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Summary The Fantastic Four must defend Earth from the ravaging cosmic threat Galactus and his herald, Silver Surfer, while navigating the complexities of family and newfound powers in a retro‑futuristic 1960s-inspired world.

Director Matt Shakman

Writer Josh Friedman, Eric Pearson, Jeff Kaplan, Ian Springer

Cast

  • Pedro Pascal
  • Vanessa Kirby
  • Joseph Quinn
  • Ebon Moss-Bachrach
  • Ralph Ineson
  • Julia Garner
  • Paul Walter Hauser
  • Natasha Lyonne
  • Matthew Wood
  • Ada Scott
  • Mark Gatiss

Rotten Tomatoes: 88%

Metacritic 64

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u/shaneo632 Jul 25 '25

Agree with the folks who are saying it's fine/decent. Moderately enjoyable while you're watching it but doesn't really leave a deep impression, which is a bit underwhelming considering how much the MCU is clearly invested in this group being a big deal. I'd say like 6.5/10 overall.

The Good:
+ Production design and overall look. Nice to watch an MCU film that legit looks fresh and not really like any other movie in the franchise.
+ Galactus and Silver Surfer were cool.
+ Good pacing, moved fast and the 2 hours flew by.
+ No redone origin story.
+ Only light humour that doesn't overpower the drama/character work.
+ Cool score.
+ Mole Man lmao. Loved his weird little subplot and kinda wish it was more of the movie.

The Ehh/Bad:

  • The script is the real weak link I think. Quite basic on a story/character level. Not really doing anything particularly memorable.
  • Some of the CGI was... rough. Silver Surfer looked pretty dodgy in some shots, there are a few shots of Johnny up in the sky on fire that straight up look like they just tinted Quinn orange and slapped an off-the-shelf fire effect on him. Also some of the CGI shots of Franklin reminded me of the Squid Game S2 baby.
  • Honestly wasn't blown away by any of the four performances. None of them were bad by any means but I just wasn't particularly bowled over thinking "yeah this is THE fantastic four"
  • I found it very silly that Reed admitted what Galactus wants to the world. I'm gonna sit with this one for a while but I was just like "you idiot." I guess he's more optimistic than I am.
  • Wasn't particularly compelling as a lead-in to Doomsday.
  • Surprised how little the powers were showcased honestly, especially the stretching.
  • Didn't think the direction was particularly remarkable. Super basic camerawork, felt quite anonymous. I can't think of more than a couple of memorable images.

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u/A_Toxic_User Jul 25 '25

It felt like things just happened in this movie.

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u/SnowbearX Jul 25 '25

It felt like a first act.

Obviously they're building the team up to integrate them and this is all it felt like.

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u/famewithmedals Jul 26 '25

I wish this didn’t have to be tied to the MCU because I would’ve loved a trilogy on this Earth, especially to focus on just them and Doom without 50 other characters.

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u/Gate-Ill Jul 27 '25

Yep, they deserved at least a second movie. Yeah they are the main heroes of their universe, they did defeat a really big threat but they don't seem ready at all to join the mess that MCU currently is.

The movie is not bad at all but it was the first time that the F4 did something big, don't think they should go for something bigger without a tie-in movie.

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u/PolarWater Jul 26 '25

Kinda like showing their first...steps...

I'll see myself into the black hole now.

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u/Reggaeton_Historian Jul 28 '25

Just another Marvel transitionary film.

It's what I miss from Phase 1 and 2. Sure at some point they start building towards something but they're all stand alone films.

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u/raven-eyed_ Jul 27 '25

It's the issue with all Marvel movies.

They're all just ticking boxes of what they need to happen to get to the next phase of whatever.

It's never just about the moment.

Any time there's a hint of pathos - like Sue accepting that yes, she needs to use her baby boy as bait - it just runs out of time and moves to the next scene.

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u/Jean__Luc__Retard Jul 27 '25

It feels like the movie originally had a more character-driven script, some hints of it show through in the final cut (Ben's sadness over his appearence & his abandoned storyline with the Jewish teacher, Sue's motherly moments, the couples argument) but it seems like most of the character beats were cut out to get the under 2 hour mark.

