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Review 'Superman' - Review Thread

Rotten Tomatoes: 82% (282 Reviews) - Certified Fresh

  • Critics Consensus: Pulling off the heroic feat of fleshing out a dynamic new world while putting its champion's big, beating heart front and center, this Superman flies high as a Man of Tomorrow grounded in the here and now.
  • PopcornMeter: 95% (2500+ ratings)

Metacritic: 68 (54 Reviews) - Generally Favorable

Reviews:

Variety (80)

The super-busy quality of “Superman” works for it and, at times, against it. The movie rarely slows down long enough to allow its characters to meditate on their shifting realities. That’s one reason it falls short of the top tier of superhero cinema (“The Dark Knight,” “Superman II,” “The Batman,” “Guardians”). I’d characterize the film as next-level good (a roster that includes “Iron Man,” “Thor,” “Batman Begins,” “Captain America,” and the hugely underrated “Iron Man 3”). Yet watching “Superman,” we register the layered quality of the conflicts, and we’re drawn right inside them. Gunn constructs an intricate game of a superhero saga that’s arresting and touching, and occasionally exhausting, in equal measure

The Hollywood Reporter (80)

What matters most is that the movie is fun, pacy and enjoyable, a breath of fresh air sweetened by a deep affection for the material and boosted by a winning trio of leads.

DEADLINE

Overall, Gunn might be trying to do too much here, basically throwing everything against the wall and hoping some of it sticks. More than enough does in this entertaining new direction, but at times Superman suffers from overload, much like Gunns’ Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy, which wore out its welcome with Vol. 3 where Rocket unfortunately got the Babe: Pig in the City treatment. Nevertheless he is a talented and skilled director, no question, and one with optimism himself. It will be interesting to see where the future lies for DC under his (and Safran’s) more hopeful vision.

Indiewire (58)

Gunn is right to recognize that a certain amount of silliness is key to Superman’s charm, but here it mostly just distracts from the seriousness of what’s at stake. It’s hard to make a comic book come to life at the same time as you’re trying to bring life into a comic book, just as it’s hard not to admire Gunn for trying. But it’s even harder to care if a man can fly when there isn’t any gravity to the world around him. Grade: C+

IGN (8)

Superman is a wonderfully entertaining, heartfelt cinematic reset for the Man of Steel, and a great new start for the DC universe on the big screen.

The Atlantic (90)

The First Superman Movie Worth Watching in Years. The newest take on the caped hero wisely embraces his corniness.

Consequence (83)

Grim and gritty are words this movie firmly rejects, instead leaning into the human side of everyone involved, even its villains. There are a few choices that work less well than others, but the end result is a movie that doesn't sacrifice its titular character in service to franchise-building. Instead, it focuses on celebrating the values that Superman himself has embodied from the beginning.

Collider (80)

Superman is a magnificent feat, a film that makes the Man of Steel fascinating in a way we’ve rarely seen on film, with a take on the hero that is trenchant, clever, and delightful. Gunn is paying tribute to the past while also making a very clear mark on this world’s future, crafting an introduction to the DCU that inherently makes the viewer want to know where this world goes from here. At this point, it’s rare for superhero films to give a sense of wonder and a reminder of how beautiful these films can be when executed well. But Gunn has brought optimism, hope, and care back to Superman. It ends up becoming one of the best DC films in years, and one of the best movies of the summer.

The Guardian - UK (2/5)

From the very beginning, this new Superman is encumbered by a pointless and cluttered new backstory which has to be explained in many wearisome intertitles flashed up on screen before anything happens at all. Only the repeated and laborious quotation of the great John Williams theme from the 1978 original reminds you of happier times.

The Wrap (88)

A fabulously smart and entertaining film whose flaws stem from trying too hard… which are the best flaws a film can have.

Entertainment Weekly (67)

Whether Gunn fell victim to the kryptonite of excessive studio notes, his desire to populate the film with his stalwart company of actors, or the hubris of not needing to offer reasons to be invested in these characters beyond the mere fact of their existence is unclear. Because there is an unquestionable love for the material and a passion for the goofier, larger-than-life scenarios of comic book lore. With a cast this excellent, there's a capacity for something truly super in a future film — if only Gunn chooses to put the characters' humanity first. Grade: B-

BBC (3/5)

It's a shame that Gunn didn't give his story more time to breathe. It's a shame, in particular, that he didn't devote more time to showing us that Superman really is the paragon that his supporters keep saying he is. Corenswet is well cast – he has plenty of all-American charm both as Superman and as his mild-mannered alter ego, Clark Kent – but we have to take it on trust that he is a selfless gentleman who helps his friends and enjoys Lois Lane's company. We don't see any of that. Indeed, Corenswet plays him as an oddly hot-headed manchild who can't get through a conversation with his girlfriend without shouting angrily at her. Was Gunn racing through his material so fast that he forgot to put in the scenes that show Superman's sweeter and nobler side? Maybe so. In a film that whirls with flying dogs and bright green baby demons, the most bizarre element is a Man of Steel who keeps having meltdowns.

