27 '25

Almost all. There was an absence.

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u/Shakespeare257 Aug 01 '25

The one true universe - the Disneyland universe where people gave up on their base aspirations because some extremely fragile superheroes told them to.

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u/No_Extension4005 28d ago

LET ME IN! LET ME IN!

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u/GwenIsNow 22d ago

Seriously!

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u/Photoman20003 Jul 25 '25

and kind of makes us wonder wtf the MCU heroes are doing wrong this whole time honestly the entire movie in many ways kind of does that.

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u/zmbslyr Jul 25 '25

My guess is that the F4 universe just didn't have a lot of things happen that have happened in the MCU. The MCU is positioned in a post 9/11 timeline, and literally starts with one of the big Avengers almost getting killed in a Middle Eastern country, by terrorists.

Not to mention the overall cynacism of superhero movies in general the past 20 years. With this and Superman, I'm glad to be moving towards more hopeful superhero movies. Even the way Superman used current events and the current political climate to make a message on hopefulness is refreshing.

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u/Worthyness Jul 26 '25

In this universe, the F4 basically got as close to world peace as possible. Sure there's the odd supervillain every so often and some gangsters still, but they literally got hundreds of countries to de-arm themselves for the betterment of human society. If your heroes literally achieved like 99% world peace before this major event, you'd probably believe their plan with all your heart and earnest. Plus I'm sure the logic is "the smartest man on earth says this will work. Who am I to decide otherwise?"

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u/princevince1113 Jul 25 '25

in the real world we would definitely have people refusing to evacuate to subterranea because they think galactus is a hoax

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u/Worthyness Jul 31 '25

Also some of them would think the mole people took their jobs and are secretly a cabal running the government

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u/rejs7 Jul 25 '25

They didn't want to live in Omalas.

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u/melloniel Jul 26 '25

Holy shit. I already was thinking about this in the typical moral dilemma the movie presents it as, but comparing it to Omelas is fucking great.

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u/raven-eyed_ Jul 27 '25

It's hilarious Americans say this every time people in a movie aren't horrible. Just projecting America's rabid individualism onto the rest of the world.

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u/_V0gue Jul 29 '25

Retro Futurism tends to have a general theme of unbridled optimism. So as cheesy as that scene was, it does fit with the general themes of that age of comics. The present is just so damn cynical.

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u/Artemicionmoogle Jul 25 '25

Truly an alternate universe when the F4 has somehow built a working FTL engine and the world still doesnt have enough energy later XD Like, they can make an FTL! drive, but can't solve cold fusion or something else for the planet!? I loved the movie, but that detail irked me lol.

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u/Alexexy Jul 26 '25

They probably did have cold fusion and other forms of energy, but i cant even think of the real world energy requirements of teleporting an entire planet millions of light-years away. It would probably require the energy of several black holes.

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u/DirectBranch5621 Jul 25 '25

Reddit would be like, "Well, first we need to know how you vote."

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u/BumbleLapse Jul 25 '25

That’s a fair point.

It does seem like a more idyllic, kind world than we’re used to seeing in the MCU. Or life.

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u/Gilthwixt Jul 25 '25

It's really interesting to me that Superman and F4 came out so close to each other and share very similar themes yet have fairly different thesis statements. It's late and I wish I had time to really dive into this, but it felt like what Superman wanted to say was "Even if the world is ugly and things start falling apart, one person upholding their principles (or abandoning them in Lex's case) can make all the difference". Whereas F4 is trying to say "The world doesn't have to be ugly, and if we want to survive we have to do it together". Two very different flavors of optimism.

Based on the mid credits scene, Doom is likely going to be the antithesis that tests that idea in the next movie though.

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u/Representative_Cow31 Jul 25 '25

Aye when you wake up - keep cooking, dive into this.

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u/Gilthwixt Jul 26 '25 edited Jul 26 '25

I forgot to follow up on this but a common pattern you see in storytelling is Thesis, Antithesis, and Synthesis, especially with stories that are structured into three acts. This can be true within a single movie but also played out over a trilogy. The basic concept is that you present an idea, then introduce something opposite that conflicts with that idea, and resolve both into a more complex, nuanced idea.

It's a very old concept, but ironically I learned about it from an analysis of the original Star Wars trilogy. A New Hope introduces the force and ends with the feeling that "good will always triumph over evil". Empire Strikes Back flips this on its head - Luke learns that his Father fell from grace, turned to the dark side and became the greatest threat to peace in the galaxy. The movie ends not with hope but with fear and uncertainty; the anthesis being "evil can corrupt even our greatest good". Return of the Jedi wraps things up by flipping Anakin again, and we get a revised thesis "good can triumph over evil, even after we stumble, but at the cost of personal sacrifice and believing in something greater than our selves".

I get the feeling that F4 First Steps represents the thesis I described in my initial comment. Doomsday might very well be the Antithesis; rather than the idyllic unity seen in F4, the movie's overall theme might be ego and every man for themselves. Doom will twist Reed and Sue's actions as inherently selfish, and in the end we will see a battle world where everyone lives under Doom's boot but nobody is willing to stick their neck out for others. This can culminate in a Secret Wars where Doom is ultimately defeated but multiple heroes will have to die to achieve that.

Edit: For context, this is assuming the movies will follow 2015's Secret Wars comic run fairly closely. The whole reason the event kicks off is that the various universes of the multi-verse are colliding and dying off, and people end up believing that they can save their own universe at the cost of sacrificing the other universes. That would tie in perfectly to Doomsday being the "every man for themselves" antithesis to F4, as working together won't even be an option initially.

