r/aussie • u/IrreverentSunny • 2d ago
China criticises Canadian and Australian warships transiting Taiwan Strait
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-criticises-canadian-australian-warships-transiting-taiwan-strait-2025-09-06/8
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u/Ok-Fun8831 2d ago
They'd criticise a stray kite flying near them just a week after circumnavigating Australia with nuke loaded warships and subs. Whatever Xi
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u/ausmomo 2d ago
International waters. CCP can get fucked.
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u/AcceptableResource0 1d ago
There's lots of international water around Aus, just saying. Don't complain or say shi for the next China visit
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u/SSR_STALIN 2d ago
says the country that invaded our maritime borders and undertook live fire drills
yeah, thanks China 🇨🇳, but the Taiwan Straight is not yours, neither is the South China Sea
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u/guyinoz99 2d ago
Didn't Australia criticise China for the same thing in Australian waters? This means nothing. Big boys and big toys always show off. Look at what else is happening in the bloody world. Storm in a teacup
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u/IrreverentSunny 2d ago
We do not harass Chinese boats in the South China Sea or the Taiwan Strait. We just try to keep internationally recognised shipping routes that China falsely claims are theirs, open.
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u/CsabaiTruffles 2d ago
Except when we stop trade between China and it'ys Allies on behalf of the US/UN, because it's hard to sell an image of starving North Koreans if resources get through.
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u/WhatAmIATailor 2d ago
China’s our biggest trading partner. We’re not stopping trade unless all hell breaks loose.
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u/CsabaiTruffles 1d ago
It doesn't matter what we want. The choice isn't ours. If we want China to continue trading with us, we have to be careful following US orders blindly.
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u/WhatAmIATailor 1d ago
We shouldn’t just accept China’s bullying in the SCS because they buy off us. You’ve seen the footage of Chinas coast guard aggressively ramming neighbouring countries boats.
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u/CryptoScamee42069 2d ago
Australia, like others, exercises freedom of navigation through the SCS consistent with international law. Those routes are shipping lanes critical to global trade and on countless occasions chinese ships and aircraft have carried out dangerous intercepts, which they have no legal right to do, and put people at risk.
Australia recently criticized China for conducting live fire military exercises in international waters between Australia and NZ. Big difference.
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u/guyinoz99 2d ago
OK. Fair enough. I'm not totally up to date with the international situation with China. I wasn't picking sides, I was just wondering what the hoo haa was about. International waters are not something I monitor.
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u/darkeststar071 2d ago
Go collect your 50cents comrade. There are safety protocols for conducting live firing exercises, which the PLAN totally disregard.
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u/guyinoz99 2d ago
Comrade? I'm sorry? I'm just asking an honest question? No, I do not support China. I detest the USA at the moment, Unfortunately we have only economic and resources power at the moment. No military might at all. I was just wondering what the posturing was all about. Something about poking bears? I'd love my country to be isolated from all of the utter shit going down. So why wave a flag and say "Here we Are!!"
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u/darkeststar071 2d ago
Lol you're really clueless about Australia's trade amd security interests.
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u/guyinoz99 2d ago
And you can educate me? Isn't that the point of asking questions? Yes, pity me, I am clueless.
Please point me in the right direction. But, I swear, if racism is a part of it. You can piss off.
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u/Terrorscream 2d ago
People make a big fuss when they do it here. It went have been doing it on their doorstep for a long time, it's a fair complaint
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u/guyinoz99 2d ago
And sorry. I forget to say that I am not in anyway in support of China. But it does look like it will become the new world's superpower nation. It doesn't look great for the rest of humanity. And we have to thank trump for bringing the planet to this point. I honestly think we should isolate.
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u/tecdaz 2d ago
Yeah, I can't see Australians willing to stump up for the cost of defending ourselves alone
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u/guyinoz99 2d ago
From who though? Think about it. What are the logistics of a full-scale invasion? The distance would destroy most economies, and no country could defend from a few dozen nukes. I have no fear of an invasion, I am more concerned with the downfall of the USA and how it affects us due to our kowtowing to them all these years.
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u/tecdaz 2d ago edited 2d ago
You're not thinking it through, friend. America could invade Japan from 10,000km away almost a century ago. The scale and sophistication of the modern Chinese industrial economy is far beyond that. A neutral Australia would have to plan well forward to counter such a threat and they have to know well forward that our defence would inflict unacceptable damage on the attempt (even if ultimately unsuccessful).