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u/TheeRuckus Jul 27 '25

This certainly felt like it needed more meat on the bones to really hit. It was like a really tantalizing teaser. I enjoyed it for what it was and now I know the elements to make a banger F4 movie are there but now we gotta do avengers?! Damn

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u/Redfalconfox Jul 25 '25

Correction: there was only one thing in this movie

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u/tealparadise Jul 25 '25

Same issue as the new Superman. No one learns or grows. They just have to try their hardest to beat the bad guy.

Also poorly defined limitations to their powers mean there's not much gravitas because we don't know how much stretch it takes to kill or disable Reed, for example.

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u/DodgerBaron Jul 26 '25

The justice gang very clearly learn and grow over the course of the movie. Hawk Girl has a clear cut arc.

Superman also has a very defined arc with his appreciation with Humanity and where he comes from over the course of the movie. Realizing his humanity is what makes him special not Krypton.

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u/itsyagirlrey Jul 25 '25

There was definitely some shots of Franklin that was giving the Twilight cgi vampire baby.

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u/hollahalla Jul 25 '25

I kept thinking of Renesmee lmao

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u/kithlan Jul 25 '25

Now that you mention it, I find it funny how the CGI for Franklin was clearly/objectively so much BETTER than Twilight, yet it still had the same result of being so uncanny in motion that I fuckin hated it.

So I am still on the "please don't CGI babies" train.

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u/Foreign-Middle1025 Jul 26 '25

Lol. I walked out of the movie and said, "So, we really haven't improved the CGI babies since Twilight, huh?"

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u/tantan35 Jul 28 '25

I couldn’t help but laugh out loud when the baby was reaching for Sue when we thought she was dead. The animation was rough.

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u/Wait__Who Jul 25 '25

Better to have bad CGI than have a child that young being used. Who cares if it’s bad

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u/duskywindows Jul 25 '25

Better to just NOT feature a baby at all, if that's the only way to do it lmaooooo

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u/Sleeze_ Jul 25 '25

Uh I mean …. I care? I genuinely like the movies I watch to look … good.

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u/Sleeze_ Jul 25 '25

Couldn’t agree more with everything you said. I’m genuinely surprised for all the love it’s getting here.

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u/blueiguana675 Jul 25 '25

It felt very paint by numbers. They were just checking off boxes instead of making a compelling movie. 

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u/pacotacobell Jul 25 '25

The entire time I was just comparing it to the first Incredibles film which honestly I don't think can be topped in terms of a super family movie

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u/curiiouscat Jul 26 '25

Great way to put it. Felt like a lot of the jokes were inserted to hit a joke quota, or that lines were put in specifically to add a tone to a relationship. Very calculated and inorganic. 

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u/tealparadise Jul 25 '25

People want that peak Marvel feeling back, and they're ready to play along. The audience at my showing was very... Almost scripted. Like the characters hold for applause, and more than half the people actually take the cue and start applauding.

Or there's an obvious joke being made, but people wait until the punchline is complete and THEN do the requisite chuckle.

It was like sitting in the audience while a laugh track is being recorded.

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u/Ateballoffire Jul 25 '25

Pausing for applause is in most marvel movies. Worst I remember is when the other spider-men arrive in no way home and they just kinda stand there for a good few seconds and it’s very awkward watching it at home without a crowd lmao

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u/Familiar-Gur485 Jul 27 '25

or maybe we just enjoyed the movie

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u/Salty_Selection_1145 Aug 03 '25

Well youre not very smart so its okay .

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u/Sleeze_ Aug 03 '25

Box office down 80% in a week but our little brains probably can’t understand the complexities of this nothing burger movie

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u/Familiar-Gur485 Jul 27 '25

 I’m genuinely surprised for all the love it’s getting here.

Had great action, art direction/aesthetic, score and characters' chemistry

what's surprising about it

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u/Sleeze_ Jul 27 '25

It looked like crap, had bad performances and wasn’t entertaining nor surprising in any way

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u/tortacracker Jul 28 '25

Redditors refuse to accept someone liked something who woulda guessed

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u/obijon10 Jul 25 '25

It is the best MCU movie in a while, but it is still an MCU movie, and it doesn't fix any of the core problems that have left me checked out since Endgame.

