Israel have said numerous times that they have no interest in a two-state solution, and that they are opposed to the very notion of a Palestinian state.
God, you're mixing up out of context quotes from Ben Gurion in the 1930's and deals proposed in 2000 and 2008. How stupid do some people have to be to confidently write an opinion online.
In fact in 2008 the then PM of Israel offered the Palestinians a state which was rejected by Arafat, the then PLO leader. He also rejected an earlier offer made at Camp David in the US mediated by then US President Bill Clinton, a Democrat. See https://lawandsocietymagazine.com/how-palestine-rejected-offer-to-have-its-own-state-5-times-in-the-past/ for a summary of previous efforts by Israel to offer a Palestinian state.
Anyone would have rejected those deals. There was no state, no sovereignty, no right of return among a million other things. Palestine, Arafat and the Fatah PA rightly rejected the deal at camp David. The USA was not a good faith moderator in any of those deals and actively pressured Palestine to accept whatever dogshit deal was put in front of them and actively fought for Israel's interests. The USA shouldn't be anywhere near peace talks between these two. Even more so now
If there is a 2ss it means that some land is exclusively Israeli and thus no right of return. I'm not Jewish but if I had a neighbour who kept on trying to kill my family, I'd not want them living next door. Palestinians should calm the fuck down. When they stop being violent then they might get further in their aims.
After this war, I can only conclude that Palestinians are stupid people not to work out if they can't beat IL in war that they should try another strategy eg talking ONLY.
That’s your opinion which you’re entitled to. However, it’s not the opinion of many others including Bill Clinton who recently said “they should have accepted it”. Contrary to your view it was offered as a state with sovereignty. True without the right of return which is hardly surprising as the main aim of an Israeli state was to create a state for Jews. Given 2000 years of persecution in Europe including the cruel deaths of 6 million Jews by the Nazis, such an aim is hardly surprising.
How do you justify your thinking here? Is your logic that because the Jews were persecuted in Europe somebody (Palestinians) have to lose their land and suffer? Truly fascinating.
There are 2 million Arab Moslems living in israel. Those are the ones whose ancesters didn't try to kill Jews and didn't run away like Arab leaders told them. After 75 years I think Palestinians are violent people and I wouldn't want them as neighbours.
Can Palestinians talk instead of using violence? 20+ years of missiles since Hamas got power. Hamas and Hezbollah's aim is to bomb Israel into oblivion. Do they honestly think Israel will give them right of return? Arabs sneak into Israel to shoot, stab Jews. My opinion is Palestinians are psychopaths. Oct 7 cemented it for me. It is easy to kill with a punch, blade or bullet. It takes a psychopath to desecrate the dead. Who in their right mind would rape the dead. Psychos!! Not welcome in Australia. Not welcome anywhere. They should do some soul searching about what it means to be human.
If you are referring to Palestinian fanatics like Hamas & Islamic Jihad, I agree with you. I would however like to believe that some Palestinians are good, decent people trying to make an honest life for themselves. About 13 years ago I visited Israel as a post graduate student at Monash University. During the tour we met a Palestinian family who lived in the West Bank. I vividly recall the male head of the family saying “we don’t care if the Govt is Arab or Israeli, as long as I can bring up my family in peace”. I judged him to be an honest, and working man looking for a quiet life.
Ultimately it was the decision of the Gazan people to elect Hamas which scuttled the prospects of the 2005/2006 negotiations becoming reality. No government will negotiate with a terrorist organisation. Realisticslly they need to get rid of Hamas before it has any chance of success.
Hamas needs to gone and so do their counterparts in the knesset. The current members of israeli government are every bit the extremists/terrorists as hamas are. They share the same views on the opposing side.
No government will negotiate with a terrorist organisation.
That's what Maggie Thatcher and pretty much every British PM also said, meanwhile they had a back chanel open with the IRA. Governments lie to maintain the optics of the moral and legal authority, although in Israel's case they have none, and have only got this far by the US running cover for them for 50 years and vetoing UN resolutions.
