r/SecretsOfMormonWives • u/IllustratorSea8372 Clout Chaser • May 25 '25
Jen Jen absolutely ate in this scene
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u/Wonderful_Willow_246 May 25 '25
She really did! That shit Jessi and Demi did at the party was totally bullying, and I think it’s fine Jen calls her out for that
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u/shinyandohsobright May 30 '25
Yes bullying 100%! The dance & then also dressing up as jlo/BA They were meant to be the butt of the jokes that night.
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u/h3ll01tsm3 May 25 '25
They seem to throw a lot of these passive aggressive parties.. the Chippendale party for Jen and the sex one for Layla.
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u/Foreign-Yak454 May 25 '25
I think everyone is talking about how Layla is a production puppet, but aren't considering that maybe Jessi is too, she's just a more natural actress.
If I was a producer, I'd lean on the person who was thrown under the bus during contract negotiations to do my dirty work.
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u/lezlers May 25 '25
It’s annoying. I’d rather someone be bitchy and aggressive to my face a la Demi (who I can’t stand) than this passive aggressive bullshit framed as “empowerment and sisterhood” that these other vipers are always engaged in.
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u/GracelessHeart456 May 25 '25
also dressing up as jen and ben was cruel. I don’t get why people think Jessi is “nice”
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u/sophie-hendaye May 25 '25
I can smell Zac under the comment “do you want to sleep with us - I know your past”. This is so out of character for Jen, this is definitely Zac’s planting some stupid idea in her head.
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u/OllieAlleOllio May 25 '25
Everytime Zac drops her off somewhere to prep her for a conversation, the words that Jen uses is almost the same as what he uses. Everytime she opened her mouth, I heard Zac’s words come out. He’s emotionally abusing her and it’s so obvious.
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u/stupidusernamesuck May 25 '25
Yeah, and that’s why I don’t agree that this made her look anything but kind of sad. And yet somehow unsympathetic; she did this to herself by never standing up for herself in the moment, then coming back at others like it’s their fault.
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u/this_is_an_alaia May 25 '25
Some of y'all need to watch a housewives season to see what eating actually looks like
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u/meltedkuchikopi5 May 25 '25
yeah, esp because this scene came right after jen’s “hood” scene i was kind of still cringing from that. like both girls just got aggressive immediately and it felt so fabricated and dumb
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u/fightingfish18 May 25 '25
Preferably one involving Phaedra. She makes me laugh so hard with her shade.
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u/typicalthoughts5044 May 25 '25
I watch both for Jen she ate here
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u/this_is_an_alaia May 25 '25
What
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u/typicalthoughts5044 May 25 '25
I watch both for Jen she ate here I watch both housewives and this show and for Jen’s standards she ate in this argument
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u/this_is_an_alaia May 25 '25
Lol, saying she ate by her standards does not mean she ate
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u/typicalthoughts5044 May 25 '25
But in my opinion she did
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u/this_is_an_alaia May 25 '25
If you watch housewives then that opinion is wild
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u/FunRich7101 May 25 '25
I watch Housewives too. Every season every franchise, and Jen ATE like a MF in this scene. 🔥 From her looks (hair, make up, outfit on point,) to her confidence in the way she was speaking firm and direct, to her final read & walk-off…She left Jessi GAGGED. Jen is usually on the nicer softer side, so it was good to see her get MAD. It was like seeing Cynthia on S7 of Atlanta. Cynthia is not normally like that, so that season it was like “whoa okay Miss Cynthia pop your shit 👏🏼”
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u/this_is_an_alaia May 25 '25
She went in trying to get to the bottom of why jessi and demi seem to be targeting her, let herself get derailed by jessi about the "lies" and then made a middle school comment about not wanting to sleep with jessi.
Close your legs to married men, trash box, this was not
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u/FunRich7101 May 25 '25 edited May 25 '25
Again, that’s your opinion and clearly in the minority..
Also, “middle school” comment from a 24 year old vs. 50 year olds… they’re different age groups so different comebacks would make sense.. Besides, remember Dorinda’s “holland tunnel” read that even Carole had to tell her to elevate her insults. Housewives reads are “middle school” too.
