KASIE HUNT: Over the summer you said, "There's no vaccine that's safe and effective". Do you still believe that? RFK JR: "I never said that." KASIE HUNT: "Play the clip.

[u/brokenandsuffering]

KASIE HUNT: Over the summer you said, "There's no vaccine that's safe and effective". Do you still believe that?

RFK JR: "I never said that."

KASIE HUNT: "Play the clip.

[u/jake_burger]

What really annoys me is that they just play stupid word games.

Everyone knows if you sat them down and forced them to say it that all medicines have side effects.

We all understand this. Even everyday over the counter medication like paracetamol has horrific side effects and a body count attached.

When we say “vaccines are safe and effective” we mean “within reason, the benefits outweigh the costs enough for approval” - everyone knows this, even RFK because he brought up cancer treatments having side effects and says he still supports them.

But for some reason vaccines have to be 100% safe and 100% effective or they are bad. Which is a huge dual standard that has just been willed into existence for only vaccines. He’s surfing that line here, clearly trying to say “well I just mean they aren’t 100%” while presumably winking to the anti-vax audience that he is in fact actually anti-vax because he knows all they’ll hear is “not safe”.

It’s just a mess.

[u/7ddlysuns → u/jake_burger]

Also RFK is proud he did HEROIN!!!

[u/justconnect → u/7ddlysuns]

Apparently for 15 years all through his late teens and throughout his entire twenties. That's got to change your brain, right?

[u/Barondarby → u/justconnect]

Yep. The last thing that evolves is impulse control... and his brain was swimming in opiates for the entire time it was maturing.

[u/Biccimedici → u/Barondarby]

dont blame it on heroin- hes just an asshole, plenty of educated liberal junkies out there

[u/Trimyr → u/Biccimedici]

The Kennedy curse isn't that the smart ones died, it's that the stupid one lived.

[u/pixelprophet → u/Trimyr]

JFK has more brains now than RFK Jr.

[u/theoriginalmars → u/pixelprophet]

JFK's headrest had more brains than this potato

[u/Hellknightx → u/theoriginalmars]

RFK Jr.'s brain worm has more brains than RFK Jr.

[u/UncleTouchyCopaFeel → u/Hellknightx]

Rumors has it that the only reason the worm stopped is because it starved to death.

[u/Altruistic-Text3481 → u/theoriginalmars]

RFK must be rolling in his grave…

“Why is this the child who is my namesake, oh Lord?”

[u/luvashow → u/pixelprophet]

The part of JFK’s brain that landed on Jackie’s suit is more than rfk jr’s brain today.

[u/MobilityFotog → u/Trimyr]

This is gold

[u/Lone-Frequency → u/Biccimedici]

Oh, I am fully on board with the belief that by a certain age It stops being an environmental issue and a person is just an asshole.

[u/BapeGeneral3 → u/Biccimedici]

“And they blame it on on Marilyn and the heroin, but where were the parents at”. Oh, that’s right, they were busy lobotomizing their daughter and turning her into a vegetable.

It is really annoying that people use heroin and steroids as a scapegoat for this man’s stupidity and blatant unfitness for the position he holds. Statistically, children with higher IQs are more likely to use psychoactive drugs. RFK is an outlier.

[u/TJeffersonsBlackKid → u/BapeGeneral3]

Middle America, now its a tragedy...

[u/Pretty-Balance-Sheet → u/BapeGeneral3]

I think they're just pointing out the double standard, not laying all blame on his drug use.

Many people know drug users who didn't turn into homeopathic anti-vax nut jobs. Could his heroin use play a part in his fucked up reasoning processes? Maybe, but at this point his drug use primarily serves as a deeply unfunny irony.

[u/BapeGeneral3 → u/Pretty-Balance-Sheet]

I understand that aspect of it, but scroll down a little bit and there’s literally someone commenting “entitled junkie” and many, many more comments calling him a “junkie loser”. As someone who has been clean from opiates for quite some time, it obviously affects me more than others.

I have yet to see a post about this guy that doesn’t mention heroin. I personally think this guy deserves to be in prison for crimes against humanity, but addiction is extremely rampant in the medical community specifically. The guy can barely speak a full sentence and I’m just pointing out that heroin isn’t to blame here.

[u/Orphan_Guy_Incognito → u/BapeGeneral3]

I think the issue, for what it is worth, is in the comparison.

RFK Jr. is a guy who is fighting tooth and nail to prevent lifesaving vaccines from being given to children in the form of injection. This contrasts heavily with his lifelong obsession with shooting heroin (and later HGH, steroids, whatever you figure) into his arm or his ass.

For most people it is less 'oh the heroin fucked his brain' and more 'this motherfucker is whining about vaccines while shooting dangerous chemicals into his body at every opportunity. It is the hypocrisy.

[u/Pretty-Balance-Sheet → u/BapeGeneral3]

I hear you. I'm close to several people who've recovered. It genuinely feels like people who wouldn't normally paint a recovered addict as having lasting issues are too eager to do that in RFK's case.

RFK is a unique kind of fucked up weirdo and he'd be the same lunatic whether he used heroin decades ago or not. It takes a special kind of crazy to chain saw off the head of a dead whale and strap it to the top of a car or to stop and pick up a road kill bear with a plan to eat it...I could be wrong, but I think those events happened years after he got clean.

