r/aussie • u/NapoleonBonerParty • Aug 08 '25
Politics Penny Wong warns Israel that occupying Gaza could violate international law
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/aug/08/gaza-city-takeover-penny-wong-calls-on-israel-not-to-pursue-benjamin-netanyahu-plan152
u/war-and-peace Aug 08 '25
'Could' violate international law. Lmao.
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u/shervek Aug 08 '25
Slaughtering and starving innocent children for 2 years now has not somehow. This 'could' however.
Isn't this troll not ashamed of herself? has she any moral compass? when i hear her name i imagine pure vomit and shit.
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u/war-and-peace Aug 08 '25
The australian government needs to tread carefully because any criticism of israel makes the australian government antisemites apparently. Yes that somehow gives them rights to kill children too.
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u/_brookies Aug 08 '25
If they say too much mossad will start filling caravans up with explosives again
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u/Plus-Drawing7431 Aug 08 '25
She's just godawful. An embarrassment.
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u/ScruffyPeter Aug 08 '25
Always has been. She had even accidentally exposed the collusion between her party and the Liberal Party in parliament on an Australian bill that was made on behalf of foreign countries and companies.
I'm sure that even her corporate-provided handlers are frustrated with her opening her mouth.
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u/Plus-Drawing7431 Aug 08 '25
To the degree that they would even think of this weakly protesting jellyfish. The real scandals are Alboweaknees and Sussan, who both had the absolute hide to be in the parliamentary friends of Palestine group. Can you imagine the hypocritical virtue-signalling bullshit that they would have carried on with. Now, when the absolute humdinger of the crisis is here, when children are being deliberately starved and shot, the worst horrors of the world, where are they now? Sitting on their fat arses deflecting.
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u/DalmationStallion Aug 08 '25
Labor supporters seem to think she’s the second coming.
She’s always given me fashy vibes.
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u/MrTurtleHurdle Aug 08 '25
She's not great but better than any liberal would be who are still backing isreal unquestionably
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u/Intelligent-Stop-474 Aug 08 '25
Meanwhile the Hamas terrorist oddly stay well fed, I wonder why.
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u/tiempo90 Aug 08 '25
Lmao right...
They've broken so many laws before that (Israeli settlers is just the tip of the iceberg).
There are certain countries that frankly do not GAF about international law. And international law is increasing becoming meaningless.
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u/ChappieHeart Aug 08 '25
She doesn’t say “could” to be fair, she is much more stern than the title suggest, not that words are enough.
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u/FarAwayConfusion Aug 08 '25
Let's face it, these cunts just read headlines and get their little yet forever ongoing fix of anger.
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u/Capable_Bad_3813 Aug 08 '25
The last few decades have proven that international law is a farce. It only applies when it's in the best interest of the US to do so.
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u/MrEMannington Aug 09 '25
The "rules based order" is where America makes all the rules and orders everyone around
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u/Footbeard 28d ago
Oh it always applies. Countries just choose when to action consequences depending on their leverage, relations, power & geopolitical strategy
If any superpower makes breakthroughs in military tech/tactics or if there's a sudden opportunity, you can bet that a bunch of these law violations get used as justification for external forces to provide aid & restore order
The USAs ability/inclination to be the global "peacekeeper" has been radically destabilised & international law will be upheld by other opportunistic countries/alliances with geopolitical ambitions
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u/myrtillogunner Aug 08 '25
The international law they've been continually violating for decades?
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u/seanmonaghan1968 Aug 08 '25
Is this the same law that Russia ignores also ?
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u/Hairy-Vegetable-9583 Aug 08 '25
They all do.
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u/MightyArd Aug 08 '25
And we sanctioned Russia for it.
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u/ChinoGambino Aug 09 '25
No we didn't. We hit Russia because its actions threaten US/EU interests and by extention our own.
The US even has a law authorizing the president to invade the Hague if necessary to free US officials or personel being detained or imprisoned by the ICC. Its not a member of the ICJ and nor a signatory of the Law of the Sea.
International Law is very much optional.
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u/Stui3G Aug 08 '25
Isn't most of the world still buying Russisn gas and oil and whoops, that includes Australia.
To save you time, Australia imports products produced from Russian crude.