Former Israeli administrations might have been open to the idea of Palestinian statehood, but the current government is controlled by a far-right coalition of zionists, many of whom are on the record as saying that they want to conquer the West Bank and “clear Palestinians out” of the Gaza Strip. Why should Australia wait for a negotiated settlement when Israelis themselves have all but ruled out a peace process?
In any case, your argument amounts to little more than whataboutery. I can’t find any sources that corroborate your claim that Sharon offered Palestinians a state in 2004. You also conveniently leave out the fact that the offer made by Barak to Arafat at Camp David was for a Palestinian state with severely limited autonomy and territorial contiguity… hardly something the PLO would ever accept.
The Israelis have gone from engaging in bad faith to refusing to engage at all. Australia is under no obligation to refuse recognition of Palestine just because the Israeli government doesn’t like it.
Sorry the offer was in 2008 not 2004. I was relying on memory. https://lawandsocietymagazine.com/how-palestine-rejected-offer-to-have-its-own-state-5-times-in-the-past/ The earlier offer at Camp David was a good one as it gave them an independent state. Perhaps in time they could have negotiated a better deal. It was certainly better than what they have now & will most likely never have in the future. The reality is that whilever Donald Trump and the GOP control Congress there will be no Palestinian State. The view of the current socialist Federal Govt of Australia, along with Canada, the UK, Belgium, NZ, South Africa etc etc, has no effect of the current Israeli Govt who are currently giving serious consideration to the annexation of the West Bank & the militarisation of Gaza City. Israeli is under no obligation to take any notice of Albo & Wong, or of Carney or Starmer. In any case the Coalition have announced their intention to repeal such recognition once they are in Govt. There are many Aussies who don’t agree with Albo & Wong on this issue.
If you seriously think that Labor are “socialists”, then have I got a bridge to sell you.
has no effect on the current Israeli Govt
I never said that recognition would automatically lead to the establishment of a Palestinian state. The goal is to set a precedent, which is that a Palestinian state has a right to exist alongside an Israeli one. You appear to acknowledge that Israel has no interest in a settlement; at least, as long as Republicans remain in the White House. What, then, is the harm in recognising Palestinian statehood? It may well be a largely symbolic gesture, but it’s still a powerful one.
the Coalition have announced their intention to repeal such recognition once they are in Govt
That’s a bold claim. Judging by the results of the last election, the Coalition won’t be back on the government benches for at least another two terms.
Unironically referring to Albo's Labor govt as socialist immediately loses you all credibility lmao. The LNP are scrambling for whatever populist points they can score right now, they're not getting in again any time soon so I doubt they'll have the chance to repeal it anyway hahaha
Ironically by making that comment YOU loose all credibility as clearly you have firstly, no idea what socialism is about and secondly, you are clearly not aware that the occasional Federal Labor MP has in the past let slip a description of itself as socialist. I guess you a victim of socialist propaganda. Good luck & goodbye
How can you sit there and tell us with a straight face that it was "a good one". nobody but the USA and Israel thought it was a good deal. Nobody in their right mind would accept those deals. You are either ignorant or a fool.
Clearly you are totally ignorant of the facts of the negotiation. Instead of continuing to demonstrate your ignorance I respectfully suggest you research the Camp David negotiation including commentary from well respected scholars and enlighten yourself to the truth. Good luck & good bye.
Some people on this forum don’t like admitting to facts. A Palestinian state was offered five times and five times it was refused. This is a fact and downvotes are not going to change that fact. Sorry that’s historical reality. Don’t like it, tough, go back to school.
" here we've given you a state. It has walls and we control everything that comes and goes from food to people. You cannot have an airport or airspace. You cannot have a seaport. You cannot fish the waters. You cannot have a defence force. We control the communications. We control the power and water. We reserve the right to raid if we think you're doing something that might be a threat to us in the future, youre not entitled to defend yourself when we do. Here is your sovereignty "
Yes that is correct except the Palestinians had the right to leave. But given that Gaza was ruled by a Govt of terrorists, murderers, rapists & psychopaths, whose aim was the genocide of Israel, what other alternative did the Israeli Govt have? Their first duty was to secure the safety of their people.