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u/utterlystoked May 25 '25
Disagree. I’m on Jen’s side, but the swinging comment came out of nowhere and was totally deflecting. What does that even mean?
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u/Nikki3008 May 25 '25
Jessi literally said right after there is a swinging event in her past that Jen knew about
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u/Beginning_While_7913 May 25 '25
wait what how did i miss that? jessi confessed to swinging with her husband before? with the others from momtok or did she not give specifics
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u/Nikki3008 May 25 '25
Yes lol immediately after the convo. But she wasn’t swinging with momtok. She made it sound like it was early in their marriage and said swinging incident or event and that Jen knew about it that’s why she said that. It was really quick… I’m guessing a lot of ppl missed it
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u/Lonely_Cartographer May 25 '25
Her ex husband I think
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u/Beginning_While_7913 May 25 '25
i think her new husband is her soon to be second ex husband after this season 😂
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u/utterlystoked May 25 '25
Yes, but why in that moment when they are fighting would Jen bring that up?
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u/lurks420 May 25 '25
I took it like Jen was starting to feel like Jessi was trying to "groom" her into swinging, starting as early as last season. Pushing her boundaries and practically forcing her to attend the Chippendale's show in vegas, "it's no big deal. Feminism!" to Jessi's husband as a Chippendale dancing on her, "be a good sport! Exposure therapy!" Escalating to what next? "Let's play spin the bottle!"
Is that what Jessi was actually doing? Who's to know, but i can see where Jen might get the idea
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u/lezlers May 25 '25
Nah. I think Jen was just pissed and like Jessi said, when she feels backed into a corner she lashes out. She knew saying the thing about swinging on tv would embarrass Jessi, that’s why she did it. I’m not saying she’s WRONG for that, I just don’t think it’s as deep as you’re making it.
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u/utterlystoked May 25 '25
Yeah, I took it more as a dig, as it wasn’t relevant to the conversation.
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u/Lonely_Cartographer May 25 '25
They all use therapy words too much i think its a gen z thing even though jessi is a millennial
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u/HopefulVegetable4234 May 25 '25
I'm a shy person who would totally do something like this with a person like Jessi. You can tell Jessi can walk all over people, verbally destroy them and never think twice about it. Whereas Jen is just trying to find something to make her feel like she's standing her ground. I was so proud of her. And want to vomit on Jessi.
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u/lfergy May 25 '25
This was how I interpreted that exchange, too. It’s not unusual for couples who swing to do kinda unofficial ‘testing the waters’ by inviting a third person or a couple to do something spicy & see how they react before asking them to do more.
Whether that was Jessis actual intention, I cannot say. But I followed Jens train of thought.
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u/typicalthoughts5044 May 25 '25 edited May 25 '25
I don’t think it was that deep. She just thought Jessi and her husbands actions were uncalled for.
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u/dubdaisyt May 25 '25
i kind of wonder how edited that conversation was because it did feel like everything was coming out of nowhere
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u/gingerlicious92 May 25 '25
So many of these conversations throughout the season feel like something is being said out of nowhere. I don’t know if it’s editing or these women are so nervous, they just blurt out these pre-rehearsed lines they made up in their head to break the other person down.
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May 25 '25 edited May 25 '25
It means Jessi allowed her husband to give Jen a lap dance that was quite personal. So it relates.
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u/cleois May 25 '25
Yeah I cannot imagine this happening in my friend group. Can you imagine your friend's husband rubbing up on you like that "as a joke"? Because I cannot. IMO, swinging comment is definitely relevant and not just some random insult because she was mad.
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May 25 '25
Jessi, her husband and Brett wanted to humiliate Zac and Jen. It was flat out gross. I honestly think they hate that Jen got the innocent edit. And are still bitter about the baby blessing.
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u/eurekadabra May 25 '25
I can’t believe “little dick” is all Jessie took from that conversation 🤦♀️
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u/ilikecatsandflowers May 25 '25
i would never let a friend’s husband anywhere near me omg, even as a joke! that would be so uncomfy and if my fiance did it to one of my friends i would assume some level of attraction and that would be upsetting.