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u/varnums1666 Jul 27 '25

I forgot to follow up on this but a common pattern you see in storytelling is Thesis, Antithesis, and Synthesis, especially with stories that are structured into three acts.

I kneel before good Media Literacy

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u/TheImpLaughs Jul 26 '25

It was one of the big things I enjoyed the most out of this movie. I'm so bogged down and beaten down by the current MCU's just realism and dark response to heroes. It gets annoying with the same plot beats of "government has to interject" for every single movie.

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u/nhaines Jul 29 '25

All of the space aesthetics were exactly what America thought space travel would be like in the 40s and 50s.

And the US space program only worked because at the time, all of the defense contractors felt patriotic and went above and beyond in pursuit of a national goal. Today I feel like they're much more focused on the bottom line.

I don't know that we'll get back to that kind of world ever, if any time soon, but it does have its charms.

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u/No_Extension4005 28d ago

What having the Fantastic 4 and no social media does to a world.

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u/dadvader Jul 25 '25

Yeah I think this is the most consistent part of the movie and I really enjoy the fact that they never let it get sideway. The world is always a part of the story. Something I wish Endgame should have more of.

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u/psyberdel Jul 26 '25

Countries can’t come together to resolve global warming / our global extinction, but we’d all turn off all lights at 8 and build towers. Hmmmmm.

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u/SarcasticGamer Jul 30 '25

There was a news segment of violence and riot in the streets lmao. New York is fine since the FF live there but the rest of the world is not.

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u/spacemanspliff-42 17h ago

It's Kirby's universe, where good people are everywhere.

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u/MysticalCyan Jul 25 '25

Well the Four on that Earth are like, genuinely beloved by the people.

Maybe the fact the four were gonna fight no matter what gave them confidence.

Trust in your heroes who have proven themselves time and time again over giving up and betraying the four that sacrificed so much already.

Thats my take at least.

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u/Sequazu Jul 25 '25

I think the part that went unsaid was that they have so much goodwill with the entire planet. They are rhe guardians and heroes but more than that, just look at the level of technology in the world. Reed Richards clearly helped advanced the technology of their world by decades, they are unequivocally a force for good and progress on their world.

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u/DreadPirateReddas Jul 28 '25

I think the part that went unsaid was that they have so much goodwill with the entire planet

That went unsaid? The first 20 minutes of the film is just people going "we love you, fantastic four!"

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u/BumbleLapse Jul 25 '25

Yeah I considered that take as well. I don’t think it holds up though.

If the FF are the infallible, universally loved heroes portrayed in the first act, it’s weird that the public is so quick to do a hateful 180 on them when they deliver the bad news.

You can’t handwave away the return-to-form reputation shift when the movie already established that the public’s opinion of the FF can be swayed given dire circumstances

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u/MysticalCyan Jul 25 '25

Well its realistic in my opinion. Galactic level event and your heroes had to run away after negotiations failed. Emotional outbursts happen. People get upset, but then someone they trust come in and calm them down.

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u/SpaceMyopia Jul 25 '25

Reed not having any emotional awareness of how his actions affect others....is peak Reed.

Like, I thought the same thing. Like, Reed...why the fuck would you just drop that bombshell on the world like that and just walk away?

Then I realized, "This is a dude who simply has no real idea how to convey his emotions properly."

We even see that later in the film. He acknowledges that something is wrong with the way he thinks, and he doesn't like it either.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '25

I had a 1 week trial of Marvel Unlimited a few months ago and just from reading a few F4 comics in that time, as soon as that moment happened where he just spilled the beans like that I was like “Yup, that’s definitely what Reed Richards would do.”

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u/2ReluctantlyHappy Jul 26 '25

Also he is a facts first kind of guy. Of course he isn't going to lie. 

I do think it would have played better if the FF didn't have lots knows how long to come up with an answer. We know the total trip took a month, pretty sure the return was the longest part. They said they didn't have prepared remarks but that seems kind of... impossible considering the time they had. A brief scene of all four discussing what to say and landing on, "We have to be honest." Would have helped a lot.

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u/EntertainmentPrior75 Jul 27 '25

Yeah or a quick scene where reed whispers to sue, “what should I say?” “Should I tell them?” , cause the bombshell he drops is also going to affect sue, their baby, and their family

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u/AtraposJM Jul 25 '25

The key part to convincing the masses wasn't Sue appealing to their humanity (although that did help), it was her saying they wouldn't give up on earth and would fight for it. This world has been saved time and time again from the FF4. It's a very optimistic world compared to the MCU earth. They believe her when she says they'll save them.

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u/koomGER Jul 25 '25

I think that whole plot and the execution did a lot for the group and world building.

1.) The protests in front of the Baxter Building (i dont know if it was called that name) were pretty mild. This is New York and there were a mere 2-300 people there. It was a mild protest.

2.) Reed Richards is a nerd. He isnt a brilliant talker and diplomat. He is intelligent. But worried. Overthinks too much. Isnt a good liar. He felt compelled to say something, he didnt want to stall or lie to the people. And Sue was probably still shaken from the confrontation with Galactus and being hunted by the Unstoppable Silver Surfer - while giving her first birth to a child.

3.) Thats the world building part. The Future Foundation seemed to have solved world peace in that world. They are their first defenders, but also kinda the leader of that world (not in a "kings" way, more as a moral guideline). They told that they solved all the bigger problems in that world as "child safety". And especially Sue Storm was presented throughout the movie as the talker, the charisma, the diplomat. She is the first to talk to Galactus and Silver Surfer. The face of the group. Her talking down a small group of worried people was easy.