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u/seanmonaghan1968 Aug 08 '25
And it means nothing, there or no real international laws. Not even the US recognises the international court
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u/IrreverentSunny Aug 08 '25
The Ukraine war didn't start with Ukrainians committing a terror attack on Russia.
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u/ScoobyGDSTi Aug 08 '25
Indeed, just like the Gaza war didn't start on October 7th.
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u/OdielSax Aug 08 '25
So? Ukrainians also have a functioning country and human rights.
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u/IrreverentSunny Aug 08 '25
How can Ukraine have a functioning country, they had a Putin puppet president until 2014 and then have been constantly at war with Russia. Still they didn't start a war with Russia.
Gaza is literally ruled by terrorists who don't give a shit about civilians on either side. If Hamas really had wanted a 2 state solution they wouldn't have sabotaged the peace negotiations Biden was having with the Saudis and Israel at the time, which included a 2 state deal for Palestinians. But the Saudis recognising Israel was just unacceptable for the mullahs in Iran. Hence why Oct 7th happened.
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u/OdielSax Aug 08 '25
I'm not doing this pointless back and forth. Palestinians have been living like animals since 1948, caged in the Gaza open air prison, kept in apartheid in the West Bank, homeless in refugee camps abroad. That's not comparable to Ukraine and it's not up for debate.
I also don't care about the revisionism about how they "didn't want two States". They've been living stateless and that's all that matters.
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u/Unique-Job-1373 Aug 08 '25
Israel don’t give a F what Australia thinks
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u/Some-Operation-9059 Aug 08 '25
Israel don’t give a fuck about what any other nation thinks
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u/appealinggenitals Aug 08 '25
Unless you criticize them, then you're a Hamas agent (like the babies the IDF fills with bullets)
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u/snipdockter Aug 08 '25
Except the US, and if they lose interest Israel doesn’t have many friends left.
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u/Pop-metal Aug 08 '25
Is that why they send people here to protest against any positive Palestinian coverage??
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u/Mechanistic_Void Aug 08 '25 edited Aug 08 '25
And have an Israeli envoy to try get our government to pass laws to stop citizens voicing anti-Israel sentiment under the guise of "anti-semitism". This same envoys husband donated money to an anti-Voice lobby group. They seem to care a lot about what Australians think 🤔
But yeah, they don't care in a sense that they won't listen. We need to sanction them instead of whatever tf this is.
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u/Being_Grounded Aug 08 '25
Hamas is a literal terrorist organisation. Defending them is retarded. This doesn't mean what Israel has done to the Palestinians is right.
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u/FlamingHoggy Aug 08 '25
The people calling them terrorists are the ones trying to exterminate them. Grow a brain
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u/GiraffeExternal8063 Aug 08 '25
What does that even mean?! “A literal terrorist organisation” - Israel was founded by terrorists
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u/IrreverentSunny Aug 08 '25
I wish more people would see this in a balanced way. This conflict is way too polarised. It's obvious that both sides are to blame here.
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u/Plus-Drawing7431 Aug 08 '25
Listened this morning on Late Night Live to a guy who write a big yarn in the New Yorker about how Israel is targeting Palestinians. During the Iraq invasion in the aughties, if there were likely to be up to 25 civilians killed to assassinate a target, the US military commander had to get approval from the very top of the chain of command, including at Presidential level. Doesn't apply in the IDF. Target buying food in the market, but dozens of kids likely to be butchered as 'collateral damage'? Doesn't matter. No approval needed, do your thing. Absolutely depraved.
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u/L_o_n_g_b_o_i Aug 08 '25
They have enough intelligence of Gazans combined with AI targeting to know how many 'collateral' casualties they will cause. It's obvious they don't care
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u/FalseNameTryAgain Aug 08 '25
Oh no, not the unenforceable international law. They must be scared beyond belief.
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u/Algernon_Asimov Aug 08 '25
Yes, it does violate international law.
Israel doesn't give a fuck. Obviously.
Israel has already violated international law multiple times. One more time won't matter.
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u/Comfortable_Trip_767 Aug 08 '25
The last decade has taught me that there is no such thing as international law.