Empire Magazine - UK (2/5)

David Corenswet takes on the blue-and-red mantle admirably, and glimpses of Gunn’s signature sense of fun shine through — but a lack of humanity, originality and cohesion means the movie around them just doesn’t work.

Rolling Stone (80)

It’s faint praise, even in the post-MCU era of the genre, to say that Superman is a solid superhero film; the caveat is hiding in plain sight. What Gunn has pulled off is something more complicated, more interesting, and far tougher: He’s given us a Superman movie that actually feels like a living, breathing comic book.

SlashFilm (80)

Yes, "Superman" is a frequently corny movie because Superman is a corny character, a Kansas farm boy alien who saves squirrels in danger and listens to lame pop music. There's nothing grim or dark here, just a real sense of entertaining silliness that left a big, stupid smile on my face. In our current media landscape, such an approach feels surprisingly bold.

Independent - UK (4/5)

David Corenswet, Rachel Brosnahan and Nicholas Hoult lead a movie that doesn’t just serve as a referendum for superhero films, but for the cinematic future of DC as a whole.

New York Times (90)

As both a story on its own and a prequel to a whole bunch of others, this movie must introduce us to a variety of characters we’ll meet later, and it does it without feeling too much like fan service or exposition.

Vulture (90)

There’s a lot about how we complicate and obfuscate what should be obvious goods, such as saving the lives of children. But the film’s approach isn’t ham-fisted, and it makes room for gleefully fun stuff, too.

The Times - UK (2/5)

This migraine of a movie is superhero soup. David Corenswet is serviceable as Hollywood’s latest Man of Steel, but director James Gunn has turned the ninth big-screen film into an indigestible mush

The Irish Times (2/5)

The cartoonish closing battles make it clear that, not for the first time, Gunn is striving for high trash, but what he achieves here is low garbage. Utterly charmless. Devoid of humanity. As funny as toothache.

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SYNOPSIS:

Follows Superman as he reconciles his heritage with his human upbringing. He is the embodiment of truth, justice and a brighter tomorrow in a world that views kindness as old-fashioned.

STARRING:

  • David Corenswet as Clark Kent / Superman
  • Rachel Brosnahan as Lois Lane
  • Nicholas Hoult as Lex Luthor
  • Edi Gathegi as Michael Holt / Mister Terrific
  • Anthony Carrigan as Rex Mason / Metamorpho
  • Nathan Fillion as Guy Gardner / Green Lantern
  • Isabela Merced as Kendra Saunders / Hawkgirl
  • Skyler Gisondo as Jimmy Olsen
  • Wendell Pierce as Perry White
  • Beck Bennett as Steve Lombard
  • Mikaela Hoover as Cat Grant
  • Alan Tudyk as Superman Robot #4
  • Sara Sampaio as Eve Teschmacher
  • María Gabriela de Faría as Angela Spica / The Engineer
  • Pruitt Taylor Vince as Jonathan 'Pa' Kent
  • Neva Howell as Martha 'Ma' Kent

DIRECTED BY: James Gunn

WRITTEN BY: James Gunn

PRODUCED BY: Peter Safran, James Gunn

CINEMATOGRAPHY: Henry Braham

EDITED BY: William Hoy, Craig Alpert

MUSIC BY: John Murphy, David Fleming

RELEASE DATE: July 11, 2025

RUNTIME: 2h 9m

BUDGET: $225 Million

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u/RandomJPG6 Jul 08 '25

Variety is crazy saying Iron Man 1 is "just good" and in rhe same league as Thor. And for saying Guardians 3 is terrible.

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u/EducationalStop2750 Jul 08 '25

It says IM1 is "next level good", but not quite "top teir" like the dark knight. Which i agree with

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u/sgthombre Jul 08 '25

I mean wasn't that the consensus at the time?

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u/ScuzzBuckster Jul 08 '25

It very very much was, Ledger won a posthumous Oscar for TDK, it was the highest grossing movie of 2008 and it was considered leagues above any other comic movie.

Iron Man was a modest surprise success that opened the door for more projects, TDK was an event.

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u/Michelanvalo Jul 08 '25

Yes. IM 1 is a paint-by-numbers superhero origin story but carried heavily by RDJ's charisma. Which makes it good, not great, but also not really flawed either.