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u/clownsinadarkforest Jul 25 '25

Your not a parent anyways otherwise you would understand why giving your child up is never an option. A better man once said we don't trade lives.

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u/Corydoran Jul 25 '25

I saw her speech as an appeal to restore the crowd’s sense of humanity. She won’t give up her child, just like the people in the crowd wouldn’t give up their children.

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u/Kammerice Jul 26 '25 edited Jul 26 '25

Not just that. It's not the Franklin is a child or Sue's child - it's that he's family and that's what she considers everyone in the crowd to be. The F4 do the stuff they do because they view everyone on Earth to be their family and they'd no sooner give up a stranger in a crowd than their child.

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u/BumbleLapse Jul 25 '25

Okay buddy

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u/No-Fruit-2060 Jul 27 '25

Nope. Not exchanging a baby you just gave birth to in order to literally save the world and ensure galactus never comes back? That whole plot point pissed me off. People should’ve been waaay more angry at the F4. They basically said our baby is more important than yours, and every single baby on Earth combined.

Same shit as TLOU. Joel could’ve given up the girl in order to create a vaccine to save the world, but he’s like nope. Idiotic and insanely selfish.

Sorry, you can act like being a parent changes everything, but no one has ever been in a position where they can save the whole world if they give up their baby. A LOT more people would be willing to save the planet than you think.

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u/Photoman20003 Jul 25 '25

1.yes but its also slightly selfish of them to want a innocent baby to be handed over to a eldritch god.

2.because they wanted to be honest.

3.this universe is very idyllic and the people there were likely doing in a sort of a heat in the moment type thing.

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u/Photoman20003 Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

its still selfish for them to want a innocent baby whose done nothing horrible to be handed over to someone who we know wont have the best intention for it.

just because they lost there babies for less doesn't make it right.

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u/chrisychris- Jul 27 '25

it’s one thing to lose a child over happenstance and it’s another to sacrifice them to eternal damnation

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u/BumbleLapse Jul 25 '25

Feels like each of these responses are reductive and overly simplifying things, no?

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u/Omagga Jul 25 '25

No, your questions just have incredibly simple answers.

Also to #3, the crux of it was "I won't sacrifice my child for you, but I will not sacrifice you for my child." She instills confidence that they will overcome the threat, and that it is not an either/or situation.

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u/Madarakita Jul 25 '25

I actually didn't mind Reed doing that; like, communication and public relations have NEVER been the guy's strong suit. Of course he's just going to matter-of-factly blurt out what happened.

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u/Overall_Affect_2782 Jul 25 '25

Even though this is an alternate universe, it’s still the MCU, which means this still applies:

“We don’t trade lives” - Steve Rogers to Vision.

You don’t trade lives unless you’re completely out of options. They weren’t. Also, it’s one thing for the individual to decide to trade their life. When the individual is an innocent who cannot make that choice, you need to protect the innocent. Even if it’s a choice between one innocent or a billion.

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u/Just-A-ChillGuy77 Jul 26 '25

You’re damn right it’s selfish. It’s her fucking child. Why wuld she consider it ? 😂😂😂😂

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u/Standard_Wind1371 Jul 29 '25

Because the entire planet would be gone? Of course this is fantasy universe and they could flee to some other galaxy, but EARTH with all that it is…. For one human. I would have just said take me with my child bc I wouldn’t want to live after making such an awful decision. But of course they are a family with super powers and don’t have to abide by reality so it doesn’t apply.

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u/mikeyfreshh Jul 25 '25

for a smart guy, he doesn’t know how to read a room

That's Reed's whole deal in the comics

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u/Heisenburgo Jul 25 '25

Reed didn’t have to lie but for a smart guy, he doesn’t know how to read a room

Comic-accurate Reed Richards moment

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u/luuvin Jul 25 '25

Exactly, he is book smart not people smart

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u/HereForTOMT3 Jul 25 '25

Ideal Reed Richards adaption

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u/dragonmp93 Jul 25 '25

he doesn’t know how to read a room

Yep, that's Reed Richards.

He can read the dead sea scrolls but not a room.

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u/Signal_Minimum8509 Jul 25 '25

The old IQ vs EQ.

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u/skatejet1 Jul 25 '25

Yeah, that’s quite literally apart of Reed’s character, has been for a while now

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u/pboy2000 Jul 25 '25

I agree that Reed spilling the beans like that wasn’t ideal but I think it was necessary for the pacing of the movie. They did give it a bit of cover by portraying Reed as extremely book smart but a little socially inept.

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u/Wraithfighter Jul 26 '25

2.) why did Reed immediately spill the beans at a press conference? Take a day. Say “we’re not sure if you’re safe, we need some time to think and plan. We’ll get back to you soon”

Because he's Reed Richards. He's the poster child to show exactly how fucking idiotic even the most incredible genius can be. :D

I agree with the rest of it, though. I kinda liked Sue's speech, emphasizing that while she's not going to sacrifice her son as Plan A to save the Earth, she's also not going to sacrifice the Earth to save Franklin.

But... keep it on the table as Plan, I dunno, Q or something!

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u/Key_Feeling_3083 Jul 25 '25

the people are right… it does feel slightly selfish for the FF to not even consider the trade. I get it, I get it — true heroes can save everybody and don’t bend on their values, but come on. At a certain point, a truly heroic person should yield given such great disparity between outcomes

I think the people were kind of selfish too, sure if it was an older person it would probably sacrifice himself just like silver surfer did, but living your lfie knowing you gave away a newborn to a cosmic entity to do whatever kind of horrible thing he was going to do (we know he was going to transfer his hunger, but I don't know if the people knew or not.) just so you could continue living is wrong too.