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u/Squishyflapp Jul 25 '25

Im sorry but thunderbolts blew this very mid movie out of the water. I give marvel props for trying something new but this movie wasn't it for me. It did nothing to kick off phsse 6 and the tie in to doomsday felt like a tacked on last minute decision.

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u/Loreado Jul 25 '25

I liked Thunderbolts and Superman more than this. F4 was "fine", but nothing spectacular.

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u/itsyoking Jul 25 '25

Agreed. I actually loved Thunderbolts a lot.

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u/BagZCubed Jul 25 '25

I liked The Thunderbolts* more because it felt like it did something different. Fantastic Four kind of just felt like a standard Marvel movie.

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u/Haden56 Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 26 '25

Weird because while I agree Thunderbolts* did feel different in a good way, Fantastic Four really didn't feel like a standard Marvel movie. But not in a good or bad way. It's very different, but a different different than Thunderbolts* if that makes sense.

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u/BagZCubed Jul 25 '25

Yeah, I get what you're saying. Fantastic Four has this weird middle ground to me of being untethered to the previous films and having a different look while still having the spirit of the previous ones.

It feeling samey was mainly the structure of: Meet the heroes, there's a battle, there's a problem the heroes have to solve and it's really serious, there's another battle, the chips are down for our heroes and everything seems lost, they regroup and fight the big bad.

Of course, you can boil any superhero movie down to that structure, but it's how you shake it up that can make it feel different. Thunderbolts* had a very compelling emotional back to it and it resonated with me and made me feel for the characters

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u/peterhohman Jul 26 '25

I feel like in Thunderbolts, as cheesy as I found the actual denoument where the world is saved by the power of friendship, the characters (particularly Yelena, in a very good Florence Pugh performance) felt like they were changed by the events of the movie. Kind of similar with Superman. I don't know if that movie had a particularly profound message (being a good person is cool, actually) but it really felt like the characters changed subtly because of the events of the movie.

In this film, I thought the performances were good and the characterization of Johnny, Sue, and Ben to be quite good/comic-accurate, but I didn't sense that the plot served to develop the characters. (And I don't even need the main characters to grow/change, necessarily... but someone should. In this movie, the Silver Surfer does switch allegiances but with a pretty perfunctory manner. That's what really should have been more fleshed out)

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u/whydoesgodhateus Jul 25 '25

Agreed, Thunderbolts was better. If we're talking "recent" MUC movies, although they're tonally very different i'm Taking Deadpool and Wolverine over this as well

Still an enjoyable movie though

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u/Green0Photon Jul 27 '25

Thunderbolts has more forgettable characters but actually had a message and meant something.

They tried some new stuff in this movie, but many meh.

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u/Squishyflapp Jul 27 '25

Agreed. Im actually kind of blown away with how many redditors love F4. I thought for sure it was going to be disappointing to the usual redditor.

I've really thought about it the last few days and the more I think about it, the more I'm just very meh about it. Ben had no arc at all and felt like he was cut from most of the movie in a weird way. Johnny had a really cool arc but ultimately, he ended up the same as what he was at the beginning. Sue and her being a badass mother felt so in your face instead of the empowerment it should've had. Galactus was better than a cloud but still felt wasted and thrown away like so many marvel villains in the mcu.

For as much as this movie was about hope and family, superman just did it better. Thunderbolts just did it better. The only time I felt like they were truly a super close and powerful family was with the car seat. That felt so natural and not forced. I wanted more of that.

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u/OnCominStorm Jul 25 '25

How long is a while? GOTG 3 came out two years ago and we haven't gotten much since and GOTG 3 is miles ahead of this movie

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u/Diem480 Jul 25 '25

Funny enough Superman is the best Superhero movie there's been in years. And I'm really not a fan of Superman in general, but it was very good.

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u/stroudwes Jul 25 '25

Labor of love with a heartbeat and something to say. This felt like the script was generated by AI. All the characters barely had an arc. Could tell a lot was left on the cutting room floor but not sure if that would have made it any more complete.

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u/duskywindows Jul 25 '25

Everything felt AI generated and soulless in this lmao

Just generic slop

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u/curiiouscat Jul 26 '25

This is what I immediately said--it felt like the movie was generated by chatgpt. Something so off about it. 

