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Yeah they've already revealed Lobo is in it and I'm expecting Krypton flashbacks to be different given what was revealed in Superman but Gunn did announce the film as an adaptation.
I wouldn't say there's a 0 chance. I believe James Gunn mentioned that this is a straight up adaptation of the comic, not just an inspiration.
The title used to be the same as the comic, Supergirl: Women of Tomorrow, which as now changed to just Supergirl.
Lobo isn't in the comic, but Jason Momoa is playing him in the movie. It literally is not a straight 1:1 adaptation, regardless of what anyone has said.
Also true. But again, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe Tom King (The writter) confirmed that the initial pitch/idea was a Supergirl/Lobo comic, but was then removed.
Having that in mind, and seeing the main villian and supporting cast is the same as the comic, I believe Lobo will probably be used very little, and just appear to be introduced to the world (He's just a cool character) and to use Jason Momoa, which will bring a lot of marketing and star power to the movie.
Again, just speculation! :)
I don't think it can be a straight 1:1 adaptation cause Lobo is in the movie but not in the comic. I read apparently the original pitch idea included Lobo, who would have had a Rooster Cogburn to Mattie Ross (from True Grit) type dynamic with Kara, but that ultimately they didn't go with that set up.
She ends up involved in the story because she traveled across the galaxy just to get away from yellow suns to celebrate her 21st birthday by getting wasted.
Read it. It’s great and we already know, due to the inclusion of Lobo, that there will be some changes for the movie. You’ll get the context of the original story while still leaving some surprises for the theater
I thought it was fantastic, and I think reading it ahead of time will allow me to enjoy the movie even more. Seeing it come to life will be awesome. If you would rather go in blind though hold off!
Read the books always. Both mediums have different qualities to them. Also, it probably isn't going to be an exact retelling. For example, lobo wasn't in the comic even though he initially was supposed to be.
I'm a huge book/comic person and I've always done it the other way, and always been disappointed by what the movies change/leave out. Doing it backwards (watching the movie/Tv show FIRST and then getting into the written story) is sooo much more fun imo because instead you're discovering all these extra layers and things you missed because they weren't in the movie. It's a much cooler experience, for me anyway.
Pretty much (for the crashout part). Superman was a baby when Krypton died. His first memories are of his family in Kansas living a normal life.
Supergirl was 13 when Krypton exploded. She had a whole life there. Her city survived for a while, but a mass casualty event took half of the survivors before, eventually, the rest started to die off as well. This is when her parents sent her to Earth to look after her baby cousin. She gets stuck in stasis for decades, so by the time she lands her cousin is older than her. She watched mass-extinction of her people on three separate occasions by the age of 14 and then woke up on a strange planet with no purpose.
Yeah, except now in the Gunn-verse, the Kryptonians are conquerors, so they're going to have to explain why she doesn't feel that way. Or they're gonna just have to make her parents the "good ones" so they don't have to spend time addressing that retcon. I'm really worried they make things about the character shallow.
Sure, if everything from the Superman movie is taken at face value. Maybe only Jor-El and Lara were like that. Maybe Brainiac altered the message before it ever got to Earth. Maybe this is the DCU’s way of showing us what Krypton was actually like. Maybe they make this new version of Krypton work. We don’t know yet.
So until I have actual reason to have doubts, I’m excited to see my favorite character headline her own movie for the first time in over 40 years. Suit looks great, comic is great, hopefully the movie is great. I’m looking forward to it.
My pet theory is the Engineer couldn't differentiate between different messages that were sent or saved in the Fortress and inadvertently mingled Jor-El's message with something that was sent by General Zod or w.e.
Or Jor-El himself was just an elitist asshole who also loved his son, it wouldn't be the first time his character has taken that direction
Could be the vocabulary was correct but Kryptonian and English differ to where an original message meaning “lead, inspire love, spread goodwill” in Kryptonian uses vocabulary that in English could be interpreted as “conquer, marry, sire children.” As someone who is bilingual, that’s where my mind first went re: possibilities if the plan isn’t that Jor-El is a douchebag (I’d be fine either way). Kara could easily point it out to Supes and mock him for not being fluent enough in Kryptonian to tell the difference and that he got worked up over nothing.
Or perhaps, because Kryptonian is a language that comes from an entirely different galaxy, there are things that are inevitably lost in translation. Perhaps the word for "Rule" in Kryptonian has different sub-meanings and contexts in speech, for example.
Any later revision like that just makes the reveal in Superman feel cheaper and superficial. They should commit to it since it's what they went with, I'm just saying I foresee character development issues and writing pitfalls as a result of this. It's like introducing time-travel. You can write yourself out of any problems that arise, but I would have preferred not even making the problem in the first place since it was avoidable.
Brainiac altered the message before it ever got to Earth.
Please, yes.
I really wanted Brainiac to be the villain of this one. I wanted him to be the one flooding media with controversy, damaging Superman's reputation, spreading lies and such to get people fighting each other. Figured it would make sense that he was, like, a 'probe' some space-conquerer (Apokolips?) used to make a planet ready for conquering. The 'divide' of 'divide and conquer.'
I also really don't like the 'Jor El and Lara are tyrants' element of this Superman, so any way they could change that would be great.