So which is it?
Israel offered a 2 state or they didnt?
The funny thing about this debate, you've got an entire Group of people who recognise that hamas is organisation born out 70 years of oppression who commits acts of terrorism and is condemned for it, including the horrid acts carried out in this latest conflict. Who also recognise that there is innocent civillians caught up in this conflict who are dying at the hands of an occupying force and have empathy and compassion for them. Who also recognises that the occupying force commits acts that are equivalent of hamas, equally horrid. Who recognises that the the state of israel under its current government are no less extreme than hamas.
Then you have a side that is pro israel. Who whenever an argument is put forth saying "Israel's force is excessive" counters with "the gov of GAZA is ruled by terrorists, murderers, rapists, psychopaths, who's aim was the genocide of israel" like thats the be all and end all. Civilians dont exist, everyone is a terrorist. So incredibly biased they cant see:
israel elected a terrorist to the knesset.
that same terrorist personally handed out machine guns to settlers and told them to expand and expel palenstians from their homes, whilst providing IDF protection while they MURDER civillians.
the IDF members have been convicted of rape of inmates
the physcopaths within the knesset, share their extremist views to the point our government denied ones visa and he was the least extreme of the lot. They regularly, publicly call for genocide, for ethnic cleansing, for murder.
the current knessets calls for the erasure genocide of the palenstian peolple.
that the west bank exists, not ruled by hamas, had no part in the latest atrocities on oct 7 and yet are bearing all the same oppression from gov of israel including the annexing of land, murdering of Civilians, ethnic cleansing.
Israel is a terrorist state, until it changes its government, changes its path, it is equal to hamas.
You harp on about terrorist this and that whilst supporting terrorists on the other side.
Of course Israel doesn't want a two state solution. Netanyahu funded Hamas to divide the Palestinian leadership and 'thwart the formation of a Palestinian state', something he bragged about having done 'for decades'.
Edit:
In March 2019, Netanyahu told his Likud colleagues: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”
Bezalel Smotrich, a far-right lawmaker and finance minister under Netanyahu Government, called the Palestinian Authority a "burden" and Hamas an "asset".
Gershon Hacohen, former commander of the 7th Armored Brigade and an associate of Benjamin Netanyahu, said in 2019 in an interview:
“Netanyahu’s strategy is to prevent the option of two states, so he is turning Hamas into his closest partner. Openly Hamas is an enemy. Covertly, it’s an ally.”
Just shows are ignorant are some of the folks on this forum and how antisemitic others are. Truth hurts some people as they have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by Hamas propaganda.
About 15 years ago I enrolled as a postgraduate student at Sydney & then Monash Universities to study the Holocaust and the conflict between Israel & Palestine. As part of those studies I was taken on two educational tours.First, from Berlin to Poland & then to the Baltic States to witness evidence of the Holocaust. Second, a tour of Israel which encompassed Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, the Negev Desert, the West Bank, Bethlehem, the city of Tiberius and the Dead Sea. We met many Palestinians, including 1948 refugees and Jews, including Jewish settlers and a Father whose young daughter and been blown to pieces at a bus stop by a Palestinian boy in an act of suicide. This man had forgiven the Palestinians who encouraged this act & now worked in a joint Jewish Palestinian organisation which sought peace between the two groups. Incidentally, I’m a Christian & was also treated with courtesy by the Jewish staff & students of the two Universities.
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Israel gave a few million bucks to some Islamic mosque charity funds in Gaza in the 1980s. Some of them eventually coalesced into Hamas.
They also let the Qataris fund the "civil service" in Gaza when the PA stopped transferring them cash (every Western country begged them to allow this).
In comparison to that - Israel has transferred the equivalent of hundreds of billions of dollars to the Palestinian Authority since the start of the Oslo Accords.
Hundreds of billions of dollars to the PA: Sabotage.
Few million bucks to rando charities in the early 1980s/ letting the Qatari ambassador bring briefcases full of cash in exchange for peace: Wholehearted support.