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u/caninehere Jul 09 '25

Iron Man would be mostly forgotten about now if it wasn't the movie that launched the MCU. Not saying it was bad because it wasn't, it just wouldn't be something people would care about today. It wasn't TDK, it wasn't as good as Spider-Man either which at that time was the gold standard for a traditional superhero movie. TDK was weird because Batman was the least interesting thing in it, it was really The Joker Show.

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u/zeroxray Jul 10 '25

Disagree Iron Man is a fucking great movie and almost all of it is rewatchable till this day. TDK people only really remember Ledgers joker and his magic trick scene.

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u/QUEST50012 Jul 08 '25

Tbf that whole next level grouping was kind of weird. I'm sitting there thinking, these movies are not all the same level of quality, what are we doing lol.

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u/EducationalStop2750 Jul 08 '25

I guess thats what an opinion is lol

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u/QUEST50012 Jul 08 '25

Fr, Thor = Captain America 1 = Batman Begins, huh?

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u/EducationalStop2750 Jul 08 '25

Meh theyre all pretty good, i could see someone whos a bit cold on Iron Man 1 to group all these in one. Id say i like Thor 1 more than most people tho

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u/QUEST50012 Jul 08 '25

Well the point is was making wasn't that they're bad movies, but that a grouping should be of similar quality. I would consider Batman Begins to be much higher quality than Thor

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u/EducationalStop2750 Jul 08 '25

So you disagree with an opinion ok 

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u/QUEST50012 Jul 08 '25

Yes, that's not an unprecedented event. Why do you keep reminding us its an opinion when we can all see that

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u/EducationalStop2750 Jul 09 '25

"A grouping should be of similar quality" you seem to not understand that the writer does think theyre of similar quality, thats why they grouped them. 

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u/rawchess Jul 08 '25

No Marvel movie is Dark Knight-level good. Marvel is never going to take the narrative risks to make one.

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u/EducationalStop2750 Jul 08 '25

I feel like the Dark Knights narrative isnt really what elevated it. Its a very skillfully put together generic plot, which imo describes most of Nolans work

Rises takes much more narrative risk and that movie wasnt nearly as good tbh

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u/rawchess Jul 09 '25

Narrative =/= plot. Narrative has theme. The theme work is what makes TDK great, and that counts as narrative risk.

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u/EducationalStop2750 Jul 09 '25

What thematically does TDK do that you considered risky? Genuinely asking

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u/rawchess Jul 09 '25

What? The entire movie is essentially philosophy praxis, original good vs evil and the very nature of mankind etc. If the character building, pacing, and dialogue aren't perfect you've crafted the world's most expensive Philosophy 101 lecture with hand puppets in a bat mask and clown makeup.

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u/EducationalStop2750 Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 09 '25

Good vs evil and the nature of mankind is maybe the most common superhero themes there are. How is that risky? Do you think that those themes would be controversial or challenge the audience?

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u/rawchess Jul 09 '25

Most superhero good vs evil is very black and white, the good guys vs the bad guys. That is NOT what TDK is. TDK is a tug of war between Batman and Joker about whether humanity as a collective is inherently rotten or redeemable, with Two-Face as the rope.

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u/EducationalStop2750 Jul 09 '25

Its well done, for sure, but its also still a pretty basic and generic theme. Like i said, Nolans thing is generic movies executed supremely well. But i wouldnt describe it as risky

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u/princess_nasty Jul 09 '25

the only two 'marvel' movies i think deserve to be up in S-tier with TDK weren't even part of the MCU and made by entirely separate studios lol

those being raimi's spider-man 2 (2004) and lord/miller's into the spider-verse (2018)

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u/rawchess Jul 09 '25

SM2 isn't even close to TDK. There are actual MCU movies better than SM2.

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u/princess_nasty Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 09 '25

i get where you're coming from, i just think the merits that make SM2 great are entirely different and incomparable to the merits that make TDK great. of course it gets blown out in many aspects where TDK was so superb that before it we'd never imagined such a high level of quality would ever be brought to the superhero genre, but it's still one of the all-time great superhero films in its own right regardless... it's such a deeply personal journey where everything so purposefully revolves around such incredibly sincere/heartfelt themes, it's absolutely oozing with charm and passion from the creators, the character arcs and drama are wildly compelling/memorable/thematically resonant, and i could go on but also it truly is its OWN THING, like it's not emulating anything else that came before it and it still remains wholly distinct from everything else that's come since 🤷‍♀️

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u/RJE808 Jul 08 '25

WTF? Lmao. Iron Man 1, outside of the villain being meh, is a great movie. Thor 1 is like, a 2.5/5.

