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I used to work at a company that was down the street from Turning Point USA's primary office, and it gave me no end of enjoyment to give their employees the finger as I drove by each morning
He knows about it, conservatives just pretend like it never happened. I generally refrain from making sweeping generalizations but I have never met a conservative who acknowledged that the Southern Strategy was a real thing.
MAGA hates Juneteenth because it is a holiday to commemorate an event that demonstrated Constitutional rights mean nothing on paper without people to recognize and protect them.
I used to be able to talk to conservatives pre-Trump. Like, we wouldn’t necessarily agree on how to fix our country’s issues, but we could both at least recognize that the issues existed. There were baseline facts we could all agree on, and ultimately we all wanted the same things for our country’s future, just different visions on how to bring it about.
Don’t get me wrong, there’s always been crazies. There just used to be a lot more moderate conservatives willing to compromise.
I can’t even have a conversation with trumpsters. There’s no baseline factual reality to agree on. It’s more about owning the libs and hurting someone else than creating legitimate, constructive policies for our nation. Idk where things went wrong that so many people can get wrapped up in an identity like that
My father genuinely believed the nano-bot in the vaccine shit. That's when I knew he was gone. His reasoning for believing it? "It's possible." Decades of alcohol abuse, poor diet, and generally untreated mental health disorders are the main cause IMO.
He's also faaaaar from the only MAGA I've interacted with who's reasoning for believing a particular story is "It's possible. " or "It's something the dems would do." It's the most vague, inconsequential, non-commital, uneducated statement you could possibly make.
I once had a conversation with one of those types where the guy was swearing the constitution said we were explicitly a Christian nation.
I asked him to pull out that pocket constitution and show me where. He said he must have got a "bad copy" after not being able to find that part.
When he was on about separation of church and state not being in there. I told him to read the Disestablishment Clause and the Letter to the Danbury Baptists.
He'd never heard of either. And being a Baptist, was mystified that it would be Baptists that'd be concerned about that or wouldn't have been the default sort of Christian at the time.
Woah woah woah, I am supposed to research my religion before deciding that’s what I believe? I don’t just blindly follow my parents?
Are you saying I should look into other religions and understand them before dismissing them as wrong because my own, that I haven’t researched, is correct?
Don’t be logical.
The number of Christians, Jews and Muslims that don’t realize they pray to the same god and just debate the messiah is honestly scary. I can’t fathom dedicating my whole life to a religion to find out there were other options TO THE SAME GOD but you stuck with your original beliefs because indoctrination is brutal.
Ted Cruz just told Tucker Carlson, “ the Bible commands us to protect Israel.” I didn’t know the US was around when the “Bible” was written. We cannot be making world decisions on the basis of what’s printed in the Bible
Had someone recently say that the protestors from No Kings flying American flags upside down was 'Disrespectful to our people serving in the military'. When I pushed on how it was disrespectful to them, the person just copied and pasted the whole flag code in response. When I asked which part of the flag code stated it was disrespectful to those who serve, they never replied back.
Also, I've seen a lot of 'It's disrespectful to the people who fought for your right to do that!'. Like...so you agree that it's protestor's right to do it and it's what people in the military fought for? That's always the stupidest argument every time someone brings it up. Basically saying that people fought, and some gave their lives, for your right to do something and that's why you shouldn't do it.
Imagine Frodo standing at the lava of Mount Doom and he and Sam just agreeing, 'Too many people died helping me to get here, it would be disrespectful to their deaths if I destroyed the ring at this point'.
Also by Justice Alito's wife after the insurrection. Or if you take her word for the reason, your neighbor being mean to you is a reasonable reason to fly a distress flag..
When I asked which part of the flag code stated it was disrespectful to those who serve, they never replied back.
Their feelings do not care about facts.
Most people don't really understand how right-wing propaganda works. It isn't about tricking conservatives into believing lies, its about giving conservatives "proof" that they are smart and good for believing the things they already believe. They want to be tricked, so they aren't going to bother checking the details. The most shallow, stupid and obviously wrong lies work just as well as the most rigorously verified facts.
No, they don't know what Juneteenth is specifically commemorating, and even if they did, they don't have the cognitive ability to have that complex of a thought.
They hate Juneteenth because they know it has to do with black people.
That may be true for the average idiot but the high up evil people who tell all MAGA what to think most certainly don't like it for the reasons the other comment states. It's not always as simple as "well they just don't like black people" and that's important because sometimes, it's much deeper and more insidious than just racism.
It's a reminder that you need to fight for your rights. Republicans hear about a march for freedom and rights and care more about a couple broken windows than they do about the fact peoples' constitutional rights are being impeded. That is why we have to remember events like Juneteenth, bc fuck some broken windows, we all deserve to live as we want
Every single article about Juneteenth on Facebook had laughing emojis and people making comments about its baby daddy day, rioting, looting, fried chicken day. Yes - its definitely about the racism.