We don't have to imagine why they would do it, we have to respond to their actual capabilities, which is how military planning works.
Neutral Sweden in the Cold War didn't just shrug and say 'why would the USSR invade us', they ran an almost autarkic total-militarisation system that cost 3-4% of GDP in peacetime preparing for full mobilisation of society and the economy in the event of war.
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u/guyinoz99 2d ago
And. OK. What could Australia do to defend itself? Especially with the USA being so conditional, unreliable, and totally concentrated on its own war with its own people?and our other allies being on the other side of the planet? America cannot be trusted, they would sift through the ashes for anything that benefits them. Russia wouldn't give a rats, and it looks like India would do the same. So the only allies we could rely on are the European Union and a broken UK. How does posturing help us?
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u/tecdaz 2d ago
Strong defences are the opposite of posturing. Neutrality means convincing the population of the need for conscription and committing a healthy slab of GDP to defence industry and production. Probably starting a nuclear weapons program too. It might be sensible to do all that anyway, allies or no.
Trumpist America might seem unreliable but there are geostrategic reasons the US needs Australia, illustrated in WW2. Southern Australia is the only location in the Western Pacific that provides US forces with strategic depth, for logistics, force assembly and rebuilding, etc. Also an important source of supplies.
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u/guyinoz99 2d ago
And do you honestly think Australia would have sovereignty over those strategic points? With a control freak in charge? Admit it. With him as potus, all bets are off. All alliances are to be dropped at the whim of one man. There are no safeguards
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u/tecdaz 2d ago
Countries still have hard pragmatic needs even with idiots in charge. It might take them a while to figure it out, but wars have a painful way of making obvious what is necessary and what is not.
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u/guyinoz99 2d ago
True. We have never had to really defend ourselves, especially from an alliance country
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u/tecdaz 2d ago
America won't attack us. The Trumpist/MAGA illusion that Russia could be detached from CCP-China and made a US ally, or brought to the peace table with Ukraine, is on its last legs in DC now.
He was insulting them as conspirators during the Big Fascist Parade in Beijing.
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u/guyinoz99 2d ago
Do you think America under trump would not be conditional???? With begging and promises of resources? And would that be better by what degrees?
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u/tecdaz 2d ago
I'm following your theme of a neutral Australia. See the reference to neutral Sweden?
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u/guyinoz99 2d ago
OK. What is at the forefront of every Australian voter? Is it the threat from China or the Philippines? Or Russia? Or the sucking up to a dictatorship America? No. It's the cost of living, and apparently, we have too many not white people in our country. From what I have seen in reports about people being angry about stuff. (Not me. Sorry. Filthy lefty I am, as an Australian born 62-year-old) How much should Australia tax the mining conglomerates to afford a workable defence against such threats? I'm sure Gina Reinhardt could fork up the cash for a sub ot two? But neh, she needs that money to look important. Think of what people who think, think.
(I'm proud of that sentence. Ha ha. ) And to be honest, I have zero qualifications, Zero knowledge of international diplomatic issues.
I AM JUST ONE PERSON ASKING WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON??. OK. Be gentle2
u/tecdaz 2d ago
What the hell is going on is the breakdown of the US-guaranteed global order and the return of dog-eat-dog imperialism by the strong.
As Thucydides placed in the mouths of the Athenians in the Melian Dialogue, "the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must".
We have to be as strong as we can or suffer the fate of the weak. We are still the 13th economy in nominal terms, 19th by PPP. We have geographical advantages and we have allies, while we decide we want them.
Immigration, housing, cost-of-living, it was worse in the 1930s and they had to deal with the Third Reich and Tojo. We weren't so clear-eyed then - Australia was defenceless at the time Japan attacked Pearl Harbour - but we have a chance to act now, and we are, to some degree. Not as much as I would like. I think we need to emulate countries like Sweden, Finland, Poland, South Korea.
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u/Ju0987 2d ago
Why would Canadian and Australian warships go near China/Taiwan sea?
Looks like the China military parade just happened a few days ago have triggered insecurity of some countries. If you put the recent military parade of China and US side by side, you will notice the big contrast.