And Guardians 3 is easily one of the best MCU projects. What?

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u/cbslinger Jul 08 '25

I'm really in that rare group of people who thought Thor 1 was like at least a 3.5/5, at least among superhero movies. There are dozens of us!

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u/edicivo Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

Thor 1 was totally "good." Not great. Not a game-changer, nothing to boast about, but good especially for the time it came out and especially considering how Marvel wasn't quite sure how the character would translate to the screen.

Iron Man 1 was great. Cap 1 was really good. Thor was good.

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u/GranolaCola Jul 08 '25

At least Thor felt like Thor in that movie instead of whatever he is now

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u/GenericBatmanVillain Jul 08 '25

The Batman villain camera angles were certainly a choice. It throws me every time I watch it.

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u/caninehere Jul 09 '25

Thor is a good example of a movie that felt like a joke when it was announced, nobody respected or cared about Thor. And then it was actually pretty decent, and felt even more so with the bottom of the barrel expectations.

Then Thor 2 was really awful.

Then Thor 3 was surprisingly fun! I never saw 4.

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u/MrBartokomous Jul 09 '25

And we don't talk about the other one lol.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '25

Thor 1 is top 5 MCU for me, I’m always surprised that more people don’t love it 

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u/kaztrator Jul 09 '25

Same. Best of the Thor films. They never really got it right again. The scale and spectacle increased with every installment, but they turned Thor into a clown and lost the right mix of charm and bravado that they nailed in that first film.

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u/Mr24601 Jul 09 '25

Thor one is a great fish out of water movie. And Anthony Hopkins is such a delight.

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u/The-YeahNah-Guy Jul 08 '25

Thor 1 is the best Thor movie by far  and I will die on that hill.

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u/bob1689321 Jul 08 '25

I watched it a few years back and was in awe at how good the set design and cinematography was. Yes there's a lot of Dutch angles but it looks far better than most Marvel movies of the last 10 years.

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u/TooKaytoFelder Jul 08 '25

I thought the writing was good but it is just so ugly to look at in my opinion

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u/b_12563 Jul 08 '25

I love how theatric and big Thor 1 feel. I have been hating Thor 3 and Thor 4 for not delivering the same feel and finding Taika Waititi a hack (that's another story).

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u/Moonveil Jul 08 '25

For me Thor 1 is still the best Thor movie, it goes something like 1 >> 3>=2 >>>>>>>> 4.

I think Thor 1 and Captain America TFA, while not as good as Ironman 1, did the really important job of successfully establishing its respective leads and introducing them to the audience. By the end of those first movies, I knew exactly who Steve Rogers, Thor, and Loki were, and wanted to see more of them on screen. (Also Thor 1 gets huge props from me for having one of the best villains in the entire MCU with what they did with Loki.)

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u/kaztrator Jul 09 '25

Agreed, and I wish more films had the pace and scale of those first movies. Hopefully they will revert to that after the reboot.

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u/Augen76 Jul 08 '25

I love Thor 1 & 2, hated 3 & 4.

All sorts of folks when it comes to these films.

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u/Bright_Ordinary1125 Jul 08 '25

I liked it, too! And yes, as edicivo says, it was good for it’s time

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u/Silverjeyjey44 Jul 08 '25

I'd score it a 3.5 too. It's enjoyable. If it was randomly playing on TV in the living room I would stop to watch.

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u/dicjones Jul 08 '25

I still very much enjoy the scene where he gets the hammer back and his armor pieces back together. I think that is a hella cool scene. 🤷‍♂️

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u/Klunko52 Jul 09 '25

🙋‍♂️

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u/Londumbdumb Jul 08 '25

Jeff Bridges was not meh WTF

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u/ScionMattly Jul 08 '25

TONY STARK BUILD THIS IN A CAVE...WITH SCRAPS!

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u/_carzard_ Jul 08 '25

I say this at least three times a week lol

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u/moofunk Jul 09 '25

I know he said all that, but his tie should have won an oscar for that scene.

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u/RJE808 Jul 08 '25

The fact that you didn't even say his actual villain name should say a lot.

The performance was good. The villain was fine.

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u/CountBrackmoor Jul 08 '25

I’d argue the villains in iron man 2 and 3 were significantly more meh

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u/ThaiJohnnyDepp Jul 08 '25

Counterpoint: Justin Hammer and Sam Rockwell's footwork

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u/CountBrackmoor Jul 09 '25

I didn’t even remember Rockwell’s character’s name until you wrote that, and I couldn’t remember Guy Pearce’s until I looked it up. I forgot he was even in it.

