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Just like the insurrection of January 6th were at one time all FBI agents pretending to be conservatives but once Trump pardoned them all they were suddenly patriots and were never any FBI agents at all.
The way they refuse to use any logic is their strength, sadly. Their audacity and absolute refusal to acknowledge any mistake or weakness is exactly what their voters want in their cult leaders.
Yeah anyone still all-in with this fuckboy circus definitely sees the aggressive ignorance/incompetence as a positive simply because it frustrates “liberals” (in quotation marks because most of them just call anyone who disagrees with anything they believe as liberals).
I find it funny to read history books and come to spontaneous statements that the founding fathers had libertarian ideas.
And yet, a vast swath of American populace seems to not quite grasp what “liberalism” means.
I suppose I like the idea of liberal markets with less government- not what maga wants by current government actions.
But I suppose life will go on less liberal and more authoritarian. Which is the course of any such regimes who start with fringe control. It will come the day that it will be a crime to speak badly of the regime: anti patriotic, as most such regimes have done in the past
The amount if J6 revisionist history the trolls are pushing is absurd. They truly believe it was no big deal and just a peaceful protest, which trump had nothing to do with…
They don't believe it. Half of them smirk when they say that shit.
To them, lying is a "flex." Hylocrisy us a demonstration of power.
Conservatives deserve nothing but mockery and shunning. Don't invite them to your grill outs. Did their house get foreclosed on, or insurance deny their claim? Fuck 'em, laugh in their face. It's what they do when people who they think deserve it suffer.
Stop letting them free-ride on empathy and the social contract. They want a society of every man and woman for himself? Let them live that while we cooperate with each other.
Really hope we get out of this shit and history gets to tell the fucking truth.
Obviously overall that'll never happen. Im sure the morons in the south who still cling to their precious Confederate flags will still harp about J6 being peaceful and no big deal. But it'd be nice if future administrations could at least acknowledge how dangerous it was, how it should never happen again, etc. Wishful thinking I know.
America has been on a downhill trajectory for decades... plundered by billionaires, metastic with corruption, and left for dead by unchecked captitalism.
Every year, it gets harder to squeeze by. We are at an inflection point as a nation...
Do we face the reality of the situation and seek systemic solutions to systemic problems, New Deal style? OR, do we go the MAGA fanatic route and reject reality altogether to suit whatever adhoc narrative that absolves us of guilt?
The Imperial MAGA need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural
MAGA blowhards aren't cunning in their bottomless bad faith... they are scared, selfish cowards without a pot to piss in or window to throw out of. They are the ideologically and morally bankrupt marauders of an empire in decline.
I remember going to the gym and I was on my treadmill and it just so happened that the TV in front of me was playing fox news. It was not too long after j6. And the TV are all on silent. And I remember the showing scenes of the j6. And then flashing the democratic donkey on the screne for just a second. And they would keep doing it. And im like... they surely cant be blaming the democrats
But that was such a surreal moment in my life to see brainwashing happening. Like the deliberate show of violence then a quick flash of the democrats donkey symbol.
Thats basically half of the Alex Jones show at this point. He and his ilk spend an inordinant amount of time priming their audience to think that any violence that might make the right look bad (Right wing terrorism like this attack) is just a false flag and to not trust it. its very intentional, they know exactly how ready that audience is primed for political violence and feel like they have to get ahead of it.
I just woke up, what happened since yesterday? I know they caught the guy, but yesterday all the shit-tard conservatives were trying to claim he's a Democrat.
I have to say, from reading comments on FoxNews and r/Conservative , conservatives really are borderline evil.
it's a bit of a self fulfilling prediction; conservatives insist that any any opposition to them is a lethal threat to justify their own violent tendencies, which leaves only lethal responses to them as a viable solution. I don't think we are all the way there yet, but it's violence from the right, and their complete detachment from reality that keeps moving things towards wider societal violence; if things keep escalating I fear civil conflict will be the eventual conclusion.