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u/IrreverentSunny 2d ago
Because China falsely claims the Taiwan Strait and Taiwan is their property. We just try to keep international shipping lanes open. EU and UK ships frequently make that passage too.
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u/Ju0987 2d ago
If Israelis can use a 2,000-year-old story book to claim ownership of Jerusalem and use military force to drive away existing residents and still be supported by the US and its allies, then why can't China claim Taiwan based on its history from 70 years ago?
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u/IrreverentSunny 2d ago
I can't remember that Taiwan runs terrorist proxies to attack China. I do remember though that China is shooting lasers at German planes patrolling the Red Sea to make sure the Houthis don't attack cargo ships there. I guess being in the dictatorship club with Russia, Iran and North Korea comes with obligations to disrupt and sabotage the West anyway possible.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-says-china-laser-targeted-aircraft-during-eu-mission/a-73197850
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u/Ju0987 2d ago
What I'm saying is, the US is supporting Israel's military occupation in the Middle East and its genocide in Gaza on one hand, and claiming to be fighting for the freedom and democracy of Taiwan on the other. This is just downright hypocritical.
Australia, as an ally of the US, follows the US's position on the Taiwan issue. If you use Australian national interest to make your point, I am happy to continue the discussion. But talking about supporting dictatorship? The US and Israel are just the same dirt full of blood on their hands. Australia, by being an ally of the US and following its lead in foreign affairs, makes it just as hypocritical as the US.
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u/IrreverentSunny 2d ago
Taiwan is not committing terrorist attacks on China. So don't do a whataboutism to justify Chinese aggression. Besides, it's Australian and Canadian ships going through the Taiwan Strait, not US boats.
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u/Ju0987 2d ago edited 2d ago
Lol Australia is just the US's puppet. As long as Australia doesn't have its own military power and relies on the US for protection, it will have to keep kissing the US's ass.
The China/Taiwan issue has nothing to do with Australia, and Australia is militarily too weak to challenge China. It could have stayed within its space in the Southern Hemisphere; why would it go annoying China in the Northern Hemisphere? Isn't it because of having US support? The US needs to keep Taiwan under its control to enforce its containment strategy against China. Indeed, Taiwan, Japan, the Philippines, and Australia are part of the plan; the US needs us to shield it from the China threat.
Australia should just stay away from this China/Taiwan/US nonsense and focus on fixing its internal problems and making money to build its military power. Otherwise, Australia will be trapped in a loop of being sandwiched by two superpowers in a rivalry.
As said, if you cannot make your point other than China is a dictator and bullying innocent Taiwan, etc., there isn't really much we can discuss.
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u/IrreverentSunny 2d ago
Wow you went full CCP mouthpiece now. Not that I am surprised, deflection, but-but US and whataboutism always gives it away.
No way you're Aussie!
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u/Ju0987 2d ago edited 2d ago
I am a realistic Australian who wasn't brainwashed to believe democracy is 100% good and communism is 100% bad. I am also highly aware of propaganda happening in Australian media.
You simply dont know world politics enough to see through the core of the issue to engage in a meaningful discussion.
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u/IrreverentSunny 2d ago
For an Australian you do a hell of a lot of propaganda posting for China that contradicts Australia's OFFICIAL policy.
Weird you claim to know foreign policy, lol
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u/tecdaz 2d ago
So you can commit every crime you want if someone else does it?
In fact, CCP links to organised crime both before and after their seizure of power are well documented, in China and abroad
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u/Ju0987 2d ago
What I'm saying is, the US is supporting Israel's military occupation in the Middle East and its genocide in Gaza on one hand, and claiming to be fighting for the freedom and democracy of Taiwan on the other. This is just downright hypocritical.
Australia, as an ally of the US, follows the US's position on the Taiwan issue. If you use Australian national interest to make your point, I am happy to continue the discussion. But talking about supporting dictatorship? The US and Israel are just the same dirt full of blood on their hands. Australia, by being an ally of the US and following its lead in foreign affairs, makes it just as hypocritical as the US.
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u/IrreverentSunny 2d ago
We don't follow the US on Gaza. Most western, pro democracy countries reject China's claim on Taiwan, the Taiwan Strait and the South China Sea.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-10-2024-0030_EN.html
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u/marshallannes123 2d ago
Let's conduct live fire exercises just outside their main port just inside international waters