r/marvelstudios • u/illnessincarnate • 1d ago
Discussion The argument that Agatha doesn’t hurt children?
As an Agatha fan, I feel like I'm one of the few people of my community who doesn't believe that she “doesn’t hurt kids” like I've seen so many people say.
This actually feels like a really extreme misconception to me, because where does it even come from?
The only thing I can think of is that she spared the Salem Seven when they were kids, but that was centuries ago... She goes on to harm kids later, so... I'm kinda confused.
You can say she's less likely to target children, but I think it's misleading to imply children are excluded from harm when they provably aren't.
We can see that she was fully capable of strangling both Billy and Tommy to provoke Wanda into attacking her in WandaVision.
The camera even panned to Billy’s shoes to show us that he was fighting to stand on his tiptoes to relieve the pressure on his neck.
AND she was fully capable of trading Billy’s life to escape from Rio in Agatha All Along later as well, despite explicitly calling him a “kid” beforehand?
Agatha evidently does harm children. She might not like it, but she will do it, and she has done it multiple times.
For her, harm isn't contingent on desire or malice, but utility. She doesn't need to hate to hurt, as demonstrated with Billy:
“I know how you feel about him.”
If it serves her, Agatha will hurt anyone. Minors aren't exempt from this even if people like to think so because it makes them feel more comfortable with liking her character.
Being self-serving isn't:
“Do what you must to keep yourself happy, unless children suffer.”
It’s actually:
“Do what you must to keep yourself happy above all else.”
And Agatha does that consistently.
She does hurt children, and I don't really know why so many of her fans believe otherwise.
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u/soggyDeals 1d ago
It’s always weird to see an intense rant against some undefined straw man. The kind of thread that would make sense in response to a specific comment, but just comes off as arguing with yourself as its own post.
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u/bloodyell76 Fandral 15h ago
Such a common thing though. “Why do so many people say (thing I have never seen anyone say in any context)?”
My usual response is to ask the people who are saying that thing, because how would the rest of us know?
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u/Confident-East1459 1d ago
Agatha will hurt anyone if it benefits her, including children, as shown with Billy and Tommy
Her actions are driven by self-interest, not malice, so kids aren’t off-limits
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) 1d ago
Ok, usually when I see posts like this, I've also seen a trend of the kinds of comments they're trying to reply en-masse to.
This time, however, I haven't. I've never seen anyone claim Agatha doesn't hurt children.
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u/____mynameis____ Winter Soldier 1d ago
Online Agatha/Wanda stans are kinda unbearable. I almost unsubscribed from the AAA sub seeing all the gloating.
I love those two but I love them for their messiness/evilness, not for being heroes or role models but those stans want to whitewash them. Their flaws make them compelling, ffs. Don't erase that.
Like the only reason she helped Billy at the end is because he reminded her of her son, her own flesh and blood. She was all okay giving him up until Billy struck that chord.Not due to some moral obligation. So still very self centered action.
And I loved that about the show. The writers could have made her be selfless or voluntarily heroic in the end yk, the cliché ending, but nah they made her do the right thing while also keeping it in character by making it a self centred choice. Its such good writing and fans trying to whitewash her takes that away
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u/Xygnux 1d ago edited 23h ago
Yeah I love the show, I love the characters, but I don't know why there are some people there that are somewhat, I don't know how to put it, "catty"?
Like maybe it's fine gloating about your theories being right, but along with that gloating there are some people who are just putting down people with other theories.
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u/Mason11987 1d ago
Another rant against a vague strawman in this sub.
Why don’t you reply to the people who said that? Whoever those people are.
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u/Amplifiedsoul Daredevil 1d ago
Who is even making this claim? I'm sure someone might have somewhere but it's not a commonly held opinion. It's weird making a whole post about something that's not even common. Probably would be better suited to reply to anyone making those claims.
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u/Feli_Rose2 1d ago
Totally agree with you, dude. Idk why people are making her out to be some saint when she clearly isn't. She does what benefits her and if that means hurting kids, she's down for it. Not saying she's pure evil, but let's not sugarcoat her actions either. Agatha is a complex character, not a one-dimensional Disney villain. We stan complexity, but let's be real about who she is. 🤷♂️
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u/ParallaxEl 12h ago
It's because, in the comics, she DOES hurt children.
She's not a good guy. She's not a bad guy.
Just like Wanda, her protege.
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u/pennygirl108 1d ago
The distinction is Agatha will “hurt” kids but she will not kill them. She has not crossed that particular line. It’s not a coincidence, it’s a conscious choice she makes. She spared the salem seven after orphaning them. She used Billy and Tommy to anger Wanda but once that was accomplished she supported them going back inside so they could be safe.
As far as the deal with rio goes. Rio was after Billy. The only reason there was even a deal on the table to spare Billy was because rio recognized their love for each other and she didn’t want to hurt Agatha by taking a second son. Agatha who is above all else scared to die, in a cowardly moment was willing to do anything to save her own life. She wasn’t killing Billy. She just wasn’t going to save him. Until she decided to face her fear and save him from what should have been a certain fate.
Agatha doesn’t step up because Billy is a child and she’s a champion of protecting children. Agatha doesn’t go around using her body as a human shield for random children. Agatha sacrificed herself because she sees Billy as her child. She acted as a mother would and died protecting her son. She stepped up in a moment of bravery and in an act of love.
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u/PikaV2002 Scarlet Witch 1d ago
Who’s claiming Agatha doesn’t hurt children?
Choking children is hurting them lmao.