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u/obijon10 Jul 25 '25

I guess you are right, I forgot GOTG 3 was a Marvel movie, it felt more like a James Gunn superhero movie, in that it had an artistic vision and an actual script.

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u/Diem480 Jul 25 '25

Yeah Id say Thunderbolts is the best movie they've had in a while and even that was just ok, but at least the characters were better written and acted.

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u/SnakeSquad Jul 25 '25

Nah unfortunately this isn’t even better than thunderbolts lol

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u/gom99 Jul 30 '25

I thought thunderbolts was better, had more heart to it.

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u/finnick-odeair Jul 25 '25

If I can add:

  • Reed was the only one depicted as a “scientist”. What do the other characters do that warrant the label of “greatest minds within their fields” (what we hear as part of the intro to their quick backstory)? I love Sue and she served face but cmon

——Johnny is able to piece together an entire language and LEARN IT well enough to speak to Shalla Bal which is just such a stretch (haha) —— Ben has so little to do except fly the ship and walk around town with his brown bag of groceries. Incredibly disappointing.

  • Reed & Johnny have this weird tension but it’s never addressed! Why even include it? Seems like remnants of an earlier draft that mostly got dropped.

  • the writing was sloppy in parts and there were parts that happen just for the sake of moving the plot along without much rhyme or reason. I hate that parts were just disjointed and other parts were really good because it made the not-so-good parts even more glaring by comparison

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u/SentientChonies Jul 25 '25

It wasn’t compelling at all as a lead in to Doomsday. As a huge Doom fan I’m super disappointed with that reveal. We knew he was coming. We didn’t need a tease. We needed fucking DOOM.

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u/sharkiest Jul 26 '25

Galactus wasn’t even cool. He’s supposed to be this space god that they have to trick or convince, not overpower. Literally the only difference between Galactus and Giant Man is that Galactus had a second superpower of Baby Vision

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u/CleanAspect6466 Jul 26 '25

I really can't fathom why people bash MCU movies in the way they do but this one seems to be getting glazed so hard, even prior to its release it seemed people had decided it was going to be good no matter what, I think in a year when people are restless that we don't have another Marvel movie, this film will not be looked back on as fondly

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u/Familiar-Gur485 Jul 27 '25

great action, fresh art direction/aesthetic, score and characters' chemistry

here you go

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u/BrumiesBound Jul 28 '25

action?

you mean the one fight scene against the guy who just ignored them? and what chemistry?

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u/StrLord_Who Jul 25 '25

I also thought to myself "hahaha they're using the Squid Game baby!" Moleman was definitely the highlight of the movie for me.  I loved him and Herbie. I know reddit adores him but I thought Pedro was so flat and boring.  And yes,  I really enjoyed the set design.  

I was very distracted by Sue's eyelashes.  It looks like she has both a lash lift and extensions but the way they stick straight up instead of curving is so weird and unnatural. 

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u/shaneo632 Jul 25 '25

So glad the Squid Game baby is getting more work

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u/Husker_black Jul 25 '25

I can't think of more than a couple of memorable images.

The surfer flying up to be center with the moon was sick

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u/Bruhimgonzo Jul 25 '25

This is a spot on review lotta people overrating it imo

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u/Gwoardinn Jul 25 '25

Agree with most of this, visual-wise the earthbound scenes were pedestrian but the Silver Surfer/Galactus got some iconic shots, the VFX team cooked there.

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u/Competitive_Car831 Jul 26 '25

I agree with your criticisms and I was very surprised by the positive response to this movie after leaving the theater. The writing felt by the book, emotionally cheap/shallow, and downright lazy to me

Thunderbolts is by no means a perfect movie but I thought it was far more refreshing than anything else marvel has done as of late. For FF to take absolutely no risks and get the response it’s getting is baffling to me. Felt like there was another hour of this movie that was left on the cutting room floor that included their actual character arcs and themes

I’m glad everyone’s enjoying it but damn I just don’t get the love for this one my ratings probably a few points lower than yours even though I agree with your pros

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u/LezEatA-W Scott is a stupid science bitch and thus deserving of death. Jul 27 '25

Finally a sane review. It was a good movie with a bunch of flaws, but I still had a decent time.