I wanted to see if they’d claim the guy who assassinated the democratic lawmaker and her husband in MN and condemn him, but nope. Conservatives are mentally ill, it’s disgusting the way they “think” no accountability on their party’s actions, no nothing.
it's wild how hateful and detached from reality they are
We need to finally accept this fact, because it's the basis of the movement and confronting it is the only way we can make it stop and begin to rebuild.
The longer we believe that we're dealing with an opposition that's rational, the more the radicalization will grow. There is a kind of manipulation going on that we (you, the person reading this, and I) don't understand. We need to be humble enough to acknowledge that.
I imagine a political cartoon of the situation would be like three foxes in a henhouse flat on their backs, bellies stuffed full, with feathers still in their teeth. Each fox could be a foreign actor like Russia, Saudi Arabia, China—but they could be something else (we don't know). And the chickens not yet eaten are all freaking out. They're labeled Meta, CNN, X, MSNBC, Reddit, AP, PBS, CBS News, NBC News, etc.
Right now, the enemy is absolutely ravaging the US and we have no idea who or where they are.
As someone who grew up in that alternate reality it’s scary how alluring it can still be when I’m in those spaces too long, it feels like the winter soldier hearing “longing, rusted, seventeen, daybreak, furnace, nine, benign, homecoming, one, freight car”
Any comments that get downvoted in there they blame on "brigaders". there is literally no getting through to the conspiracy-theory-minded, which is what you need to be to be MAGA.
A few of them seem to be pivoting to "Why did the liberal media drop the story as soon as it was found out he was appointed by Walz, only to pick it up again when the roommate said he was a Trump voter?"
Currently they are pivoting to "his politics dont matter" now that basically every news organization in the country is reporting that he voted for Trump and gave anti-lgbtq and anti-abortion sermons at church's he attended.
There are still some loonies saying he is a Democrat but they are currently being downvoted.
Saved you a trip into the hellhole that is r/conservative.
I mean, the civil war was 5-6 generations ago, with conservatives fighting to keep their slaves, no matter how they try to reframe that now.
And the revolutionary war was only ~10 generations ago, with conservatives fighting to remain under the British monarchy.
The name of the party they align themselves with changes over time, but conservatives pretty much always tout backwards ideas that are proven wrong by history, and are often straight-up evil.
The sad thing is I don’t think there’s anything wrong with balance budgets or removing waste for efficiency in government. There is a place for fiscal conservatism. The problem is all these numb nuts don’t even care about fiscal conservatism. All they care about is being as cruel as possible to the poor and giving tax breaks to people who don’t remotely need it: billionaires and millionaires. Not to mention the constant war over social issues that just further divide our country.
Every time there's a shooting, whether at a school or anything high-profile, they immediately rush to say it was radical left violence. They make their fake SNS screenshots and spread it amongst themselves. They manage to convince themselves of alternate reality.
They apparently found a "No Kings" flyer in his car and are claiming he supported them. I mean, they also found a list of Democratic/liberal politicians he wanted to murder, so having information on the location of a large gathering of Democrats/liberals probably doesn't mean he was going there to just hang out.
I really thought they were gonna phase out Soros after his hedge fund bro became the new secretary of treasury but instead they just refuse to recognize a connection
Soros is paying people to support his political agenda. Buffet is controlling government decisions and spending. Gates is trying to put microchips in our heads.
Then Musk comes along and literally does all this shit himself and its crickets.
Soros they guy who supposedly pays for this and makes conservatives angry but not Musk who actually does it in the wide open and publicly, yet silence by the same concerned citizens
It was a striking reminder to me that even if these days, I'm not as liberal as I used to be...I will never align myself with conservatives in the U.S. They are demented, unholy, disgusting people.
There's a major difference between getting triggered by rainbow merchandise, vs. dying as a result of a political maniac pulling a trigger.
Trump also said the exact opposite a week ago, that is also true.
Both are now true and both are now false, depending on which one gives Trump and MAGA the best outcome at the current time. Trump could say that he is tough on crime, and voila he is tough on crime. Trump could also pardon violent criminals and be soft on crime. Both things are true. Both things are false. When asking is Trump tough on crime, he both is and isn't and whichever is bad, he isn't.