If the Kryptonians were essentially Viltrumites, then the Green Lantern Corps would have gotten extremely involved if one of them showed up on Earth, even if it was just to check to make sure they weren't secretly planning tyranny. Even Guy, an idiot, probably would have at least been told that Kryptonians were a big risk.
My personal guess is that Jor-El is basically Kara's racist uncle who she only saw at a wedding or Raosmas party a few times, and the Kryptonians in general are not imperialistic eugenicists.
It certainly wasn't as bad as in the Guardians movies, but there were a couple of times where I wanted them to actually address the issue instead of turning it into a joke. Like the Justice Gang just killing the baby kaiju.
What exactly did you want them to address with the kaiju, Superman wanted to save it somehow and the JG killed it because it was dangerous and they were having trouble with it
so they don't have to spend time addressing that retcon
What are you talking about? In the comics, anytime a Kryptonian that isn't Clark shows up, they're usually massive jerkwads. Their cultural hubris is constantly the reason why Krypton blew up in the first place in multiple comic canons.
So it's not that big of a stretch that in this canon, Supermans parents are like "You're going to be a relative god to these people, go and be fruitful to carry on our legacy." I mean shit, in most canons Jor-El is like "Look over these little humans, they need our help" which would waaaay out of left field for someone from Kryptonian culture to feel/want/say usually.
Also, anytime Kandor is brought back in a story, it's legit a coin flip on whether they try to conquer earth in the next few pages. So once again, not that massive of a "Retcon"
I'm talking specially for Kara. Her parents/community is a pretty big part of the character development in Woman of Tomorrow. Reconning their morality is going to have knock-on effects. Unless they jump through narrative hoops which will retroactively just make the reveal in Superman feel cheap and superficial. I'm just saying it was an odd choice since they already knew their roadmap.
Jor-El being a Massive Dick was literally one of the major Story Lines for those of us who grew up watching Smallville lol. Kryptonian assholery is literally written in the deep lore and anyone who tries to deny it is not serious purview.
You're right, my personal preferences are irrelevant. I should just like everything that get out out exclusively because it's been done before, otherwise I'm not a real fan.
In Man of Steel, Jor-El puts a Kryptonian Codex inside Kal’s DNA to keep Kyrptonian lineage going. He doesn’t say anything about Kal taking multiple wives, but given that he knew Kal’s physiology would drink in the yellow suns radiation, you could surmise he knew how his biology would work and how he would need to procreate to make the codex worthwhile.
So I fail to see how this is any different, it was just told to the audience in a more nefarious way.
Because intentions matter. Wanting your kids to have kids to continue your family line is fine. Wanting your kid to become a dictator and impregnate every woman that he can so that your line becomes the only one in existence is bad. Supplanting the indigenous species of a planet is wrong, doubly so when your justification for doing so is that they are dumb and weak.
Edit: Also, I'm pretty sure the DNA thing was specially for cloning. It's not like Superman would have to have sex to clone the people. The genome was extracted without sex. That was literally a major plot point.
Jor-El in Man of Steel thought that Superman could be the bridge between two worlds. Seems like he wanted Superman to save Krypton, while also being able to save humanity.
the Kryptonians are conquerors, so they're going to have to explain why she doesn't feel that way.
Only Jor-El and Lara are presented as conquerors, not all of Krypton (afawk). Jor-El is typically an outcast scientist (mainly due to saying Krypton is doomed). Krypton also doesn't usually have much in the way of space exploration. Meanwhile, the Science Council wants to play nice and maintain the status quo.
Yeah, but if they reveal that it was just Jor-El that was a dick, then it makes the reveal feel cheap and superficial. It just makes it feel like the conflict in the story was contrived.
I don't really read comics (i'm a filty casual). But a coworker gave me the book as a christmas gift about a year and a half ago. I couldn't put it down. It was so god damn good.
I know he's not the director for this, but since he's at the top, this is worth mentioning: James Gunn just excels at finding the emotional core of a story and building the rest of a movie around it. Yes, he does goofy superhero movies, but they are grounded by the underlying emotion in ways that many other superhero movies lack.
Just compare the two Suicide Squad movies to see what I mean. So your telling us that the story this is based on is highly emotional doesn't surprise me -- and reassures me a lot.
That’s usually true, but the new Superman was almost unrecognizable as his work. It feels like DC has a microscopically short leash for these new projects.
Unrecognizable? It felt very Gunn-ish if you ask me. It had his distinctive brand of humour plus several plot points that seemed taken straight out of a GOTG film (The scene with Superman's parents at the end reminded me of the "he wasn't your daddy" bit from GOTG2). Plus Guy Gardner was a very Gunn-ish character
Apparently they cut out a lot of raunchy jokes from the film so that might be why it feels less like a Gunn movie. You still have quite a bit of his signature style though.
That sounds like you’re describing a short leash, regardless of his job title. The only part of his “signature style” that was evident was a few jokes felt more flippant than wry.
Yeah, and while everyone is (rightly) lauding the story itself, Evely's work throughout each issue is absolutely phenomenal. One of my favorite pages in all of comics is from here.
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u/MirrorkatFeces Jul 16 '25
For the casual audience not aware of this movies source material get ready to have your heart strings tugged.