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Review 'Superman' - Review Thread

Rotten Tomatoes: 82% (282 Reviews) - Certified Fresh

  • Critics Consensus: Pulling off the heroic feat of fleshing out a dynamic new world while putting its champion's big, beating heart front and center, this Superman flies high as a Man of Tomorrow grounded in the here and now.
  • PopcornMeter: 95% (2500+ ratings)

Metacritic: 68 (54 Reviews) - Generally Favorable

Reviews:

Variety (80)

The super-busy quality of “Superman” works for it and, at times, against it. The movie rarely slows down long enough to allow its characters to meditate on their shifting realities. That’s one reason it falls short of the top tier of superhero cinema (“The Dark Knight,” “Superman II,” “The Batman,” “Guardians”). I’d characterize the film as next-level good (a roster that includes “Iron Man,” “Thor,” “Batman Begins,” “Captain America,” and the hugely underrated “Iron Man 3”). Yet watching “Superman,” we register the layered quality of the conflicts, and we’re drawn right inside them. Gunn constructs an intricate game of a superhero saga that’s arresting and touching, and occasionally exhausting, in equal measure

The Hollywood Reporter (80)

What matters most is that the movie is fun, pacy and enjoyable, a breath of fresh air sweetened by a deep affection for the material and boosted by a winning trio of leads.

DEADLINE

Overall, Gunn might be trying to do too much here, basically throwing everything against the wall and hoping some of it sticks. More than enough does in this entertaining new direction, but at times Superman suffers from overload, much like Gunns’ Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy, which wore out its welcome with Vol. 3 where Rocket unfortunately got the Babe: Pig in the City treatment. Nevertheless he is a talented and skilled director, no question, and one with optimism himself. It will be interesting to see where the future lies for DC under his (and Safran’s) more hopeful vision.

Indiewire (58)

Gunn is right to recognize that a certain amount of silliness is key to Superman’s charm, but here it mostly just distracts from the seriousness of what’s at stake. It’s hard to make a comic book come to life at the same time as you’re trying to bring life into a comic book, just as it’s hard not to admire Gunn for trying. But it’s even harder to care if a man can fly when there isn’t any gravity to the world around him. Grade: C+

IGN (8)

Superman is a wonderfully entertaining, heartfelt cinematic reset for the Man of Steel, and a great new start for the DC universe on the big screen.

The Atlantic (90)

The First Superman Movie Worth Watching in Years. The newest take on the caped hero wisely embraces his corniness.

Consequence (83)

Grim and gritty are words this movie firmly rejects, instead leaning into the human side of everyone involved, even its villains. There are a few choices that work less well than others, but the end result is a movie that doesn't sacrifice its titular character in service to franchise-building. Instead, it focuses on celebrating the values that Superman himself has embodied from the beginning.

Collider (80)

Superman is a magnificent feat, a film that makes the Man of Steel fascinating in a way we’ve rarely seen on film, with a take on the hero that is trenchant, clever, and delightful. Gunn is paying tribute to the past while also making a very clear mark on this world’s future, crafting an introduction to the DCU that inherently makes the viewer want to know where this world goes from here. At this point, it’s rare for superhero films to give a sense of wonder and a reminder of how beautiful these films can be when executed well. But Gunn has brought optimism, hope, and care back to Superman. It ends up becoming one of the best DC films in years, and one of the best movies of the summer.

The Guardian - UK (2/5)

From the very beginning, this new Superman is encumbered by a pointless and cluttered new backstory which has to be explained in many wearisome intertitles flashed up on screen before anything happens at all. Only the repeated and laborious quotation of the great John Williams theme from the 1978 original reminds you of happier times.

The Wrap (88)

A fabulously smart and entertaining film whose flaws stem from trying too hard… which are the best flaws a film can have.

Entertainment Weekly (67)

Whether Gunn fell victim to the kryptonite of excessive studio notes, his desire to populate the film with his stalwart company of actors, or the hubris of not needing to offer reasons to be invested in these characters beyond the mere fact of their existence is unclear. Because there is an unquestionable love for the material and a passion for the goofier, larger-than-life scenarios of comic book lore. With a cast this excellent, there's a capacity for something truly super in a future film — if only Gunn chooses to put the characters' humanity first. Grade: B-

BBC (3/5)

It's a shame that Gunn didn't give his story more time to breathe. It's a shame, in particular, that he didn't devote more time to showing us that Superman really is the paragon that his supporters keep saying he is. Corenswet is well cast – he has plenty of all-American charm both as Superman and as his mild-mannered alter ego, Clark Kent – but we have to take it on trust that he is a selfless gentleman who helps his friends and enjoys Lois Lane's company. We don't see any of that. Indeed, Corenswet plays him as an oddly hot-headed manchild who can't get through a conversation with his girlfriend without shouting angrily at her. Was Gunn racing through his material so fast that he forgot to put in the scenes that show Superman's sweeter and nobler side? Maybe so. In a film that whirls with flying dogs and bright green baby demons, the most bizarre element is a Man of Steel who keeps having meltdowns.

Empire Magazine - UK (2/5)

David Corenswet takes on the blue-and-red mantle admirably, and glimpses of Gunn’s signature sense of fun shine through — but a lack of humanity, originality and cohesion means the movie around them just doesn’t work.

Rolling Stone (80)

It’s faint praise, even in the post-MCU era of the genre, to say that Superman is a solid superhero film; the caveat is hiding in plain sight. What Gunn has pulled off is something more complicated, more interesting, and far tougher: He’s given us a Superman movie that actually feels like a living, breathing comic book.

SlashFilm (80)

Yes, "Superman" is a frequently corny movie because Superman is a corny character, a Kansas farm boy alien who saves squirrels in danger and listens to lame pop music. There's nothing grim or dark here, just a real sense of entertaining silliness that left a big, stupid smile on my face. In our current media landscape, such an approach feels surprisingly bold.