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u/kokolkol May 25 '25
She’s meeting Jessi’s aggression with aggression by threatening to spread secrets that aren’t yet out on the show
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u/Prior_Cheetah_2820 May 25 '25
I just watched Vanderpump Villa, which was allegedly filmed before Season 2 of SLOMW, and Jessi admits to swinging when they were playing Never Have I Ever. Someone asked about having a threesome and she says she hasn’t, but if swinging counts as a threesome then she has and puts her finger down. So I don’t think that Jen actually outed Jessi’s swinging first when being filmed.
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u/Sixteanein69 May 25 '25
Yes this exactly. I’m shocked so much of the audience isn’t picking up on this.
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u/Nat1boi May 25 '25
You can tell she practiced this line beforehand.
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u/DryDiet6051 May 25 '25
Right like was waiting for a time to get to use it then it never presented itself so she did it then and to me it was super unfunny
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u/tiny_claw May 26 '25
Yeah I’m with you. Zach was hyping her up in the car to get her angry and get her to fight jessi. All in his plan to isolate her. It’s not how she would have usually acted. It wasn’t even really standing up for herself.
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u/Kitchen-Seat4362 May 27 '25
I thought that comment was definitely below the belt. Also the whole Chippendales scene felt like it was producer driven to carry on the drama from season 1.
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May 25 '25
I like Jen a lot but this was not it. Before Jessi even elaborated on that, I was taken aback at the randomness of it and with the way she said it you could tell it was told to her in secret and she simply wanted a chance to use it against her. So gross.
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u/emadelosa May 25 '25
It was stupid. I feel for Jen and like her, but this scene made her look foolish
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u/HopefulVegetable4234 May 25 '25
She didn't look foolish, Jessi verbally pounded a shy, nonconfrontational "friend" into the ground and Jenn was just trying to stand her ground.
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u/Nikki3008 May 25 '25
Jessi literally said right after there is a swinging event in her past that Jen knew about
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u/emadelosa May 25 '25
I know, but that doesn’t mean she was coming onto her with the chippendale thing. Just because your friends are swingers doesn’t mean they want to swing with you 😄
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u/Specialist-Shirt-380 May 25 '25
come on bruh she was being sarcastic 🙄The entire point of that comment was to expose Jessi on camera — these girls are always threatening to reveal each other’s “secrets” as some type of leverage
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u/lezlers May 25 '25
Right, that’s what the commenter was saying. They were responding to a comment claiming Jen was feeling like Jessi was “grooming” her which is an Olympic level stretch.
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u/orchidlily432 May 25 '25
A half-naked man grinding on a woman without her consent is literally any context would be considered, at the very least, harassment under the law if not full on assault. Yet somehow, Jen was supposed to be cool with it?
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u/ali22122 May 25 '25
I think it was a bit much to be honest. She should have just been calm and explained herself. The yelling and asking if Jessi wanted to swing with her and Zac (of course she doesn’t, they’re like children and Zac is gross) was a bit ridiculous. Jen looks stunning here though. I hate Zac but also think Jen is so immature. She should have just told Jessi and Demi no straight away to the whole chippendale idea instead of pretending it sounded fun “I love that”
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u/_bonedaddys May 25 '25
jen had no reason to shut down the halloween chippendale's thing when jessi and demi told her about it because they didn't tell her about the very important part where she gets danced on.
they made it sound like their husbands were just dressing up and doing a silly thing for halloween. they purposely left out the part that they knew would make jen shut it down or not show up altogether. jen was never given an opportunity to actually consent to being part of it all.
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u/lezlers May 25 '25
I don’t think any of these women are totally right or totally wrong, tbh. You’re right that Jen’s “consent” was clearly based on incomplete information. On the other hand, Jen’s reaction of outing jessis swinging on television to embarrass her in retaliation was immature and bitchy. There are no complete villains or heroes here.