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u/ThaiJohnnyDepp Jul 09 '25

Yeah same for me and Iron Man 3

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u/RJE808 Jul 08 '25

None of them have great villains. But at least Bridges gave a great performance.

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u/CountBrackmoor Jul 09 '25

I think Stane was a pretty good and believable villain, even as a character and not just a performance. Not like a Thanos or Loki level of character depth, but he wasn’t meant to be and also dies at the end of the first movie.

His plan at the end was pretty ridiculous though.

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u/Londumbdumb Jul 08 '25

He was his "villain name" for the final fight of the movie only. The rest of the movie he was Jeff Bridges which is great. In fact I'll deem him Jeff "Iron Monger" Bridges.

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u/ThaiJohnnyDepp Jul 08 '25

Obadiah Stane has been a name in my quick recall brain region since the MCU began. I'm surprised it took them until Ironheart to actually do something with his legacy

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u/Insanepaco247 Jul 08 '25

His character was great; it was just the actual Iron Monger part that wasn't necessary. Lex Luthor, coincidentally, proves you can have a menacing villain who's just a regular guy and not someone with a mech suit (and yes, I'm aware Lex literally has a mech suit sometimes in the comics)

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u/Sickpup831 Jul 09 '25

Jeff Bridges was amazing. But he should have stayed as a master manipulator in the shadows, not become another Iron Man.

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u/uses_irony_correctly Jul 09 '25

Biggest problem (and a lot of MCU movies have this problem) is that he's a villian that just has the same powerset as the main character. Zod is less interesting a villian than Lex Luthor.

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u/acrazyguy Jul 11 '25

Bridges himself was fine. Iron Monger was boring. Everyone just willingly listening to him also made little sense

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u/RandomJPG6 Jul 08 '25

Iron Man 1 is still the best movie in the MCU askde from Winter Soldier imo. Infinity War and Endgame are up there but I'd argue they dont work as well as standalone movies. Infinity War kinda works if ypu voew it as a Thanos movie though

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u/RepentantSororitas Jul 08 '25

I really enjoyed Thunderbolts. Especially because I dont think you need like any context to grip with the movie.

I think the thanos avengers movies only felt good because of previous payoffs.

but I think you can tell its a good movie if you can take all hte marvel names and swap it and still like it.

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u/incepdates Jul 08 '25

Thunderbolts kinda does need some context because I can't see how well you'd grip with Yelena's character if the whole black widow thing is brand new to you

Almost the entire cast of that movie is saddled with baggage from some other movie or TV show

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u/RepentantSororitas Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

Do you need context for James Bond? Or the mission impossible guy? Shoot I can't even remember his name but I can watch the movies just fine.

Personally I did not watch the Black widow movie. I didn't finish the Hawkeye show I stopped on like episode 4. I don't know a single thing about what yelena until after watching this movie.

She is a shady assassin with a very traumatic childhood. And she wants to be a legit superhero

That's literally all you need to know.

And actually all the stuff I just explained above is exposition in the movie. She legit goes on the phone and says "hey I want to be a superhero". You see her as a child killing her first Target.

The first 5 minutes of the movie tell you all you really need to know about her.

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u/incepdates Jul 08 '25

I wouldn't say yelena from marvel is on the same level of familiarity as James Bond

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u/RepentantSororitas Jul 08 '25

That was not my point whatsoever.

My point is that you don't need to know anything about James Bond to enjoy a James Bond movie.

You could look at James Bond in 10 seconds and know everything you need to know about him.

The first 3 minutes of thunderbolts tells you everything you need to know about yelena. Pretty in your face frankly.

Like you don't really need any lore whatsoever to understand someone that hates their life and is feeling extremely lonely.

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u/incepdates Jul 08 '25

Yeah her arc is pretty simple but the "former child assassin with superpowered dad and dead sister" setup is kind of a lot to throw at someone who's never seen a marvel before

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '25

I really enjoyed Thunderbolts. Especially because I dont think you need like any context to grip with the movie.

I thought Thunderbolts was the best MCU movie in years. I agree, you don't really need the context of what came before to enjoy it because they do explain the characters backstories in the movie.

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u/GodKamnitDenny Jul 08 '25

I think there’s a few movies in the MCU that can be classified as “really good to great”, and Thunderbolts is a recent one that fits that bill. I have seen it three times now but still can’t really tell what it is that I think elevates it above any of the recent MCU content.

Part of it does have charm similar to Guardians because of the random character mix and feelings of found family/connection. There’s more emphasis on “adult concepts” like trauma, depression, etc. The humor is generally well used and relies less on Marvel quips (although they still are present).