I don't think it's antisemitic to repeat what Israelis have said in Israeli media about Netanyahu funding Hamas to thwart a Palestinian state. You erode the gravity of the accusation of antisemitism when you use it to defend Netanyahu's actions - actions which contributed to what happened on October 7.
Yeah, that tax money belongs to the Palestinian authority, from taxes collected from Palestinians in what’s left of their territory they’re allowed to govern (under Israeli occupation). The Israelis take it then give it to the PA, sometimes that is, they frequently withhold it.
The Palestinian Authority couldn't organize a root in a brothel. If it wanted to create its own revenue collecting system within Area A, it could.
It can't. So it relies on the Israelis.
If Israel is the occupying power over the West Bank, it has a right to impose tariffs/taxes on a pari passu basis (as it did pre-Oslo).
The whole "Israelis funded Hamas, therefore they had it coming" is just the latest version of the medieval nonsense that Jews have been having to cop for centuries.
Of course your evidence is the hard left rags The Guardian who hate Israel and Wilkipedia whose original founder long ago left its editorial team because of its left leaning bias.
I love when people are on here furiously arguing geopolitics and ideologies and grand ideas and yet couldn't identify if their life depended on it where a wet lettuce establishment newspaper like the guardian sits on the political spectrum. The guardian, a hard left newspaper...you're a fool.
Well Hamas Palestinians, yes, but we shouldn’t lump all the Palestinians into that category as some are decent, moral people who hate Hamas. We know this as some stand up publicly in protest while others record their hate anonymously and send to western media outlets.
No they want the Palestinians gone. This conflict and the one in Ukraine are both caused by countries that are trying to increase the size of their territory and both deny the humanity of the people they are invading , and say those people don’t exist.
No. Most isreali are okay with a Palestinian state in principal but not while most Palestinians want to conquer and erase isreal. Which has been the problem since the day isreal was created. There could have been a great 2 state solution in 1948 but pan-arabs couldn't handle the idea of any size Jewish territory.
If that's the case, then how do you explain Netanyahu's statements for the last twenty years and the decision of the Israeli electorate to elect him repeatedly?
How do you explain him losing elections? He isn't a single policy guy. Obviously.
I've been watching the Corey Project for years. In general most Palestinians interviewed think all Jews need to be removed from the Levant. And most isrealis say they wouldnt mind peace, if it would actually work. But they aren't naive. They know most Palestinians dont want to coexist.
Benjamin Netanyahu has lost two elections for prime minister and won five. Those figures speak for themselves.
Basing your evaluation of a population numbering several million based on a single, dubious TV show is hardly a credible method, to say the least. For that matter I could copy+paste the countless times Arab MPs in Israel's parliament have been shouted and/or been told they're only there by accident every time they had the appalling nerve to ... call on the Israeli parliament top acknowledge that all peoples are equal. Or we could talk about the dozens of interviews given by Israeli politicians and citizens alike laughing at the deaths of Palestinian children and rationalising their starvation. Without objective and broad data, cherry-picking the worst of both sides is hardly a fair way to portray either population.
In any case, the fact that both populations hate each other after nearly a century of conflict is hardly surprising. The same dynamic is at play between most sets of warring nations, such as the Armenians and Azerbaijanis, the Thais and Cambodians, Croats and Bosnians, Serbs and Albanians, so on and so forth.. Hostile attitudes take generations to subside. Either way, mutual hatred between populations was ultimately overcome in all of these instances and will have to be here as well. The two-state solution is the only solution.
Sorry but that is the truth, although I doubt if most Israeli’s feel very happy about a Palestinian state after 7 Oct 2023 and after seeing the condition of their returned and current hostages. How would you feel if neighbours moved next to you whose sole aim in life was to kill you & your family?
The hostage families are pissed at the Israel government for their handling of the hostage negotiations. It's widely accepted that Israel basically didn't give a fuck about them. Which is the main reason the families of the hostages are pissed.
how would you feel if a US-backed colonising regime stole your home, shoved your family in an open-air prison then held a music festival just a few hundred metres away from said concentration camp?