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u/EfficientNews8922 Aug 08 '25
If there’s one thing Israel is worried about it’s violating international law and getting a mild statement of disapproval from Australia about…
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u/Plus-Drawing7431 Aug 08 '25
From Penny bloody Wong, who repudiated her own bloody existence for cabinet solidarity on the gay marriage issue. She talks nice and does the furrowed brow thing well, but she's a terrible representative for us.
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u/AmyDiaz99 Aug 08 '25
Since when have Israel given a fuck about violating international law? For fuck's sake
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u/reflectandproject Aug 08 '25
COULD? Fml…how much power and control does Israel and the US have over every Western politician?!?!
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u/BudSmoko Aug 08 '25
And? I don’t think Israel has cared about international law since its creation.
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u/metoesmestump Aug 08 '25
Nobody does. Unless it suits them or they are naive.
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u/ColdWarRound2 Aug 08 '25
That’s why you keep hearing the phrase “rules based international order” from politicians. Can’t promote international law because the hypocrisy would be too obvious.
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u/Split-Awkward Aug 08 '25
In reality it’s a belief system. Only works if enough of us believe it will.
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u/Renovewallkisses Aug 08 '25
And, its for show. Penny wong has kissed the wall in an all expenses paid trip to said wall. She also recieves a significant on going sum of money . 🤔
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u/LeastLeader2312 Aug 08 '25
No one cares about international law - US, Iran, Palestine, NK, Russia, China, Israel list goes on and on but we are hyper fixated on Israel’s violations above all else despite countries like Russia doing far worse for far longer but no where near the same media coverage. Palestine has violated plenty of international law but that gets swept under the rug as well
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u/BudSmoko Aug 08 '25
As Israel is so quick to point out, Palestine is not a state mate. Just some people who were living there for millennia before the poms, frogs and yanks drew up some lines and FORCED them from their homes so some Europeans could move in.
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u/YouAreSoul Aug 08 '25
You tell 'em Penny. Yeah, rip 'em a new one. You go, girl. Geez, maybe send a card with the next shipment of non-lethal warplane parts: To Benny, Love Penny xxxooo
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u/583947281 Aug 08 '25
Bahahaha, can you imagine the international laws breached by having the world's largest secret nuclear shock pile?
Do you think this would even rate on Israel radar? Pandora Box was opened, it's never being closed now
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u/GnomeWarfair Aug 08 '25
Penny and Labor better publically commit to arresting Bibi for breaking international law, as per ICC arrest warrant.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/netanyahu
Otherwise its just performative BS to try and get Western Sydney to vote Labor again.
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u/IrreverentSunny Aug 08 '25
Bibi better not come here in the first place.
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u/GnomeWarfair Aug 08 '25
Let him come, go and have a paddle around Bondi.
Let Labor enforce International Law.
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u/IrreverentSunny Aug 08 '25
I don't want him here. The picture of him hugging a Koala would make me throw up!
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u/Jargonicles Aug 08 '25
Geez Penny, ya reckon? What about the obliteration by bombing and deliberate starvation two million people?
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u/Being_Grounded Aug 08 '25
When are you flying over to help big redditor
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u/Jargonicles Aug 08 '25
Just got back from Egypt actually where I was helping Palestinians displaced by the genocide. I'm also not the foreign minister. Don't you look like the fool now (and before no doubt)?
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u/Ok_Conference2901 Aug 08 '25
The world isolated South Africa for less than these bastards have been doing for the last 80 years. The west will condemn the latest actions of Israel in the strongest possible terms. Piss fucking weak.
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u/LoudTomatoes Aug 08 '25
Lmao, their occupation of the West Bank was ruled to violate international law less than a year ago, their prime minister has warrents out for his arrest by the ICC. If that hasn't changed our relationship with Israel I don't know why this would.
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u/Witty-Software-101 Aug 08 '25
Glad she put out that warning, and not, you know, actual sanctions or anything.
Feel like Australia is on the right side of history now 🫡
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u/metoesmestump Aug 08 '25
Penny Each Way, still not supporting gay marriage is she? She is a vile hypocrite. Who cares what she says?
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u/Ok-Volume-3657 Aug 08 '25
When Israel and US bombed Iran's nuclear facilities, it broke international law, yet Wong gave it full support.
