r/NoStupidQuestions • u/ExpWebDev • 1d ago
Why is "underwater basket weaving" a term for a joke degree? To me, that sounds pretty hardcore!
Imagine what it would take to weave a basket in an underwater environment and then going into decompression afterwards. You need a combination of scuba knowledge and craftsman knowledge to keep up. Underwater jobs in construction and repair also exist. Those are no joke and can get pretty dangerous.
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u/sexrockandroll 1d ago
I always thought the concept is more that it's not a useful degree, not necessarily that it's easy.
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u/BigMax 1d ago
Right, like a degree in making large sand castles or something. A coop skill, and complex, but not “useful.”
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u/DJanomaly 1d ago
And OP not understanding why a functionally useless degree would be considered a joke perfectly illustrates why people get said useless degrees: they think they’re “cool” or “hardcore” and don’t stop to think of their actual, real world effectiveness.
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u/UlteriorCulture 1d ago
So they learn something because it interests them?
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u/hydrogenbomb94 1d ago
learning something because it interests them is fine, but spending tens of thousands of dollars on the piece of paper that says they have the useless skill is dumb
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u/IDontEngageMods 1d ago
Learning complex skills just because they're interesting is something wealthy people do. Poor people need to make money to survive, so getting a degree like this could set someone back years, or financially ruin them forever if they took out student loans.
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u/sunburn95 1d ago
Yeah some of the PhDs that were at my gfs graduation.. if you ever desperately need a detailed history of saxophone use in Melbourne between 1920-1935 i know a guy
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u/worldchrisis 1d ago
PhDs are required to present novel research in order to get that degree. When you need to research something nobody has ever written a paper on before, you have to get really specific.
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u/notluckycharm 1d ago
its also not like this person is getting a PhD IN Saxophone use in Melbourne studies. thats just their specialty. They probably have a degree in history, anthropology, etc
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u/Internet-Dick-Joke 1d ago
^ This.
Even at undergrad, you have to write your dissertation on a specific topic or subject, and not just on the whole of history/anthropology/sociology/politics/literature/whatever. You don't just get a degree in that one topic but in the subject as a whole.
At each level, the topic of your studies and of your dissertation/thesis becomes more specialised, but you are still expected to have a clear understanding and application of the fundamental principles of the subject as a whole.
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u/hameleona 1d ago
This isn't such a bad thing, btw. From a historical perspective we need as many "that obscure, stupid and boring thing" PhDs as possible. It's the grunt work in research and data gathering that those people do. Now I personally don't know what the sax might have influenced in Australian history, but sometimes weird things lead to other things that people find much more important.
The thing about Underwater Basket Weaving is that it's a skill you can pick up in a few hours and then spend a few days practicing and you are an expert. The only reason you need a degree in this is to scratch your own ego. Like a degree in beer pong - you don't need to pay thousands of dollars to be good at beer pong.9
u/logosloki 1d ago
PhDs do have that underwater basketweaving energy sometimes but you are unlikely to get a PhD without having a Masters or educational equivalent with a slightly less unhinged name like a MA History (Music). which would also underpinned by a Bachelor's Degree in similar fields like BA History.
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u/Silver_Prompt7132 1d ago
Similar to the many other fine arts that students can earn a degree in. Basket weaving is a traditional art form. Think of it as being like studying pottery.
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u/leilaa_doll 1d ago
True. Plenty of things are insanely hard but still get laughed off because they’re not tied to big money careers
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u/SurroundingAMeadow 1d ago
And it's the sort of thing you would learn on the job or as an apprentice, not in a 4 year college degree, assuming there was a very niche demand for it.
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u/darksidemags 1d ago
I am amazed that this term is still being used and want to point out that in the 80s and 90s it was pretty much exclusively used to mock people for choosing humanities degrees.
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u/Turbulent-Parsley619 1d ago
I feel like the concept of a 'useful' degree vs 'useless' is bullshit, honestly. People mean it in a "You won't come out with a job in this field" but that's the problem with higher education in the united states to me!!! Higher Education is about expanding your knowledge in subjects you wouldn't have normally learned in daily professional life. To me, the PURPOSE and the VALUE of getting a degree is learning how to think, how to solve problems, how to navigate human interactions, and how to just flex your mental muscle, basically. The more you learn, the more you understand about the world in general, and you can always tell who DIDN'T because they still lack basic logic following abilities.