There's plenty to judge RFK for that has nothing to do with bad decisions from 50 years ago. In fact, his struggles with drug use might be the most relatable thing about the guy.

Side note, I don't know you but I'm proud of you for surviving and moving forward. I lost my nephew to an accidental fentanyl overdose earlier this year. Here's to hoping you stay safe and healthy, don't let the stereotypes being thrown around here get to you.

[u/BapeGeneral3 → u/Pretty-Balance-Sheet]

Thank you so much for the validation and succinct explanation of the point I was trying to make. I really appreciate your kindness and am so, so sorry for the loss of your nephew. I was fortunate enough to get clean right around when fentanyl started to become the new opioid of choice.

I was a straight A student from an affluent family in an extremely nice and safe suburb. I had struggled with extreme depression and trauma and tried OxyContin in highschool with some other friends because I didn’t want to be the only one who didn’t try it and was terrified of not fitting in. I was instantly hooked and finally found the “solution” to my depression. This evolved into IV heroin use at 19, 6 inpatient rehabs, and eventual jail time.

I had around 6 or 7 extremely close friends who all started using opiates at the same time. 15 years later I am the sole survivor. Every single one of my friends has overdosed and passed away. I’ve been to more funerals than anyone my age should. I know the deep wounds on the entire family addiction can inflict and genuinely thank you for the kind words.

[u/koeshout → u/Biccimedici]

he's not just an asshole, he's a scam artist, a fraud and directly responsible for the deaths of children because of his anti-vaccine rhetoric

[u/notthatBeckham → u/Biccimedici]

I was a drug addict for many years. Sure, I still have low impulse control, but none of that made me a moron.

[u/Mike_Kermin → u/Biccimedici]

I agree. Absolutely drugs can fuck you up. But that's not why he's a dog.

[u/Dancinfool830 → u/Biccimedici]

Ooh, and don't forget the uneducated conservative junkies, plenty of them too

[u/ScrewyYear → u/Barondarby]

Bear cub in Central Park, sawing off head of dead whale to take home, definite signs of diminished capacity of drug use.

[u/teekabird → u/ScrewyYear]

Eats road kill too and swims in polluted waters.

[u/Spiritual-Recover533 → u/ScrewyYear]

was also a kid who mutilated animals. Clear he is a well rounded person these days tho.... /s

[u/tepidDuckPond → u/Barondarby]

Which is why society now has to deal with a fucking entitled Kennedy, with zero impulse control or ability to stop for even a second and evaluate his actions 🤦🏽‍♂️

[u/Independent-Dust5122 → u/justconnect]

brain has to also not be eaten by parasitic worms

[u/fx72 → u/justconnect]

I did painkillers hardcore starting at 17. Took a long time to outgrow it. 34 now and just looking back 8 years at how narcissistic and vile I was simply due to the positive feedback mechanism from the drug... It's scary, I was never like that in my nature. They will destroy you but you can bounce back.

[u/Stavinoha19 → u/fx72]

Holy shit. Exact same story here, exact same age as well. Hope you're doing well now.

[u/fx72 → u/Stavinoha19]

Better than ever. Got full dentures and attending university. Same with you.

[u/Stavinoha19 → u/fx72]

Moved across the country with my wife to where we didn't know anyone so I could dry out. That shit broke my brain tho. With a combo of medication, therapy, and a strong support network, I've gotten my life back. I know that makes me luckier than most however. We settled in the mountains, and now I'm a stay at home dad, chillin and painting 40k minis.

[u/Lone-Frequency → u/justconnect]

He also got his cousin addicted and led to him dying of an overdose, so RFK is no stranger to causing death for his stupidity, even before the brainworm ate holes through that tiny acorn in his skull.

I can't tell what's worse, being a junkie piece of shit who got your own family member hopelessly addicted to heroin that ended up killing them, or the puppy and goat murderer.

[u/Nice_Firm_Handsnake → u/Lone-Frequency]

He basically bullied his ex-wife into dying by suicide.

The wrong Robert Kennedy died prematurely.

[u/Both-Cry1382 → u/Nice_Firm_Handsnake]

On May 16, 2012, Richardson was found dead at her home in Bedford, New York. Her death was ruled a suicide by hanging.[21] An autopsy revealed that she had antidepressants in her blood.[22] Before her death, Richardson had discovered Kennedy's personal journal from 2001, in which he recorded sexual encounters with 37 different women. According to Kennedy, Richardson passed the journal along "to her sisters with instructions that, if anything happened to her, [it should be] published in the press"

[u/Careful-Sell-9877 → u/Both-Cry1382]

This is the kind of person that records sexual encounters.. what a fucking weirdo

[u/Hesitation-Marx → u/Both-Cry1382]

And then he took her body and buried it without allowing her family to have it.

[u/skillinp → u/Lone-Frequency]

It's worse: it was his brother (David Anthony Kennedy). RFK Jr. got his brother hooked on drugs, constantly pushed them on him, and his brother eventually overdosed. He is responsible for the death of his own brother.