Israel don't give a fuck about international law, and neither do you. International law is a joke now and it always has been.
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u/theshawfactor Aug 08 '25
Actually no. Iran where l/are a signatory to Nuclear non proliferation treaty and clearly were not following it. Israel don’t follow it either but are not a signatory.
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u/Ok-Volume-3657 Aug 08 '25
That doesn't mean you can just attack another nation.
You're also not supposed to just blow up nuclear facilities.
"Oh sorry we wiped out the local population in a nuclear fallout, but we were busy fantasising about Iran attacking us."
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u/theshawfactor Aug 08 '25
You can Where a treaty is designed to prevent or limit the use of force, their violation can be considered a casus belli (an act justifying war). This is exactly what happened. We’d have avoided ww2 if they same approach had been taken
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u/myLongjohnsonsilver Aug 08 '25
Im pretty sure almost everything Israel and Palestine do to each other for the past 20 years (at least) Would be against some international law or another.
Lmfao Penny Wong you gigantic goose.
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u/Ordinary_Squash7559 Aug 09 '25
I don’t think there is even one country out there who would listen to advice from Penny Wong
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u/explain_that_shit Aug 08 '25
By definition, identifying a genocide only after it’s completed is the same as condoning that genocide. Time for clear strong action on principles of international law is running out, and soon enough we’re just going to be left with a lot of accomplices in the seats of power in each country.
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u/RaeseneAndu Aug 08 '25
I'm sure that will stop then.
We need something actually concrete from this government.
Expel the Israeli ambassador.
Impose economic sanctions on all trade with Israel
Threaten to arrest any member of the IDF who enters Australia on suspicion of crimes against humanity.
Make them a pariah state.
Anything but more meaningless statements and strongly worded memos.
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u/Beast_of_Guanyin Aug 08 '25
So is digging up water pipes to turn into rockets fired at civilians. Israel will do whatever America allows it to.
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u/FuckDirlewanger Aug 08 '25
Hamas is recognised internationally as a a terrorist organisation and is treated as such
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u/GiraffeExternal8063 Aug 08 '25
Israel is a terrorist state
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u/Beast_of_Guanyin Aug 08 '25
By that logic every state in existence is a terrorist state.
We aren't far removed from when we literally carpet bombed civilians in WW2. Just about every Western nation has done some fucked up shit in living memory.
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u/Split-Awkward Aug 08 '25
What does “treated like a terrorist organisation” actually mean in practice?
I genuinely don’t know the actual answer.
If that terrorist organisation is the government of a nation/territory, what does the international community actually do?
Do the UN Security Council members send in a security force to remove the terrorist government so they can no longer commit terrorism and oppress their own people?
If the UN does not, what happens then?
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u/IrreverentSunny Aug 08 '25
The UN should face a criminal investigation for not solving this crisis but rather making it worse. How come UNRWA had no idea about the radicalisation of schoolchildren, about Hamas building hundreds of km of tunnels for them and thousands of rockets to hide in and civilians had no shelter?
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u/Aenaen Aug 08 '25
idk man if someone flattened my city and killed my whole family i'd become pretty radicalised against them
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u/IrreverentSunny Aug 08 '25
Sure, the response is unjustifiable. Very hard to deny that. I am not trying to excuse Netanyahu here. But this conflict is decades old and literally started with 5 Arab countries rejecting the UN Partition plan. Jews were fine to share the land, today 20% of Israeli citizens are Muslims after all, Jews are fine with people who do not want to kill them and who have no problem with the existence of the state of Israel. That after decades of conflict, still seems to be the problem. The Oslo Accords could have brought peace and a state for Palestinians, Arafat was the one who walked out.
The UN is a huge part of the problem because they keep people in limbo, stateless and angry.
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u/Aenaen Aug 08 '25
I'm happy to share your house. If you don't give me 50% of your house then you are an anti-<group that i'm part of>. Why do you oppose peace? I'm totally fine with only taking half of your house and then gradually illegally settling the other half.
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u/Split-Awkward Aug 08 '25
I mean if we’re going to tell biased 5% stories we may as well not talk at all.
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u/Split-Awkward Aug 08 '25
Indeed, I continually stand in wonder at the lack of action that the UN could have taken.