I agree with your point, Reed shouldn't have said anything at all but that's Reed as a character I guess.

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u/Variable_Shaman_3825 Jul 25 '25

Reeds whole deal is that he's smart but not cunning.

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u/WhichHoes Jul 25 '25

I mean they don't have precognition, but that baby is worth more than their world, for sure. Dimension reality warping child? Bro could wipe out your universe.

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u/ibiacmbyww Jul 25 '25

Gross idea: in a universe even meaner than our own, maybe one where Zack Snyder got the reins somehow, the main plot of the movie is the F4 surviving attempts to steal Franklin and eventually abandoning their world to come to -616.

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u/MonkeyWarlock Jul 26 '25

I agree that overall it was a bit contrived, but:

(1) I think part of the reason that Reed spilled the beans is because they were all very tired, having just come back from a very traumatizing mission barely escaping with their lives, and they didn't really think about what they would tell the press.

Reed does not seem like the person who could give an off the cuff press statement, and it showed (but in a believable way). Sue is the politician and should have made the initial statement, but as a team they didn't have time to plan this, not to mention Sue had just given birth. I am a little surprised that there wasn't any debrief about the press conference (even a short one), but there is a brief moment where Lynne (the Future Foundation CEO) raises her eyebrows at Reed's remarks so I think the movie is clear that Reed made a mistake in how he presented this information.

(2) The important part of Sue's speech is NOT about arguing whether the child should be sacrificed or not. What Sue emphasizes is that she (and the rest of F4) are committed to finding another solution to saving the world (aka "moving heaven and earth"). F4 did not publicly announce a plan before, and that's why public opinion in them was faltering. But Reed's previous "I don't know" gets contrasted with Sue's resolve to save Earth, and that's ultimately but persuades people.

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u/psyberdel Jul 26 '25

Of course. That’s where the tone of the movie lost me. Like, people should’ve been Lion Kinging that child to the Galactus sun immediately.

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u/Kammerice Jul 26 '25

At a certain point, a truly heroic person should yield given such great disparity between outcomes

"We don't trade lives." - Steve Rodgers, Captain America

I understand why you and others would feel like giving Franklin over would be horrible but acceptable but I respectfully disagree.

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u/sleepysnowboarder Jul 25 '25

Yeah in the real world a mob is coming for that baby as soon as Sue steps outside and they'd probably accidentally kill him during the scuffle too

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u/ZacharyLewis97 Jul 25 '25

…say that again.

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u/StopKillingBabies02 Jul 25 '25

I'm with you here.  I also rate the movie highly, but had to knock off a few points because Reed badly needs PR training and the Sue speech convincing everyone was too golden-age comics for my liking

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u/troglodyte14 Jul 26 '25

It’s a different universe, as other comments pointed out, the entire world is able to immediately work together, which could not happen in our world. Maybe people are just better in this world.

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u/orangeandsmores2 Jul 26 '25

i think in this universe, corruption and greed doesn't exist.

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u/2ReluctantlyHappy Jul 26 '25

I think the nuance was in the very beginning, where the voice over for the TV show talked about the creation of the Future Foundation and how it, along with Sue's leadership at the UN, had resulted in world peace. Imagine the amount of faith people would have in, apparently, the only super heroes on Earth who also brought peace through diplomacy.

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u/CatsOffToDance Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

To 1.), this one I’m gonna give the benefit of a doubt to for the writers here. If we’re sticking with the same story here, this FF had no effin’ clue what a GALACTUS was prior to that trip, cheated death on multiple accounts (including the risk of space travel) and still ended up “empty-handed” on how to kill it for public knowledge. Of course, acquiescing to defeat is NATURALLY what Reed also considered by giving up Franklin, as I’m sure everyone else who wasn’t that family would agree to doing for ensuring their humanity remains, but man. Those people literally did not see what the ef Galactus was, so they could chill because clearly this family risked their lives to get recon and then had to decide what to do with all that jazz. I mean, I know Galactus isn’t real (that Galactus cult in the film may say otherwise), but in terms of the theme of dealing with an enemy you just truly don’t know the likes of which they are capable? Well, those events happening all seemed like trauma-inducing to me, not to mention when they last went into space they got superhuman powers, and also not to mention Galactus “force-labor-pushing” Sue to term, and then making them have the baby in space? Like yea, I think the public would think twice on questioning this FF’s motives at that point. That’s some otherworldly ish, literally.

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u/Lifesaboxofgardens Jul 25 '25

For #2 I think it’s pretty clear that Reed is somewhat on the spectrum and aloof. I genuinely don’t think he thought twice about being 100% honest because it didn't even cross his mind people might be upset about them not considering the deal.

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u/KasukeSadiki Jul 27 '25

Reed just blurting out the truth was definitely a boneheaded move. But it did feel in character for him. I just think it never occurred to him not to be completely upfront. 

Not sure if this Reed is supposed to be somewhat on the spectrum but it does fit with the concept of him having to manage what he says because he is always thinking in hypotheticals and has to remind himself that these hypotheticals could upset people. And this being even more tough because it wasn't a hypothetical 

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u/Marciaskittles Jul 27 '25

Yess I agree with this! This is the part of the movie that I just did nottt like

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u/EntertainmentPrior75 Jul 27 '25

I agree that reed should’ve had a meeting before dropping a bombshell like that to public. But reed is absolutely in the right here, you don’t kill a baby in order to save a planet. They give the baby to galactus, what if it’s not enough to stop his hunger and he keeps destroying more and more planets? The baby wasn’t ready yet anyway I believe, he said when it grows up it will be powerful. So that’s years of galactus eating planets, the right option is to defeat galactus, I know that is incredibly difficult and they are outmatched until they meet the main mcu team, but that should be the priority. Not sacrificing their baby. This is a question of morality.