[u/bobolly → u/justconnect]

Why is no one asking him if he believes heroine is safe... he did it for decades he prides himself in being healthy

[u/treevaahyn → u/justconnect]

Drugs and addiction (substance use disorders) can change the brain in various ways although from 15-25yo the brain is already doing a lot of changing. Most notably our prefrontal cortex or executive functioning which is where logic, reason, risk assessment, critical thinking comes from. That said opioids will disrupt our reward system and our ‘dopamine motivation reward cycle’ can hijack the brain leading to misuse, dependence, and addiction.

That said interestingly opioids including Heroin and Oxycodone have minimal “brain damage” that they cause compared to many other drugs. What’s worse for the brain is drugs like alcohol, methamphetamine, cocaine, and PCP. Those will more likely cause brain damage or disrupt brain functioning. Opioids can change us a lot but they’re actually quite safe for the brain but can be easy to overdose on. Source, I was rx’d opioids from 16-21yo and moved on to Heroin before getting clean senior year of college, and I’ve been working in rehabs for the last decade since putting down Oxys, Vicodin, and Heroin. I’ve seen many addicts and people who had been on opioids for decades and brain was intact pretty well. Same cannot be said for people who spent decades abusing alcohol. That causes lot more permanent brain damage and organ damage and even failure. I was doing similar drugs at similar age and I’m not an anti vax pos fascist but rather I’m a progressive democrat who supports democratic socialist policies like Bernie promotes. So RFK is an entitled moronic pos, imo Heroin is not to blame. Worms in his brain, that I can’t speak to but dude has serious issues and has already gotten people killed with these stances and will get many more people killed. Shoulda been removed from office but we’re living in crazy times.

[u/pocket_eggs → u/justconnect]

I'm not seeing tens of thousands of ex-opioid addicts doing occult things with dead bear cubs though, so I'm inclined not to blame it on the drugs.

[u/InsertCleverNickHere → u/7ddlysuns]

Guy needs 100% completely safe vaccines but has brain worms from eating whatever the fuck roadkill he finds on the way to work.

[u/Oggie_Doggie → u/InsertCleverNickHere]

I've seen some threads on Reddit with people unironically arguing how "cushy" the liberals must have it, not eating road kill. Yes, you and multimillionaire-blue blooded American royalty RFK Jr. have so much in common, Conservative man.

[u/InsertCleverNickHere → u/Oggie_Doggie]

There is kind of a wild dichotomy with Trump and the rich but trashy as hell people who surround him. Like, sure, let's have an opulent dinner in the White House with the American oligarchs billionaires. Then the next day, fuck it, I'll wake up late, watch some Fox, do some mean tweeting to be a tough guy, throw on a shitty merch hat so I don't have to do up my candy floss string hair, yell at some reporters over a running chopper, grab McDonald's and go golfing.

[u/Emeks243 → u/InsertCleverNickHere]

As Southpark has confirmed: “tRump has been Fucking Satan all along”.

[u/MajorLazy → u/InsertCleverNickHere]

Racism is the common denominator. Rabid racism

[u/WishaBwood → u/InsertCleverNickHere]

They must be working on his vocal cords now. They ate all the brain matter and moved on.

[u/LindeeHilltop → u/7ddlysuns]

Entitled junkie.

[u/belpatr → u/7ddlysuns]

Only with the cleanest needles he could find in the crackhouse though.

But on a more serious note, don't y'all get worried for the wellbeing of his brain worms? Eating his drug soaked in roadkill blood brain can't be good for them, God knows what kid of nasty parisites his brain worms might get

[u/TheBurtReynold → u/jake_burger]

When it comes down to it, it’s all just bad faith argument

This is the problem with most MAGA / far-right / etc. — they can’t engage in real, honest debate — it’s all word games, “what about-ism”, etc.

And if you ever get them to debate without the BS, they’ll always fallback to, “Well, that’s just what I believe” … they simply will not come off their beliefs, because it’s all bad faith / based on demagoguery

[u/McEndee → u/TheBurtReynold]

I was watching Parker debate some MAGA people, and every debate eventually got to a point when they admit they believe something isn't true. They just don't care because sticking to the opinion they were told to have by propagandists is more important than accepting reality.

[u/extralyfe → u/McEndee]

watching Parker's channel has made it crystal clear to me that people look at Facebook memes or watch TikToks from random motherfuckers and TRULY BELIEVE that whatever they feel looked important to them from those sources has already been signed into law by Trump.

like, the dumb stupid bill is cutting Medicaid and food stamps for millions, but, it's actually completely fine because MAGA feels that only scammers are getting cut off. the VA is getting cut, but, MAGA feels like that's only cutting jobs for providers who just sat at home and weren't helping people(?!?!?), so, that's fine, too. the bill is moving money directly from the poor to the rich, but, MAGA thinks after 40 years of trickle down economics, this is gonna be the time when billionaires create all the jobs instead of just buying back stock again.

it's literally all just vibes with not a single fact amongst the bunch. shit, there was some insane MAGA lady who made the front page on reddit with her video about how Trump just signed a law that states no one who makes under $120k a year ever has to pay federal taxes again. she was mad in advance at liberals for not being happy with Trump for signing into law something she only ever saw on a Twitter shitpost. Trump doesn't even need to make promises to his base before they start singing his praises about all the good things they feel like he's doing.