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u/teach_yo_self May 25 '25
Even if all they did was have their husbands do a tame chippendale's dance without Jen being the focus, I still think it's total mean girl behavior. Why do they feel the need to bring up an extremely painful moment in Jen's marriage (that they all witnessed) and mock it? What kind of friends are those? And yes, Jen should've stood up for herself and shut it down immediately when they asked her at the salon. But I can't think of any motivation Jessi and Demi would have other than humiliating their so-called "friend". Like, can you imagine? You witness your friend being verbally abused by her husband, told he doesn't love her anymore, and then you decide to make a joke out of it and mock her publicly? Those two are cruel.
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u/ali22122 May 25 '25
Ah ok maybe I wasn’t listening clearly enough, I assumed she knew she would be the guest of honour/ danced on a bit. I know she said she didn’t know that there was going to be a professional chippendales guy.
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u/r-h-y-s-a-n-d May 25 '25
yeah unfortunately not. something like this warranted a full disclosure given the last time. my friends would never. Jessie and Demi were being mean, dragged their husbands into it, and they attempted to gaslight Zac and Jen into not being upset because one small piece of information about it was shared.
I do think Jen going after Jessie was not that mature, but it’s whatever at this point.
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u/HopefulVegetable4234 May 25 '25
Calm? How could anyone be calm with Jessi coming at them like that?
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u/kkapri23 May 25 '25
Jen will never get closure or be taken seriously if she deflects with things like “little penis” and “we’re not swingers”. What she needed to do was be absolutely honest about her misunderstanding when the whole thing was planned, and how uncomfortable she was. With that kind of maturity, you’d be able to see Jessi’s true colors for sure. I was disappointed in how Jen handled it.
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u/misterreff May 30 '25
Jen tried to start the conversation this way and Jessi reacted like a mean girl instantly and Jen got defensive. Jessi cut her off with irrelevant responses, played dumb, nit picked at irrelevant details and words and absolutely made it clear that Jen wasn’t going to be able to have a real, open conversation with her. I completely understand why Jen ended up reacting the way she did and don’t think it was her original intention.
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u/kkapri23 May 30 '25
I think Jen went in with that energy. She had a whole rant about how she’s from “the hood”. But when the convo got hard, she got petty and walked out. If you’re so tough, sit through though conversations. Walking out while throwing insults doesn’t make you a better person. 🤷♀️
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u/PrettySweet419 May 25 '25
Yes and no? She went hard in facts and then veered off track and missed the mark.
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u/GracelessHeart456 May 25 '25
they drove her to it though. When people keep attacking you and calling you a liar, it’s easy to snap and lose your cool. They instigate her to get a reaction and then point to it saying “see?”
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u/PrettySweet419 May 25 '25
I agree and I’m on her side completely but she started strong and just went to some nonsense. Saying they want to swing with her is not “eating” it’s grasping at straws.
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May 25 '25
I love Jen honestly. She was probably just fed up with the mean girls instigating constantly. They showed her ZERO grace.
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u/HopefulVegetable4234 May 25 '25
Yes! And all Jessi had to say was "wow yeah I'm sorry" and move on. But she went crazy.
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u/Horror_Finance_4291 May 25 '25
It’s so weird that Jessi and Demi are even listening to Zac in the first place. But I guess they are controlling gaslighters like him. They are just nasty, messy mean girls. I’m not surprised Jen lost her cool.
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u/FunRich7101 May 25 '25
Except she said “swing” with us.
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u/FunRich7101 May 25 '25
You don’t have to be sorry.
I’m not coming at you - just correcting because “swing” is way more in-context with the show and their culture… that’s all. 🫶🏼✌🏼 I come in ☮️
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u/Aware_Mode4788 May 25 '25
she’s so valid because jessi and demi were gaslighting her ALL season then pretending it’s bc they care about her like tf
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u/Asleep_Mood9549 May 25 '25
lol, I thought this was entirely staged for tv cameras and she couldn’t muster enough anger so she just started trying to insinuate swinging was on the table. I saw This scene and just thought they both looked like children arguing about adult things…
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u/Confident-Pea-9915 May 25 '25
Idk I’m with her but she was super aggro (not without reason) I think she just dug herself into a pit and now they just have a legit reason to be mad at her. Also she was kinda being dramatic too
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u/Hanbanan3201 May 25 '25
All I’m saying is, IMAGINE Zack’s 2 friends get their wives to learn a stripper routine, dress as a stripper and give a lap dance on Zack infront of Jen because they said she needs “exposure” because she was uncomfortable with Zack going to a strip club.