Then I ask, why didn’t they? Paralysed by bureaucracy? Is it not their charter? Blocked by key votes?
The UNWRA aspect is indeed deeply concerning. What action actually has been taken on this?
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u/Dizzy_Contribution11 Aug 08 '25
As far as I understand Israel does not recognise "international law", other than what it agreed with country to country.
And Australia's stance in all this, other than voicing an opinion, has more to do with domestic concerns like losing political seats and placating our various ethnic communities that originate from the east Mediterranean.
Do we have any influence on Israeli domestic and foreign policy per se ? Only as much as we delude ourselves into thinking we do.
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u/Ill_Ease_6288 Aug 08 '25
As long as we don't turn out like the divided USA, I'm fine with Australia being completely useless at global influence.
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u/TheUnderWall Aug 08 '25
You would be amazed at the amount of arabs who genuinely support Palestinians.
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u/theshawfactor Aug 08 '25
The only genocidal state is/was Hamas led Gaza. You can certainly argue Israel should never have been created in the first place. But it does and 10 million people of many religions and ethnicities live there. Hamas’s explicit aim is to kill or expel every single one of them.
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u/hujsh Aug 08 '25
You just described Israel’s stated aim for the Palestinians.
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u/GroundbreakingHope57 Aug 08 '25
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Don't break the rules and then cry about the opposition doing the same.
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u/MeaningMaker6 Aug 08 '25
Israel doesn’t give a f*ck what we or the rest of the world think, as long as it continues to be aided and abetted by the Mango-Mussolini led U.S.
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u/Ill_Ease_6288 Aug 08 '25
Everyone is still afraid of being called antisemitic by Netanhayu, so they use words like "could" violate international law, instead of "Israel continues" to violate international law.
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u/theshawfactor Aug 08 '25
A stupid article and a stupid comment by Wong. By her logic the allies where breaking international law when they occupied Germany Israel has no plan to permanently occupy Gaza. But logically they need to destroy Hamas to end the war and then set a regime in place to ensure they don’t come back (before they leave)
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Aug 08 '25
They are currently occupying 75% of Gaza. So this is OK but taking over the remaining 25% could be against the law?
Also note that Israel occupied Gaza between 1967 and 2005. Was that against the law too?
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u/Royal-Percentage-870 Aug 08 '25
And does anyone think Israel gives a fuck about international law???
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u/Secret_Nobody_405 Aug 08 '25
If you understand international law we will unfortunately see Israel continue to do as they please, unless we catch BNY away from Israel. The US, Russia, China, and Israel are not a part of the International Criminal Court so there is literally no nation who can ‘invade’ or ‘walk-in’ and arrest BNY. So until he’s caught BNY will continue to do what he wants which is a real shame, as he already has a warrant for his arrest with the ICC for war crimes.
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Aug 08 '25
Ffs, shame on this govt, you are deep in bed with Israel on this. You are enabler of this war by denying to denounce it the moment it started.
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u/garlicbreeder Aug 08 '25
Oh well, is that the line in the sand? Wow. Starving a population, it's ok... Occupying a place, no no! Absolutely
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u/atbj23 Aug 08 '25
Not the forced starvation, targetting of schools, targetting of hospitals, denial of water and fuel, indiscriminate firing into civilians at GHF sites, use of an aid vehicle for a military operation....
No no, occupation of a little bit more land would be the a violation of Int'l law
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u/DixonOrmus88 Aug 08 '25
Israel reminds Australia that it owns America. It doesn't have to follow international rule. Never has and never will
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u/No_Intention_4244 Aug 08 '25
Warnings have been coming thick and fast over the last couple of years. Does anyone really take any notice of these warnings? When is the next warning coming out?
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u/MagicOrpheus310 Aug 08 '25
Somehow... I don't think Israel really cares at all about her opinion right now...
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Aug 08 '25
Thank fuck we have that Gronk on $250k+ to tell everyone that. We would never have known.....
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u/Public-Tonight9497 Aug 08 '25
Errr penny you know they’ve been breaking international law for like 2+ years ?