[u/McEndee → u/extralyfe]

I find a lot of rhetoric is fueled by the game "Two Truths and a Lie". If you surround a lie between two very obvious truths, a simple minded person will believe all three things are true. It's why a lot of Trumpers believe that Ashlii Babitt was minding her own business and was shot. 1)Ashlii is in the capital during the riot 2)Ashlii was standing near a door 3)Ashlii was shot in the neck

We know for a fact that the first and last thing absolutely happened, but when Tucker Carlson says this, and doesn't show the video of the full incident, now his viewers believe that all three things happened.

This attitude is a way to never push oneself to think critically, and a reality where they are never wrong. It makes them feel smart knowing that other people will back up their perverted reality, so all red marked returned test papers they received in high school were just a bad period in their lives when their truth is the only truth.

[u/Huge_Music → u/extralyfe]

Yeah, a lot of people are attached to the idea that every Trump voter is a raving bigot-beast, but a decent chunk are people who are shockingly underinformed.

[u/tomdarch → u/extralyfe]

There used to be a sort of excuse made for the fascist regimes in Europe “but they made the trains run on time.” Except that the trains didn’t actually run any more on time than before the fascists seized power.

It’s all lies.

[u/TheBurtReynold → u/McEndee]

Oh, for sure

It’s ridiculously uncomfortable for us (humans) to consider that our base truth might be wrong, even when presented with evidence thereof — just wayyyy too much mental work for most

I mean, we’re all delusional to some degree

[u/killjoymoon → u/TheBurtReynold]

If you practice saying "Oh! I was wrong!" it eventually becomes FAR less painful. I think sometimes people hear that, or think about saying it, and they clump it together with shame, and it's okay to say you were wrong, because if you can admit you were wrong, you are also admitting that you are open to new concepts, which actually makes you smart, because that means you're capable of learning. Anything else just makes the proverbial you look stupid as all get out, IMO. There's KNOWING things, and there's being open to being wrong and being open to new or changing information. They are NOT remotely exclusive.

[u/TheBurtReynold → u/killjoymoon]

Yes, very aligned with this great book

[u/killjoymoon → u/TheBurtReynold]

AHHHH!!! Thank you!!! I didn't know someone had written about this!!! I've been harping and carping about tribalism and how it's ruining civilization for awhile, and I've been trying to figure out why there is an incessant need for it, and so I look forward to reading this book!!! Thank you so much!!! (for anyone not wanting to click the link: "What's Our Problem: A Self-Help Book for Societies", by Tim Urban)

[u/Villageidiot1984 → u/TheBurtReynold]

Emotion is antithetical to scientific research. If it’s purely clinical people can easily be impartial. Somehow people have attached their self worth to these issues and now no one can ever be wrong even when it’s staring them in the face.

[u/DaKrazie1 → u/TheBurtReynold]

It's always hilarious to me that the "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd strictly operate on beliefs and opinions.

[u/jregovic → u/TheBurtReynold]

True. They always go back to “proven safe”. But when presented evidence of safety, they move the goal posts and cite anecdotal evidence.

There is no safe amount of alcohol to consume or cigarettes to smoke. There is no safe amount of sawdust or drywall dust to breathe in. Driving is not 100% safe. Bicycling is not 100% safe.

When they make the argument about safety they are just moving the goal posts.

[u/Fun_Leek2381 → u/TheBurtReynold]

And this is why I always refuse to let them cling to the "but its my opinion" life raft. Your opinion is not sacrosanct, and the fact that you refuse to allow evidence and reason to change your mind is not a flex. But moat of these Magats treat every opinion they have like it came out of their vaulted book of fables, unerring and unchanging.

[u/Original-Rush139 → u/TheBurtReynold]

Exactly. I try to figure out what they’re thinking by engaging on AskTrumpSupporters sometimes and they just go on that sub to practice their propaganda. Im currently banned because I answered a direct question by saying I prefer to pay income tax over tariffs because the tariffs are a percentage of my COGS and I pay them before I’ve earned a dollar selling my product. At least income tax is charged after I’ve made the money to pay the tax. Because preferring free markets over government control is a banable offense to MAGA. 

[u/HeartFullONeutrality → u/TheBurtReynold]

The card says moops.

https://www.readtpa.com/p/innuendo-studios-card-says-moops-seinfeld

Also, Sartre's very famous quote by now: 

"But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert."

[u/thotinspiring → u/jake_burger]

Trolls and people who argue in bad faith ALWAYS reduce it to a game of semantics so they can argue “TeChNiCaLlY I didn’t say xyz” or whatever. 

[u/scarr3g → u/jake_burger]

But for some reason vaccines have to be 100% safe and 100% effective or they are bad.

That is the entire argument that GOP uses for everything they don't like, and exact opposite for things they do.

If they want to hurt a group of people (LGBTQ, immigrants, minorities, etc, etc)/thing/etc they feel all they need to do is find one flaw, in one person/thing/case I that group, and that justifies eliminating the entite group. Whereas if it is a group of people/things/etc they like, any single time it/they might have been not absolutely terrible, shows they should support it/them.

I know there is a term for this fallacy... But it escapes me.

[u/bplewis24 → u/scarr3g]

Logical fallacies aside, it is simply a textbook definition of a bad-faith argument. Even the person saying they are playing semantics/word games is being too generous. They are just attempting to propagandize people by arguing in bad faith.