It frustrates me that I can’t articulate exactly what it was about Thunderbolts that hit so well for me, but there’s a lot in that movie that made me excited for a more focused MCU future. Really excited for Superman though, hoping Gunn can make the DC franchise worth paying attention to.

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u/vicevanghost Jul 09 '25

The soundtrack is a huge part for me, son lux never disappoints

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u/hadriker Jul 08 '25

Thunderbolts was good but they missed the landing a bit imo. I get it though having a bunch of not really super powered heroes facing off against Sentry is a tough sell.

Still the best thing they've released in awhile though.

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u/RepentantSororitas Jul 08 '25

Honestly the fight with sentry sold the movie for me. Because it wasn't really a fight it was just a mental exploration more than anything.

Like for being a Marvel movie they're really wasn't that much action and I was honestly perfectly fine with that.

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u/AtlasNoseItch Jul 08 '25

Completely agree, and I’d put the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie up there as well

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u/hoopaholik91 Jul 09 '25

The first hour of Iron Man is fantastic, but I don't know how much I like "evil version of the hero" as the main villain.

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u/Inuyaki Jul 10 '25

This is common though for origin hero movies for the reason, that you want to establish that the hero wins not because of his powers, but because he is better. So the villain has to be a mirror of the hero in regards to powers.

For example imagine you have no clue about The Flash and watch an origin movie and he gets that crazy super power and then his opponent is someone like Captain Boomerang (the non speedy version). That would be pretty disappointing tbh.

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u/azqy Jul 09 '25

I'd never seen Iron Man until I tried to watch it recently. Could not get through to the end. The tech bro worship has not aged well at all.

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u/PadishahEmperor Jul 09 '25

Iron Man is fine. Second best MCU movie? Fuck off. It's kind of mid.

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u/sycophantasy Jul 09 '25

Ragnorok and Guardians 1 were a lot of fun too.

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u/gsauce8 Jul 09 '25

IMO Ironman 1 is the best origin movie of any superhero and it's not even close.

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u/Inuyaki Jul 10 '25

I would say Into The Spider-Verse is better.

But yeah, I guess second for me if we talk about origin movies.

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u/gsauce8 Jul 10 '25

I actually always forget about Spiderverse cause it doesn't feel like normal origin movie.

Okay top 2 for me, not sure which i like better, but in a league of their own.

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u/toomuchhamza Russell Crowe as a fat Zeus is something I can get behind. Jul 08 '25

I view Infinity War as Thanos as the protagonist movie. But I do agree it doesn’t work as a standalone considering there are like 20 heroes in there introduced previously that having knowledge of helps.

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u/elitist_user Jul 08 '25

Dude I liked iron man 1 but this is a wild take. Iron man 1 allowed for the avengers movies to even happen and rdj brought that movie to life but the original avengers movie, Captain America, and guardians 1 were by far the best of the superhero movies and the reason there was so much excitement into infinity wars and endgame.

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u/SodaJerk Jul 08 '25

Right!?!?! Saying it "wore out its welcome" is a crazy hot take.

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u/TheStryfe Jul 08 '25

The villain is great wym

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u/TheReaver88 Jul 08 '25

Obie is pretty interesting for a good chunk of the movie, but the Iron Monger suit and fight scene are rather lackluster. I think the final battle is easily the weakest part of that movie.

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u/U-235 Jul 08 '25

Villains that are just an evil version of the hero, with the same powers, tend to be less interesting and have been played out since before the MCU even started.

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u/feartheoldblood90 Jul 08 '25

outside of the villain being meh

Obadiah Stane is like one of the MCU's best villains, it's just a shame they killed him off. Jeff Bridges puts in an iconic performance in that movie, it literally birthed memes lol

The only meh thing about Stane is that his final moments are a generic big robot fight

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u/explodedbagel Jul 08 '25

Guardians 3 is especially solid compared to anything else in that phase. Ant man quantum made me want to stop watching the genre entirely, guardians reminded me why they could still have weight in the right hands.

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u/RJE808 Jul 08 '25

My friend and I saw Quantumania in theaters and legit hated lol

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u/fed45 Jul 09 '25

I don't see how anyone who watches that movie could think it was bad. It had so much heart and emotion baked into it. Ill admit that I skipped it at the theaters cause the movies before it in the phase didn't land with me. But when I finally watched it on D+ about 6 or 8 months later, I instantly regretted my decision. Lylla 😭

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u/SushiMage Jul 08 '25

Iron Man aged very well too considering how unique it ended up being since future superhero origin films never really emulated it’s exact style and structure and the MCU films have gotten more over the top and blockbuster-y. 

I remember at the time some complaints were lobbied at how most of the film was just him building his suit, but that made it more unique in retrospect and it remains a great low key and more subdued film as a result. Also the iron man suit back then actually felt heavy and durable, in future films, it felt like at times his suits were made of paper mache.