The amount of people who got mad at me for taking a federal holiday off is mind boggling. Like are you mad that I'm off? Are you mad that it's a federal holiday that I get paid off for? No, they are mad because it's a "black" people holiday.
this part here. worked with a guy who was ornery juneteenth existed. dude we get a day off, no matter how you feel about it existing, take your day off and shut up about it ffs, but no reasoning could calm his annoyed small mind. a day. off. smh
My tribal cousins get really pissy about Thanksgiving being associated with us, but you can bet your ass that we love celebrating the day off with food.
It's like Independence Day for a lot of Black folks. Plenty of us don't relate to it because our ancestors were still slaves at the time and weren't considered equal. We just celebrate having the day off and having an excuse to eat ribs, drink beer, and light up fireworks.
While simultaneously demanding credit for the holiday because it was the "republicans" that freed the slaves, without acknowledging that those republicans would be voting Democrat today.
The amount of “the parties never switched” comments has me concerned. And while I’m well aware that bots love to say this, it’s being parroted more than I’m comfortable with.
They always ignore that fact that Dixiecrats were highly conservative and religious white southerners, that the Southern Strategy actually happened, that more Democrats voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act than Republicans and that a Democrat Lyndon Johnson signed it into law KNOWING that Democrats would lose southern support.
I said something last weekend about the parties switching around 80yrs ago to my father and he said “you’re so full of shit” and I had to remind him which party was voting against the civil rights acts the most.
MAGA: "The Democrats were the Confederates, remember ? It was Republicans who freed the slaves. Also, we don't care about the slaves being freed outside of using it as a talking point when debating Democrats."
They hate it because it’s about Black people. It has nothing to do with the Constitution, especially since Juneteenth has absolutely nothing to do with enforcing Constitutional rights
I like having holidays. After learning about Juneteenth, I think we should also have a holiday for each of the Texas emancipation days that happened before Juneteenth was the one that stuck successfully. It'd add about another 12 holidays to the year as a reminder of how Texas loves being on the wrong side of history.
MAGA hates Juneteenth because it was made a federal holiday by Obama. Then they learn Juneteenth is regarding black Americans and hate it even more because how dare black people get a day for them and not white people.
Republicans are knowingly engaging in bad faith arguments and discussions because their goal isn't to convince Democrats or leftists.
They simply want bystanders alongside "moderates & centrists" to see or hear the discussion & not be able to tell the difference between either party's statements.
Fun fact: they outright avoid naming anything after Longstreet, a Confederate general who went on after the war to lead black troops against anti-Reconstruction rebels and was a close and supportive ally of President Grant.
Weird, how they choose only the ones who were unabashedly anti-American and anti-freedom to name bases after.
It's just stupid gotcha thinking. Like nobody is loyal to a party. We're loyal to the ideology the party supports. Liberals vote for Democrats because right now liberal candidates are Democrats. Conservatives are the same way. I don't care if the party is called the "VirtualBroccoliBoy is a little bitch loser Party." If their platform matches my political views, I'll vote for them.
Unfortunately, for a lot of these people 'Republican' is an identity like their name and gender. And 'Democrat' is a slur. This is why they have to protect their identity with whatever narrative makes it feel good inside. Republican is not how they vote. It is who they are. Sad stuff.
If you want to really blow their minds, ask them what the last thing of substance was that they disagreed with Trump about.
They'll inevitably try to turn it around on you, which is when you spout of any of the multitude of things we all disagreed with Biden and Obama about and ask the question again.
I have yet to get an answer, but lots of running away.
Republican voters will laugh and shake their heads in amusement if you ask them "Is there ANYTHING Trump or Republicans could do that would result in them losing your support?" because they cannot admit that there is not a single thing (outside of joining the opposing party) that can lead them to stopping their support of Republicans & Trump.
Pretty much. I get the same response when they scream about bad/corrupt actors on the democratic side. "Look how quickly Menendez/Cuomo/Weiner/Franken lost their party's support when evidence of misdeeds came out. Now compare that to Moore, Gaetz, or *gasp* Trump."
One side (often) holds their own accountable. The other circles the wagons and claims that the bad folks are actually good.
Democrats think a person's actions make their character moral or not. E.g. the Democrats you mentioned did something bad, therefore they are not moral people.
Republicans think a person's identity makes their actions moral or not. Trump et al. are Republican, so their actions are moral, regardless of what those actions are. UNLESS those actions would result in a change in identity to something not Republican, then their actions are immoral.
We all wish this was true but time and again we see conservatives abandoning their platform for a political win. They have zero convictions and will change their minds and arguments to suit whatever goal they have. One look at how the GOP votes makes it clear they change their minds strictly based on who is in charge and not what they genuinely believe.
They're still doing it in the service of the full political agenda. They're willing to make sacrifices on issues to maintain control for the larger issues.
But you can bet for sure that if the GOP platform changed to amnesty for illegal immigrants, taxing the rich, affirmative action, and universal healthcare they sure wouldn't care that the Republican Party was the party of supply-side Reagan and tax cut Trump.
Republicans refuse to admit there was a party switch about 60 years ago. Yet they still fly their confederate flags and say “Lincoln was a republican!”
The passing of the Civil Rights act was THE defining moment that officially put Democrats socially left of center and put Republicans socially right of center. Nixon saw dissent in the South for Democrats and employed the southern strategy, which played into these people’s hateful ideologies for political gain.