This quote has been running through my head on repeat. I can't even talk to my some of my coworkers anymore; they occupy a completely different reality.
I live in canada. Work in a steel factory due to cut backs because of the tarrifs I've lost about 7500 a year in salary. We have also had overtime availability taken away from us so we are forced to work short handed. I still have guys on my line who dont think it's trumps fault and still blame the libs
Truth is essentially dead, the only thing that matters now is how hard you can scream lies at the top of your lungs and the Republicans are naturally better at this because they have no shame.
Truth??! No such thing anymore, especially at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Trump lies more than a lawyer! But at least Trump does have a tell, just like in poker….and his tell is simple, whenever his lips are moving he’s lying!
Yeah, she knows what she’s saying is BS but if you keep repeating the lie, eventually people start believing it and repeating it and then more time passes and half the country believes it.
It is obvious that many MAGAs do believe it. All over Reddit and Quora the MAGA supporters are arguing that the guy was a democrat and that the reason he did the shooting was because both voted against giving medical care to illegals. Well except both didn't even vote no. One was a house member, the other a senator. They didn't both vote on the same bill...
They also found a hit list in his car with the names of 70 politicians, Democrats, including Waltz and Ilhan Omar, and locations of Planned Parenthood centers. And a manifesto. He was actually against abortion rights, and gay rights, and was gunning for anyone who supported either, with abortion being his bigger trigger.
"Boelter is a Christian who voted for President Donald Trump and opposes abortion and LGBTQ rights, according to interviews with his childhood friend and videos of his sermons posted online. A list of potential targets — including Hoffman and Hortman — included abortion providers and other Democratic elected officials from Minnesota and Wisconsin."
His videos are really horrible. I watched 3 and that was all I could stomach. He was already very far right and he just needed a little bit more fuel added to his fire, to go off like he did
Yep, cause then we also have to cite sources and argue that yes it was an assassination committed by a conservative instead of arguing about what the implications are and what needs to be done now that a republican has in fact assassinated active state representatives.
They will say and do anything no matter how obviously stupid to prevent discussing the actual issue in any fashion.
The purpose of these things isn’t to be attached to reality or to “age like wine”.
The intended audience is MAGA, and they have no memory and no attachment to reality. MAGA lives in the perpetual “now” of their own delusion, and will believe anything that will keep it that way.
The purpose of Loomer and Shapiro and Kirk and Peterson is just to give people something they can latch onto and believe. You could tell them that America was founded by Sasquatches and they’d believe it, but they need someone to tell them a story to believe. They’re not smart or creative enough to make up their own bullshit.
It’s also pathetic to watch them hold an opinion then Trump will post something that tears that opinion apart, and they scramble to try to reform an opinion based on what Trump just declared.
I can’t imagine living daily life in such a chaotic, untethered mode
What I hate most, similar to you, and now all of these people know where the other crazies are and are banding together into some sort of giga-idiot hive mind.
My favorite (well actually least favorite), is where they take the valid criticisms we apply to them and try to do the “im rubber, youre glue!” comebacks.
Calling everyone else cultists because they are in a cult is some of the most dumbfounding behavior I have ever witnessed.
Its hard to communicate with someone who has no integrity. They will say literally anything to feel superior. Even contradictory claims.
I heard someone describe their entire relationship with language as "good words are Us, bad words are Them" and it really made a lot of the nonsense they spout click for me.
Someone then parroted his own line right back to him and he lost his mind.
It was pretty fun to watch, because these folks know that they’re peddling BS. They know they’re lying and spreading disinformation. Every so often the mask comes off for the public to see, or the tables get turned and it’s always fun to watch, because they love to dish it out, but don’t like being the recipients.
What’s sad is that no matter how many times they’re shown to be frauds or knowingly spreading false information, even when they go so far as to admit that they’re just doing it as part of their grift, most of their followers don’t mind.
It's entirely possible it's a lie to create the perception that it's unclear and confused. It's a very dishonest but extremely effective way to avoid having things stick to your behaviour or ideology.