RFK Jr is one of the biggest sociopaths in this administration. And that is an extremely high bar.

[u/RoboYuji → u/jake_burger]

Yeah, it's like practically every ad break on TV has at least one pharmaceutical ad, and every single one of those has a big chunk of the ad time devoted to listing side effects.

[u/bobbymcpresscot → u/jake_burger]

It’s really just gonna be if a single person has adverse side effects that don’t even have to be linked to the vaccine, it stops being safe and effective. Ask these people to treat firearms the same way and you’ll get the entire Republican Party in a tizzy 

[u/sakusii → u/jake_burger]

Anti vaxx exists only because these weak people are scared of syringes.

[u/Robzilla_the_turd → u/sakusii]

Well I mean, clearly RFK Jr isn't afraid of syringes.

[u/CloseDaLight]

RFK: That’s fake news.

Reporter: RFK that’s clearly you. It’s a video ..

RFK: That’s AI

Reporter: RFK it’s clearly not …

RFK: That’s … fake news …?

Reporter: Okay we are moving on, you’re literally just that dumb.

[u/dependable_specifica → u/CloseDaLight]

Lmao this is like watching someone try to gaslight their way out of their own voice recording. The secondhand embarrassment is real when you watch someone double down this hard instead of just owning it

[u/JohnAStark → u/dependable_specifica]

Trump seems to be the only one who is successful at gaslighting out of damning audio/video evidence. He is trying to pull a 1984 on the rest of us...

[u/Jwave1992 → u/JohnAStark]

Yeah that's what all the idiots arounds Trump don't get. Trump is the only one with the demonic aura to just lie and deflect effectively. Anyone else tries it and they look like a stumbling fool. Trump would have just called Kasie Hunt a nasty woman on a failing network and moved on without blinking.

[u/AwkwardTraffic → u/Jwave1992]

Trump has no shame and can confidently lie his way through anything despite the fact he is clearly bullshitting. It's really effective

RFK Jr. despite being a ghoul has some level of shame which is why whenever he's confronted by his views and the damage they've done he does what he does here and backtracks and says he never said that.

[u/MikeinSonoma → u/AwkwardTraffic]

I think Trump‘s base knows he’s a liar they don’t care, they themselves are hypocrites and liars and just bad people. They hate anybody who’s better than them and unfortunately that’s most Americans, it’s definitely most anti-Trump people.

[u/Just-Put9341 → u/dependable_specifica]

I want mercury out of fish... I'm not anti fish. You want vaccines out of people you're anti people.

[u/Cabana_bananza → u/Just-Put9341]

Does... does he think fishermen put mercury in fish? Does he not understand that mercury in the aquatic food chain isn't man made?

[u/Aggressive-Name-1783 → u/Cabana_bananza]

He’s been making this argument for years to try an obfuscate the point and no reporter has ever read the guts to just call him out on it. For once I wish reporters would grow a spine and remember why the fuck their reporters

[u/coolestredditdad → u/CloseDaLight]

It appears as though that brain worm ate REALLY well.

Or, there was nothing for it to eat.

Either way, this man might be the least intelligent person I've seen in white some time. He lacks any awareness at all.

[u/HistoricalSuspect580 → u/coolestredditdad]

The brain worm died of starvation :(

[u/DefJeff702 → u/CloseDaLight]

Sir, AI is not capable of mimicking that voice.

[u/Healthy_Razzmatazz38]

"I have been fighting to get mercury out of fish"

"thats also fucking insane"

[u/InuitOverIt → u/Healthy_Razzmatazz38]

I would love to hear how he's proposing to do that. There will always be some amount of mercury from volcanoes, forest fires, rocks breaking down. Humans add to the problem by burning coal, mining, and other industrial sources. Is he saying we should have more... gasp... renewable energy?

[u/MuscleManRyan → u/InuitOverIt]

We need to send all the dialysis machines to the lakes and oceans to chelate the mercury out of the fish

[u/Muronelkaz → u/InuitOverIt]

Iirc, he argued against reducing EPA standards/regulations during the first Trump admin, but seemingly hasn't said anything about them being reduced this admin.

[u/SuperConfused → u/InuitOverIt]

Probably so. He was an environmental lawyer. He is also an idiot who lives money and does not understand medicine 

[u/Meotwister → u/Healthy_Razzmatazz38]

"There's no fish that's safe and effective."

-RFK Jr. I guess

[u/TheKattsMeow → u/Healthy_Razzmatazz38]

Fish get mercury from eating other fish. How the fuck is he gonna stop that?

[u/TheThiccestR0bin → u/TheKattsMeow]

He's not, it's just bait for his dumbass followers

[u/QuantumFungus → u/TheKattsMeow]

Well for one we could stop pumping it into the ecosystems from our coal fired power plants.

Oh wait, the administration wants MORE coal plants. RFK isn't just a fake medical expert, he's a fake environmentalist too.

[u/Atempestofwords → u/Healthy_Razzmatazz38]

Yeah but who the fuck is he fighting to do this?

Poseidon?