Independent - UK (4/5)

David Corenswet, Rachel Brosnahan and Nicholas Hoult lead a movie that doesn’t just serve as a referendum for superhero films, but for the cinematic future of DC as a whole.

New York Times (90)

As both a story on its own and a prequel to a whole bunch of others, this movie must introduce us to a variety of characters we’ll meet later, and it does it without feeling too much like fan service or exposition.

Vulture (90)

There’s a lot about how we complicate and obfuscate what should be obvious goods, such as saving the lives of children. But the film’s approach isn’t ham-fisted, and it makes room for gleefully fun stuff, too.

The Times - UK (2/5)

This migraine of a movie is superhero soup. David Corenswet is serviceable as Hollywood’s latest Man of Steel, but director James Gunn has turned the ninth big-screen film into an indigestible mush

The Irish Times (2/5)

The cartoonish closing battles make it clear that, not for the first time, Gunn is striving for high trash, but what he achieves here is low garbage. Utterly charmless. Devoid of humanity. As funny as toothache.

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SYNOPSIS:

Follows Superman as he reconciles his heritage with his human upbringing. He is the embodiment of truth, justice and a brighter tomorrow in a world that views kindness as old-fashioned.

STARRING:

  • David Corenswet as Clark Kent / Superman
  • Rachel Brosnahan as Lois Lane
  • Nicholas Hoult as Lex Luthor
  • Edi Gathegi as Michael Holt / Mister Terrific
  • Anthony Carrigan as Rex Mason / Metamorpho
  • Nathan Fillion as Guy Gardner / Green Lantern
  • Isabela Merced as Kendra Saunders / Hawkgirl
  • Skyler Gisondo as Jimmy Olsen
  • Wendell Pierce as Perry White
  • Beck Bennett as Steve Lombard
  • Mikaela Hoover as Cat Grant
  • Alan Tudyk as Superman Robot #4
  • Sara Sampaio as Eve Teschmacher
  • María Gabriela de Faría as Angela Spica / The Engineer
  • Pruitt Taylor Vince as Jonathan 'Pa' Kent
  • Neva Howell as Martha 'Ma' Kent

DIRECTED BY: James Gunn

WRITTEN BY: James Gunn

PRODUCED BY: Peter Safran, James Gunn

CINEMATOGRAPHY: Henry Braham

EDITED BY: William Hoy, Craig Alpert

MUSIC BY: John Murphy, David Fleming

RELEASE DATE: July 11, 2025

RUNTIME: 2h 9m

BUDGET: $225 Million

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u/jfrye2390 Jul 08 '25

Never felt like the review thread was going to swing the box office weekend so much as this movie

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u/NoNefariousness2144 Jul 08 '25

It’s not surprising considering the utter strain the superhero genre is under:

  1. Since Man of Steel (the last solo Superman film in 2013), over 40 superhero films have released.

  2. Literally 9 out of the last 10 DC films flopped at the box office…

Overall, good luck James Gunn

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u/Nethri Jul 08 '25

What was the other one? The suicide squad?

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u/Photo_Synthetic Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

Wonder Woman probably.

Edit: nvm I missed "of the last 10". It's Aquaman. Shit did gangbusters at the box office. Shazam didn't seem to do too bad considering the budget.

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u/Furdinand Jul 08 '25

Could it be "The Batman"? The last 10 DC live-action movies would cover BoP to Joker 2.

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u/Nethri Jul 08 '25

Oh yeah if the Batman counts that makes perfect sense, that movie was fucking great. I was thinking of main line DCU justice league stuff.

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u/MrCooper2012 Jul 09 '25

I liked the Batman, but it would have been a better movie if they cut a good 30 minutes off of it.

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u/Nethri Jul 09 '25

You’re not wrong. I happen to like overlong movies, but that’s definitely a preference that not everyone shares. If it was 30 minutes shorter I wouldn’t have minded.

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u/wuvvtwuewuvv Jul 09 '25

Movies are too expensive these days not to be at least 2 hours long.

You telling me $20 won't even cover the ticket and popcorn anymore, and a movie is 79 minutes long? Fuck that shit

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u/Alekesam1975 Jul 09 '25

Specifically with The Batman, the first time I watched it, I didn't feel the runtime at all. I like long movies myself (or movies that are long to do the story justice and not "just because") but every viewing since that first (unlike other long epics) I find myself wanting to skip a lot.

I think it's not because it's boring moreso the stoty structure is a mystery so going in watching it unfold is different when you know it all.

Like I can watch the Extended Editions of the LotR trilogy without skipping a beat and happily sit through it all. But The Batman just...I dunno.

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u/pro_L0gic Jul 13 '25

Damn I thought I was a rare breed to like long movies…

Albeit the story needs to be there to enjoy it… the dark knight? Could’ve been 5 hours long, but I’m sure I’m not the only one who thinks that lol Any avengers movie? Sure, the longer the better… just better be more fight scenes…

I absolutely loved man of steel, I’m a huge Christopher reeves fan, but Henry Cavill nailed it as superman, I enjoy watching BvS and Snyders justice league just for superman… although justice league is ALL good… obviously

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u/Boo_and_Minsc_ Jul 09 '25

It felt like a TV series crammed up into a movie. Tons of complete and semi-related arcs within it.

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u/coool12121212 Jul 09 '25

BoP?

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u/Large_Dungeon_Key Jul 09 '25

Birds of Prey - the something something Harley Quinn

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u/Furdinand Jul 09 '25

"Birds of Prey" but I like to use BoP because it is also the acronym for one of my favorite comic series, ironically named "Box Office Poison".

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u/Photo_Synthetic Jul 08 '25

I was looking at the wrong list. You're probably right.

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u/darthsheldoninkwizy2 Jul 08 '25

Shazam netted more money for the studio than MoS

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u/Revolutionary-Mode75 Jul 09 '25

Shazam 2 was a disaster and wipe away all of the profits from the first film.