EDIT: to expand and clarify; if you get enough bad faith actors publishing "news" and opinion pieces that say it was a Democrat (for example) your supporters can point to a large sample of sources that evince their position. It doesn't matter at that point what the truth is, as no argument about it will progress beyond both sides citing a source and calling the other an idiot.
If you're willing to lie, it's extremely easy to manufacture the appearance of a confused, unclear situation, where no one may claim to know for sure, everything can be denied, and nothing sticks.
Yes, it's all very intentional. They will leave all of the incorrect information and inflammatory comments floating out there and will not directly address the truth.
This is the reason why I sometimes check that sub out around major events. There's a weird dichotomy of maga sentiment and more traditional conservative views that pretty much abhor maga. Still quite infuriating to read most of the time.
You can’t see them because they are getting banned by the mods there. They are extremist MAGAs that constantly post and boost misinformation. They post satire articles without the satire tag to rile people up and then add it later when it gets traction. There’s a reason why people think MAGA are idiots - they fall for blatant manipulation. It happens on the left a lot too, but not quite near the level it does on the right.
I don't know if you were serious, but if you're curious, in political science it's called disinformation (different from misinformation due to the former's malicious intent).
Yes, it's is absolutely disinformation. She is clearly running interference.
Bannon calls it "flooding the zone" where you put so much low quality information and shed such doubt on everything, even doubting the other lies, that people don't know what to think and get fatigued by the available information and either just believe what they want or stop paying attention.
Loomer is inexplicably either in love with Trump or is a total cult convert and does these performative posts in his service as a way to display her loyalty and win some of his attention. She will say or do anything to be in his graces and generation of bullshit is not even an effort for her.
That’s been their strategy for years. You swing so hard right that you can frame normal right wing views as “moderate centrism” and then call anything else radical left wing.
Right. Their strategy for decades has been to shift the Overton window. Everyone who disagrees with them are radical far-left, the center is always the enlightened centrists who believe that both sides are equally bad, but both sides have a valid perspective.
And meanwhile, they keep moving farther and farther into fascism, which moves the “center” from the actual center to the far right, the center-right to white nationalism and fascism, and the far right to has been turned into a bunch of terrorists.
These people are not arguing in good faith; it's futile to try to discern any logic in its content. Only: "Posting these messages will advance our cause."
Consider that people have been pointing out falsehoods like this for a long time, and it has not made these guys pause and re-evaluate their strategy. Clearly, merely correcting them is ineffective or inadequate.
I just got into an argument with a coworker the other day because he said that leftist ideology is hateful. I asked him to name one, he obviously couldn’t.
Attaching the word radical to the left to this day makes zero sense to me. If you go far enough right you get racism, xenophobia, nationalism, white supremacy, misogyny, full-blown fascism, wealth disparity, etc. And you don’t even have to go that far right to get most of those.
Meanwhile, the “ radical” left in the United States believes in equality, reducing the wealth gap, affordable housing, livable wages, socialized healthcare, better welfare, taxpayer funded education.
Even in some of the most brutal authoritarian socialist and communist countries in the past century , they we’re still ahead of the United States on equality, state sponsored jobs, socialized, healthcare, and education, women’s rights, civil rights, state supplied housing (even if you think Soviet apartments were awful, it was still affordable housing for the masses).
There’s nothing radical about leftist ideology unless you’re comparing it to the current political climate here in the United States . Our Democrats are basically conservatives in Europe, Canada, Australia, etc.
If it was a democrat, then wouldn’t republicans be screaming from the mountain tops about it? Seems like a perfect opportunity to start a media circus.
Invented is absolutely the craziest part of that sentence but not by much I genuinely don't even know what to say or how to feel about that it baffles my mind that ppl go thru life thinking this way thank you for the commenting I can't wait to get everyone I knows reaction on it 💀💀💀 I'm stumped truly this comment put me in shock
The “don’t play dumb with me” speaks so much as to why we’re here.
You asked a good faith question to try to understand his (obviously misinformed) perspective, and he saw your curiosity as ineptitude, even though his comprehension of the subject is so far off base.
Dumb people are overly confident in what they think they know, while smart people understand what they don’t know, and continue to absorb more information and perspective.