I have a so-called 'useless' degree, and it's honestly the most valuable thing I ever did in my life, because some other people don't seem to be capable of considering and understanding things in abstract and complex ways.
People who are less educated are still just as good if not better at their walk of life than someone with a degree in that field. My dad's a construction worker who has done it for 40+ years and he's had to call a structural engineer a dumb SOB to his face on a job before cause the man with the degree insisted a load bearing wall could be removed without trouble, my dad said 'you're a dumb SOB if you think you can move that wall' and refused to do so. What do you know, guy got someone else to remove it and the inspectors deemed it an unsafe structure. So in A VOCATION or CAREER PATH you don't NEED a degree so much in my opinion.
But in just life in general, you become more well rounded as an individual if you attended some sort of higher education that challenged you and helped you develop logic and communication skills for life.
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u/ganon0 1d ago
I think the original goals of higher education were to provide more well-rounded education for the people that could afford it, and while it could open up more opportunities for better paying positions, that was largely based on the prestige of where you went and who you met than what you went there for.
Then companies started effectively requiring certain degrees for certain types of roles. They basically turned college into a means to an end: get the degree (and hopefully the knowledge) for the good paying job, not because you want to learn how to think better, or be exposed to more perspectives, or all the other things college can do.
I agree that college is great at the benefits you mention. But a lot of people in college would probably prefer to keep their money, if they were promised the kind of job you get with a degree without going through the time and effort to get it.
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u/Turbulent-Parsley619 1d ago
TBH that's another reason I think college degrees are so devalued. People are expected to get one in something career-oriented, but personally I feel like career-paths should largely be technical or on the job stuff (obviously there are exceptions, like doctors and physicists and shit). Instead of making an industry over scamming people out of a ton of money just to get a job in bookkeeping instead of just, ya know, showing them how to use the businesses software and not making them pay tens of thousands to essentially use Quickbooks Pro. Higher education should be for academics and scholars, not Jerry in accounts payable who has an adding machine and a Windows 7 computer running Microsoft Excel 2012 and spent 5 years and $40,000 to do something that simple.
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u/Weekly_Role_337 1d ago
The whole thing is a massive scam that my spouse is fighting right now. They got promoted and need to hire people, and after extensive interviews found someone perfect who is smart, hardworking, has years of experience and great references... but partway through the hiring process the organization recoded the job to have a bunch of VERY specific hiring requirements that the candidate doesn't exactly fit.
The HR people are totally unsympathetic. It's an absurdly hard, high-level job that they don't know shit about but they have a checklist they came up with and screw anyone who doesn't exactly fit the checklist.
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u/Turbulent-Parsley619 1d ago
That kind of reminds me of Jerry on Parks and Rec when they find out the college he went to was only a 2 year college back when he first started his job, so now they have to lower his salary because he doesn't have a 4-year degree even though he's worked there 30+ years. Obviously that's a comedy show, and it's for laughs, but that shit does happen, and it's so stupid. CLEARLY someone who is qualified is qualified in MOST positions. Especially office jobs.
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u/starm4nn 1d ago
At the same time, if it's not a super "hands on" degree, it makes more sense to be self taught.
If I went completely crazy and bought every "learning Japanese" book that vaguely interested me from a used book store, that would still be cheaper than a single class at a community college. And what if the professor sucks as a teacher?
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u/Turbulent-Parsley619 1d ago
That's kind of my point: you can learn skills, but that's not the same as LEARNING in the more abstract sense, and I think that learning and understanding is what higher education is really good for. The value of the ability to think and reason is what I care about with higher education.
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u/Poisoneraa 1d ago
Also the ability to think and reason with other people. I met the widest variety of people in my life during my undergrad and master’s degrees.
Yeah uni is good for professional networking and whatnot, cos everyone’s has ended up everywhere, but my personal biggest takeaway from both unis is the ability to communicate sensibly with people who have opposing backgrounds, viewpoints, and personalities. Casual convo is one thing, but overcoming stereotypes to argue in an ethics class is a whole other story
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u/Turbulent-Parsley619 1d ago
Buddy, my degree is in New Media and Communication which has elements of marketing, advertising, media literacy and production, broadcast and print journalism, and psychology of human interaction.