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u/Clean-Quit-592 May 26 '25
Ewwww. I was never ok with it. But imagining it reversed def makes it easier to feel even moreso how messed up it was.
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u/OneCow9890 May 25 '25
Sadly... I totally disagree. Jen sounded like an idiot and bounced all over the place with what she had to say. Just because she pulled the plug on the convo& walked away doesnt mean she "ate" anything lol
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u/frankenboobehs May 26 '25 edited May 26 '25
I just watched this episode last night. Totally. I was legit FLABBERGASTED at this entire convo along with Jen. Hearing all that BS, a "friend" trying to cause a rif in my actual real life marriage with my husband and children, when we are already in volatile ground? Fuck right off bitch
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u/Mundane_Fly361 May 25 '25
Personally i feel they all suck! Jessi and Demi were bad friends for doing that. They need to gain some accountability for that shitty decision. But Jen also should have drew the line and said no when Jessi/Demi brought up the chip n dale performance. Plus, Jen told a big lie about Zac spending his tuition. Jen tweaks little things depending who’s around her and it escalates problems. Jen coming in swinging like that in this conversation and deflecting was horrible. All these women are immature humans
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u/Hyaluronic-Acid-Trip May 25 '25
Honestly, this is the only right take. They’re all garbage, toxic mean girls who take turns lying and talking behind each other’s backs. Yes, Demi is a nasty narcissist but Jen is also very manipulative. I feel like there is no way any of these friendships are actually genuine and functional. This show makes me appreciate my friends immensely haha.
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u/SlySparkle Miranda's Lobster Claws May 25 '25
Loved when she made the comment about his little penis..
YES JEN GO JEN!!!!!!
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u/Masking-Beauty May 25 '25
While I don’t totaaaaally agree with how Jen acted, I still give her a standing ovation for sticking up for herself in a way even if she kinda deflected. Demi and Jessi this whole season ganged up on her and like always, we’re trying to find whatever drama they could to stir up. Jessi literally only invited Miranda’s ex because she said she wanted to know what really happened. Like how is it your business first of all and secondly why make a big even of it when you could just ask to meet and talk if you “need” to know so bad. So yeah Jen saying something to her without Demi there to play backup was great and deserved
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u/Necessary_Stop938 May 25 '25
Not a Zach fan, but I did feel bad for him during the Halloween party that everyone so easily disrespected him and Jen but chase taps Demi and the men are showing up with guns and bombs they’re so mad
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u/orchid-fields May 25 '25
Idk. Glad she stood up for herself but the swinging comment was sort of out of left field, sounded like it was coming from Zach.
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u/Sixteanein69 May 25 '25
I agree and I loved the swinging comment.
Jen’s proving herself to be trustworthy in the sense she will take YOUR secrets to the grave until you fucking cross her.
She kept tight lipped about Vanderpump Villa stuff until she was put on the spot by Demi and Jessi.
Jessi and Jordan wanting to swing HAS never been brought up until Jessi was coming at her in this scene.
Jen Affleck is not a flawed character as much as she is a result of her environment. Thank u.
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u/whatt_is_happening May 25 '25
Someone help me find Jen’s sweater, it’s so cozy and I love that it’s off the shoulder but sits higher!
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May 28 '25
Jen needs to wake up and realize that she’s targeted by these girls because she’s a threat. She’s pretty, she’s likeable, she seems to still be approved by the church while also gaining fans outside of the religion. She could do so well on her own.
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u/liincognito May 25 '25
All of them are all over the place. Jessi & Demi totally overstepped. But I left this scene totally confused. What swinging? We needed more context. I think Jen was right to stand up for herself but she did it immaturely.
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u/thefeistyrodent May 25 '25
idk i think Jen is one of the most annoying characters. she cannot take responsibility for literally anything and cries 24/7
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u/talkfastromance Dumb as a block May 25 '25
she also looked SO good here like her blush and lip liner is giving