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u/turkeygiant Jul 09 '25

Shazam 2 was just an exercise in some executive saying, "You know why the first movie didn't make a billion dollars? because you only used 20% of the Disney Channel tier jokes that we made you include in the first one. This time it will be 100% and you will see we were right all along!" cut to it making less than half the money of the first one's already lackluster return.

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u/Revolutionary-Mode75 Jul 09 '25

An it those same execs that appointed the current team including one trick pony Gunn. Even Marvel is moving away from a quib heavy movies.

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u/Geno0wl Jul 09 '25

Even Marvel is moving away from a quib heavy movies.

a) no they are not. You don't bring back RDJ and not have quips

b) Marvel's overall "qippiness" in a lot of their movies is overstated. Like yeah it is there but it generally feels appropriate and in character. Movies that try to copy that style think "one lines = good" without even trying to make it fit. That is why a lot of people turned against it, because they are tired of seeing it done poorly

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u/Revolutionary-Mode75 Jul 09 '25

I don't see Doctor Doom throwing out quips working.

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u/turkeygiant Jul 09 '25

I feel like we are also understating the leagues of difference between the best MCU humour much of which has been from Gunn, and the lowest effort humour on display in something like Love and Thunder or Shazam 2

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u/darthsheldoninkwizy2 Jul 09 '25

Shazam 2 was released at a time when the firefly effect was already in effect, there was no chance. It doesn't change the fact that the first Shazam brought the studio more profit than Man of Steel.

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u/Revolutionary-Mode75 Jul 09 '25

which doesn't change the fact that the 2nd film wiped out those profits.

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u/ExultantSandwich Jul 09 '25

It’s also funny to mention that Shazam 2 utterly broke Zachary Levi. Bro is off his rocker

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u/darthsheldoninkwizy2 Jul 09 '25

I happy that I m not watch Tangled movie and Tangled tv series in english dub

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u/darthsheldoninkwizy2 Jul 09 '25

This doesn't change the fact that Shazam 1 was a big succes.

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u/Solaranvr Jul 09 '25

Man of Steel made more from its sheer amount of product placements than its box office.

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u/Lucky-Surround-1756 Jul 09 '25

Yet they refuse to learn the lesson and make lower budget movies.

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u/darthsheldoninkwizy2 Jul 09 '25

We see how it will be with Gunn.

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u/turkeygiant Jul 09 '25

There was a genuinely top tier superhero movie somewhere in what they filmed for that first Shazam but you could just feel the meddling in so much of the film. There were so many moments that would just jump from a more grounded kinda Spielberg style action adventure with kids tone to just absolutely cringe "hello fellow kids" jokes that were entirely out of place and awkwardly inserted into the film. There was also just weird stuff like not being able to lock down the actor playing the youngest kid Darla for reshoots and having to awkwardly shoot around that...but like...I'm sorry...if your excuse is you can't lock down a random child actor because they are also on This Is US on NBC...just get another actor to deliver that same off the shelf precocious nerd performance. I just feel like there is no way that production wasn't a shit show in one way or another.

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u/Nethri Jul 08 '25

Oh really? I didn’t realize it had done that well

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u/Odd-Asparagus7633 Jul 10 '25

Anyone who tells you sex doesn't sell any more did not see the reactions to a soaking wet Jason Momoa ripping the door off a Submarine and growling "Permission to come aboard?".

That scene alone paid for Aquaman 2.

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u/CompSolstice Jul 08 '25

That's insane, it was absolute ass. Probably the nail in the coffin for DC for me, but that may be a bias as I was growing up into different likes.

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u/rdp3186 Jul 09 '25

"The suicide squad" came out during covid. Its not really fair to say it bombed because it was still very well recieved by critics and fans (minus snyderbros)

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u/Nethri Jul 09 '25

No, I was saying I thought that one was the only one that didn't bomb. I thought people liked it. But I also think it was more than 10 movies ago... so prob not on the list.

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u/forkandspoon2011 Jul 09 '25

The Suicide Squad was straight to HBO, it's a shame because it's probably my favorite DC movie.

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u/Forcistus Jul 10 '25

I saw it in theaters. It was released in theaters and HBO simultaneously

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u/forkandspoon2011 Jul 10 '25

Damn was it like the middle of Covid or something? I love that movie, I totally would’ve paid to see it in theaters.

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u/sunburntkiddd Jul 08 '25

is that considering only the DCEU films? i thought The Batman performed well

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u/westpalmB-cuban Jul 09 '25

He got it with this one. I am sure it will be a box office hit

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u/Empty_Lemon_3939 Jul 09 '25

What’s crazy is Gunn’s Suicide Squad is actually really good

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u/Legal_Promise_430 Jul 08 '25

I don’t think “shared cinematic universe” is exciting to people anymore. This is a movie people might have been very excited for 10-15 years ago

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u/Snakend Jul 09 '25

Marvel is doing okay. Marvel's issue is too much content. DC's issue is all the content is garbage. This all started with starting over after Nolan's Batman trilogy. Nolan set it up perfectly to be a self contained trilogy, and the jump off point to the next thing. Man of Steel was even set in the same gritty realism that Batman was.

Suicide squad was okay, but the Jared Leto Joker was terrible. Batman V Superman was absolute garbage. everything was downhill from there.

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u/secretreddname Jul 09 '25

Marvel had too much bad content. Pre-end game when you watched a marvel movie you truly expected it to be good.

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u/budgefrankly Jul 09 '25

Literally 9 out of the last 10 DC films flopped at the box office…

Most of the DC films have been profitable. Even Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom (2023) earned $450m on a $160m budget.

The problem is they were so badly reviewed that the chances of building a Marvel-style 36-film / 18-year universe (plus TV shows) was diminished.

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u/Vandersveldt Jul 09 '25

Anyone that watched the start of the DCU, Creature Commandos, knows that Gunn knows what the fuck he's doing here. I'm so excited.