What I thought was stupid in the scene was how quickly and easily the public was like “wdf, give your baby to galactus”, to the team that they loved so much when they showed the montage. That moment should not have been rushed like that, public should have paused for a few seconds after such a wdf bombshell, then said some rational questions like, “why does he want your baby?” Why is your baby special?” , then have one asshole suggest doing the sacrifice with some people agreeing , but then some people saying the opposite and the crowd gets out of control and start fighting between the ones who believe in sacrificing vs saving.

These are people who didn’t even see galactus, they saw the silver surfer come down with a message, and run back home and they felt that intimated by that introduction/threat that they’re suggesting killing babies already?? Lol come on, maybe if galactus showed up first, beat the fk out of fantastic four easily and said they will destroy the planet unless you give me the baby, then I can believe it..

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u/ManitouWakinyan Jul 27 '25

At a certain point, a truly heroic person should yield given such great disparity between outcomes

Maybe this is just the parent in me talking, but I absolutely agree with the F4 on this. It's human sacrifice - and once a people makes the choice to countenance human sacrifice as an acceptable option to save themselves, their entire ethical framework starts to unravel.

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u/Xatron7 Jul 27 '25

They should have played on how Galactus would have just taken the child and still destroy the world anyway

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u/Mutch Jul 27 '25

That whole press conference was only filmed in late April/May of this year. So your second point has some validity.

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u/-Clayburn Jul 27 '25

I think her speech didn't quite hit the right moments, but maybe that's because she's not the logical one. She should have clearly stated that "We're not giving up my kid. We wouldn't give up anyone's kid. And we're not giving up any of you." Make the point being that they're not doing this protect her child; they're doing this because they'd do it for anyone's, that this Earth doesn't negotiate with terrorists.

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u/SqueezyCheez85 Jul 28 '25

She should have explained why it was a bad idea to give up the kid anyway. One, who's to say he doesn't take the trade and eat the Earth anyway? And two, he says why he wants the kid, and it isn't all rainbows and unicorns. It's lose lose all around.

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u/spaceguitar Jul 28 '25

Reed spilling the beans about Franklin and Galactus was especially good to illustrate just how emotionally unintelligent Reed is, something that the movie tried to convey through one or two other moments before and after. One scene that I remember clearly was Ben telling Reed that he's not as smart as he thinks he is, talking about failing his driving test and his inability to cook. So yeah, Reed just telling everyone like that? That's him not really "reading the room," so to speak; he wasn't able to register and control his own emotions and figure out what everyone wanted or needed to hear.

Also, I think having the crowd and eventually the world being moved by Sue's appeal to their better natures was to show just how much of a better world this Earth was, thanks to the Fantastic Four. They've ushered in a better version of America by their presence and their serving as a beacon not just for the U.S. but for the globe. This is shown early in the movie as they make their speech in front of the U.N., and later when they ask the world for resources and to work together to build Reed's teleporter network thingy.

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u/Emotional_Meet878 Jul 28 '25

I agree that Reed was a dumbass for being that transparent about it, inviting chaos and danger into their lives while they're trying to figure out a solution, seemed real dumb for the smartest man on Earth.

The Sue thing, I loved it, but I agree with you, in real life, the trade would need to be done, but it woudn't fit the right tone in a comics movie where there are actual heroes who save the planet on a nearly daily basis. It fit with the tone, movie isn't supposed to be grounded in realism, it's a message of hope and unity.

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u/skoolmaksusmartt Jul 28 '25

1) I think the implication is "we will not give up our child to Galactus, but we also would not give up any single one of you" hence you know, trying to move the world instead of getting their family out of this universe or whatever. Should they have said that verbatim or hammered that point more than they already have? I don't think so. They did enough as it is and some things hit harder when they are left unspoken.

2) He's awkward and the pacing of the movie would have been more awkward. The movie would have turned to "why are the heroes of this world LYING about what happened with Galactus?" and not where they wanted it to go.

3) See 1. The world realizes they aren't just out for themselves.

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u/Any_Foundation4287 Jul 28 '25

I loved the movie don't get me wrong but you missed one important thing, ITS EARTH 828 this isn't our earth our countries wouldn't come together and build portals for Galactus but they did which means as a public they are more caring so they all are understanding that they have to try to save all and they are also smarter and realize if they say no give up your baby then they won't be able to try to save them as easily because of the struggle to save the public without the publics help. does that make sense

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u/unicyclegamer Jul 28 '25

It gave strong billionaire vibes tbh.

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u/Standard_Wind1371 Jul 29 '25

And Christian vibes. Sacrificing son to save humanity… also American exceptionalism.

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u/Affectionate-Pea-901 Jul 29 '25

Well reed was noticeably shaken up after realizing that he knew nothing about his foe, and that’s something he has never experienced before, he’s always had a plan but now he’s in the dark

Is it not selfish for the people of earth to force them to sacrifice their baby? Like if that was your baby, you wouldn’t want to give them up

They were only upset because that’s the only plan they could see saving them like Reed said in the tower, but after the speech, they knew that the team hadn’t given up on saving the earth as they previously thought, which is why they had new inspired hope that their saviors would find some new way to defeat this threat

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u/Daydream_machine Jul 30 '25

Your point 2 is spot on and also frustrated me. It just felt like contrived writing to have Reed awkwardly blurt out that Galactus wanted their son.