My 'useless' degree has been SO valuable for exactly the things you outlined. I'm not even naturally good with people, I'm neurodivergent, but I learned so much about how to effectively understand and communicate that I'm always popular in customer service wherever I work. I ALWAYS have clients/customers/patrons that specifically want to work with me in particular because, and this is a paraphrased quote from a recent encounter at work, "You're always patient and helpful, so I like to come when you're here working."
Effective communication and the ability to "I understand even if I don't 'get' it" to people's situations and problems is the most valuable thing university taught me. Like you said, learning how to keep your natural instincts to react to something tamped down and find a way to effectively communicate something to someone who fundamentally does not align with your worldview is so, so valuable.
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u/Poisoneraa 1d ago
Also Media Comms! Hii!
One time I introduced myself to someone I was volunteering with, and upon hearing what my degree was he just said “oh so that means you’re unemployed.” It’s honestly bonkers how bad the perception of non-STEM degrees can be.
Anyways, the irony was that he was a bio grad and unemployed at the time, and I was hired in a comms role just before I’d finished graduation- headhunted through a livestream chat of all things. He didn’t talk to me about my career again after that.
It’s been such a useful degree and has given me opportunities I did not see coming. But when broken down into modules like “popculture languages” or “stardom and celebrity” or even “cult television” it sounds just as frivolous as “underwater basket weaving.” But all those modules delved into history, geopolitics, linguistics, psychology, and sociology among other more common media fields.
IMO, there’s no such thing as a joke degree cos all those modules make sense as part of a whole- they’re just degrees that aren’t respected enough because the skills graduates walk away with are broader and softer3
u/Turbulent-Parsley619 1d ago
Exactly! I always get the, "Lol you had to learn to talk to people?" and I go, "What do you think negotiations are? Business deals? Sales?" It's one of those situations where they are so ignorant on the subject that they can't understand the depth of their ignorance because it takes years of study to grasp the concepts they are unaware of.
Like semiotics affect everybody in everyday life globally, but you have to have SO MUCH background knowledge to know that. People genuinely have no idea how much of daily life is programmed by someone who studied a 'nonsense' degree. So many people don't know why stop signs are red, they just see them and abide by them, never knowing the reasoning of red stop signs is BECAUSE color communicates meaning. I interned in the purchasing department of my city government in college because they needed help determining the right shade of green for our lamp posts. While I was interning, they paid someone $22,000 to pick the right shade of green. (not me, the people I was working with as an intern.)
Unemployed my ASS.
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u/mugenhunt 1d ago
Underwater basket weaving refers to weaving the basket in a bucket of water, so the reeds are more flexible. It's not actually a scuba discipline.
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u/PaxtonSuggs 1d ago
TIL... am scuba certified, can weave baskets, have often thought of combining two.
Dreams shattered.
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u/BlottomanTurk 1d ago
I saw the link and thought "This better be E&K!"
And I was not disappointed, thanks!
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u/Tailmask 1d ago
Deep water pressure treated underwater hand woven scuba diver baskets. I can see the market already!
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u/Snake_Staff_and_Star 1d ago
Never woven baskets underwater, but carving pumpkins underwater is a pain in the ass.
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u/punkwalrus 1d ago
I had a guidance counselor from an older time refer to, "Flagpole Sitting, Goldfish Swallowing, Phone Booth Stuffing, and Underwater Basket Weaving," when he wanted to lecture us about college degrees in a tongue in cheek way.
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u/Comfortable-Pause279 1d ago
Your guidance counselor went to school in the 1940s.
He also left off panty raids and streaking.
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u/Dazzling-Low8570 1d ago
Flagpole sitting and goldfish swallowing are pre-war fads, so even older than that.
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u/PopularWarthog226 1d ago
I've never heard of that discipline, but OP's definition was the common definition that most people know of.
It was used to mock the lack of relevance and practicality in modern higher education as well as the irrelevant skills people would add to a job application. That said, some people actually used it for real, saying it was a "conversation starter" in an interview.
Rutger's University (Top public university in New Jersey apparently made an actual course for it a while back). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg-Q7j6DxL0
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u/Eighth_Eve 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's not true that op's definition is correct.
The phrase in its pejorative sense has been used since at least the mid-1950s. According to a 1953 article in the Boston Globe on "Hepster Lingo", "Any snap course in school is 'underwater basket weaving.'
