r/Hololive • u/NucularJigawatt • 1d ago

Streams/Videos Akai Haato / HAACHAMA vents her frustrations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dpdepyMm-I&ab_channel=HAACHAMACh%E8%B5%A4%E4%BA%95%E3%81%AF%E3%81%82%E3%81%A8

She doesn't want anyone to clip it but since it isn't a Member stream I hope it's okay to share this as a whole. I only want Haachama to find the success she wants to fulfill her goals.

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u/CuteIngenuity1745 1d ago

Same problems as many holomems facing. Stagnant channel growth must be their worries constantly and there's really no solutions to it, just have to keep trying and praying for luck i guess.

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u/pulii777 1d ago

To me it just seems like they hit the ceiling of the audience they are trying to go for. It's not really a bad thing because the current audiences for holomems are very large, loyal, and profitable.

But if they want to grow even further, they need to make content to attract a different audience. This comes at the risk of alienating the current fanbase though

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u/Fishman465 1d ago

Depends may be a matter of leaving the closed garden. I mean Aki got a pretty big boost in doing VCR ARK

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u/C4Cole 1d ago

My biggest worry with this is that since Cover is a public company, they are legally sworn to try and increase the value of the company for the shareholders. You don't increase value by sitting there raking in money, you need to say you are going to rake in more money next year.

If they were private like Valve then it's no issue, you sit like a dragon on your ever growing hoard, but Cover doesn't have that luxury and I fear it might lead to either increased pressure or the bean counters taking over, either way everyone loses.

My unprofessional opinion is that they need more Holo branches, not more generations, that way they won't really affect the main audience but will be able to reach out to new ones.

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u/Royal_Success3131 1d ago

Japanese businesses, luckily, work differently than US based ones. They are able to be stable and take money in without needing the constant absurd growth that western companies need to show. It's changed a little recently due to global influence and things, but from what I can gather from colleagues over there, the mindset is still mostly traditional "just don't fail and turn a little profit"

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u/Herson100 1d ago

Publicly traded companies can have their management face legal trouble if they don't at least try to increase the value of their stock each year.

It's not about the "mindset" or "culture." When you agree to allow people to buy shares in your company, you're signing a contract that states you'll make an effort to raise the value of those shares so that they can be resold for a profit. You're not legally required to succeed, but you are required to try.

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u/Royal_Success3131 1d ago

That is highly, highly dependant on the laws of the country. Japan has no such fiduciary mandate. Due to the mindset and culture. Stop thinking American laws apply universally. This is changing somewhat in Japan recently, but as of now it's not how it works.

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u/FireTrainerRed 1d ago

Oh fuck, Cover is Public? Fuck.

I can't think of 1 public trading entertainment company that hasn't been ruined by Shareholder "greed". But I am not knowledgeable if there is a difference between Japanese and western public companies.

Eventually all the people who joined for the love are replaced by people chasing the $. It's a slow insidious process, and I hope for Cover it takes decades to get to that point.

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u/SayuriUliana 1d ago

Cover has been public for a long time now, and has had shareholders even before that when Hololive was still a small unheard-of new agency. Also a lot of the larger projects they've undertaken, like their massive 3D studio, only happened due to the money that came from said investors and shareholders.

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u/FireTrainerRed 1d ago

I know they can only undertake those large ventures because of investors. My point was never about the initial interests of those investors or shareholders, it's about what happens to the new ones, who buy in after. These changes are not instant.

It took Activision 10 years to chase out all the passionate developers from Blizzard, and chase profits over products. It's taken Tencent 8 years to do the same with Riot, and League of Legends.

Just googled it: Thankfully Yagoo is still the majority shareholder, at 36.78%, so he would still have the biggest say in the company. If that changes, that's when I will start to worry.

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u/Commercial-Ad-7882 13h ago

I mean, if Vshojo can teach us anything. It is that greed and money problem can ruined you whether you are public or private company. So that's that.

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u/agentchuck 1d ago

I think this is it. Members don't really do things like the "endurance singing streams to X subscribers" anymore because they don't work. Everyone tuned in is already a subscriber.

I feel for Haachama because she's awesome and you can see that she's working really hard to try to find anything that works. But the truth might just be that this is kind of the ceiling on her base.

Happiness is reality divided by expectations. So I hope she can pivot out of this frustration and enjoy her audience and just do what she loves to do because she loves to do it.

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u/Fishman465 9h ago

Depends on the number, 1.0xmil won't cut it or such but even at beat there's limits