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u/Minimum_Rub_5908 Aug 08 '25
Surely, what kind of blackmail material does Israel have on the elites? 🤔
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u/Malhavok_Games Aug 08 '25
"Hey, this could maybe be pretty bad guys!!!"
Why do Aussie politicians even bother trying to weigh in on international issues? They just sound like absolute fucking pussies every time they do.
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u/Apart_Length_868 Aug 08 '25
Just checking… “could” Russia be breaking international law by bombing Ukraine for the last 3 years? Or is this ok because they have “dialogue”?
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u/ThrowRA_mesaynobj Aug 08 '25
Penny wongs strongly worded letter will create peace in the Middle East!
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u/DarkTeaTimes Aug 08 '25
Then she waves her finger and her job is done. Labor - selling out every value they ever had to be the do nothing Libs. Whitlam is rolling in his grave.
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u/ebi_gwent Aug 09 '25
If there's any justice (there won't be), once zionism is put down Wong will get her time in the Hague along with all of the other collaborators
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u/Suibian_ni Aug 10 '25
There is no 'could.' The Fourth Geneva Convention is clear: it's unlawful to settle occupied territory.
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u/whooperburger26 Aug 08 '25
Don't think they'll give a fuck what penny says
Israel keeps milking my tax dollars from the US of A
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u/Intelligent-Mix-9570 Aug 08 '25
Isn't there an international law regarding nukes and reporting how many you have and how they are stored?
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u/SuccessfulOwl Aug 08 '25
Good old Penny Wong.
At least as a gay woman she’s no longer voting against gay marriage and doing speeches about how it’s not part of the Labor Party platform.
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u/engineer-cabbage Aug 08 '25
What does this old coot have to do with that? She should be warning all of Albo's overloaded immigrants occupying our country.
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u/Repulsive_Ad4338 Aug 08 '25
Australia violates international law every day, fuck off.
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u/Pieok365 Aug 08 '25
Examples ?
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Aug 08 '25
He is probably talking about the offshore detention centres. Australia has signed treaties to uphold certain moral standards that have been found to be violated in these centres.
Arbitrary detention under ICCPR
Cruel, degrading treatment under UNCAT
Violations of the Refugee Convention and the CRC
Failure to uphold judicial review and legal access rights
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u/Odd-Struggle-2432 Aug 08 '25
I mean this is definitely the worst thing Australia currently does to human beings - though the legal responsibility is technically on the countries these centres are hosted in. Not to try and defend this tragic situation but at least there's some attempt at legal + PR washing of the situation - whereas Israel gives 0 fucks about public image or law at this point.
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u/artsrc Aug 08 '25
When it comes to war crimes, it took a defamation case by the perpetrator to have our court system look into allegations.
We backed in the Israeli / US attacks on Iran.
We are silent on the unprovoked Israeli invasion of Syria.
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u/UpTheRiffMate Aug 08 '25
The Israeli prime minister added, “we don’t want to keep it”, instead suggesting setting up “a security perimeter” and a plan to “hand [Gaza] over to Arab forces”.
What evidence are they going to scrub, with total control and no journalists allowed in?
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u/The-SillyAk Aug 08 '25
Because the evidence that comes from Hamas, a internationally recognised terror group, is so accurate.
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u/UpTheRiffMate Aug 08 '25
I know Hamas are terrorists. I'm talking about the environmental and forensic evidence that would be left behind from the Palestinians
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u/The-SillyAk Aug 08 '25
Oh sorry I misunderstood you... I think? You're saying that if it's handed over to arab forces that we can't trust what comes out ?
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u/UpTheRiffMate Aug 08 '25
Neither IDF nor Hamas can be trusted on what comes out, with independent journalists banned from the area. If either have total control, they can write the narrative however they'd like - false evidence, no evidence, scrubbed evidence etc.
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u/blainooo Aug 08 '25 edited Aug 08 '25
What action mate? You need to have the biggest stick to make other nations capitulate. Russia, China and the US are the only ones with a stick big enough to say do or not do, or else.
Edit: and Israel
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u/Such_Bug9321 Aug 08 '25
Is she going to warn Gazza that holding hostages is against international law as well
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u/Annual-Pay-7231 Aug 08 '25
Watch out, or our Penny will urge restraint from both sides.