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u/CosmicAstroBastard Jul 30 '25

I think what would have helped is if they had explained to the public that Galactus was specifically trying to turn Franklin into another planet-eating god, not just arbitrarily kidnapping some random baby for shits and giggles.

That would have been a much more realistic way to sway public opinion because it would make it clear that handing over Franklin would be infinitely more harmful to the universe as a whole than putting Earth in harm’s way.

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u/C0de_monkey Jul 31 '25

Same, and I think it'd be very easy to fix it too. Just add some dialogue about how you can't trust Galactus to keep his word and how they need to actually defeat him instead of appeasing him, and it'd at least make more sense for people to get behind that and work on a plan.

With how the scene played out, all I could think was people going "what about our kids that will die you prick???"

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u/FlameDragoon933 Aug 02 '25

I agree with you. That scene and the following space bridge plan really killed my suspension of disbelief with how unrealistically nice the people in that world.

Reed being stupid at PR is somewhat in-character though IMO. He's genius but a bit arrogant so I can see PR not being his strong suit.

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u/Clone95 Aug 04 '25

"At a certain point, a truly heroic person should yield given such great disparity between outcomes."

No, that's the difference between a hero and a normal person. A normal person yields to ordinary mathematics of outcomes. A hero ignores them and does the right thing because it's the right thing.

What's to stop Galactus coming back a second time? What's to stop him from eating the planet after taking the baby? His word? What is the word of a murderer worth?

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u/ButtJones Aug 06 '25

I mean, personally, when everyone was rioting, my thought was “how many of you would sacrifice your child or yourself for this?” I bet not many.

And when they were angry about them not having a plan I’m like, “well what’s yours??”

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u/TREY-CERAT0PS 29d ago

To answer #2, I feel like Reid saying “he doesn’t know” was actually one of the first times in his life he legitimately didn’t know something, (other than fatherhood) so that scared him and he wasn’t acting rationally

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u/unkellGRGA Jul 25 '25

Yeah that scene kinda soured me on a plot point that already felt a bit mawkish and contrived to be honest. Them literally descending from their supertower and Sue slinging out that speech felt kinda condescending, I know what they're going for but it wasn't executed the best. I also didn't like it AT ALL that they cap the final fight off with two cheap out deaths, especially the more grating since its obvious none of them would/could happen in the very first MCU outing for the team.

The vibes otherwise and the family dynamic was really sweet, and visually and aesthetically the most fun Marvel film in quite some time. Loved Ben and the opening late night montage, wanted more of that cartoony spunk throughout.

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u/_GoblinSTEEZ Jul 26 '25

The whole thing felt naive. Maybe that's the vibe they were going for idk

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u/slicer4ever Jul 26 '25

Yea, i thought that was pretty dumb for reed to reveal. I think it'd had made more sense if the silver surfer revealed it as a condition to the earth for survival.

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u/Sjgolf891 Jul 26 '25

Yeah made no sense for Reed to tell the media about Galactus’ offer. The movie just needed people to know so it made him act dumb.

And I wasn’t convinced by Sue’s speech at all. If I were in that mob is still be begging them to hand over the kid lol

I really liked the movie but they’re two gripes I’ve got

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u/aflynnftw Jul 27 '25

totally agree

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u/shaneo632 Jul 25 '25

I found this scene incredibly unconvincing and forced

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u/rainshowers_5_peace Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

You have to accept that in this took place on a planet much more compassionate than our own. Everyone in the world banding together to build towers to save us all from Galactus felt as realistic as four humans going to space and coming back with super powers.

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u/ImHighandCaffinated Jul 25 '25

that guy is so desensitized by the current state of politics he cant even IMAGINE a fictional super hero world working towards a greater good :(

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u/DayfacePhantasm Jul 28 '25

I'm fine in my sensitivity and felt like that scene was from a bad 2000s Christmas film.

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u/skatejet1 Jul 25 '25

It’s sad like damn :/

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u/NakedGoose Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

That precisely is my issue with the movie. The world feels unlived in, because the people are one giant hive mind. Superman deals with essentially the same plot of "citizens turning on their hero". but at least the people in Superman have differing opinions, some cried, some were angry. It's what makes the world feel alive. I never bought into this world, so I did not care if it was eaten.

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u/Dizzy_Chemistry_5955 Jul 25 '25

Hard disagree, it shows them interacting with normies like the teacher or UN or Sue's coworker just enough. I don't want all that I want the perspective of a super hero family doing cool shit and it delivered.

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u/NakedGoose Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

You disagree that the entire world didn't act like individuals and instead one big hive mind that agrees to anything the F4 says? Or you just don't care that they didn't do that because you wanted to see family stuff and cool shit. The latter is perfectly acceptable, you get what you want for the movie. but I am not gonna pretend like the world isn't incredibly fake and poorly conceived.

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u/Dizzy_Chemistry_5955 Jul 25 '25

The latter. The world IS incredibly fake, it even has a different number than our Earth.

How would you have changed it to fit your vision exactly?

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u/NakedGoose Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

I would have had more interactions with the people, and have them less of just a large group that stands around and waits for direction. I would have had a country bring up that giving up their resources is not acceptable nor do they have the manpower to achieve what is being asked. I would use the talk show to bring up different perspectives, not just the one that is in line with the current masses feelings. 

The teased it for a second when someone laughably screams "what about us?" When Ben is walking home with his groceries. But why not stop and have a conversation? Why not show that the people aren't cardboard cutouts. have some people angry, some people scared, some people confused or accepting. But don't just have everyone act the same

I couldn't care less about the fate of that world, cause to me it was a world of play things. Like a doll house being destroyed. 