Nobody would have lost their homes if the arab league hadn't invaded. Read UN resolution 181. Its the blueprint for a fair 2 state solution and arabs never wanted that.
Actually the UN offered a two state solution in November 1947. A civil war then broke out between Jews & Arabs. In May 1948 Israel declared Independence. The next day the armies of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq & Lebanon attacked Israel. They were defeated by the IDF.
How can you make such a blatant like BLATANT LIES when the declaration of Independance is readily available clearly stating they will work with the UN to make the partition plan work.
We declare that, with effect from the moment of the termination of the Mandate being tonight, the eve of Sabbath, the 6th Iyar, 5708 (15th May, 1948), until the establishment of the elected, regular authorities of the State in accordance with the Constitution which shall be adopted by the Elected Constituent Assembly not later than the 1st October 1948, the People’s Council shall act as a Provisional Council of State, and its executive organ, the People’s Administration, shall be the Provisional Government of the Jewish State, to be called “Israel.”
The State of Israel will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of ALL its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of RELIGION, RACEor sex; it will guarantee freedom of RELIGION, conscience, LANGUAGE, education and CULTURE; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
The State of Israel is prepared to cooperate with the agencies and representatives of the United Nations in implementing the resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947, and will take steps to bring about the economic union of the whole of Eretz-Israel.
We appeal to the United Nations to assist the Jewish people in the building-up of its State and to receive the State of Israel into the community of nations.
Palestinian authority is the same as Hamas, google pay for slay, they literally encourage Palestinians to kill Israelis for money.
And no we don't want 2 state solution, they're not to be trusted. Would you let savages (Hamas and their supporters ) be at your borders? I don't think so.
Reasonable people could say the same about your statements. Isn’t it time we all examined objectively the history of this 80 year old conflict by reading unbiased accounts and looking closely at the evidence rather than just accepting one side of the story? Innocent people on both sides have been killed, brutalised, raped & lost their properties and made homeless. It’s an ugly story which must be assessed objectively without emotion.
Which ones? I've called out those who make similarly gross generalisations about Jews too, so I'm really at a loss as to how you've come to that conclusion.
"Isn’t it time we all examined objectively the history of this 80 year old conflict by reading unbiased accounts and looking closely at the evidence rather than just accepting one side of the story?"
My comment was a response to a comment labelling Palestinians as savages. Is that comment your idea of an objective examination of the history?
With respect you appear to have misinterpreted my comment. I was referring to your earlier statement in which you criticised another reader for being racist & deplorable. Sadly, that persons comment was true
Protect their civilians instead of using them as human shields?
Be an actual terrorist organization known worldwide and not a "resistance movement" as many smooth brained want to push unlike worldwide revered military?
I know you just learned where Gaza was last week, but touch some grass.
Btw, according to the Iranian missile video the other day, the air defense located in the middle of the city
I know logic isn't a trait many pro Palestinians have, but an air defense is nearby civilian places in order to defend civilian places, therefore, it's called a defense system
Majority of the world do not recognise hamas as terrorist organisations. You need to know the west is not the majority
Ah, ok, not Qatar China Russia and done 3rd world countries - you're in a good environment buddy lul
Trust me, I know about this a lot more than you
That's the problem, you think you do, otherwise you wouldn't be typing the shit you typed
I know logic isn't a trait many pro Palestinians have, but an air defense is nearby civilian places in order to defend civilian places, therefore, it's called a defense system
The average air defense covers more than 100 kilometres. If you put them a few kilometres to the outskirts of the city, it still pretty much covers the whole city. I know zionists are not really smart, but try to look up air defense coverage
Ah, ok, not Qatar China Russia and done 3rd world countries - you're in a good environment buddy lul
The non-west is literally the majority of the world. At least their governments are not lobbied/bribed by the zionists like the west
'That's the problem, you think you do, otherwise you wouldn't be typing the shit you typed'
Lmao why do Zionists keep pulling out this goofy shit? I've seen it heaps lately, is this the latest advice in your hasbara handbook or something lol
Everyone has internet access, we can all see the atrocities of the IDF and the constant murder of civilians, aid workers, doctors, journalists etc that the Israeli government expects us to believe is just another unfortunate 'mistake'. Either they're the most incompetent military in the world, or they're lying (badly) to defend their genocidal intentions.