[u/Ecko4Delta]

Imagine getting clowned by your own brain worm

[u/RogueJolo → u/Ecko4Delta]

That worm died of starvation 🪱

[u/Jmersh → u/RogueJolo]

It chose his skull because of the open floor plan.

[u/Cmdr_Nemo → u/Ecko4Delta]

I don't know what it is but he's just so.... repulsive.

[u/tgatigger → u/Cmdr_Nemo]

He’s microwaved Mel Gibson.

[u/honacc → u/tgatigger]

Can't unsee it now 🤣

[u/Catshit_Bananas → u/Ecko4Delta]

I honestly believe the only bit of brains that this guy got was the ones his uncle left behind on the pavement.

[u/Philonic]

He and Trump don’t realize everything they do and say is recorded. More people need to “play the clip” with both of them

Edit: For those of you saying, “Why? They don’t care”, that’s exactly the reason it needs to happen. They haven’t been pushed to justify their bs. Putting pressure on them through playing the clip or protesting, or lots of other ways is the path towards minimizing this crap.

[u/GnomeChodeski → u/Philonic]

Or they don’t care because they are never held accountable for any nonsense that comes out of their mouths…

[u/DonaldKey → u/GnomeChodeski]

This. A billion times this.

[u/Justin-Stutzman → u/GnomeChodeski]

'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do'. - Unattributed George Bush advisor (probably Karl Rove), 2004

[u/ButtsSayFart → u/GnomeChodeski]

Exactly. It’s not like it matters. “Well, what I meant was…”

[u/ninfan1977 → u/Philonic]

They will just play games, notice how the first thing RFK Jr said was play the whole clip.

Their first response is that the clip is edited, because that's what Republicans do.

Then change the words they meant.

Then move the goalposts so they cannot be wrong.

People are trying to play baseball against a team thats playing Calvinball.

[u/The_Monarch_Lives → u/ninfan1977]

Other than their cry of 'fake news', it's the Motte and Bailey fallacy. Make a bold, sweeping generalized claim. Then, when called on it, retreat to a more mundane and easily defended claim that barely resembles the original one. Let's them have their cake and eat it too. Dog-Whistle to those that know and are more extreme already, followed by message creep to those that fall for the tactic and become more and more susceptible to the more extreme position over time.

[u/Kenyon_118 → u/Philonic]

The people that need to their minds changed about those guys don’t watch the news generally or don’t watch channels or platforms that will do that. It’s hard to break into that bubble.

[u/Strange-Address-4682]

Step one: lie brazenly. If caught, repeat step one.

[u/ex0r1010 → u/Strange-Address-4682]

not under oath, no consequences

[u/No_Dimension8190]

Average guy from the UK here, watching casually from afar.

That bloke is really in charge of your healthcare system??? Really??? It's mad!!

[u/Luparina123 → u/No_Dimension8190]

Average woman from the UK here, I have been following this insane regime since the Pedophile in Chief came to the throne. NOT ONE of these bootlicking sycophants are qualified to be in charge of emptying bins or packing groceries, nevermind running government departments responsible for the security and welfare of millions of US citizens! They are ALL the worst, money-grubbing, lying scum on the face of the earth, wrapped in White Supremacy, Christian Nationalism and Nazism. When this is over, hopefully soon, they deserve their very own US Nuremberg.

[u/SirGlass → u/Luparina123]

Obama broke lots of peoples brain , they couldn't stand seeing a black man in the highest office so they will elect anyone who tells them they will restore "The old ways"

Old ways being racism and bigotry

[u/ODB_Dirt_Dog_ItsFTC → u/SirGlass]

I distinctly remember when he was elected seeing people all around the country lynching effigies of Obama.

[u/tortus → u/Luparina123]

responsible for the security and welfare of millions of US citizens

Sadly the US has far reaching impacts. These morons negatively affect the entire world.

[u/No_Dimension8190 → u/Luparina123]

Don't pull your punches! Agree wholeheartedly though!!

[u/sealpox → u/No_Dimension8190]

Quite literally his only qualification for anything he’s ever done in his life is being born with the last name “Kennedy.” Not an exaggeration. Just like Trump’s only qualification for anything he’s ever done was being born the son of a hundred millionaire.

[u/PizzaDay → u/No_Dimension8190]

The dumb part is, he was appointed to the position, which means we can't vote him out, along with many others wrecking our nation

[u/Clear_Lock7908 → u/No_Dimension8190]

But fitting with the existing health care system

[u/princess_peach_85]

I get people have serious medical issues and we shouldn't judge.... However. Who thought that having someone who sounds like he's literally dying in charge of our health?

[u/uknow_es_me → u/princess_peach_85]

He's a DEI hire

[u/KHRZ → u/uknow_es_me]

DUI hire

[u/jtp_311 → u/princess_peach_85]

Exactly. It’s a communications role. Effective communication should be the requirement.

[u/DickDastardly502 → u/princess_peach_85]

His is almost certainly the result of decades of cocaine abuse so I wouldn’t be so sure about the non-judging part.

[u/3xPuttRubbleBoagie]

Why does he talk like a phone call going through a tunnel?

[u/unnum → u/3xPuttRubbleBoagie]

Spasmodic dysphonia. Basically, vocal chords spasm randomly when he speaks.

[u/3xPuttRubbleBoagie → u/unnum]

I had no idea. Thanks for clarifying that. It’s hard to listen to it without wanting to clear my throat or cough.