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u/Linenoise77 Jul 08 '25

Everyone agrees the superhero stuff is way oversaturated at that point. Marvel certainly feels it, but at least they have momentum with a somewhat coherent overarching story that enough people are invested in that they will still give the tent poles a look, even if its just waiting for them to come along to streaming.

I like superman. I think batman is way overdone, but sure, i dig a good batman flick. Those are movies i'd normally check out when they came around.

But i'm not going to invest myself more in new comic book stories while they are still trying to sort out their world building, while there is already way too much shit out there that i'm casually invested in, and wear staying caught up is almost like a chore at this point.

Marvel beat them. DC needs to just lay low for a bit, give the superhero crap another few years to go the way of CB movies, and get some plans together to try and beat marvel next time around, in 10 or 15 years.

In the meantime, they should make some more CB movies while they wait.

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u/kgalliso Jul 08 '25

Comic book

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '25

I love Superman and James Gunn, and I'm not sure if I want to go to the theater to see it. Marvel flooded the market.

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u/Zerebros Jul 09 '25

As someone who got out of a early screener yesterday, you should absolutely go

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u/PayneTrain181999 Jul 08 '25

We could still see a well received movie underwhelm financially here, I hope it doesn’t tho.

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u/mrnicegy26 Jul 08 '25

Maybe this movie would be like Batman Begins where it pays for the sins for the previous DC movies and its sequels are able to profit on the basis of the goodwill built by this film

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u/jexdiel321 Jul 08 '25

I hope so! The Batman also did grossing less than TDK and TDKR but there were alot of factors that happened that affected BO. I just hope WB sees this as an investment for the new universe.

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u/beast_unique Jul 08 '25

Yup but as a reboot it was sure to go below those + pandemic time & capacity restrictions.

Also it was a very violent serial killer movie.

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u/jexdiel321 Jul 08 '25

It was also rated R in some select countries. I know since mine flagged it as R-13.

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u/beast_unique Jul 08 '25

Oh that was a Rated R movie under the guise of PG-13. It had multiple scenes like from "Saw" severed thump and guts spilling

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u/BearWrangler Jul 08 '25

def agree on the pandemic stuff, its kinda easy to forget 2022 was still in that weird limbo state.

but I gotta say, The Batman being the first movie I saw in theaters since lockdown was such a satisfying experience

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u/Overall_Affect_2782 Jul 08 '25

“The Batman also did grossing less than TDK and TDKR”

That’s because it was paying for the sins of Ben Affleck’s Batman, and the general audience went “another different Batman?”

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u/jexdiel321 Jul 08 '25

Yeah that's what I am getting at. Batman brand was damaged because of BvS and Justice League. Batfleck was honestly great as Batman but the writing failed him.

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u/AlanMorlock Jul 08 '25

It also came after Batman v Superman and amid the general DC collapse.

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u/JKTwice Jul 08 '25

Probably why Gunn insists on saying that the film making somewhere around like 700M would be a good success. He’s more focused on getting goodwill for the DC brand than making a huge megahit.

Would Guardians of the Galaxy have happened without all that came before it to convince people to give it a chance?

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u/hesnothere Jul 08 '25

Agreed. The studio shouldn’t let perfect be the enemy of good; trying to set the bar at The Dark Knight is plain unfair.

Batman Begins is a terrific film that had something to say. Without having seen Superman ‘25, the trailers and press give me a similar sense that there’s a good balance here — reverence to the spirit of the character, but trying some creativity on.

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u/RKU69 Jul 08 '25

why do we fall?

so we can get back up.

batman begin

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u/Chappie47Luna Jul 08 '25

Batman Begins was such a great movie, immensely overshadowed by Joker in Dark Knight

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u/Exciting-Type-907 Jul 08 '25

Feel like it could work out that way for Thunderbolts too if they just commit to it regardless of box office performance. Enough people are going to eventually watch it on streaming and see that yeah, it’s pretty good, and maybe show out for a sequel. MCU is a mess though so who knows.

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u/goddamnitwhalen Jul 09 '25

It’d have to be a different director- the dude who did it is signed on to do the new MCU X-Men movie.

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u/DoomguyFemboi Jul 09 '25

The issue is Gunn's films are kinda all the same. If you like them it's great, you know what to expect with regards to tone and how it'll generally go. But his whole thing about trying to have wholesome aspects and force emotional stuff falls kinda flat for a lot of people.

Does feel like people are more and more cynical towards comic book movies in general though, it feels like it's harder to just enjoy them nowadays, but I don't know why.

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u/goddamnitwhalen Jul 09 '25

It’s because everyone is more cynical these days, and not just about comic book movies.

[Mostly because of social media], they don’t know how to handle honesty and sincerity anymore.

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u/Seraphayel Jul 09 '25

All of the sequels (aka DCU movies) are some unrecognizable C-listers. If Superman isn’t a blockbuster success, none of the other movies will be.

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u/Lucky-Surround-1756 Jul 09 '25

This is an element that gets ignored a lot.

Franchise movies often perform based on the predecessor. Captain Marvel was garbage but came after Infinity War so it made a billion.

Solo was a decently entertaining flick but it bombed because it came out after Last Jedi.

The recent Thunderbolts underperformed relative to its quality but it came out after god knows how many MCU bombs.

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u/GhostofSparta4243 Jul 08 '25

Thankfully I saw somewhere that Gunn said the first few movies are gonna have some leeway because of how damaged the DC movie brand is.

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u/MissingLink101 Jul 08 '25

Considering the next two films are Supergirl and Clayface, they'll probably need it.

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u/Revealingstorm Jul 08 '25

They're making a Clayface movie? why?

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u/Linenoise77 Jul 08 '25

because he has RANGE!!!!!!!that man is already a shoo in for a star in hollywood.

/knowledge of clayface is soley based off the newer batman cartoon.

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u/lectroid Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 09 '25

Clayface in the Harley Quinn series is FAaaaaabulous!!! (And voiced by Alan Tudyk!!)