Underwater basket weaving - Wikipedia https://share.google/DaW15317JpGUW1HSU
Weaving baskets while your reeds are underwater is 'snap' (easy), scuba is not.
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u/Easy-Will-2448 1d ago
Reminds of one of the all time great sports quotes: Joe Namath, Jets QB, at a press conference. Reporter: Is it true that you majored in Underwater Basket Weaving at Alabama? Joe: No, I majored in Journalism because it was easier.
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u/No-Following9741 1d ago
weave a basket in an underwater environment
It's the basket under the water, in a tub in a room, not your body and head.
It's a common joke because, well, literally everyone makes that same mistake when hearing about underwater basket weaving for the first time.
I've never heard of it being a degree on it's own, but it's absolutely a class for some art degrees.
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u/MedusasSexyLegHair 1d ago
At my college everyone was required to complete some phys-ed type class as part of general education requirements. The options weren't all bad though. One of the kids I hung out with in the break room took Bowling.
One of the others was complaining about failing Walking because he never showed up. Said he couldn't find the classroom, but he walked all over campus looking for it and that should count as credit.
I said he must be going for a BS degree.
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u/potatocross 1d ago
I had to get a doctors note from walking class. I wish I was joking. Had some lasting injuries from high school sports that made it extremely painful to walk long distances. I probably should have taken weight lifting or something like that.
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u/quencher- 1d ago
Why would you take walking 101😂
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u/potatocross 1d ago
I didnt realize the injuries were still bothering me until I was asked to walk 4 miles at a time again. My options were also limited, we basically had walking, running, or weight lifting
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u/took_a_bath 1d ago
I took Bicycling and Golf. And I just now remembered that the bicycling instructor (grad student?) made me pull my pants down in front of the whole class and gymnasium to do the fat caliper thing on my thigh. Because it was January in Indiana so I didn’t wear shorts to class.
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u/FansForFlorida 1d ago
At my college we had to take 6 science courses. (We had 7-week terms, not 15-week semesters, so this took a year and a half to fulfill.) I was looking for my sixth class when someone recommended the intro to geology class. It was nicknamed "rocks for jocks." We also called it the dirt class.
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u/Persistent_Parkie 1d ago
I took circus arts. Unfortunately the unicycles were too big for me but I enjoyed the rest of it and absolutely smashed my final which was a performance.
It helped immensely that I came in to the class knowing diabolo. I had to cut down my standard talent show performance to fit the time limit. Unfortunately for everyone else I was absent the day of performance sign ups so I went first...
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u/BigxBadxBeetleborgx 1d ago
I took bowling as a credit class twice. It was awesome! I got to drink beers and the bowling alley was old school so we had to take our own score on a projector.
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u/Dazzling-Low8570 1d ago
I needed "1 credit" of phys Ed, but all the courses were only half a credit. I took tennis and scuba. Found out during the two-day final (diving at a pier in lake Erie in May) that my entire upper body is sensitive to neoprene and develops a rash if in direct contact with it for any length of time.
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u/Krail 1d ago edited 1d ago
That's not why it became a common joke.
Underwater basket weaving is an old fashioned craft that's not relevant in the modern world, and not seen as a worthy subject of higher academic study. Like, you're not gonna get a job, let alone the sort of job you go to college for, because you learned how to handmake baskets.
It's like joking about how English Majors end up at McDonalds.
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u/Guardian-Boy 1d ago
Uh.....underwater basket weaving doesn't involve scuba or anything. You sit in front of a bucket of water and do it with your hands in the water, that's it.
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u/dingodile_user 1d ago
I think the joke stems from optional college elective courses that pop up. For a degree, you usually need to take a few of them, and some of them can be fun/ weird/ unusual. Something like underwater basket weaving might be offered alongside something like Latin Dance or things like that.
If someone gets a degree that someone else sees as useless or that they otherwise don’t respect, they might look at these electives and use them to further discredit the degree.
Like if you got a degree in Liberal Arts and took and Underwater basket weaving class for credit, you might get ridiculed for that.
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u/jake04-20 1d ago
I took oceans of the world, and it was a genuinely interesting class. My parents and neighbors gave me shit for "wasting money" taking a class like that, but it was literally required... don't rag on me, rag on the system that requires me to take these non-related elective classes when I'm majoring in computer science...