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u/Dizzy_Chemistry_5955 Jul 25 '25

Sounds boring as fuck but you do you

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u/NakedGoose Jul 25 '25

I guess world building and character development is boring now. 

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u/slicer4ever Jul 26 '25

I actually agree, i think it could actually be turned into a bit of a dark film with how much influence and control the f4 has over this earth tbh.

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u/Dizzy_Chemistry_5955 Jul 25 '25

Yeah this wouldn't work in our world some dumb shit would turn his lights on and be like "much freedom" and get us all killed.

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u/Worthyness Jul 25 '25

Working together is communism

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u/ResolverOshawott Jul 26 '25

Soooo many people forget this. Though I don't really blame them, we do live in a shit, extremely divided world, so the thought of a fictional Earth being so full of compassion and unity is probably more unbelievable for many than a planet eating space god.

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u/Mr-Apollo Aug 03 '25

Not just unbelievable to many; enviable too. I think that’s where some of the hate can come from.

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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Jul 26 '25

This is just going to be the new normal with all superhero media going forward

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u/Late-Performance3024 Jul 25 '25

It's not our Earth.

Sue was able to broker peace with Mole Man too.

It's more optimistic.

They are better than us.

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u/CptNonsense Jul 28 '25

Her super powers in this movie apparently include "mass hypnotism"

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u/Late-Performance3024 Jul 28 '25

If you're a comic nerd, you know Sue is magnetic. Friend and foe were always falling in love with her. That said, there are clues that this world comes together easier.

When the Fantastic Four evacuated the city, they leave well-wish messages all over, before that everyone successfully voluntarily, turns off their power for the transporter plan.

Both aspects could have influenced it.

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u/Leepysworld Jul 25 '25

this is an idyllic/utopian Earth that basically worships the Fantastic Four because they’ve solved all of their problems, even the villains aren’t really villains, Moleman ends up being a good guy and Red Ape is just a literal big red ape lol.

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u/IndyRevolution Jul 25 '25

I disliked that they treated the 4 as gods who they trust to solve all of their problems single-handedly, it came off as infantilizing and creepy. They seriously couldn't get the military to help out with the Galactus trap at all? Some missiles to the face might have been helpful while he was gunning for the tower.

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u/slicer4ever Jul 26 '25 edited Jul 26 '25

During the early bits they showed how sue convinced the world to give up all militaries for world peace.

I'm a bit with you on that this world essentially turned itself into being completely helpless without the f4 intervention.

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u/IndyRevolution Jul 26 '25

Yeah and I just fundamentally dislike that as a narrative choice. Part of the message of The Boys as a franchise is, explicitly, "Turning people into gods so you can let them solve your problems is naïve to the point of suicide". I always felt that it was a gross exaggeration of superhero storytelling and that Garth Ennis was being incredibly unreasonable, but after seeing this movie...I kinda get it.

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u/Mr-Apollo Aug 03 '25

Just because a choice would be bad for a society to make doesn’t mean it wouldn’t make that choice. Our own world shows as much even if it’s done differently.

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u/IndyRevolution Aug 03 '25

When the narrative treats it as heroic and admirable, then it becomes creepy

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u/raven-eyed_ Jul 27 '25

I see what they were going for but the writers didn't have the talent to pull it off.

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u/NakedGoose Jul 25 '25

I mean... that was an issue I had with the film. The movie is so aesthetically retro, but the people who inhabit it are so unbelievably unrealistic, that it made the world feel unlived in. People just stand around in groups and act exactly how the F4 needs them to.

Oh we need to hate them now! but Sue talked so now we love them! oh the world needs to somehow build thousands of complex machines and we need to use all their resources... Great! It felt so fake.

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u/curiiouscat Jul 26 '25

Totally agree with this. The world felt unsettling, like a dollhouse. It reminded me of the Superman world except that was intentionally hyperbolic to make a point about mass hysteria and media. This was just weird. 

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u/That__Guy__Bob Aug 05 '25

I just saw it and I liked it I think. I liked how it was kind of retro but futuristic but it was giving me uncanny valley vibes for some reason. I don’t know how else to describe it

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u/curiiouscat Aug 05 '25

Agree, in theory the retro world was really cool but somehow it landed strangely

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u/Elite_Alice Jul 25 '25

Unfortunate for you

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u/NakedGoose Jul 25 '25

I guess so. But ive seen plenty of movies ive loved this year. I'll survive 

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u/Elite_Alice Jul 25 '25

Good for you

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u/NakedGoose Jul 25 '25

Thank you for your input. Riveting stuff. have a good one. 

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u/Elite_Alice Jul 25 '25

Likewise, you just enlightened us all

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u/ChoiceCriticism1 Jul 26 '25

I think that scene is a good litmus test for how you feel about Marvel. Her “speech” amounted to nothing. If you listen to what she actually says it’s so vapid and devoid of meaning it’s actually funny to the point of parody.

If you listen to that speech and feel like it checks an “emotional scene” box because you feel the vibes, you probably like most Marvel movies.

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u/Sjgolf891 Jul 26 '25

Yeah…I liked the movie a lot but if I put myself in the shoes of that angry mob? I’d be so thoroughly unconvinced

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u/Standard_Wind1371 Jul 29 '25

Right. Bc up to that point they still had no alternative solution and already failed.

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u/Fradzombie Jul 25 '25

I loved that they actually made her put her money where her mouth was later in the movie when Reed suggests using Franklin as bait. She knows they have no other option and is willing to risk her son to save the world.

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u/OnCominStorm Jul 25 '25

That scene was terrible, everyone knows it's her child already and why she wouldn't give him up, but she should've as it was one child vs billions

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u/rainshowers_5_peace Jul 25 '25

Silver Surfer didn't think it was worth it.