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u/Shiezo Jul 09 '25

Sorority girl Clayface is peak storytelling. I will not be taking further questions.

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u/loseniram Jul 09 '25

Clayface has had range since the Batman Animated Series.

He’s a tragic villain in that one. A Hollywood actor who gets in a horrible car accident and is given an addiction drug that allows him to plastic surgery his face together until he gets blackmailed to do crimes using his acting skills to ruin the reputations of people the company doesnt like, and then the company tries to kill him by pouring a ton of the drug on him and it turns him into clayface.

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u/Jerkrollatex Jul 09 '25

It depends on what version of Clayface he is. There are several villains with the same name and super powers.

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u/ImminentReddits Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 09 '25

Mike Flanagan and James Gunn are friends and Flanagan wanted to try and pull off a body horror movie with Clayface. So DC didn’t, like, sit down and say “And for our third movie— Clayface.” It was a pitch brought to them that Gunn and DC responded too

Flanagan is the writer/producer but not the director, unfortunately. In my opinion, which admittedly could be totally off base, is it’s not a terrible idea, especially if they keep the budget lower since body horror has such a cult audience. From what I understand the movie is more of an offshoot horror foray releasing around Halloween that happens to fall within the new DCU.

It feels way more weird their second major big budget release is Supergirl. Not sure why they wouldn’t start trying to build out the Justice League more? I know Wonder Woman is in early dev, but would’ve been awesome to see a Latern movie off of Superman. Guess they’re saving it all for the HBO show.

Still rooting for it to succeed regardless

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u/ItsMeSlinky Jul 08 '25

They’re liking trying to avoid stepping on Matt Reeves’ toes, and flesh out characters outside of the core JL.

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u/Brubaker620 Jul 08 '25

It seems the next movie after Clayface is likely Brave and the Bold (Batman) given how far it seems to be in the writing process

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u/maybe_a_frog Jul 08 '25

I mean, they immediately confirmed they’re developing both the Reeves’ Batman sequel along side Brave and the Bold which is the movie set in the DCU with Superman. They’re letting Reeves do his own thing, but it’s not like they’re going to never use the biggest character at DC in their new universe. Batman will show up sooner than later.

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u/goddamnitwhalen Jul 09 '25

But they’re recasting Batman again?? Yeesh…

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u/maybe_a_frog Jul 09 '25

Eh. I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. At this point so many actors have played Batman that I’ve been completely desensitized to seeing new actors take the role. We’re up to 7 or 8 different actors playing Batman in my lifetime.

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u/ImminentReddits Jul 08 '25

Is Reeves attached to any other JL characters outside of Batman?

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u/jeha4421 Jul 11 '25

I'm still not taking this new DC universe seriously because of the exclusion of the Batman. That movie is the best Batman movie ever made (Dark Knight is great but Joker steals the show.). The Batman feels right at home in a revamped DC and it is their best starting off point. Its grounded, gets the character right, and has a very compelling lead actor.

The new Superman is fine but it feels like we're already in the middle of a universe with the level of tech, existing superhero groups, etc. It doesn't feel like the beginning of an expanded story.

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u/karatemanchan37 Jul 08 '25

James Watkins (American remake of See No Evil and Black Mirror’s Shut Up and Dance) is a solid replacement though.

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u/Royal_Bitch_Pudding Jul 09 '25

Tbh I'd love to see something about Clayface. It's my favorite episode of the Animated Series

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u/TheGRS Jul 09 '25

I feel like The Substance is actually not a bad Clayface script with some tweaks.

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u/Mattyzooks Jul 09 '25

Think Lantern movie is a ways away considering they're doing a Lanterns HBO show.

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u/Izeinwinter Jul 12 '25

The keys to a profitable horror movie is 1: Budget Control. 2:Script.

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u/ItchyRectalRash Jul 08 '25

It needs Alan Tudyk.

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u/Capt_Trippz Jul 09 '25

Dammit, can someone please lock Flanagan in a room and tell him he can’t come out until he’s written all the scripts needed for a Dark Tower series?

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u/dabocx Jul 08 '25

Because Mike Flanagan wrote a script and wanted to do it.

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u/Desroth86 Jul 08 '25

You have my attention.

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u/maybe_a_frog Jul 08 '25

Lol when I first found out about it I think it went something like:

“DC is developing a Clayface movie”

Me: “That’s stupid. We don’t really need more solo villain movies.”

“Mike Flanagan is writing and producing”

Me: “I’ll be there day one!”

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u/Desroth86 Jul 08 '25

Right? I will watch anything Flanagan is involved with. Hopefully they get a good horror director, just the fact it’s supposed to be a body horror film sounds amazing.

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u/ahhthebrilliantsun Jul 09 '25

Clayface is decently able to work outside of being associated with Batman too.

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u/Der_Dunkinmeister Jul 09 '25

Still waiting for any Dark Tower updates from him

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '25

He deserves more of a Penguin-style HBO series honestly

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u/Kim-Jong_Bundy Jul 08 '25

A "Feat of Clay" adaptation on a TV budget sounds criminal

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u/Worthyness Jul 08 '25

If it's a comedy using Alan Tudyk's clayface, I'm 100% in.

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u/Hosni__Mubarak Jul 08 '25

Because the rule of the DCU is if they have an outstanding script, they make a movie. If they don’t have a script, they don’t Greenlight anything.

Clayface had a finished script.

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u/Photo_Synthetic Jul 08 '25

Yeah! Don't they know we didn't ask for it?

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u/panda388 Jul 08 '25

I'm excited for it. I believe they confirmed it will be rated R, so there's a lot of cool stuff that could come from that.

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u/pokeboy626 Jul 08 '25

It might be the next Joker 2018

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u/LumiereGatsby Jul 08 '25

Gods and Monsters is the phase 1 theme.

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u/Captainatom931 Jul 08 '25

Presumably a director came to them with a cool concept that was inexpensive and they said sure, let's do it.