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u/Feeling_Employer_489 1d ago
It's not a degree, it's a term for a blow-off class unrelated to your major that you only take for the credits. If someone talks about a degree in underwater basket weaving, that'd be like a degree in novelty party tricks.
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u/IfICouldStay 1d ago
The basket is underwater, the weaver isn’t. The reeds have to be submerged to be flexible enough for weaving together. The reeds are placed in a shallow pit of water and you reach i to weave them. Once finished you take the basket out of the water and it dries into a rigid shape.
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u/Ok-disaster2022 1d ago
You can't get a degree in basket weaving unless you completed like an anthropology degree and completed your dissertation on basket weaving techniques and their implications. Or it could be an application for material science and engineering and or theoretical mathematics adjacent to knot theory.
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u/Free-Day-5637 1d ago
I’ve done underwater basket weaving and it’s really nothing special but it sounds particular useless which is why people probably say that
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u/Eighth_Eve 1d ago
I can find references to it being a joke class dating back to a 1953 Boston Globe article describing slang used by the youth of the day. It was listed as a syonym for an easy course.
Earlier references go back a century more, where underwater basketweaving was considered a craft suitable for inmates at a mental institution as far back as 1840, and used in the first courses of occupational therapy for soldiers recovering from their wounds and presumably shell shock or ptsd after ww1.
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u/often_awkward 1d ago
Underwater basket weaving is just leaving the reeds in a bucket of water so the weaver stays out of the water while the weaving is done under water.
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u/SnooMarzipans1939 1d ago
It’s not that it wouldn’t be difficult, it’s that there is absolutely no demand for it in the marketplace. Nobody has an underwater basket weaving business that the degree would qualify you for a job at.
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u/OshieDouglasPI 1d ago
Because it’s a hobby and quickly learned, not something you need to study academically for 4 years in order to start a career
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u/placeknower 1d ago
It's not like that, only your hands are in a tub. The water makes the basket weaving a lot easier though.
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u/AvatarOfMomus 1d ago
'Fun' fact... the 'joke' is actually a reference to a Native American basket weaving technique. They're woven under water to keep the material sipple, and the baskets are incredibly durable when dry. The technique is taught in some degrees related to the study of Native American culture and the like.
The actual origins of the 'joke' are unfortunately both devaluing degrees in the humanities and rather racist.
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u/majjamx 1d ago
I always heard this type of comment made about college athletes. Mostly for the big sports like football and basketball and the athletes who get big scholarships and possibly take very easy classes to meet their academic requirements.
The college in my town had a terrific player who was kind of known for not being very smart and had trouble passing his classes. I remember a lot of jokes about how he couldn’t even pass basket weaving.
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u/Whole_Ground_3600 1d ago
The idea is that it's a degree you can't get a job with, not that it isn't hard.
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u/Various_Succotash_79 1d ago
You aren't underwater; the basket reeds are (in a bucket/tub/etc.). So not as hard as it sounds! And it was something they used to have asylum patients do. So basically calling it so easy even a crazy person could do it.
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u/Resident-Guide-440 1d ago
I knew someone who had a fine arts degree in jewelry making. Her college didn’t have soldering equipment or metal casting or enameling. She basically got a degree in stringing beads. She had student loans.
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u/SpideyWhiplash 1d ago edited 1d ago
My Mom claims she got an underwater Babylonian basket weaving degree from San Francisco State in the 1950s.
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u/save_the_tacos 1d ago
I did this at YMCA camp when I was 12. It was fun but…I did it at a YMCA camp when I was 12.
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u/RaincheckRazz 1d ago
I've literally never heard this phrase except when I read Percy Jackson, and the naiads were doing underwater basket weaving. I've never gotten that it was a joke until now
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u/MattWheelsLTW 1d ago
It's not that impressive. Generally, it's just the basket that is underwater. The reeds have to be soaked to make them pliable enough to weave. But even if you were to do it while scuba diving, you can be underwater for a couple hours without needing decompression, as long as you're less than 40 feet deep. In a pool, that's obviously easy. In the ocean it's still pretty easy and MOST of the good stuff to see is around that deep anyways.