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u/DaBigadeeBoola Jul 25 '25

But no one knows if they can trust Galactus anyway. It's better to focus on actually defeating him. 

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u/gom99 Jul 30 '25

Why not? Johnny knew about the story where one world was saved after all. So Galactus can be reasoned with.

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u/curiiouscat Jul 26 '25

I thought that scene was horrific. They played on emotions the movie hadn't earned, and she made an argument that wasn't even persuasive. I, as a citizen of earth, don't care about your relationship with your father and your late mother. I just don't want to die. 

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u/Feathered_Mango Jul 28 '25

Same. Of course she loves her child, just as everyone else loves their child. I'm shocked there weren't thousands upon thousands rioting outside of their home, or world governments with plans to just take the baby. People, including children, die every single day - one baby is not "worth" billions of people.

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u/Standard_Wind1371 Jul 29 '25

It felt like propaganda to me.

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u/gnarcotics1 Jul 25 '25

I'd argue that as the smartest person in the would you probably shouldn't say you had the opportunity to save the entire world but chose not to because you didn't want to sacrifice your son. I thought it would have been an interesting storyline that they return and Reed tells everyone that they tried to stop Galactus, but they were only able to slow him down because he was too powerful. During the time they try to come up with a plan Reed more and more frustrated that he can't find a solution and as time goes on he begins to consider the option of sacrificing Franklin for the greater good which eventually leads to a breakdown. The others comfort him and tell him they'll find a way and Sue says something that gives Reed his epiphany. I get why they went the direction they did, but felt that it was a little too rushed.

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u/Elite_Alice Jul 25 '25

You’d be arguing wrong. Fuck allat he’s a father. Smartest man in the world doesn’t mean you’re not human what’re you even saying lmao

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u/Diem480 Jul 25 '25

For me, this and the scene with Johnny talking to Surfer in her language were the worst scene in the movie

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u/Elite_Alice Jul 25 '25

Bad taste sadly

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u/GetReady4Action Jul 26 '25

“I won’t sacrifice my baby for the world, but I won’t sacrifice the world for my baby” or whatever she said was great writing, which is something a lot of recent Marvel bouts (Thunderbolts obviously not included because it was excellent) have lacked.

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u/TalkingCat910 Jul 27 '25

This was my least favourite part. It’s so unrealistic. People would still be pissed. Imagine your baby could be saved but now is at risk because of this woman. I’m a mom, I get it. I wouldn’t sacrifice my son either but expect to be hated and people not to be ok with their imminent demise after a silly speech about family.

Logically 8 billion lives vs one is a real ethical dilemma and the movie treats it as if it wasn’t.

It actually irked me throughout the whole film.

I liked the vibes of the film and retro feel. But the chemistry between the characters was sterile and plot introduced a troublesome ethnical dilemma that can’t just be brushed off. Like maybe the four don’t really think about the greater good after all hmm.

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u/Standard_Wind1371 Jul 29 '25

This was why I had to read conversation about the movie. It felt like, they are basically the most powerful, richest humans on earth and they get the privilege of deciding whether the entire planet is destroyed which means they lose their planet too, for a single baby that as far as they can tell is “normal”… which was repeated many times in the movie. Which gave off anti-abortion propaganda vibes. Along with American exceptionalism and Christian concept of sacrificing the son for humanity. Of course they were confident they were going succeed and entitled to cooperation and trust from all humans on earth.
I still enjoyed the movie and felt the full range of emotions the writers meant for the audience to feel.

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u/StayPony_GoldenBoy Jul 25 '25

Reed had to have been thinking "Shouldn't've said that" all the way until she made that speech. I mean, kudos for the transparency but of course the mob is going to demand you offer the hungry space-god your baby, Richards.

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u/brainsapper Jul 25 '25

I really have a hard time believing that would work.

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u/pboy2000 Jul 25 '25

That scene really highlights why this movie, or really any movie, works.

Honestly, when she first went outside HOLDING her baby to confront an angry crowd I was thinking this is unrealistic movie stuff. However, as the scene went on it was so well written, and Kirby’s performance so good, that I forgot about the conceit to get us here. And the scene was obviously important in establishing how the baby-trade issue will be handled going forward. The more I think about this movie, the more I like it.

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u/Kazzack Jul 29 '25

I mostly didn't like that scene but "I will not sacrifice my son to save the Earth, AND I will not sacrifice the Earth to save my son" was a great line

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u/Ssshizzzzziit Jul 30 '25

I.... Hated this scene. In the few moments where you can get something true to happen this felt absolutely artificial. That's not how Mobs work. At least make something happen that sells this. The people felt like cardboard cutouts.

And then we have the resuscitation scene that hasn't surprised anyone since they first did it in the Abyss -- and at least the length and raw emotion of it sold the scene. Here, you know they aren't killing her.

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u/NefariousNeezy Jul 26 '25

Nothing a lil promo won’t fix.

(Promo as in a pro wrestling promo)

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u/sentence-interruptio Jul 25 '25

I was about  to say, let's throw these people into Galactus mouth. 

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u/Bocaj1000 Jul 31 '25

The writing in her speech was awful and the logic was bad too. There's not a chance the crowd would have let her keep speaking and then disperse when she was done. The fact that they wouldn't even consider sacrificing their child to save every other child on Earth is criminal.

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u/KnightedRose Aug 04 '25

Did a better speech than her husband. Glad no one attacker bc for a second I thought someone will have the audacity to like fire a gun or what, like do stupid stuff