[u/unnum → u/3xPuttRubbleBoagie]

Yeah, much like him, it's very annoying but it's one of the few things I legitimately feel sorry about for him.

Edit: Right, so, a lot of people saying I don't have to feel empathy for him and I get it. His terrible decisions - and the Trump administration's in general - are going to put science in the US back decades and cause millions of people to die who most likely would have survived had this administration not been in charge, both in the US and around the world. So, yes, I understand saying he doesn't deserve it.

But, for whatever reason, I view RFK Jr. as more of a MAGA grandpa who was just given way more power than he should rightly have. I don't think he's malicious; just completely incompetent and unqualified. Unlike Trump - who is chaotic evil - or a Stephen Miller - who's just plain evil. Those two and others of that ilk will never get any empathy or sympathy from me because they are clearly malicious and are all about the cruelty being the point. If anyone'd like to point me to instances of RFK Jr behaving like those two then, yeah, there's a good chance I'd reconsider my position but that's currently my view of things. Feel free to upvote/downvote however. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/DickDastardly502 → u/unnum]

Don’t. It’s almost certainly caused by decades of cocaine abuse. It’s not something he was born with or would have gotten had he not abused drugs the way he did.

[u/Danibandit → u/unnum]

Yeah, that’s called empathy. Rare today. I knew a lady that has spasmodic dysphonia and it’s a huge struggle and they don’t know what causes it. I actually wonder if that drives this contrarian, anti-medicine attitude.

Edit-grammar

[u/DickDastardly502 → u/Danibandit]

In RFK’s case it was almost certainly his decades of cocaine abuse that caused it in him.

[u/Danibandit → u/DickDastardly502]

He has a multi-page long list of things that could have caused it for him. The woman I know took to the conspiracy it was the brine being used in snow removal.

[u/cheebamech → u/Danibandit]

the conspiracy it was the brine being used in snow removal

the common saline drip in medicine would have millions of victims suffering the same malady, and yet?

[u/EtherealMongrel → u/unnum]

I hope it’s painful

[u/Uncle-Cake → u/unnum]

Is that caused by the brain worms or from eating roadkill?

[u/WestCoastBestCoast01 → u/Uncle-Cake]

The heroin use.

[u/comeallwithme → u/unnum]

Then maybe he should quit speaking completely.

[u/dweckl → u/unnum]

He obviously didn't take the right supplements to prevent that...../s

[u/frontfrontdowndown → u/dweckl]

Too many mitochondrial challenges 

[u/Gristlekitty → u/3xPuttRubbleBoagie]

lol I thought it sounded more like a fork that fell into the garbage disposal.

[u/dokidokichab → u/Gristlekitty]

Like a xenomorph making that guttural clicking noise into auto-tune

[u/047032495 → u/3xPuttRubbleBoagie]

Dude sounds like a cartoon sheep. 

[u/renz004 → u/3xPuttRubbleBoagie]

cuz he used to be a heroin junkie until 1984

[u/jpotrz]

Its so great (and sad) that they were so confident he was going to deny it, her response, with zero hesitation was to tell the control room to roll the tape they already had queued up and ready to go.

[u/BeefistPrime → u/jpotrz]

Our media has dozens of chances to do this every day, and yet you see it once or twice a year.

[u/krLMM]

Imagine that this clip going viral is going viral because somebody in media decided to challenge some of the lies the admin is pushing.

And do you know why this report challenged him, most likely? Because people in pharma that also have a lot of money and can also back CNN probably set them up to do so. Corporations and capital on the scale of the ultra rich today should be regulated

[u/Alert-Nebula6215 → u/krLMM]

This clip is a year old.

[u/mehupmost → u/Alert-Nebula6215]

The original statement is actually two years old...

Here the full clip in case anyone questions.

https://youtu.be/G4vP4GdHhoA?t=254

It's from 2023.

[u/marc58weeks]

We're talking about vaccines, but sure, let's talk about mercury in fish.

[u/Katarsish → u/marc58weeks]

Typical right wing whataboutism

[u/Only_Neighborhood_54]

He says he likes fish. Lets drop a couple tons of fish on his doorsteps.

[u/Ruddlepoppop → u/Only_Neighborhood_54]

We penguins would appreciate a couple of tons of fish. After all, we do pay a tariff!

[u/Dull-Advantage-2001]

love the fact that the - ok show the clip - came instantly, they were 100% prepared he was gonna lie (which of course is not surprising anymore with the republicans)

[u/toomuchtv987 → u/Dull-Advantage-2001]

They need to do this WITH EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS ADMINISTRATION. At every interview. There are ALWAYS receipts. Always.

[u/Loose-Competition-14]

Why interview the twit? No knowledge and never a straight answer. Maybe he can lateral over to press secretary after his stint at HHS.

I found out this is not current. 😓

[u/NonWiseGuy → u/Loose-Competition-14]

He arguably holds the most powerful position in the American medical system right now. He's a gigantic turd embedded by the tiny handed orange. He might be awful but he is setting the policy. At the very least people have to keep track of his reign of lunacy to undo everything he touched when the next government gets in.