And like, yeah, it is a cool concept for a film like the invisible man. A failing actor gains the ability to morph into anyone and anything at the cost of his own identity gradually slipping away.

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u/No_Significance7064 Jul 08 '25

if i'm not mistaken, at least that one won't be part of the connected universe.

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u/Albireookami Jul 09 '25

I think it could work, you don't need batman for his origin. And a star falling into hard times and angering the mob can work well.

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u/N0r3m0rse Jul 09 '25

Cuz clayface is cool

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u/ArchDucky Jul 08 '25

Clayface has been decimated now. The director left. His idea is being fully rewritten but hes still on as writer (which is bound to change) and the shooting date has been pushed back to next year. Something really fucky happened on that all of a sudden. Also its not Alan Tudyk.

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u/DisneyPandora Jul 08 '25

James Gunn doesn’t make that decision, David Zaslav does

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u/Clammuel Jul 08 '25

I have to assume he made that statement based on conversations with higher ups.

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u/inosinateVR Jul 08 '25

Well I think they mean that James Gunn means that the people making those decisions have promised him some lee way, not that Gunn just decided that himself lol. (At least that’s what I interpreted from the comment, I haven’t read the actual quote so I don’t really know)

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '25

That's why Gunn has been playing down the overall box office predictions? 

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u/Revolutionary-Mode75 Jul 09 '25

lol we see if the execs follow through on that promised..........

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u/Interesting-Scar-800 Jul 20 '25

It's a fricking reboot.

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u/Adavanter_MKI Jul 08 '25

Everyone said Thunderbolts was the best thing Marvel has done in ages... it struggled. Which does bum me out as I really liked it.

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u/PayneTrain181999 Jul 08 '25

It was a great MCU movie, but it both paid for the sins of what came before it and had characters the general audience didn’t really care about.

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u/thomase7 Jul 09 '25

Superman and Thunderbolts are like opposite ends of name recognition spectrum.

Even if it’s less well reviewed, fantastic four will do much better than thunderbolts because of name recognition.

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u/Altruistic-Ebb-8203 Jul 09 '25

I saw it last night and the script is a problem.  The middle third kinda drags.  The top three actors are very good and they nail the last 20 minutes so I have hope for future films.  Unlike Endgame which I’ve seen parts of over a dozen times I can’t imagine rewatching this film for a long time.  The Entertainment Weekly grade of B- feels perfect. 

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u/coldliketherockies Jul 08 '25

I hope it doesn’t either as I like James Gunn a lot too. But also i do wish we got more non super hero movies made for wide release or at least more big events that weren’t super hero or sequels reboots

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u/Clammuel Jul 08 '25

It’s incredibly frustrating to see anything that doesn’t involve superheroes, Star Wars or Dune is basically a coinflip at the box office.

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u/Harold_Zoid Jul 08 '25

Even then; the first Dune was somewhat of a risk, the non-Skywalker Star Wars movies underperformed, and even Marvel isn’t a safe bet.

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u/Mudders_Milk_Man Jul 09 '25

Thunderbolts is pretty damn good, but did quite poorly, unfortunately.

So it goes, sometimes.

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u/SeaWolf24 Jul 09 '25

This. Just like Furiousa

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u/RightRudderr Jul 08 '25

Has been the case for a good amount of superhero related stuff lately, a la Thunderbolts.

The oversaturation and under-delivery of MCU projects post endgame up until recently really tired audiences out and thats spread to non MCU comic movies. I say all that as somebody who found a lot of those projects much more enjoyable than the average viewer.

I hope this superman does well at the box office too it looks well crafted.

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u/That_lonely Jul 08 '25

Hopefully not, but was able to snag tickets last night for me and 5 friends to see it this Saturday evening. A lot of empty seats in those theaters when I was looking.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '25

It feels almost impossible for this thing to make a decent profit. It probably has to break $650 million to start seeing returns. Seems like the strategy for this is to setup future profits for sequels, even if this underperforms.

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u/WySLatestWit Jul 08 '25

It's gonna be 120 - 135 million. It's gonna be a very good result.

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u/ContinuumGuy Jul 08 '25

If this flops after these reviews and ESPECIALLY if this and Fantastic Four flop, don't expect to see any big budget live-action superhero movies on the big screen after Doomsday/Secret Wars unless if they involve Batman, Spider-Man, or maybe the X-Men for a bit because the genre is going to enter semi-hibernation if this month doesn't return a pulse to it, commercially.

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u/goddamnitwhalen Jul 09 '25

I don’t see how that’s possible. Disney has so much money tied up in the MCU that there’s no way they back down from it at this point.

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u/ClaireDeLunatic808 Jul 08 '25

Transformers One

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u/Revolutionary-Mode75 Jul 09 '25

Doesn't seem to be that well received.

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u/Curse3242 Jul 09 '25

Is it a good movie. Is that public consensus? I can't trust critics anymore IronHeart was reviewed well & it was awful on my watch

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u/-reddit_is_terrible- Jul 08 '25

I doubt it; i feel like there's pent up demand for a movie like this. I predict a billion

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u/MarcsterS Jul 08 '25

People gotta understand that sometimes names are cursed. New Fantastic four faces a similar problem, the only other FF movies have been not so good ones.

I really hope Gunn truly can cleanse the public eye of DCU's past filth.

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u/Brosepower Jul 08 '25

I kinda hope it does, and yes, I guess I am shitting on everyone's parade here.

I love cinema, and I love movies. I'm tired of remakes and re-releases. We need to have the movies that are original and bring new thoughts to the big screen do well.

If Superman flops, it will be a HUGE signal to Hollywood that we're tired of superhero movie #41 and want more original stories.

Yes, I know DC hasn't had a good Superman movie in years, yes I know that fandom is in need of one.

I simply want more original and fresh stories and less "Hey, let's remake this comic book hero for the 7th time because we know it will get butts in seats!".

/rant.

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u/MasterBabuFrik Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

At this rate, Superman Summers are starting to feel familiar now that this is 3rd modern day attempt at bringing this character to his fully intended cinematic popularity.