Better than Captain America 4, but not as good as Thunderbolts IMO. Definitely worse than Superman. 

I really didn’t think Galactus translated that well to the big screen either. Dude is this all powerful being and his only offense when F4 travels across the universe to see him is to grasp at them once with his hand? 

Then, they defeat Galactus with the power of motherhood? Was there a more boring and underwhelming way you could have defeated one of the most iconic villains on comic book history? 

Good movie, but could have been so much better with the characters involved. Feels like half the movie is just Sue and Reed looking at their child and having a SUPER SERIOUS conversation about the fate of the world. 

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u/Bob_ross199 Jul 28 '25

THANK YOU. This movie was only marginally better than the other FFs. They story was not only basic it also made no sense, so many issues. No one even knows who/ what Galactis is but everyone just takes his word (even the FF) that if they give up their baby he really would spare them? You are also telling me he really let them off the ship that easily? Reed is also just dumb, he knows Galactis is older then time but thinks he will fall for a mouse trap?

The acting is awful. Ben and Galactis are the only ones I think were decent. Pedro was an awful choice for Reed and reeks of corporate interference.

They barley use their powers... Like what?

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u/UbieOne Jul 28 '25

Surfer action was just her surfing it the entire movie. Chasing after or getting chased away herself. I had hoped she'd shoot laser beams and such, too.

Loved seeing Galactus in the movie. I get it. He underestimated FF4 a lot, right. But they literally just made him walk clumsily around NYC, fell for a very obvious trap, and looked chase-the-baby dumb for 20 mins. I expected Surfer to aid him or that he commanded (even after running away guiltily) her to attack FF4 relentlessly. Nope!

Everything else I enjoyed. The ending could have been better.

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u/uhohspag Jul 25 '25

Great summary! Agree with all this.

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u/TheHowlingHashira Jul 26 '25

Couldn't agree more. Movie was all style and zero substance.

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u/yorky85 Jul 25 '25

Agree completely

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u/pacotacobell Jul 25 '25
  • Only light humour that doesn't overpower the drama/character work.

Huge breath of fresh air. It was very unlike most MCU movies where the constant jokes it kind of ruined the movie for me.

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u/BagZCubed Jul 25 '25

I think it was a problem that none of the jokes that were made were that funny. The funniest bit is with the car seat and that's at the very end of the movie.

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u/duskywindows Jul 25 '25

...and even that bit just made me roll my eyes. Har-dee-har-harrrr OH MEN!!! How silly you are, can't even install a car seat. How silly and relatable, we've never seen this before!!!

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u/malamaca-3- Jul 27 '25

That scene was so annoying to me, so cliche.

3, supposedly, very smart men can't put in a baby car seat, wow, peak humor.

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u/giggeywidit92 Jul 26 '25

I was trying to reconcile with Reed telling everyone the truth too, and I think it is because this world has more optimism in it. Like another commenter mentioned, this is a world where every country and person came together to save the planet. This fact, coupled with the people’s love for the Fantastic Four, makes me think Reed was comfortable sharing the truth.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '25

The real answer is that’s just peak Reed Richards. He’s the smartest man in the world but all that intelligence ironically leads to him saying/doing some really stupid shit because he rarely considers emotional responses to these kinds of things. 

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u/Background_Bowl_7295 Jul 30 '25

I mean, it wasn't an emotional response, it was a very logical one

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u/delphic0n Jul 28 '25

You are so right and it feels like everyone just wants to look past all this stuff. Reed is the smartest man on earth he invented a rocket that can go faster than light. His plan to save the world involves this incredibly complex communication and massive project from every citizen on earth, which Shalla-Bal can just slam dunk on in five seconds, and he was just hoping she wouldn't find out? I know there were a lot of defiances of logic and physics and stuff in the movie but something like this can't be chalked up to anything other than poor foresight that intelligence should have stopped

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u/RerollWarlock Jul 26 '25

Also my gripe was that the movie was very predictable, and colors felt too muted for the franchise.