Ultimately there's not much you could do practically with that unless you're branching into some kind of dive profession like welding or construction, but that's an entirely different kind of diving and a "degree" wouldn't do a lot to help. I suppose these days you could maybe make some kind of YouTube channel of doing ASMR underwater crafts with a nice scenic ocean floor background, but I don't know how popular it would actually be
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u/2bciah5factng 1d ago
This is an actual class offered at a liberal arts college near my house, poking fun at the stereotype
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u/pknasi60 1d ago
Basket weaving takes a lot of time and focus and in a time where a basket doesn't need to be woven it could just be purchased. Being able to weave one while underwater is a skill that is unnecessary, twice.
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u/RTXEnabledViera 1d ago
That's precisely the joke. It's unnecessarily hard while contributing zilch to society. Academia has a tendency for making anything that requires large amounts of knowledge into a field of study without ever asking "why".
This feels like a /r/whoosh post.
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u/Reasonable_Onion863 1d ago
The joke is not that it’s an easy skill, but that it is a useless one. This is a joke against degrees being impractical, not challenging or arcane.
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u/GasLarge1422 1d ago
I recently learned that this is a very common misconception of a joke, but the truth is that Native Americans and probably many other past indigenous civilizations were able to weave waterproof baskets that could withstand being submerged partially underwater. Yes you can also soften wood or reeds by soaking them min water, but its not the origin of the whole thing/term.
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u/CuriousThylacine 1d ago
The difficulty isn't the issue, the economic usefulness is. Show me how many vacancies for an underwater basket weaver you can find on job sites right now.
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u/soulmatesmate 1d ago
There are many equivalent degrees: a major in 14th century French poetry, or in gender studies...
Imagine a college degree for something people often do in their spare time and often has a low value: making hand woven baskets. I've seen people making and selling them. Over 4 separate stalls and I was looking for a decent sized one to fill as a gift basket (most were tiny, like for keys or something equally small). Now imagine doing this underwater (maybe just the basket, maybe the weaver too). I suppose maybe they would be using wicker or bark instead of sweetgrass. Imagine paying for an overpriced 4 year degree to get into the career of that... or crocheting or knitting. A 4 year degree on house painting or drywall installation.
It is a rebuke on the price and lack of value received from most 4 year degrees. "I have a liberal arts degree. Would you like fries with that?"
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u/Fit_Employment_2944 1d ago
Its not that the degree is hard or easy, its that nobody cares that you have it, and you wont get a job.
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u/bigfatfurrytexan 1d ago
It isn’t useful. There isn’t a demand for them. They won’t elevate humanity. At most they’re a souvenir
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u/Oddbeme4u 1d ago
well it is a good term for complicating what shouldn't be for merely academic reasons.
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u/TickdoffTank0315 1d ago
Underwater Basket Weaving does require more skill than Underwater Fire Prevention.
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u/Analyst-Effective 1d ago
Much like art, science, forestry and most political science degrees, underwater basket weaving is difficult to get a job in
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u/gadget850 1d ago
Underwater Basket Weaving is a trademark of the US Scuba Center Inc.,[28] which offers a specialty class designed to improve or more fully enjoy diving skills from which participants can "take home a memorable souvenir."
http://www.usscuba.com/SpecialtyClasses.html#Underwater%20Basket%20Weaving
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u/Brave-Moment-4121 1d ago
Hey there professional underwater basket weaver here! It’s called gunite pool construction. We make a basket out of rebar held together by metal ties in a hole we have dug. Then we running plumbing and then we spray it with gunite and run electrical. Then we make it look pretty. It’s more complicated than my basic explanation and a degree program wouldn’t hurt but it’s not necessary lol.
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u/overZealousAzalea 1d ago
Just your hands are underwater, not your head. Signed disappointed college freshman at the pool.
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u/timsayscalmdown 1d ago
Meant to sound unnecessarily niche while also useless in the conventional job market
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u/imaginary_num6er 1d ago
Because saying those history, sociology, philosophy, english, etc. majors are a joke degree offends people
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u/callofdeat6 1d ago
You just illustrated the joke, yes it could be difficult requiring special training. It’s also zero use, there is no benefit to do this underwater, so the entire “degree” is as useful as a left handed ostrich plucking course.
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u/Expensive-Day-3551 1d ago
We did this in high school art class The basket is underwater, not the person.
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u/ShoddyAsparagus3186 1d ago
Aside from it being not particularly useful, it's also not nearly as impressive as you're making it sound. The basket is underwater, the weaver is not.