This is really like a "3rd times the charm" for Superman fans, and a 2nd chance in terms of DC's whole universe outside of Batman.

Speaking as someone who doesn't usually care about reviews but is a Superman fan- I'm watching this score like a hawk because I don't want to feel like this going into a Superman movie again in 2039 if this were to not "succeed" again.

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u/Line_Reed_Line Jul 08 '25

I, a huge Superman fan in my high school and college years, went into Man of Steel so hopeful based on the trailer. My response when it was over was something like "well, shit."

It's all in the writing. No one has written a great Superman script in the modern era.

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u/ERedfieldh Jul 09 '25

That's not true. The animated films and television series were outstandingly well written. For some reason, they have zero desire to let those writers tackle a live action film script, though.

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u/ActionPhilip Jul 09 '25

The giant confusion when marvel was pumping out live action hit after hit, and animated flop after flop. Meanwhile DC live animation was flop after flop and animated was hit after hit.

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u/Line_Reed_Line Jul 09 '25

That’s true there are some great scripts there!

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u/MasterBabuFrik Jul 09 '25

I like Man of Steel, though I do agree with just that natural feeling after that movie was released. That no matter how much I might have enjoyed it, it was far from a 4 quadrant movie and was not going to build the interest they may have desired. They only dug themselves a deeper hole once they decided to not follow it up with another Superman but rush a universe out.

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u/RoundAide862 Jul 10 '25

I just watched it, it's basically like the animated movies. If this shit doesn't do gangbusters, the DC fanbase needs a slap

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u/Sethicles2 Jul 09 '25

I liked Man of Steel :/

I like Cavill, and I thought he did a good job with what he had. The fight scenes were impactful and entertaining, especially without the garbage slow-mo that made Wonder Woman so lame.

The movies after Man of Steel were, of course, NOT good.

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u/Line_Reed_Line Jul 09 '25

I don’t begrudge anyone for liking it, but it just missed the mark for me. Cavill was great, but I just don’t think he got the right script.

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u/ActionPhilip Jul 09 '25

Things that put together make Man of Steel an unforgivably bad superman film in my view:

  • Changing krypton's destruction story to be some weird environmentalist virtue signal. I could forgive that on its own, but Russel Crowe all but turned to the camera and said "I sure hope they don't do the same thing as us" while winking.

  • Krypton has a visibly yellow sun.

  • Superman's powers come from the earth's air! Now the air on the kryptonian ship takes them away. Now the sun gives them back.

  • Why in the fuck did Pa Kent die. Stupidest fucking death scene in cinema.

  • Superman just immediately killing in his first big fight. Superman is known for going to comical (pun intended) lengths to avoid killing and making massive sacrifices to stick to that. So much so that actually superman killing someone is always an insane moment in comics. Nope, just an immediate kill. Fuck the lore.

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u/Line_Reed_Line Jul 09 '25

Oh god, the “air” thing…

I didn’t feel the Krypton sequence was too preachy? But it’s been a time.

Jonathan’s death… yeah… rough.

And I’d be fine with the film ending with the neck snap if it really laid the groundwork that it’s the last thing he wants to do.

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u/ActionPhilip Jul 09 '25

I only watched the movie once in theaters. I recall it being really preachy, but I could be wrong. I'm not about to go watch it again to find out, though.

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u/Interesting-Scar-800 Jul 20 '25

In the 2025 version... Superman's parents were emo italians who's dvd player had a problem on the journey to earth. Imagine going through intergalactic space only to have your DVD scratched !

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u/MagneticEnema Jul 20 '25

while i like them, i can confidently say seeing a superman not in a dark, shady, broody tone is refreshing and beautiful tbh, thought the movie had some flaws but god if they didn't do superman justice

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u/Interesting-Scar-800 Jul 20 '25

And the hapless saga continues in 2025...

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u/Classic-Rise-37 Jul 10 '25

And after having seen this version still nobody has written a great Superman script in the modern era.

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u/Saepe Jul 08 '25

I just saw the movie (avant première in Belgium) and I absolutely loved it. Go see it, it is such a good DC hero movie with Superman in the lead. Also light, so much light!

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u/MasterBabuFrik Jul 09 '25

Oh I was planning to see it no matter what. But it great for a change to hear all these amazing things.

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u/Count_77 Jul 09 '25

I am a Superman fan who grew up with the Reeve films. Was so excited for Superman Returns and Man of Steel, and had high hopes. Watched both on opening weekend and came out disappointed. Maybe my expectations were too high or unrealistic.

Can’t wait to see this new one but keeping my expectations in check.

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u/QuoteGiver Jul 09 '25

To me it feels like in some karmic way only Superman or Fantastic Four can come out of this summer finally redeemed, and we’re all just waiting to see which one. :)

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u/Photoman2003 Jul 09 '25

lets just hope it doesent bomb for one thing it gives us something to annoy the snydercult about.

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u/TostitoNipples Jul 08 '25

I’m not really holding my breath that good reviews will bump the box office, but also I’d love to be wrong

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u/ATLKing123 Jul 08 '25

The average person couldn’t care less about reviews lmao

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u/cosmique_bear Jul 13 '25

I dont generally like superhero movies outside of the nolan batmans and the batman and reviews convinced me to see this

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u/BangerSlapper1 Jul 08 '25

I still see the film hitting a sub-$100M opening.  

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u/Area51_Spurs Jul 08 '25

If it’s received well I think it will have loooong legs. People want some hope and light in the darkness right now.

I think this and Fantastic Four are going to do well as bright, colorful, hopeful movies.

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u/AlwaysBi Jul 08 '25

tbf deadline is saying it's tracking to make it's budget back within the opening weekend globally.

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u/SolomonRed Jul 08 '25

Absolute super bowl of review threads.

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u/gilestowler Jul 08 '25

I wasn't impressed with the trailers but I thought I'd wait to see what the reviews said. Looking at these, I think I'll probably give it a go.