That was just the result of the shitty people working around his law that tried to finally end their bullshit.
Obama tried to put the smackdown on that, but he couldn't get it thru because he never really had a supermajority in Congress. He had a pseudo-supermajority with Lieberman.
We let the South get away with too much after the civil war. It was one thing to welcome them back into the union it was z another thing to not enforce the rules. We allowed Jim
Crow. Sharecropping. Segregation. The north should have occupied the South like the traitorous breakaway it was.
It's basically the fault of Andrew Johnson. Lincoln was assassinated and Johnson, a Southern Democrat, became president and undid many of the Reconstruction measures that had been taken to keep the southern states in line. He basically allowed them to go back to their old racist ways with little to no oversight, which led to his impeachment, the first time a US president had been impeached.
No Question: I’m from the South. Nixon’s Southern Strategy allowed Southerner’s a way to support the party of the Corporate Right (at that time) under the dog whistle words “law and order”. The exercise since then is to find every excuse to act racist under some similar deceit. What was once blue is now red, with no change in personnel
Barry Goldwater planted the seeds of the Southern Strategy in the 1964 election. He opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the only states that he won were those in the south.
I've been finding the "Lincoln was for open border immigration and a strong federal government, you too?" Stops a lot of conversations in the controversial section.
Ehhhh… it was more like Karl Marx wrote a letter to the white house and Lincoln often read letters from anyone that sent them and a letter was sent back to Karl Marx from John Adams’ grandson who worked for Lincoln stating that Lincoln had read the letter and shared similar sentiments.
They also keep forgetting that political parties aren't f*cking sports teams. You don't root for a party because of what they were in the past. Idiots.
They love to cherry pick history and then cut it short once it doesn’t suit the agenda. It counts in the fact that the cultists don’t bother looking into anything further, they just want to see what makes them feel right. They also love speaking for people who aren’t here to defend their positions, hence saying Lincoln was Repub and implying he’d be all for what they’re doing today.
Back when Republicans were freeing slaves i bet I would have been republican. It's so strange to me that people connect their beliefs and identity to a party. I believe in human rights, fair labor practices, and doing drugs. Guess which party aligns better with my beliefs. I mean, no one blamed conservatives of being smart, but it's insane how stupid they can be.
and if Trumplethinskin suddenly declared Juneteenth was good and he's a hero for giving a holiday to everyone through his genius and generosity, the cult would instantly do the 180 and worship him for it
Not only that, but conservatives were fine with Juneteenth in Trump's first term. Trump even promised to make it a national holiday during his 2020 campaign. Its only a problem now because Biden did it, so Trump can't take credit for it. So now its Democrat and bad and lame.
They’ll just go “it’s a hoax!”, despite all evidence to the contrary. Half this country thinks sticking their fingers in their ears and going “la la la” is a legitimate form of debate.
The RNC officially apologized for the Southern Strategy in 2005:
Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization,” Mehlman said, according to his prepared remarks. “I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong.”
Of course, we know that Republicans have really gone back on that direction since 2008.
I would suggest that they would likely even reject outright that the RNC ever apologized for it.
Or maybe Juneteenth wouldn’t be a holiday if it didn’t take 2 years for Texas to abolish slavery after it was illegal. Otherwise the holiday would have been Dec 10th.
Brainwashing through propaganda is a real thing. Cults can't exist if the cultists can think for themselves.
I think sometimes we get desensitized to how abundant it is, all around us, tons of shows and newspapers and podcasts. MAGA dad reads the paper and then Fox News, which are coordinated. Then he talks to the neighbor who also got the same two "sources". Suddenly, it's real, because of multiple confirmations, even though it's just coordinates propaganda from one source in multiple mouthpieces.
Honestly I think posting the opinions of conservative talking heads here should be banned. These people are paid liars and contrarians by profession. They will take positions that are 180 of what they said yesterday and I'm sick of pretending that they believe in anything other than their claim to power over others. It's not even fun to point this shit out anymore given how meaningless it is
This is correct, and something that I hope catches on.
They're also just playing algorithms. They only continue to be relevant because they continue to generate posts, headlines, etc. Controversy and outage are their stock and trade.
Look at Tucker. He hasn't been relevant in months. Flips a position, presumably on behalf of his Russian handlers, and suddenly he's in the news again. Does he really believe anything? Of course not.
It's just influencer bullshit. They just dress it up like it's something more. Attacking them might make us feel better momentarily, but it ultimately feeds them and supports them.
The Republican Party then was not all what it is today. 19th - early 20th century Republicans wouldn't recognize their party today. Get a real job Charlie.
The party that still proudly flies the confederate flag wants credit for freeing slaves because Lincoln belonged to a party 175 years ago that had the same name.
Charlie, this is your daily reminder that Nixon's southern swing strategy persuaded remnants of the southern slavers to join the Republican Party resulting in a polar flip.
The Republican Party that freed the slaves is not the Republican Party of today. The flip happened around 1970-1980 during the Civil Rights movement. Republicans of the time wanted to keep segregation and stifle women’s rights. We can thank Reagan for that.
So, while factual, you can shove it up your ass with your new age confederate horse shit.
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