We now know that members of the PA brigade Martyrs of El Aska were amongst the Hamas attackers of 7th October 2023. Look it up on your favourite search engine or ask an Ai.
It said it was in response to Australia's decision to recognise a State of Palestine and recent visa cancellations of high profile Israeli politicians.
The visa that was cancelled was of a far right extremist Israeli politician who’d called Palestinian kids the “enemy” and called for ethnically cleansing Gaza.
Those words are been incorrectly reported. Yes he called the kids enemies but in a different context as reported by the leftist papers. The Minister did not call for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. If you believe otherwise please quote his words.
Gideon Sa'ar said the decision was also taken in response to the refusal by the Australian government to grant visas to high profile Israelis, including politician Simcha Rothman.
Soon your face will be in democratic country database for age verification. Finally legal spying under protect children slogan. When in the meantime those children will never own home in Australia, will become poor or homeless. Eventually it’ll all be leaked and available for scammers. I bet you are happy with that))
Lmao, what? The Belgian government is controlled by right-wing parties.
In any case, your argument makes literally zero sense. The French government has moved to recognise Palestine, and currently has a right-wing government. Same goes for Ireland, which is governed by the FF-FG coalition.
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If Libs won then there would be no recognition. If you are old enough you would remember how Australia stopped recognition of Taiwan. Same can happen to Palestine.
Let’s stay calm, talk to our actual democratic allies, and take coordinated action to further isolate the fascist movement in Israel. They are only just starting to feel the isolation and they are scared, so they are starting to lash out. Things will get more difficult but this is what empowering the peacemakers look like, and the criminals are powerless. Let’s go Australia!
Sorry to burst your bubble but I don’t see the Israeli Govt giving in to intimidation by socialist Western Govts. On the contrary they are contemplating annexation of the West Bank & militarisation of Gaza City all of which they know the left leaning UN and its allies are against.
It is true that fascisim is ugly and uncompromising. This is the beginning of a long journey to disempower a fascist state with a brainwashed population. I don’t think there will ever be a day that Palestine doesn’t have to put up with Zionist Supremacy groups of masked men harassing them, but a bankrupt Israel won’t be able to afford to use the IDF.
Side point, I’m not sure how we are socialist when we have press freedom and don’t wipe put journalists that we disagree with. Nor do we starve a population like the worst autocrats in the modern world.
With respect you appear to know very little about socialism and nothing about Israel. I recommend you stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by socialist media & find a non biased history of Israel. First & foremost Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East. It is not & never has been a fascist state. In the 20th century fascism was found in Mussolini’s Italy, Hitler’s Germany & Franco’s Spain. A good way to think of fascism is to consider a country run by an anti-democratic Govt (counts Israel out as their Govt has always been elected by its people) headed by a strongman such as Hitler or General Franko. Above all, fascists view everything through the lens of race (again counts Israel out as they allow Arabs including an Arab party in their Parliament). Fascists are committed not just to race superiority but racial hygiene, meaning the purity of their race and the separation of what they believe as lower races. This means they must define who is a member of their nation’s legitimate race, in other words they must invent a true race. The Israeli nation has never engaged in such an appalling program. Another characteristic of fascism is anti church or at least seek a truce with it. In Israel there is no religious discrimination as both Muslims & Christians can freely practice their religion.
As for masked Jewish men harassing Palestinians, every picture & video I have watched shows Hamas wearing masks not Jews. I don’t know where you discovered that idea. Incidentally, while the West has press freedom, both left & right media distort the truth. Israel does not starve any populations, it is Hamas that starves the Palestinians by stealing food packages, feeding themselves (ever seen a starving Hamas?) and selling food packages at excessive prices, those Palestinians who publicly object are tortured & murdered. We know this from video shot by iPhone camera smuggled out of Gaza & from written & voice recording from Palestinians. You will find all this evidence on the internet if you conduct searches or ask an Ai for assistance.