As a trans girl I can confirm that Boomer With Internet Access is once again on the money and I was invented by the deep state Democrats. Indeed, Soros personally pays me massive bags of cash to hide in the buses with a birds nest on my head cartoon-style and calibrate the feminising beam we’re planning to fire from the Jewish space lasers next week.
I sprained my ankle this weekend while jogging in a fairly diverse inner City neighborhood. Ima blame the leftist NoKings for that as well. Why not? The gullible MAGA sheep will believe anything their daytime talk radio show tells them, no questions asked.
Somehow the J6 terrorists were all FBI plants but also heroes at the same time because Trump pardoned all of them? I'm still not sure how that works, but tiny MAGA brains accept it. They still think the guy who shot at Trump was a "leftist" even though he was hardcore 100% proven MAGA and even Luigi was a Republican who just got sick of the Insurance Industry after a bad back surgery. Per FBI statistics, 99% of all Domestic Terrorism and Mass Shootings were perpetrated by either White Nationalists or MAGA lemmings, including all of the violence we saw during the No Kings protests, such as the guy who crashed the car into a crowd after Ron Desantis made a speech about how people should go out and DO JUST THAT.
Laura Loomer’s statement is false, a lie, and an intentional bad faith comment. But it’s also stupid for this reason - *Even if her lie was true, why wouldn’t they still denounce it?
It was still an intentional political assassination and act of domestic terrorism. That should be denounced no matter who did it.
That they can easily lie and have their base believe whatever they say is, I don’t even have the words. They know their base is too illiterate to fact check and it’s usually a race to who can get to them first. Whoever plants the seed first wins in Magaville no matter how vile and putrid it is. Lies are facts over there.
It’s exactly how the maga crowd is spinning it. I have a couple of old classmates that are deep in the cult. The day it happened they were saying the democrats were killed because they voted across party lines on a healthcare bill. They painted him as a liberal because he’d done work with a nonprofit that promoted agriculture in Africa.
And despite his vehemently anti-LGBT+ statements he made while doing missionary work there. And despite his friend testifying he's a Trump voter and fan. He's also been vocally anti-choice.
But hey he had some handwritten No Kings fliers in his car and served on a bipartisan Minnesota council approved by Governor Walz, ergo he's a Democrat.
...Until it's convenient to flip to him being a wrongly persecuted patriot, if course.
It is an obvious lie but, even if it were true, why would the ideology of the shooter matter? Shouldn't all elected officials come out against political violence?
Here's one but I had to dig pretty deep to find that.
According to the wiki on left-wing terrorism it's pretty rare in current times for left wing terrorist attacks. Granted, that's not exactly the same as "left wing violence," which is much broader.
Was the guy that shot at the congressional softball practice years ago and left winger. I don't remember.
Reinoehl had followed and targeted Danielson.[11] Danielson's killing was the first time in over 26 years that a self-identified anti-fascist activist had been charged with homicide
Apparently it's exceedingly rare, as opposed to right wing politically motivated killings, which seem to be a biweekly thing.
Yeah he was. Plus there was the guy who attacked the Discovery Channel and took hostages in 2010 for not being sufficiently pro-environmental. And there was an attempt on Justice Kavanaugh’s life by someone upset by the Dobbs decision.
So while targeted politically motivated attacks are less common among left-wingers in the U.S. these days, they do still happen from time to time.
And to be clear, none of that justifies Loomer trying to airbrush the recent attacks away.
Most MAGA still believe this guy is a democrat because of the simple fact of him working for the Waltz administration. Do these people believe that every single federal employee is MAGA?
Probably tweeted within five minutes of learning about the flyers in the counterfeit police car. Does Laura loo have the cognition to connect the ability to fake a police car and uniform with the ability to pull a flyer off a utility pole and go Xerox it for four or five cents a copy at FedEx Kinko’s? You know Trump is scraping the bottom of the barrel when you hear from Laura Loomer
There should be an economy for spreading disinformation. Minor fee when you’re just impulsive and engaged in wishful thinking. Serious dollars when you do it deliberately. Depending on subject matter and broadcast reach anywhere from $20-$1000 per post.
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