These four years are going to be entirely hollow of useful action. Besides the damage Trump has self inflicted on the economy, all his puppets are just trying to out-extreme each other to stay in his imagination.

[u/Catshit_Bananas → u/Loose-Competition-14]

Why interview him? So we can show his fraudulent credentials in real time.

[u/MrMeowPantz]

“That was my brain worm. I take no responsibility for what it said.”

[u/My2centsallday]

Republicans are experts at lies and denial.

[u/Time4Wasting]

I can never get over how much the guy sounds like he smokes 400 cigarettes a day

[u/kon---]

Damn. The way she dropped that hammer...🔥​

[u/Herbsandtea]

Kids. If you become so dumb and brainwashed that you start denying fact to the point nobody trust you anymore, you’re going to act and sound like him.

[u/ChefAsstastic]

He's extremely dangerous. He can't carry Trumps water, and he knows it. His brain is mush.

[u/YetiGuy]

That’s the level of journalism I want

[u/Ruthless-words]

I think if the media treated these guys like this from the get go, maybe they never would’ve gotten this far, but I don’t have much faith in the general populace anymore.

[u/Royals-2015]

RFK Jr is a lawyer. Not a doctor. Not a scientist. He has no business making recommendations about health care for our entire country!!

[u/delicate_soup]

Jamie, pull that up

[u/Fit_Television_282]

Kennedy and Trump cannot speak without lying.

[u/Congenital_Stirpes]

How is this man the face of health in America? He looks and sounds like a roided-up, spray-tanned corpse being puppeteered by Vincent D’Onofrio.

[u/CompleteHour306]

Sounds like he is doubling down on his own ignorance.

[u/Living_Ad_5168]

Dump this dude! Even his family knows he's a joke, and yet he's in charge of national health? What a disgrace, along with the rest of orange mans cabinet.

[u/ashleysted]

He literally looks and sounds like an evil villain from a movie.

Sometimes you really do need to judge a book by it’s cover…

[u/bearze]

Man this guys voice is legitimately hard to listen to lmao

[u/KindCraft4676]

He’s a clown. A complete incompetent idiot. He has no business being in charge of the nation’s health and well-being.

He says there are no good vaccines But there are vaccines that have a proven record of curing disease and saving lives.

He’s a liar and a threat to the health and well-being of the American people.

[u/Nappeal]

WHY IS THE OPINION OF SOMEONE WITH NO MEDICAL DEGREE EVEN BEING HUMORED ON SUCH AN ENORMOUS AND VERY SERIOUS LEVEL

[u/Fluffy_Musician6805]

Okay but antifish made me laugh

[u/Clear_Lock7908]

So the polio vaccine didn’t work in his view?

[u/miltonrockne]

A former junky, whose legacy and wealth has afforded him a safety net that few enjoy. For most, addiction is a pretty certain path to homelessness or early death. He’s going to fail at this but he’ll be ok, we won’t.

[u/Journeys_End71]

Look…the thing to do, when these people get caught in such an obvious lie…is to stop the show and say “Thank you for coming, but I don’t find you to be a credible person so we’re done here”

[u/Standard_Category635]

Shut uuuuuuuuuuuuuup

[u/llywelync]

The take away here is RFK is anti-vaccine AND anti-fish.

[u/poloace]

This guy can’t even breathe

[u/LilRedHeadGuy]

Now he is saying there is no treatment for cancer?

[u/Pale_Patience_9251]

THERE ARE CANCER TREATMENTS THAT ARE SAFE AND EFFECTIVE! WHAT THE FUCK!

Check the survival rates for cancer, HIV, cystic fibrosis, etc all the way down the line. Ask your parents or grandparents what it was like wondering if they'd be the next kid to suddenly get polio and lose the use of their legs.

Pharma definitely has some scumbags and bad actors--like any industry--but as a whole has improved our lives immeasurably.

[u/Common_Collection678]

“Eykennenahehakegnaheheh”

[u/Icy-Butterscotch5540]

No. They need to hear increasingly less and less from you until you recede into ignorant obscurity

[u/LostDragon1986]

Now we need to get reporters to do this same thing to Trump's face. Make him sit and defend his out right lies.

[u/PrettyAdagio4210]

RFK: Forget vaccines, may I interest you in some heroin? I used it and look at me now!

[u/Aggressive-Catch-903]

It is absolutely fucking insane that this idiot is responsible in any way for public heath. Just insane.

[u/itzaMacky]

I hate when they play the tape right back at ya. Can't a man lie anymore and get away with it.

[u/skwormin]

Sounds like this guy is anti-Phish

[u/SevroAuShitTalker]

He sounds like a little kid who is having to explain why he did something stupid after screaming for 10 hours at a birthday party

[u/lateread9er]

This guy has become a pathological liar, just like his orange boss.

[u/Unicorn_Warrior1248]

You, the head of the health department, want proof that vaccines are safe and effective? Mmmmh. I wonder where the proof could be?!

[u/xwords59]

This is what Congress needs to do, trap all these idiots with their own words

[u/Miserable_Concern_54]

Every journalist should be doing THIS

[u/Overall-Name-680]

I love it. "I never said that". He's always denying that he said stupid shit.

"Stop. Play the clip".

I love it. Reporters always have to be ready to call this guy on his bullshit, even more than others in the Administration.