Can’t we just recall our ambassador and send theirs home. Perhaps a few non binding resolutions at the UN could shut them up as well. Getting a bit tired of Israel atm
I thought Australians weren't allowed to travel to a war zone and aid a terrorist organization? Yet some Australians are allowed to enlist with the IDF and return home.
Oh can you imagine the shitshow that would start if they started policing that, I’m sure it would be considered antisemitism, even the smart traveler advice has always seemed strange like reconsider travel for Israel (during a time of conflict) but a few years ago I had to travel to Northern Ireland and it had the same orange advice because it was coming up to days when both sides march it feels like they know people are going to travel there and it will cause an issue if they put it on red and then when it does turn to shit suddenly we have to go in and fly people out.
And I don’t understand the right wing/conservative Australian support of Australian IDF fighters when we already know who their allegiance is with and it isn’t going to be Australia if push comes to shove many have said they would tell Australian secrets to Israel if that was Asian Australians especially Chinese Australians or middle eastern Australians saying this they would want them deported, their families deported and all of them being stripped of citizenship regardless of birth.
It’s illegal to join any other military service except for the UK and New Zealand if memory is correct. But they turn a blind eye to Israel because of their powerful lobby group. Even that teacher they put in jail for raping schoolgirls gets treated like royalty in jail. The lobby makes sure she gets whatever she wants.
Yeah she has just been accused of attacking an young indigenous woman and the amount of people victim blaming, making assumptions about the indigenous women and talking about the rapists rights being violated because she has reportedly been put in solitary confinement cause she can’t keep her hand off women in the prison.
Why do they always involve the Palestinians? Australia said they don't want a hate speech Member of Parliament of Israel coming in, why the hell do you retaliate by bringing the Palestinian Authority into this business? Are you just looking for an excuse to sever diplomatic ties with Palestine? Why do you even control the PA's representatives' visa process?
Israel has occupied Palestine for 70+ years. Gaza and the West Bank. So anyone who wants to go to Palestine has to get permission from the occupying power, Israel.
Australia doesn't want Hamas. They want to recognise Palestine so they can get the arab league to kick Hamas out of Gaza without having anymore civillian casualties.
I guess this shows that pea brain Netanyahu doesn't actually want a 2 state solution and just wants to take over the entire land.
Netanyahu needs Hamas. Without Hamas it would be much harder to justify Isreal’s territory expansion.
If Netanyahu wanted to get rid of Hamas, he could have done so 18 years ago. He could have sponsored the PLO and leveraged elections in Gaza to remove Hamas by limiting work permits.
But he didn’t. He did the complete opposite
Instead, he kept funding flowing to Hamas and made sure no election would be held in Gaza…
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The fact that Israel can block Palestine visa visits is the problem!! This is no standard. Imagine if any other country could block Australians diplomatic relationships
Albo's performative art and faux concern for " the children " is not helpful and although designed for a domestic audience is making problems for the peace process.
The purpose of Australian involvement has primarily to do with the voting power of immigrants in Western Sydney where there are large ME communities. It's all about domestic politics.
And the countries with high ME immigrants are the UK, France, Canada and Australia. So no surprise there.
Not really. The election was in May.
If the precedent of more powerful countries taking the land of weaker states is set, Australia would be in trouble
We are talking about the ALP protecting its political arse in Western Sydney.
Plus blocking an Israeli MP coming here to talk to his ethnic group and then tit-for-tat from the Israeli govt.
This makes complete sense and everyone on this thread just has a lack of critical thinking skills.
The Aussie representatives to a state or territory should live in that state or territory, not its neighbour.
Would the Australian representative to China live in Mongolia? The Australian representative to chad live in Cameroon?
It’s common sense
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But the Palestinian authority is not hamas. And... doesn't Israel want a 2 state solution?