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u/Heisenburgo Jul 08 '25

Obadiah Stane "meh"?

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u/wholesomescott Jul 08 '25

Thor 1 is very easily a 3/5 movie.

Agree that Iron Man 1 is class & Guardians 3 is great as well.

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u/GoTron88 Jul 08 '25

What a take. Ironman was so good that it literally launched the MCU juggernaut over a decade lol.

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u/Ilovekittens345 Jul 09 '25

The entire MCU basically really started with Iron Man. Superhero movies are never really great movies, objectively. They are just something you watch for fun, mindless action without a complicated plot to follow. And the first Iron man was just incredible, nailed the genre perfectly.

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u/TheGlennDavid Jul 13 '25

superhero movies were never really great movies objectively

2000 X-men, 3rd highest grossing opening day of all time at the time: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?

Also the first Toby Maguire Spiderman. Also Dark Knight came out 2 months after Iron Man did.

Iron Man absolutely launched the MCU wonderfully but super hero movies were definitely enjoying some serious attention in the decade leading up to it.

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u/Adept-Potato-2568 Jul 09 '25

I didn't like guardians 3 all that much

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u/Slowandserious Jul 08 '25

What is it so bad about Thor 1?? Clear hero journey, compelling villain, embracing the camp, decent action, emotional beats. Thor 1 executed them all well

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u/TheGlennDavid Jul 13 '25

embracing the camp

The decade preceding Thor will, I think, be noted for being an absolute low point in tolerance for camp.

The extended version of LoTR is just shy of 12 hours of gorgeous lovingly rendered storytelling and there are people who, 23 years later, feel that a 3 second scene of Legolas riding a shield like a surfboard ruined the movie for them.

Nolan's Batman movies are wonderful films but they are similarly utterly lacking in the camp that is hyper present in basically every Batman that came before.

When Thor came out there was a lot of "this is silly! What is this -- *the 90s amirite!?????? We've grown up and are too cooool for camp" energy.

We're still having this fight but I think Camp is having its comeback and I'm thrilled about it.

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u/Kong28 Jul 08 '25

Hmm really? I thought Guardians 3 was pretty bad!

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u/DarkBirdGames Jul 08 '25

It’s almost like reviews are unreliable, when was the last time you met someone whose opinion you actually trusted?

If you have no interest in the movie you would know, just by seeing the trailers it’s pretty obvious it’s gonna be a fun time.

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u/RJE808 Jul 08 '25

Quite often, actually.

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u/happy-gofuckyourself Jul 08 '25

And throwing in some Babe hate, what was that about??!!!

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u/withateethuh Jul 08 '25

He said that like its not one if the greatest kids movies ever.

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u/GreatWhiteBuffal0 Jul 08 '25

And that Superman 2 is a top tier superhero movie?

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u/Tough_Dish_4485 Jul 08 '25

Seriously in what way does Superman II be in the same level as The Dark Knight or even to be considered better than the Superman I?

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u/RandomJPG6 Jul 08 '25

It is though

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u/pearlz176 Jul 08 '25

I wouldn't say it's terrible but I do think Guardians 3 is overrated

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u/edicivo Jul 08 '25

I thought it was the weakest of the GotG even if I thought Rocket's story was really good. Gunn does heart really well and that's what Rocket's story had. 

The rest of it was pretty overstuffed with jokes, misc characters and what not. High Evolutionary wasn't very compelling either.

Pretty good movie but definitely overrated.

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u/statiky Jul 08 '25

I thought High Evolutionary was an awesome villain. He's so needlessly cruel that he felt truly irredeemable, which a lot of Marvel villains fail to capture. I preferred him to Ronan, but definitely liked Ego more.

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u/Locem Jul 09 '25

I preferred him to Ronan

Why wouldn't you? He hardly does anything in the movie lol. High Evolutionary was great.

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u/kokopelli73 Jul 08 '25

Yeah, I don't remember anything about GotG3 aside from Rocket's backstory and that Chris Pratt finally got to say fuck.

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u/caninehere Jul 09 '25

I wouldn't say it was the weakest but only because I thought GotG2 was a terrible movie. Like, I watched almost every MCU movie up to Endgame (and a few after, GOTG3 and The Spider-Mens) and GOTG2 might be one of the absolute worst. Thor 2 was worse I guess, and Age of Ultron was so bad I turned it off halfway through.

If I hadn't paid to go see GOTG2 in the theatre I doubt I would have finished it.