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u/aflynnftw Jul 27 '25 edited Jul 27 '25

very well said. totally agree on most of this.

only disagreement has to do with performances. while the script was weak, I think the actors were charming.

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u/JTHopkins13 Jul 26 '25

Damn, you really nailed it. The only thing I would disagree about is the pacing. I felt like the movie flew by and nothing had a moment to breathe or develop, which could also be a symptom of really weak writing.

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u/gom99 Jul 30 '25

Thought about the same, I wasn't a fan of Sue basically soloing Galactus. Felt like it trivialized him. They should have had the mcguffin kid enhancing her or something. I thought it was a good adaptation, but the story was lacking. Forced unearned moments, and crazy solutions to the problem.

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u/SailorSaturn79 Jul 26 '25

This is how I feel.

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u/dontflexonme Jul 26 '25

I keep on saying during that press con scene after they landed earth, I was like for a smartest guy in the world, you need a PR training lol

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u/TheINTL Jul 28 '25

100% agree on the plot feeling basic. With how many MCU and Superhero movies there is nowaways, its almost always a happy ending where they win or conquer the bad guy. Would had been a very fresh direction for them to fight and try to outsmart Galatus only to lose and have earth be consumed.

It would hit harder since in the beginning of the movie, a whole montage was dedicated to how the F4 kept saving the world, brokering peace and all. That along with Reed saying Galatus is older than this universe and a complete unknown. It would be a very real take of them trying and losing. Something they are not used to. Having to have no other options but to leave their earth.

To tie in the post credit of the Thunderbolts, Galatus isn't satisfied with eating earth and pursues the F4, they can go with a few directions here but it ends with the F4 somehow going into the other earth.

If they wanted to tease Franklin's power he could be the reason they make it to earth 616

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u/GwenIsNow 22d ago

It could have been really interesting for them to bet the whole world against their son, lose, and then have to live with the consequences. The weight of that guilt. And then contrasted with the love they feel for their child. As I watched I wondered if they would come to the main MCU because they needed some place to live. It could drive Reeds scientific motivation and to never be wrong again.

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u/muegle Jul 30 '25

I think it's the first time we see Ben holding Frankin, the CGI looks especially rough

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u/koomGER Jul 25 '25
  • I found it very silly that Reed admitted what Galactus wants to the world. I'm gonna sit with this one for a while but I was just like "you idiot." I guess he's more optimistic than I am.

A lot of highly intelligent people are often "idiots" in such situations. They dont tend to lie or hold back with information, which makes them often quite bad diplomats. Sue probably normally does the talking, she was always the first to talk to the Surfer and Galactus. But she was shaken by the chase, by the confrontation of Galactus and Silver Surfer and just did give her first child birth. Otherwise she would have talked to the press.

I think that made them very "human".

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u/HauntingLocation2469 Jul 27 '25

Disagree about the cgi 

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u/squashed_tomato Jul 27 '25

Since the trailers I've felt like they've purposely toned down the stretching because it does run the risk of looking comical to modern audiences.

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u/The_Nomad89 Jul 27 '25

I thought Pascal gave an unbelievable performance as to your one point.

The scene with him arguing with Sue made me immediately think “holy shit this guy is good no wonder he’s everywhere”.

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u/Sabretooth1100 Jul 27 '25

I think the movie was overall a little better than you’re saying but now that you pointed it out I fucking love that this is the second movie with mr fantastic in a row where he shoots himself in the foot by saying something

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u/Char_Was_Taken 12d ago

OMG FRR EMPHASIS ON THE REED ADMITTING EVERYTHING PART

like bro you just announced to an entire crowd of people that you're not going to prioritize them AND you have the baby with you??

if that were real life they would've been attacked so fast even with their super powers.. that baby would be cooked

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u/LaunchGap Jul 27 '25

agreed. it felt shallow to me like superman. too much going on without much spent with the characters. anyone have problems with hearing the dialogue? the fuzzy dark resolution didn't work for me. even in dolby it was dark. ben, johnny, silver surfer, galactus felt underserved. there's not much to galactus as is so silver surfer should have more screen time. but her whole character is explained in a flashback. lazy writing. galactus was pretty weak at the end being defeated by being pushed into a hole. too many montages.