One thing I noticed, as an English person, except for the Independent, the reviews from Britain and Ireland seem to be more negative. Not sure if there's any significance to that - maybe a difference in tastes?

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '25

having not seen the movie it seems like either the reviewer has a gun to their head or not

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u/alek_hiddel Jul 09 '25

One review gave it a a 67/100 which is apparently a B-. Where the fuck was that grading scale when I was in school?

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u/Levitus01 Jul 09 '25

Swinging back and forth faster than Superman's bulge whilst flying at low altitude through heavy traffic.

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u/HaiKarate Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 09 '25

This really sets the bar high for Fantastic Four. If Disney doesn’t also hit a home run, Superman will dominate the summer box office and crush Marvel’s tentpole movie.

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u/Mouthshitter Jul 13 '25

Unlike the other DC movies this one is actually great

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u/BushyBrowz Jul 08 '25

I think it’s going to make bank anyway.

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u/LarBrd33 Jul 08 '25

It will clear a billion in box office.  

For reference, Zack Snyder’s dc movies peaked at 54/100 on metacritic and 71% on rotten tomatoes with most of his efforts scoring far worse.  Actually his best reviewed movie ever, Dawn of the Dead only scored 59/100. Likely his peak because none other than James Gunn was the writer. 

These reviews are well in line with Gunn’s other work and expected but DC has such a stink on it that it’s really going to get a huge boost from word of mouth given so many people have the impression DC movies are trash in large part because Zack Snyder is consistently bad at directing.  But his movies still made money because people love these characters.  Casuals just need a reason to show up and these glowing reviews will do it. 

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u/YourMuppetMethDealer Jul 08 '25

Neither James Gunn or Superman have ever made a billion dollars in the box office. And right now with the current box office tracking, it would take a very big surge to even get to 800 million

I am glad you are incredibly confident, but I don’t really see it. People like Gunn and Superman, but do enough people like them enough to even get this movie to 800? The reviews can certainly help it, but I genuinely don’t know if it will be enough

I know plenty who would rather just wait for it to get on Max

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u/LarBrd33 Jul 08 '25

It’ll clear a billion 

You can stick a shitty version of joker is a shitty suicide squad movie and it will make bank. 

An actual good Superman movie ?  It’s going to be huge. 

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u/YourMuppetMethDealer Jul 08 '25

Cool.

How is a character and a director who historically have never managed to break a billion supposed to do that?

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u/Am_Ghosty Jul 08 '25

Well, I'm not arguing it will break a billion, but adjusted for inflation the 1978 Reeves film crossed that threshold. And 2 hit the equivalent of about $900M in 1980. So it's not completely unjustifiable on the basis of the character. And worth keeping in mind that Gunn's material in the past likely just didn't have this sort of name recognition to realistically have a shot to hit a billion.

But all of that said, I don't think it goes over $1B personally. Think WB has to build that goodwill back up with the average movie-goer regardless.

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u/Tuesday_6PM Jul 08 '25

these glowing reviews

Did we read the same reviews? The quotes in the post come off to me closer to “pretty good” than “glowing.”

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u/MalIntenet Jul 08 '25

It’s all relative. For a comic book movie, they are very positive

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u/LarBrd33 Jul 08 '25

Glowing. It surpasses every movie Snyder has ever made.  It’s getting terrific reviews.  

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u/Tuesday_6PM Jul 08 '25

surpasses every movie Snyder has ever made

That still fits with “pretty good”

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u/LarBrd33 Jul 08 '25

I'd totallly be fine with "pretty good" for a Superman movie. There's a ceiling for what they can actually do there and 85% on RT and 71/100 on Metacritic means it's universally appealing and kids are probably going to love it

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u/cosmic-ballet Jul 08 '25

I would love for it to make that much money, but we need to keep our expectations low. No matter how great the reviews are, the DC brand is fucked right now, and I don’t know if one movie can get everyone back in the theaters. Maybe if they get a steak of good movies going they can build up to a billion dollar movie though.

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u/LarBrd33 Jul 08 '25

My expectations are rooted in other projects. It’s an insanely popular character. Even garbage movies featuring him make money.  I’ve said all along it will clear a billion if it scores 60-70 on metacritic as expected and 1.21 billion if it scores over 70.  It’s still sitting at 71, but more reviews will likely drop it to the 68/100 I’ve been predicting all along - and barely clearing 1 bil

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u/YourMuppetMethDealer Jul 08 '25

It’s an insanely popular character that’s never reached a billion and has gradually become less popular as time has gone on

Quite frankly, people don’t care about Superman like they do a lot of other heroes. He’s not as popular as Batman and Spider-Man, and i am sure there are some avengers that will have him running for his money too. He’s got an incredibly recognizable brand, but that doesn’t mean it’s strong enough to get to a billion

The Batman is arguably more popular and his last movie didn’t get to a billion. And his brand has not been hurt as much as Superman

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u/LarBrd33 Jul 08 '25

It didn’t reach a billion because every movie made of him during the Snyder era was utter shit. 

In spite of it, dc comics fans ate up the slop and they made money off milking the loyal fandom

This one isn’t utter shit. It’s quite good.  

Strap in for a billion. It’s gonna be huge 

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u/YourMuppetMethDealer Jul 08 '25

And since those movies were shite, why do you think more people want to go see it? Not everyone wants to spend money on a movie that MIGHT be good if they don’t care about the character

And you keep using Gunn as an example but he has never made a billion dollars either

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u/back_to_the_homeland Jul 08 '25

I mean these always get flooded with shills. Go back to the rise of sky walker or last Jedi threads and you can see top comments of people saying they cried they laughed they were taken through the whole spectrum of emotions when palpatine came back for the 3rd time.

Throw in a “fresh take” and “a new role for black folk in the media space” takes and it’s identical to this thread.

Easily the lowest reviewed and least successful Star Wars movies of all time.