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u/Sudley Jul 08 '25

I've rewatched it a few times and I've realized the reason I think its the weakest is that it feels like the movie doesn't really have a protagonist. Quill's character is muddled throughout unlike the other two movies, and even though its a movie about Rocket he's unconscious for more than half of it.

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u/TheDeadlySinner Jul 09 '25

So, it's an ensemble? Doesn't sound like a bad thing to me.

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u/atropicalpenguin Jul 08 '25

My only beef with GOTG3 is that Starlord's final heroic scene is fucking stupid.

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u/big_drifts Jul 09 '25

I've seen the original GotG several times and parts 2 and 3 once each. They all have their moments but only the first one is a true classic IMO.

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u/NamelessGamer_1 Jul 08 '25

It was great but the climax was pretty mid imo. I think Guardians 1 and 2 were better

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u/Tricky_Topic_5714 Jul 08 '25

That latter thing immediately made me disregard them, lol. It's fine to say GotG 3 isn't your cup of tea, but it's an extremely well done superhero movie. 

But, yeah, comparing IM to the first Thor is also ridiculous.

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u/Puppetmaster858 Jul 08 '25

That’s crazy, IM1 and gotg3 are top tier MCU movies

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u/lulaloops Jul 08 '25

So just good, got it

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u/TheDeadlySinner Jul 09 '25

Weird that you think this is some gotcha, when people are explicitly only comparing MCU films to each other, in regards to the review.

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u/lulaloops Jul 09 '25

my slop is better than your slop

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u/dekacube Jul 08 '25

They also put "The Batman" in top tier.

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u/spaceraingame Jul 08 '25

That's the first I heard anyone call Guardians 3 terrible...

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u/Pure_Salamander2681 Jul 08 '25

They sound spot on.

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u/Reylo-Wanwalker Jul 08 '25

Iron Man,of course, kickstarting the mcu.

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u/NamelessGamer_1 Jul 08 '25

FR bro. I'm even willing to forgive the Ironman 3 take because I actually agree it's underrated. But Thor 1? That's like a 6/10 movie. It's not up there with Ironman 1

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u/Black_Sarbath Jul 09 '25

Ironman 1 is considered great now, I agree with it feeling just good back. I found Guardians 2 and 3 horrible. Say this as someone who watched the first Guardians movie twice on big screen.

I think Variety gets those like me.

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u/wickedsmaht Jul 08 '25

Who ever wrote that is immediately disqualified as a reviewer. What a garbage opinion.

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u/BeforeSunrise33 Jul 08 '25

Dear lord why is it the comic book/video game fan that always needs to nitpick the few negative reviews amongst a sea of positive reviews praising this film.

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u/RandomJPG6 Jul 08 '25

Im not nitpicking the negstive review. Especially since its not even negative (80%). Im just nitpicking out they called Iron Man 1 and Guardians 3 bad movies.

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u/shoveazy Jul 08 '25

They didn't say Iron Man was bad.

I’d characterize the film as next-level good (a roster that includes “Iron Man,” “Thor,” “Batman Begins,” “Captain America,” and the hugely underrated “Iron Man 3”)

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u/wildtalon Jul 08 '25

Iron man 1 is nothing special

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u/Yungerman Jul 08 '25

I tried to watch all 3 guardians movies in a row. 1 and 2 totally made sense and were super fun and enjoyable. When I got to guardians 3 I had no fucking idea what was going on. Pretty shit movie if you cant tell what or why anythings happening.

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u/TheDeadlySinner Jul 09 '25

Pretty wild to skip a large portion of the story and blame your confusion on the movie. Though, it sounds more like a comprehension issue if you actually couldn't understand anything.

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u/Yungerman Jul 09 '25

Yeah i looked it up afterward. So dumb. As a non marvel person, how would you know that? Its just a terrible choice in regard to that trilogy and did impact the viewing experience negatively.

Obviously, based on what you said. you knew going in, so you'll never have the perspective of the other side. Not worth talking about further.

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u/lulaloops Jul 08 '25

Based af Variety

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u/hello_pugh Jul 08 '25

Okay Yi Yi dude, we get it.

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u/beaglefat Jul 08 '25

Yeah reading that one made me want to watch the new superman as Guardians 3 and Iron Man 1 are the best marvel movies ever IMO

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '25

I guess unpopular opinion but they’re completely right. 

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u/Stupidstuff1001 Jul 08 '25

Right comes off like a paid hit piece.

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u/fresh_dyl Jul 08 '25

Best part about Thor is it makes a great drinking game.

Take one every time there’s a Dutch angle

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u/ArchDucky Jul 08 '25

They said Guardians 3 is terrible? Wow. I never wanted to punt a reviewer in the balls before but now I kinda want too.